i'm trying to make a living. i went to my knees. i couldn't do it. i couldn't -- i could not do another 15 days. >> it would be great for all of us but unfortunately, we can't right now. we really have to get this virus under control. >> i have employees that are like, i'm not going to be able to eat if it's four or five weeks. i had to make the decision that i'm going to open my business. unemployment hasn't kicked in. all the loans they told us to apply for, the sba loan never

came through. >> i'm worried if we don't do this right that we risk having a second, third, fourth curve that ends upcoming our way similar to what happened in the spanish flu. >> we were told to put all the people on unemployment. that's a joke. half my people can't get paid from the state. it's not working. >> that was just a glimpse at the workers on the front line of both the economic and medical fight that is facing this country right now. welcome to friday. it's meet the press daily. i'm chuck todd continuing msnbc coverage of the coronavirus pandemic which has sent this economy into a tail spin, the likes of which we haven't seen science the great depression. it's caused a historic spike in layoffs pushing the unemployment rate near 15%. we know from more data that the actual unemployment rate is likely much higher. perhaps over 20%. u.s. lost more than 20 million

job in the month of april making it the worst job report on record. they started keeping the records in the 1940s. the president vowed all those jobs will come back soon but is unrealistically optimistic as he's been during this crisis, even he acknowledged that we won't see a real rebound for months, at the earliest. as economic conditions collapse, the public health conditions are just not there for this country to confidently reopen in this economy. new cases across the country continue at an alarmingly high rate averaging around 30,000 a day. we're plateauing. we're not bending the curve downward. thousands of death are still being reported every day. gaps in kwhowhite house own workplace safety guards are ver. the vice president press secretary confirmed that she has tested positive for the virus. it prompted the white house to add a number of new measures

including requiring staff close to the president to wear face covering. katie miller is the wife of stephen miller who is in frequent contact with the president. comes after yesterday the white house confirmed one of the president's personal valets contracted the virus which highlights the importance of workplace testing and testing every one in this country lags significantly behind what experts say is needed to safely reopen. for the big question facing this country, what does this economic calamity lead to. does it force the country to reopen sooner in spite of public health risks or address the public health risks that could mean reopening later making this economic situation worse in the moment. today, the president made it quite clear where he stands on those questions. >> people want to come back. i think everybody in this room realizes you have to come back oruny.

you'll never be able to build it again. the people want to come back. you see what's going on at state houses all over the country. they want to come back. i think some people don't want it come come back for political reasons, which is sick. the people, the real people, the people that want this country to be great and great again, we can say, they want to get back. >> not sure who is rooting for this economy. i don't think anybody in their right mind believes that. that's odd to politicize in this moment but we have all the angles in the story covers.

peter baker, i feel like we're all asking the wrong question here which is do we open, do we not open. i'm going to be get to that. let's get to the president here. metaphorically he's desperately trying to run away from the virus, turn the page, focus on the economy and in some evil movie script the virus is going no you don't. i'm coming inside your house. it really is a reminder you can't escape the virus. >> to have these two test results in the last 48 hours as the president is telling the rest of the country to start reopening brings home in a vivid way how complicated this is and how challenging this is. if the most secure and protected workplace in the country can still have these virus infections come along like it has, what will happen in the meat packing plants of the

midwest or the skyscrapers of manhattan or the barbershops of georgia. they don't have daily testing. the president now is getting tested every day. the vice president is getting tested every day. the people around them, closest to them will be tested every day. a lot of businesses don't have access to that kind of resource. what are they supposed to do to avoid having happen to them the exact same thing that's happened to the white house in which two of their employees turn out to have the virus and now everybody is wondering about everybody else in that work space. i think that brings home the dilemma for the president and for the country. >> one would assume -- it probably made a very difficult workday for a lot of staffers who are now probably one-half of their head is focused on their job and the other half, what does this mean. dr. give upta, how can we applyt is happening at the white house as a lesson to how we reopen. i think the question isn't

reopen, don't reopen. i think how do we do this in the safest and most confident way we can. >> we can't look to the white house for that. we could look to some state houses. with have seen high profile surrogates walk because these critical policies to allow us to safely reopen but masks a prt of it, messaging on social distancing and restaurants and other workplaces are key. those are the proximal steps. what you also don't see is anybody from the cdc talking about this science that's merging.

right now the cdc is saying ten days for self-quarantine. maybe it's the magic three weeks. we need to hear about the science. we're not get that from the white house and we need to hear more about masks. we're also not getting that from the white house. >> all right. i want to pivot to the economic picture here. douglas, big picture. you use to have to do this at the cbo. what are we staring at with the job's robert and put eport and context for us. >> these numbers are large. i think the right way to think about it is every one expects that during the second quarter national income will decline by about 10%. in the worst year of the great depression it was 12%. we're going to experience a great depression year this

spring. there's a concentrated economic hit with an enormous amount of damage and the damage follows a very familiar pattern. if you're a college educated individual, your chance of being unemployed is way lower than if you have a bit of college or no high school didiploma. we know that. it's a lesson from across the labor market. the people out there, third of them were in restaurants and leisure, hospitality, they are the lower skilled, lower income individuals and they have been hit the hardest. >> jared, it seems as if one of the things we're learning and i say this, i think congress had this idea they threw out there, the ppp, and i think knowing what we know now, how would you redesign the program. how should the rescue look now that we know what this looks like. how would you design the rescue package? >> first of all, i would have some things in there that are

still missing. states depend on sales tax and people going to work. they depend on the public sector that people have to finance. we have yet to have a really substantial measure in one of these plans that gets the states to where they need to be. now, i think there's a lot of talk about the next phase doing that. that's one thing i do. i particularly focus on the health care side of the equation.n medicaid roles is huge right now. we need an economy capable of

bouncing back. while we have done some work on business preservation, it's been so focused on payroll a pekspec that a lot of businesses are just having great difficulty paying their non-labor cost, staying open. i would focus on business prever sags and making sure that people are meeting their medical demands and third, trying to help people stay in their homes with adequate incomes. you got your josh out there going protect payrolls but then you have some on the right side of the aisle saying, no, no, no. that's way too much money. that's too european style. that will tell us what we can do going forward.

>> it's too narrowly focused on payroll. there's lots of businesses that won't qualify and try to go under. they will try to broaden that out a bit. not taxpayer money into things that are going to have to restructure. you'll have to morph the policy into something that does that a bit better. i think you have framed this exactly right and increasingly republicans are talking this way. we know we never fully closed the economy. we know that essential workers went to work and essential businesses provided their services. this is the kind of damage that we got. how can we, in a measured way, open it up more where it's possible to while focusing on getting the public health

mission, the testing and vaccines at a higher level so that can be done more safely. the real issues will not be tossing money at it. think of a parent. you got kids out of school. can you go back to work? you might be afraid to go back to work. some people will make more money on unemployment insurance than going back to work. getting people back to work will be a challenge. >> dr. gupta, we talked a bt the potential that the saliva test is a game changer. how much time would you want to give the medical community, how much time would you want to give the cdc? how much more time do you think medical community would need to ramp up the testing necessary than to start matching the confidence levels that public would need to get out and participate in the economy? how much time you need to ramp up saliva testing? >> that's a complicated

question. it will probably take three months to hit the number that people feel like they need in terms of 500,000 tests a day. who need a follow up test. we're not even talking about that. we need to broaden who gets tested. the saliva test is still if you're symptommatic. i think we need the say we have this in the pipeline. the team, spectrum solutions and subsidiaries can probably produce, at scale, pretty quickly. it's not going to be the scale we need. we need to broaden who we test and safely start reopening up. that means masks and social distancing up front. >> peter baker, does the president have, if a group of

republicans from the senate said look, we know you're anxious to reopen the economy. so are we. we have taesing plan we would love for you to implement. i ask this because i'm going to have lamar alexander on show on sunday. he's one of the few advocating testing, testing, testing. he seems to be almost impatient to wait any longer. >> i think that's right. the president asked about this just today. because these two tests inside the white house he was asked about testing. he said all the testing in the world won't help. if you do less testing, that means you have less chance of testing. katie miller was tested yesterday and she was negative. she was tested this morning and she was positive. hopefully she had less expez

yo -- expose your to people around her work space. she's young and strong and we send her our best wishes. a lot of workplaces wouldn't be able to turn around that fast. if somebody pest tested positive or negative on thursday, they could be walking around the workplace infected for for our five days that would spread it. this is the test with the testing. the president doesn't seem to see it that way. it will be interesting the see whether lamar alexander or somebody like that can convince him otherwise. >> right. a debate that's interesting to see play out through some economists i spoke to. what do you do about restaurants? i say this, steve was saying you can't -- if demand is not there, you can't sort of artificially

create demand. at the same time, they didn't shut down this economy. it isn't their fault this economy shutdown. jared first with you. how would you handle that and what is that decision you make about if your business was viable but it isn't for a while but i could be later, what do do you about that business? jared first you and then to doug. >> i think the way to think about this is whether a business is truly insolvent or just ill liquid meaning they sdroents the cash flow to stay alive. places shs restaurants included if we could snap our fingers and get demand back to where it was before this, they would be as viable as they were before and there's no reason to think they won't be on the other side of this.

u like governor cuomo's plan. i think that's the right way to think about this. you go from red to green through yellow and yellow will depend on a lot of things we heard the doctor talk about in this segment. i actually believe that on the other side of this crisis, there's less insolvency at this point than ill liquidsty. if this lasts too long, ill liquidity becomes insolvency. >> right. >> doug, you look at restaurants and airlines, both are going to have demand problems for quite some time. >> yes. i don't disagree with anything jared said. i think he's really made the right point about the liquidity versus insolvency. here is the thing for the

viewers. the white house situation is a perfect example. all of these restaurants are going to somehow first have to make it safe for their employees to come to work. they're going to have to do des testing. they might have to change the configuration. everybody business in america will have to think about that. how can we safely work many the presence of the virus and thep they will have to convince their customers it's safe to come use this product, our restaurant. that might mean more distance and expenses. many of them won't make it. that's hard part about adjusting in the economy going forward. lots of these industries will sh in -- shrink. the most important thing is to see if we can get the workers a job elsewhere. >> we didn'tsoever the problem but i thought the four of you helped frame it in the challenge that we face. it's enormous. thank you all for starting us off with your expertise and your

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welcome back. one of the defr stating story lines we're continue to follow in this pandemic is how communities of color are being disproportionately battered by the covid-19. hispanic workers have the highest level of unemployment at 18% while black unemployment is at 17%. white unemployment is at just over 14%. as we have been reporting, african-americans and hispanics are experiencing disproportionately high rates of virus cases and deaths. a new study from emory university finds that quote, disproportionately black

counties account for 22% of all u.s. counties but have been home to 52% of coronavirus cases and 58% of deaths from covid-19. that same study finds that 91% of those majority black counties are many states have started to reopen. it's great to talk to you again. it's been an mri. however you want to this inequality. it's staring us in the face. considering what we're looking at economically and from a health result stand point, give us your advice of how do we design or recover looking forward that it eliminates --

>> we have to start looking at what the systemic issue but plaguing in these parts. the task force that stood up. she has a sub committee that i'm co-chairing on equity and vulnerable populations. i think we have to bring that focus to the group. some of the things we must do to make sure the relief in the cares act really speaks to the short term and long term solutions in these areas. i think some has been sent out. we have to be realistic about these people continue to go to work throughout the pandemic. we have to make sure they have some type of leaf and stimulus that keeps this going and sochl the hazards to recorrect that and the disparities fwheewe nee

start cloesing the gaps as well. >> if this was the military, you might be hearing congress talk about a gi bill for those on the front lines. one would wonder should congress be thinking about what is the added benefit to thank you for putting yourself at risk when you're an essential front line worker. one would hope that conversation will be had. let's talk about the health disparity front. how much of this problem, in your mind, is simply limited access to health care on the basics? >> it's definitely limited access to health care. i give an example. howard university set up a testing site in ward 7. 97% black population. the population is about 90 something percent black. in one week we were overwhelmed in the number of appointments

made and about 20% of the people who came in to be tested have tested positive. you have to appreciate that all along they have been watsing to try to get tests. testing site that been very aggressive but the reality is that access isn't there. this is a place with 95% of the population has health insurance. it's not a matter of health insurance but can you get to the right types of people to give you type of care you need. that access is an ongoing issue. >> all right. your day job is university president. i have no doubt you have your own task force you're trying to figure out how you will open howard in the fall. i am trying to solve the riddle of how you're going to bring hundreds of students living in one building, sharing food, all of that. i mean we all see where ever

there's dense communal living, senior facilities, whether that exists, so does the virus. what's your thoughts on what fall will look like on howard's campus. >> we are still interested in face-to-face instruction. i think we have to be creative. i mentioned a few things we'll try to do. we probably will start later in the fall and try to end by thanksgiving. that way you take away one of months in flu season in december. clearly we'll have to do significant amounts of testing. self-isolation and quarantine will be difficult. it's looking at potentially getting shared housing where every one who needs to be isolate and quarantine may go to. maybe one shared resource that we come together as a potential solution for what will be a very difficult problem in terms of how you house students as an example. the third thing i mention is let every one probably-- not every

one needs to be on the class. bring half on tuesday and half on thursday and you live stream that class as well. i think there's some creative solutions we'll try to employ and contact tracing will be part of that. it's not going be simple but that's what universities are for. for think about creative solutions to complex problems. >> i'm curious of another issue that every university has, which is what i would call sort of the additional economy that a university brings to a local community. kit be the entire city, a neighborhood and there's a lot of lost economy, a lot of lost businesses. a lot of, what do you do about those economies and is that something that the federal government needs to figure out how to help these university towns? >> yeah. i think university towns, this discussion has been occurring nationally about supporting states and local municipalities is a necessary one.

i think we need to do that and especially where you look at college towns. most people don't think of washington, d.c. as a college town because of the federal government. our colleges and universities are the second largest employer in this city, potentially. i think you have to look at it. you have to look at how you support it. on my reopen task force we have some local government officials and local business owners on our task force because we recognize that the larger society, ecosystem we're in will play a role and potentially either be hurt or helped by us coming back. >> president doctor, it's good to have you on the program again. you're the first university president i've heard which makes a lot of accidence sensense whi your academic year and break people on but shorten the year maybe expand how much class you have within a week but narrow the amount of time that you're

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they should have been arrested on the spot. they shouldn't have let them go home. they were not supposed to ever have been free like that that long. >> welcome back. that is marcus ahrbery. his father remembered his son as a man with a quote, heart bigger than life. supporters held supporters and jogged in memorial of ahmaud on what would have been his 26th birthday. arbery's family says he was out for a jog when con fronted by two white men in a pupickup tru and shot. georgia are looking into potential suspects including the man who took the video which depicted the video. before we show you the video we

want to warn you it's disturbing. the case received widespread attention after the cell phone video of the shooting surfaced. in the video the two men are seen following arbery as he is running down the street. the men confront him. there's a scuffle. he's shot and killed. gregory mcmichael said in a police report that the pair plooefed they were chasing a burglary suspect. the shooting was in self-defense. his family attorney says he was not armed. >> we have details of why it took so long for an arrest and for the stats to take over it. >> reporter: i believe we saw this in a new phase with the public release of the video. that happened on tuesday.

we saw the gbi step in and take over this investigation. we saw the arrest of the father and son last night. there were ten weeks sor when it happened. during the ten weeks this case was being handled locally. it was being handled by the local police department. there were two prosecutors who recused themselves over potential conflicts of interest. as for that video and who saw it before it was made public, we know one of the prosecutors saw the video because he referenced in his recusal letter and he said he believed the mcmichaels were acting perfectly legal. when the video came out soon after we saw the gbi take over and the arrests, it's a piece of timing that the gpi director spoke about today during a news conference. take a look.

>> sorry, we do not have that sound bite with us. sorry about that. >> reporter: i'll summarize it. what he said was that the fact it went from them taking over the case to conviction or to arrest in 36 hours shows there was sufficient cause to make the arrests. we know as of right now the investigation is not over. they are investigating a number of people, including the person who shot that video. all of this is happening and family is saying this is only step one toward justice. i spoke with ahmaud's father who says this is step one but they are looking for conviction. they are not confidence they will get it. that's why you saw a number of people protesting at the courthouse, around the country and a number of people participating in this virtual run. this i run with ahmuad hashtag running 2.3 miles because that was the day he died, february 23rd. chuck. >> earlier when you and i spoke you said georgia did not have a

hate crimes law and we weren't sure yet whether the feds would come in. >> reporter: we know the fbi is assisting with the investigation. no news on that front. ga feorgia is one of few states that doesn't have a hate crime statute. that's what the attorney said he believes precipitated this and add it as a charge. >> all right. the layest on this. thanks very much. we'll dive into the week in politics, including joe biden's ie k accuser calling for him to drop out of the 2020 race. g for him out of the 2020 race so you only pay for what you need! [squawks] only pay for what you need.

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tara reed is responding on camera to joe biden's denial. she's accused biden op sexual assault and is calling on the former vice president to drop out of the race. >> if he's watching this, what do you want to say to him? >> i want to say, you and i were there. please step forward and be held accountable. you should not be running on character for the president of the united states. >> you want him to withdraw? >> i wish he would. >> reed spoke with meghan kelly who told the daily beast that reed pitched herself to her for the interview. a year ago reed came forward to say biden touched her inappropriately but not sexually when he was a senator. in march, reed said publicly for the first time that biden sexually assaulted her in 1993. biden has consistently denied

the allegations and repeated that denial. biden has been forced to address the issue and connect with voters in a largely virtual fashion. another issue that will be front and center, the politicalization of the justice department which yesterday dropped its case against michael flynn despite pleading guilty to lying to the fbi. this morning the president tweeted yesterday was a big day for justice in the usa. congratulations to general flynn and many others. i do believe there is much more to come. with me now to assess the relevance of both of these stories politically, donna edwards from maryland and lonnie chen. tara reid's interview to megyn kel kelly, as anything she said made you think more or less of joe biden in the last 24 hours? >> no, it hasn't.

i think that joe biden did the responsible thing in coming forward and saying that these allegations weren't true but she should be taken seriously. i think it's her story is come into question an awful lot of inconsistencies but i think it's important she has a venue to tell them. it doesn't change my mind about joe biden, about the person i've known for 30 years. i think that when you stack up the joe biden against the president of the united states, there's no way that biden should step away from hisdeing elected the united states in november. >> let me ask you this. if you look at, it's like the only time his name was mentioned was in association with tara reid. he tried to do some virtual events and things like that.

it's hard for him to breakthrough. how much are you concerned this reid allegation sort of is like him carrying around an extra weight? >> well, i mean i think it's a complicated media environment in any case for joe biden and mainly that is because so much of the focus is obviously, as it should be, on the pandemic and the crisis that american workers and the american people are facing. i think that the former vice president is going to have an opportunity to continue to talk to the press and frankly, i think if you look at the public, public is seeing this race for what it is. a referendum on donald trump and every poll whether it's battleground states or national polls are showing that an increasing number of americans believe that joe biden should be president. >> today a press briefing was

done. the two biggest headlines out of the white house are a second staffer tests positive and the unemployment rate report. he led with ran against the fbi. do you think the president's obsession with mueller and flynn and sort of delegitimate miezing the mueller report is getting in the way of this pandemic response in. >> well, it's something the president is paying a lot of attention to. the whole flynn episode, the reaction of those who believe what the fbi did in this situation was improper. what i would say is for the president, he was always going to run the campaign that he wanted to run. not the campaign that add vievi told him would be the best to run or polling told him. the whole episode with flynn and the fbi just feeds into this notion that the president's always had that it's him against the deep state. it's him against people in

government that would oppose him and his agenda. the point is in the context of the political season, i think don is right. the president's performance on the coronavirus crisis will be the number one factor voters have in mind. the president was never going to hue to a campaign where he was talking about those issues. he was always going to talk about these issues he's more comfortable talking about and the flynn episode fits right into that. >> what would you do if you were cory gardener right now? >> you know, i think gardener and others have made their decision. i think they decided they are going to wrap their arms around the because they need the motivated base the show up and better to have the enthusiasm of those who support the president than not. better the bank on a set of voters who you think will be out there voting than trying to get some middle that may never show up. i think cory gardener, others in the same boat, tom tillis, they

have made their decision they will stick with the president and run with him. >> it does feel like we're going to have a weird campaign. don donna, what's you biggest fear of campaign with no physical interaction? >> my biggest concern is that people who want to vote should be able to vote. we haven't put the kind of resources at the federal level and attention in the states to how that will play out. majority of americans want to vote by mail but the process for voting by mail is very different. people are not educated about it. i think that we have got to get a handle on those mechanics so that people will have an ability to cast a vote that they want. the press has got to be very clear about covering both candidate in as best way possible even in this virtual environment.

>> what's your biggest fear on a campaign with limited or no physical interactions? >> well, i think donna's got a good point about what might happen in terms of voters not being able to show up and cast their an effective way. i think the wisconsin debacle demonstrated some of the challenges there. i think that some of the traditional ways we think about campaign, i don't know if this is a fear so much as it is someone who enjoys that political process, not being able to see the conventions and maybe even the debates having the same impact, how do you evaluate a campaign like that? how do the voters evaluate when the information they're getting, they may not get the whole story. they may not get all the information because they may not see the interaction between the candidates and campaigns. i worry about that incomplete picture voters might have going into november. >> and you did point out something, lanhee, that i've been thinking about too. i can't believe this is going to i appreciate it. happen, but i have a feeling we're not going to see each other at these conventions. >> thanks. as a political junkie, that's >> we'll be right back. severe rheumatoid arthritis.

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welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber, and we have a lot in tonight's show. later, an update on a story we've been covering all week. an unarmed black jogger gunned down in broad daylight. this is back in february.

now developing news on the story. two men arrested for murder in georgia. many say that action long overdue. meanwhile, attorney general barr under fire for alleged political meddling. congressman schiff joins me live. and by the end of the hour, we turn to hope and art. fat joe back on "the beat." we begin right now with coronavirus inside the west wing. a top aide to vice president pence testing positive. >> she is a wonderful young woman, katie. she tested very good for a long period of time, and