she's not there for them and for me to share in it. it's -- it's hard. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thanks for watching. ♪ >> first up on msnbc, inside the white house, new coronavirus cases. at least two people close to the president and vice president. the must developments this morning. >> more than 20 million jobs vanished in april. the most ever on record. wiping out all jobs created since 2010. >> free fall, a staggering loss of jobs in a month. the big question, how quickly might people get back to work? >> where, when, how, almost every state in the country is beginning to reopen. a sweeping view of how it's

unfolding cross america from beaches to bars. >> up in the air, the future of flying in america. we're going to tell you what is at stake for both travelers and the airline industry. >> good morning, everybody. it is saturday, may 9th. good to have a reminder in there. i'm lindsey riser. >> that, indeed. i'm kendis gibson, everybody. let's take a live look at boston this morning. beautiful day. the sun came up around a half hour ago. it's that time of year. it's going to deal with a blast of winter weather later on today. and so will the rest of the northeast. a lot of people -- may weather we're dealing with. 2020 is bringing everything. forecast for locausts is coming up next. >> some parts of the northeast could see about 6 to 8 inches of snow and about 75 million americans could be waking up to

freezing temperatures. just a reminder, it's may 9th. let's start by getting you up to facts across the country. rhode island and nevada lifting some stay-at-home orders while implementing new restrictions avenue of this weekend. nearly every state in the country has eased lockdowns in some ways. >> california governor gavin newsom signed an executive order yesterday ordering all voters in the state to receive a mail-in ballot for the california election. this makes california the first state to alter voting plans for the pandemic. walk-in plans will still be available. >> and new developments today on another case of coronavirus at the white house. katie miller, the press secretary to the vice president, mike pence, tested positive for the virus friday, making her the second administration staffer known to have become infected

this week. she is also steven miller, a close adviser to the president's wife. so it's quite there in the inner circle. we'll have more on that in a minute. >> but first, more on a tyson food plant in iowa. more than 1,000 workers have tested positive for covid-19 or for antibodies. that's around 37% of the plant's workforce. this comes as tyson resumed operations at the plant this week. officials say they've implemented new safeguards. nbc news has not confirmed this reporting yet. >> and this morning, there are 1.2 million confirmed cases of coronavirus across the country. more than 78,000 people have passed away as a result. >> and now to the white house where two people working there have testeded positive. monica alba joins us. what's the reaction there? are there concerns other staffers could be at risk? >> absolutely, guys. this is significant.

back in march, an aide to the vice president tested positive for coronavirus, but what was clear was this person does not have close contact with the president or the vice president. all of that has changed this week as we see two close aides to each man test positive in what is absolutely the first sign of the virus coming closer and closer to the president and vice president. katie miller has tested positive at the white house. this comes as daily testing for the president and vice president and those who spend the most time around them. katie miller had a negative test on thursday, but a positive test on friday and that was as the vice president was traveling to iowa. so they had to remove some staffers who had contact with her from the plane before he could make that trip. so that brings up the issue of contact tracing which we're told the white house has started to do this week and there's other procedures they've implemented like a deeper cleaning.

they've allowed nonessential personnel who may have come in contact with these two aides to decide to self-quarantine on their own, but essential personnel will continue to work and be closely monitored. but the president raised some eyebrows yesterday and some comments about how this virus may, in his words, go away without a vaccine, which we know is months if not longer away. take a listen to what he said. >> i feel about vaccines like i feel about tests. this is going to go away without a vaccine. it's going to go away and we're not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time. >> what evidence have you seen that this is going to go away without a vaccine? >> i just rely on what doctors say. they say it's going to go -- that doesn't mean this year. doesn't mean it's going to be gone, frankly, by the fall or after the fall. but eventually, it's going to go away. the question is will we need a vaccine. at some point, it will probably go away by itself. >> so as we reach more than 1.2 million cases and 78,000 deaths,

i think there's a lot of surprise at the president's comments there that this may just go away on its own. and we should point out katie miller is married to steven miller, one of the president's closest aides and speech writers. he, we are told, tested negative for coronavirus yesterday but will continue to be monitor ed and tested given his close proximity to his wife. >> and we should point out that there are no doctors saying it will just go away, poof, like s osmosis. >> there has been information about shelving the nation's top advice for guidance for opening. >> the cdc had put together some advice on how, in certain countries, in the country in certain businesses they will be able to reopen going forward. but the ap reported a few days

ago that that guidance had entirely been shelved by top white house officials. now we're learning that just days after the ap reported that, the white house has now asked the cdc to resurrect parts of that guidance. and even more significant now, we heard from white house press secretary saying the cdc director had not approved that guidance. what these emails show in terms of what the ap is reporting is that he actually did do that. we should note the ap has reviewed these emails. nbc has not verified them independently, but we have reached out to the white house. kendis and lindsey. >> monica alba there at the white house, thank you so much. appreciate it. new today, businesses large and small are opening their doors for the first time since the start of the pandemic. >> so take a look at all this green, right there. most states are at least partially lifting restrictions and opening up their economies.

corey kaufman joins us from new york city's times square. with this look, trying to see how they're going to look forward for small businesses and business owners, this has been a difficult decision. tell us about it. >> yeah. quite a difficult decision because not only do you have to balance the safety of your employees, your customers and yourself with reopening and all of the rules and restrictions that will be in place there, but you also have to hi about your bottom line here and make a very difficult decision, which one is more important. thousands upon thousands of businesses having to make that decision this morning as more states reopen and list those restrictions. as we mentioned, most states will have most restrictions -- or some restrictions listed. that includes florida, ohio, south carolina, mississippi and oregon where restaurants, bars and personal care services are open, but with restrictions. in arizona, which saw its highly daily covid death toll recently, hail, nail and waxing salons can

get back to work. in iowa, malls and campgrounds are reopening as well as that troubled tyson's meat packing plant that had to shut down to decontaminate. in michigan, low risk work like outdoor work and construction work can resume. same in colorado where telecommuting is encouraged and towns are trying to bring back tourism, like north carolina. we heard from surf city's mayor there. >> our businesses are suffering bad. so this will give them some relief. plus give the people that want to come and vacation a relief, as well. >> as of three days ago when we got the order, everyone is so excited to come back to work because we -- this is our income. this is the way we support our families. >> i feel like let's just see what it is and open it up and let's see if it's going to be okay. if it's going to be okay, we'll

stay open. >> and it certainly hasn't been an easy and smooth transition. georgia has now seen a 40% increase in covid cases. in california, you can go to the dmv, but you can't get to restaurants or shopping malls for weeks, maybe even months at this point. and a handful of states do still remain with stay-at-home orders with no future plans solidified yet to reopen. they'll be looking at that later on this month, including louisiana and, of course, right here in new york where we are and a very chilly and empty times square. >> yeah, corey water a winter coat and earmuffs in may. >> new jersey extendsing their stay at home through mid-june, as well. breaking news now, and new reaction as questions swirl over the origins of covid. there's a new report this

morning that says the world health organization is in talks with china to send a mission there to investigate the source of the virus. >> joining us now live from geneva is tarik yasharivtz, spokesperson for the world health organization. good morning to you. thank you so much for being with us. what would investigators be looking at? would you be working under the premise that this is strictly an animal born virus? >> all evidence we have that points out that this is a disease that the virus has been -- in a bad population and that most likely there was an intermediate species that transmitted the virus from bats to humans. it's extremely important to understand what intermediate animal we are talking about in first that we prevent that it happens again, but also to understand that the virus better. but, again, there are

researchers in china have been done and would be willing to help because understanding the violence and its source is very important from a public health perspective in order to reduce the possibility of future exposures. >> so are you all certain it does not come from a chinese lab? of course, you've had the secretary of state back here in the united states as well as the president who say they have seen evidence that it did can, in fact, start in a chinese lab. who says what? >> well, we would be happy to receive any information that would enlighten us regarding the source of the virus. but, again, all the evidence we have and a number of researchers have looked at the information that's been provided and it points out that it's an animal

source virus. it's very close to sars. that's why the name of the virus is sars-cov-2. but, again, any information that would be welcome to help us understand this issue better. >> and tarik, the world health organization has said recently there's still a long way to go to work through the pandemic. everyone the at home wants to know how much longer will we have to slog through this. what do you think in terms of globally and the united states? >> it's very difficult to predict. we see public health measures taken in a number of countries around the world that work in a way that the number of new infection sess diminishing and we understand that countries want to ease the restrictions. as you have said in your previous reporting, we have to really take a caution so we don't have to go back to the

lockdown. so we issued a guide yansz ance countries to tell them, you need to have these steps, you need to have a public health system and hospital system ready for any surge. you need to be able to test, treat and isolate people who are sick, you need to be able to contain any important new cases. you need to look for a high vulnerability, places like care home school for older people. and this is something that countries really would need to do gradually when they think about easing measures, introducing a physical -- in the workplace and things like that. so we don't know how long this will go for. we know we are at least a year, a year and a half away from a vaccine. there is also a number of trials on different therapeutics to see if any of them can actually work. but i think before we get to the solution, there are therapeutics and vaccines, we have to be

careful that we don't go back to very traumatic experience of lockdown that many countries experienced. >> you know there are a lot of people, at least here in the united states, that are looking at the world health organization with a little bit of a side eye after the activities of the last couple of months. you guys early on were listening to what china was saying, traveling to china and saying, yes, they were being on the up-and-up. we've come to learn that they had more cases than they actually were saying. you guys took a long time to declare this a pandemic when there were tv networks that were declaring it a pandemic because they kept waiting for you guys to do it. do you feel like you were complicit in some of all of this or take responsibility at all for why we may have been a little bit behind this virus and getting ahead of it? >> i think it's very important to understand issues before we make such a claim.

this is the highest level of alert that we have under international health regulations. it is a document that has been agreed by all member states. there is no category of pandemic in that document. so w.h.o. really raised the highest level of alert on january 30th. after that, it was just a question of whether we would characterize the situation as a path to pandemic or not, but we followed the rules and the procedures that could be put in place by member states. we also work with the data that are provided to us by everyone. we know that a number of countries do not report every case. it's not always easy to report every case. some countries have testing policies that definitely do not catch everyone who is infected. other countries have been found in a situation where health

systems have been overwhelmed. so they were not be reporting. and this is new, a new disease. what we were saying about in china was that china did increase the infectious -- infection prevention control measures within their health facilities, that they did introduce very drastic measures in wuhan. china also shared the genetic sequence with the whole world which helps other countries to prepared. right now, it's really important to focus on providing member states, at least from the w.h.o. perspective, to provide all the member states with guidance to work on a solution such as vaccines and therapeutics, but, again, we have to look across the board and see what countries are doing or not doing and how we can all get some lessons from

this. >> agency part of his criticism, president trump has stopped some funding to the world health organization. how damaging is that to you? >> obviously, we regret that decision. we hope this decision will be reconsidered. the united states is the biggest single contributor to the w.h.o. a number of programs may be affected, including vaccine programs, polio, so there are a number of other than covid-19 areas of w.h.o. that may be affected by this. >> all right. thank you for joining us. devastating new unemployment numbers that show just how far the american economy has sunk over the last two months and how quickly it could come back. plus, the latest development in the case against a father and

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new unemployment numbers are staggering. >> losing nearly 8 million jobs. >> the largest economy in the world crippled by the coronavirus. >> i'm basically at my breaking >> i'm basically at my breaking point. worried. nervesus. scared. >> more than 20 million jobs vanished in april, the most ever on record, wiping out all jobs created since 2010. the unemployment rate soaring to 14.7%, the worst since the great depression. a far cry from 3.5% just two months ago. a 50-year low.

>> joining us right now is alexis from yahoo! finance. so these numbers came from a monthly jobs report, but the bureau of labor statistics releases numbers we see all it is time which kind of indicates that some 33 million plus americans have filed unemployment claims so far. which number is more accurate there? >> that is an excellent question. i get that a lot because i think it confuses folks. you're seeing two very different numbers as is the case this month. we have the weekly jobless numbers which sort of give us a weekly play by play, if you will, of what is happening in the job market. that is considered by many economists to be the clearest picture of what is happening in the jobs market. the monthly unemployment report rely owes a survey that asks people questions once a month, so it doesn't capture the full

picture of what's happening in the jobs market. we had an unemployment rate at 14.7% in april. that is only considering the number of people out looking for work. there are a number of people who can't be captured because of the lockdowns. there's another number within the report called the under employed. and if you consider that, kendis, the unemployment rate in this country is closer to 22%. so it is worth it to go below those headline numbers sometimes and see what lies beneath. >> president trump says that he spoke to the apple ceo tim cook. tim cook was saying he predicted a v-shaped rebound in the economy. do you think that's going to happen? >> more and more economists think they're looking at more of a w-shaped recovery or a

u-shaped recovery. the idea that we're going to turn on a switch and the economy is going to pop back up is very unlikely. this economy stopped almost on a dime. as you continue to report, lots of states now coming back online, but not fully back online. we have to consider our health and safety measures. a lot of people are either not going on be able to get back to work right away, but they're going to be afraid to get back to society as we know it. so it's going to be a slow slog. a lot of economists are predicting we're going to have double digit unemployment through the end of the year. some are saying we'll probably end the year at 10% unemployment. and it could take us between two and three years to gain back those jobs we lost in april, which we know in just one month's time we wiped out all of the jobs we added in just the past decade, lindsey. >> wow. in two years, if people don't have jobs, they can't spend money. thank you. and stay with msnbc for much

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the ap is reporting that top white house officials buried a cdc report set to be released last week, outlining reopening guidelines for faith leaders, business owners, educators, state and local officials. now, the white house claimed the director of the cdc had not signed off on the report, but the ap said it viewed emails showing that he signed off on

the guidance and was in communication with the white house about them as early as april 10th. nbc news has not seen those emails and cannot independently verify them. over to europe and to italy where roman catholic chuchs across that country are preparing to reopen later this month over tense negotiations over whether to make churches an essential operation. >> back in the u.s., some new jersey beaches and boardwalks will begin reopening soon, but just to limited activities. mayors of avalon and stone harbor announce their seven-mile shore line will be open to running, biking and fishing with proper social distancing. but people aren't just allowed to sit on the beach or swim in the water. governor phil murphy says he's hopeful all state beaches will be open by memorial day. >> not bad. and in florida, here is look inside the cockpit of a u.s. navy jet over miami. it's a lot of shots of the

cockpit. okay. >> it's a bird's-eye view. >> it is a bird's-eye view. i guess. >> just wait until they make the turns. you'll get a little squeezy. >> if he's holding the wheel, who is holding the camera? >> he's probably a gopro stuck to the camera. >> but the camera is moving. >> the military has coordinated several flyovers and say there are more planned. it's like that superman line, if you're holding me, who is holding you? superman, old movie. switching gears here, new today, there is no bail following the first court appearance for a father and son in georgia. >> they're charged in the murder of ahmaud arbery, the unarmed black man who was killed in february. blain alexander has the latest developments in the case from brunswick, georgia. >> handcuffed and appearing on video from jail, gregory and travis mcmichael were denied

bail in their first court appearance. both father and son charged with felony murder. the mcmichaels were arrested thursday at their george home more than ten weeks after their fatal confrontation with ahmad aubrey. he thought abrery was a burglar suspect pe he says his son fired in self-defense. arbery's family says he was unarmed out on a saturday afternoon jog. >> i think the video released was absolutely essential. >> relief for arbery's family who says this is just the first step. >> what do you ultimately want to see? >> them never come home again. >> the video was released and arrests were made within 36 hours. >> i think this speaks volumes for itself. >> two previous prosecutors

recused themselves over potential conflicts of interest, one writing he believed travis mcmichael acted in self-defense when he shot arbery and that the mcmichaels were legally trying to make a citizens arrest. nbc news has not been able to locate an attorney for the mcmichaels. the video brought protests around the country. as hundreds understooded the county courthouse on what would have been arbery's 26th birthday, many more took to the pavement using the #i run with ahmaud. >> a nod to february 23rd, the day arbery was killed. blain alexander, brunswick, georgia. >> many of those protests were organized by the naacp and joining us right now is rev rent james woodall, the georgia president of the naacp. thank you very much for being

here this morning, especially considering the week that you have had. first, why did it take so long for charges to be filed? >> thank you. and thank you for having me this morning. you know, we look at this case and this is an open and shut case of judicial malpractice. we were made aware of several new developments, one, additionally, the district attorney there in brunswick, she told the police -- rather she blocked the police from making an initial arrest. we also were made aware that, you know, when it came to this particular matter, there was no justification of self-defense. there was really even no suspicion of burglary as there had not been a single police officer that was dispatched to that community within over nearly two months. so we believe this was an open and shut case of down right racism and he was simply

profiled because of the color of his skin. >> rev renerend, listen to arbe father. >> his heart was light. he was a good young man. and he just was outgoing with everybody. so he just loved the people. he just didn't deserve to go out like that. >> what more can you tell us about ahmaud? >> well, ahmaud was loved by his entire family, his community. we saw yesterday at the rally and really, you know, the entire time we've been on the case, that they supported him and loved him. he was very respectful. he loved to run. he had plans to go to the nfl. and so, you know, this was a tragedy that turned into a nightmare with, you know, the mishandling of the investigation and the lack of prosecution. so, you know, we're going to do everything we can do to make sure this community, this family is continued to be supported all

throughout this crisis. >> and, rev rent, in the meantime, georgia is among a few states, most of them in the south, that do not have hate crimes on the books. was this a hate crime? >> i believe this was a hate crime, but even more seriously and more egregious than just a simple hate crime, this was also murder. and, you know, we couldn't have a hate crime on a statute, but if our judicial officers do not even prosecute the laws that are already o books, then hate crimes are not going to exist nor are they going to be prosecuted. this was a murder and this was murder in cold blood. and the fact that an arrest was only made two days ago is telling that the district attorney there in brunswick and the district attorney who, as you all shared, believed this was justified. both need to resign immediately. we would go as far as to seek their disbarment from the georgia bar because it's inept and it's simply malpractice for

this to have happened in our community. so we're going to fight against it every step of the way. >> and charges were only filed after a video of the shooting went viral. what concerns you most about that? >> it concerns me that the entire world saw what both the district attorney in brunswick and the district attorney in the way cross judicial circuits had all along. they had the video literally from day one. and they were unwilling to prosecute the murder of mr. arbery. so the people who are sworn to uphold the constitution and to protect the community that they serve was unable to do so because there was more concern with trying to get quid pro quo and those kinds of corrupt things. again, this is not the first time, not the first case that this has happened, particularly in this community, which is very strange. and so, again, we reiterate those demands of, you know,

making sure that they are not to serve law nor to even practice as district attorneys nor attorneys in any regard whatsoever for the rest of their lives. >> yeah. i'm pretty sure with every arbery video that we see there, there are tons and tons and tons of other incidents that are taking place where there are no videos and there's a lot of injustice taking place in the meantime. reverend james woodall from the georgia naacp. thank you. >> thank you all so much. the pandemic has caused a 95% drop in air travel in this country. >> that's incredible. >> airlines are now putting new safeguards in place to protect passengers and crews. but will they be enough to ease fears? ease fears? (vo) at farmers we've seen a thing or two. especially lately. we've seen you become sweat-pant executives, cat coworkers and pillow-fort architects. we've seen you doing your part. so, farmers will keep seeing you through. with fifteen-percent-reduced personal auto premiums and immediate savings through our signal app,

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developing this morning, the travel industry is among the hardest hit by this pandemic. airlines have parked thousands of planes and asked employees to take voluntary time off as layoffs seem inevitable. >> and if you fly, you'll see a lot of changes. nbc's tom costello has covered aviation for more than 15 years for us and has more on this unprecedented timing. >> good day from reagan airport. the words we hear most often are apocalyptic, dprubankruptcy and depression. the fact that there are fewer people flying right now than at

any time since the 1950s and before the jet age. >> from grounded planes to deserted airports to row after row of empty seats, air travel in this country has dropped a staggering 95%. airlines, quite simply, fighting for their very survival. their priority now, safeguarding crew members and passengers who were already uneasy. >> it's definitely unnerving to fly, just because of everything, you don't know who has what and how clean things have been, at least on the flight. >> as of monday, every airline in the country will require passengers to wear face masks. from the moment they check in until they leave the concourse. airlines already deep cleaning their planes every day with anti-bacterial disinfectants and the same electrostatic sprayers that hop hospitals use, capping the number of passengers on board, leaving middle seats

open, taking longer to board and deplane and boarding from the rare of the plane forward to minimize passengers bumping into each other. >> first, before i sit down on the plane, i'm going the wipe my site seat down with my lysol wipes and put my music in and try to relax and go to sleep. >> desperate to stay afloat, the air leans have already received $50 billion in airline mope money but had to promise to keep employees through september 30th. >> this is a matter of sheer gut survival. these companies have been crippled in a matter of about seven weeks. >> united airlines josh earnest. >> what are you asking of your employees? >> we have asked our employees to voluntarily reduce their hours and reduce their pay. in some cases, that's taking unpaid time off. in some cases, that is going from full time to part-time on a voluntary basis. >> nationwide, air likes have parked 3,000 planes.

airports also struggling. with a 97% drop in passengers, tampa is encouraging everyone to wear masks, guiding travelsers to space out, and thoroughly cleaning from curb to plane. >> it's important for us to make sure we focus on anyplace else where people can touch. we need to disinfect that as quickly and as often as we can. >> the new normal in travel may be here to stay. >> the common belief among airline execs is that we will not see a return to 2019 passenger levels until a very large part of the population has been vaccinated and right now there is no vaccine. consider the fact that business travel is the bread and butter for airlines and right now a lot of businesses are saying, you know what? zoom is working pretty well. we don't need to be spending money on business travelers. and as it relates to the average everyday family traveling, usually they travel one time a year. right now, those people are

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he had his hands underneath my clothes. and it was -- it happened all at once. >> if he's watching this, what do you want to say to him? >> i want to say you and i were there, joe biden. please step forward and be held accountable. you should not be running on character for president of the united states. >> well, tara reade there. he is calling on the former vice president to drop out of the race. >> joining us right now is weekend news editor for insider. thank you for joining us. take a look at all the women who accused the president of sexual

misconduct, and he was elected. how much of this accusation will affect biden? >> reporter: well, thank you, first, for having me. one thing i want to point out is when we first reported on several women month came out against unwanted touching and sexual behavior, he was able to become the presumptive democratic nominee. now, this this allegation, this very serious allegation has come out, new polls suggest while biden has a lead over trump and while most voters are aware of this allegation, many are still heavily supporting him over this. and that likely has been towards the reasoning that maybe the allegations aren't seen as strong enough against him or likely that anti-trump supporters who really want the president out of the office want to see biden win. and they are willing to override

any concerns they have around this allegation to make sure he ends up in the white house. all that said, there is a new poll that shows biden is leading trump by some nine percentage points nationally. 50% to 41%. do you get a sense this is evidence that tara reade's accusations hasn't had a noticeable impact at all on his support? >> reporter: i wouldn't say that it hasn't had an affect on his support. i think that people are listening. we find so many supporters, so many of the public speak out against it, whether they were concerned about how this woman is being treated and how f how the investigation, if there is one, should go forth. if we do not see a full-on investigation, then concerns are more so based on november than

it is right now trying to see if biden did what she has accused of of. >> kadia, in that poll, when justin amash is added in, biden's support shrinks to 47%. trump's goes down to 40%. does this suggest that biden has more to lose if this becomes a three-person race? >> reporter: so that's the question when someone like amash, who left the gop last year, comes into the race. whether he will be taking from biden. a lot of that goes back to his background. he is very much a conserve agenda politician. he is the kind of person who can go after anti-trump supporters who might have wanted to sit this one out and not vote for biden. but he is presenting a third option for them. so i don't necessarily think that his supporters that are now flocking or would be flocking to amash are really leaving biden because they don't like biden or

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first up here on msnbc, the coronavirus again hitting home at the white house. now it's two staffers testing positive. back to the boardwalk. could this bring about a second wave sooner? my grant workers and their role in the food chain. how the pandemic is hurting them and impacting how your food gets to the supermarket. a father and son are charged with murdering an unarmed black man. let's take a look at the city of detroit this morning. the city