and accessoriesphones volume on your cell phone.vice e - ( phone ringing ) - get details on this state program visit right now or call during business hours. hello. i'm chris jansing. we begin tonight with something we haven't really seen, barack obama's unvarnished opinion of how his successor is handling the health crisis we're facing, and he doesn't hold much back. yahoo news as obtained audio of president obama and some former aides where me laces into president trump's conduct during the pandemic. "it would have been bad even with the best of governments. it has been an absolute chaotic

disaster when that mind-set of what's in it for me and to heck with everybody else, when that mind-set is operationalized in our government." president obama has been extremely careful, very measured in his public response to trump throughout his presidency, but this private phone call was with the obama alumni association to help fire it up for the biden campaign. the comments come the same week president trump vowed to dismantle his signature achievement, obamacare, in the middle of the pandemic. i'll get to this with one of the architects of obamacare. but first mike memoli. what d can you tell us about the remarks and relating it to the 2020 election? >> well, chris, you were there with me covering the last years of the obama administration, and you all remember what was one of the questions he got so often in that last year, especially after

donald trump was elected president -- would he be willing to speak publicly if the trump administration does something he disagrees with? and you'll remember what his answer was as well, he was going to be very careful, he wanted to give deference to an incumbent president he was afforded by george w. bush and his predecessors. that's what makes this revelation so interesting. it's a call with the obama alumni association. there were 3,000 former members of his administration on this call. and you know that president obama chooses his words very carefully, and he had to understand that what he said was going to be made public in very short order. what did he say? he talked a lot about his broader concerns about our political environment. he talked about the fact that we are so tribal, we're in an us v. them mentality and that larger criticism led him into specific commentary on both the decision by the trump administration ordering prosecutors to drop the flynn prosecution. he said that really put at risk the rule of law in thisthis is c

was being handled by this administration, that this idea of tribalism as well is affecting how they're ponding. it's also interesting, chris, how he related it to this election. he's worried about misinformation. he talked about his own daughters have been showing videos meant to in his view suppress the vote for joe biden and he urged his alumni to do everything they can to support joe biden this fall. >> have we heard anything from the white house or from trump himself? >> the white house is responding narrowly to the criticism about his handling of the pandemic. i'll read a statement from kayleigh mcenany. she says the president's coronavirus response has been unprecedented and saved american lives while democrats were pursuing a sham witch-hunt against president trump, he was shutting down travel from china.

she cites the praise of governor rk. of course we know that governor cuomo has been very critical at tibut, chris, we'll be looking at president trump's twitter feed as well. i've noticed in the last hour or so he's begun retweeting and posting links to some of the speculation about what has been in his view a politicized investigation of his administration that he believes obama was the originator of during his final months in office. >> mike memoli for us. thank you very much. we want to talk a lot more about this. let's bring in dr. ezekiel im emmanu emmanuel, a former policy adviser, who helped craft the affordable care act. he is an msnbc senior medical contributor and co-host of a podcast "making the call." it's very interesting as mike pointed out, i was at the good-bye press conference that president obama held, and he talked about how careful he was

going to be. you were not on the call i'm told. but 3,000 people were, so as mike pointed out, it should not be a surprise to the president that this got out, that this was leaked. what do you make of this? what do you make of the fact of what he said and the fact that he said it in front of 3,000 people, zeke? >> 3,000 people who had worked for him and loyal to him, and i'm not sure i agree that inevitably it was going to get out. he's had these calls for various things. one was done in celebration of the affordable care act in march. nothing got out from that call. i'm not sure that the idea that this was inevitably going to be leaked. i think he's expressing a view that's common in the country, that the response has been chaotic. many people have documented, msnbc among them, the way that president trump seems to veer from one end to the other and is

not consistent in his statements and fighting against the coronavirus. one moment he's for certain procedures in terms of opening up and the next moment he talks about liberating michigan and liberating minnesota and other states that flies in the face of his own recommendations. so i think chaotic is probably an accurate description. president obama is very careful with his comments. and i don't think he thought this was going to leak. i think he wasn't trying to send a surreptitious message to the country. i think this just happened to be his view that did get out and he actually probably is chagrinned it got out. >> president trump reiterated his push to dismantle the affordable care act. i want to play a little bit of what he had to say. >> just so you understand, obamacare is a disaster, but we've run it very well. and we've made it barely

acceptable. it was a disaster under president obama and it's very bad health care. what we want to do is terminate it and give great health care and we'll have great health care, including pre-existing conditions. 100% pre-existing conditions. >> you know this law inside and out, zeke. let's talk about the talk of repealing it in the middle of a pandemic. what could the impact be? >> we have 20 million americans who got insurance because of the affordable care act and they would be without insurance. we would have an uninsurance rate which would go up even further than it is now. we're not exactly sure where it will settle given so many have lost their jobs and therefore their insurance and many in states that didn't expand medicaid, so they are probably going to be without insurance in those places. but, you know, it's hard to know what metric president trump is

using for anything. the law is clearly not a disaster. most doctors, insurance companies, and people in the country don't think it's a disaster. let me just say in addition, we've had ten years since the passage of the affordable care act. the republicans have had ten years to come up with a plan, and they have never come up with a coherent alternative so he's saying, oh, we're going to have a better system, 100% pre-existing conditions. his trump administration has the never produced anything close to a legislative package that adheres to what he has claimed. they have failed repeatedly to offer -- they could repeal but could not replace, and they could not repeal. john mccain voted against it and very very good reason because it would get rid of coverage without a coherent alternative to it. this would be a terribler thing to do in the midst of this

pandemic. we need everyone to be covered. we need to be going the other direction. there are still at least now, before the pandemic, 30 million american who is didn't have v e coverage. we'll probably go back up to 35 million or 40 million given the lack of insurance, and that's not a place you need to be when people are potentially getting sick with a deadly disease. we need to do better and not return to the pre-affordable care act situation. and i don't think the supreme court is going to -- john roberts voted for the affordable care act several times, and he is not going to reverse that decision. >> i was looking -- >> i should say for our audience, i should say for the audience, conservative legal scholars think this legal case is frivolous. we're not talking about liberal legal scholars. we're talking about conservatives at various universities and think tanks.

they think this case is totally frivolous and a mistake. so it's hard to see how the supreme court would overturn it. >> let's talk about republicans, then, zeke. new hampshire's republican governor carissa gavin newsom who has been, as you well, many an proponent of the affordable care act, says repealing the law would be devastating to new hampshire. you have reports that even attorney general bill barr thought this was a bad idea this week. i'm trying to figure out what's the political calculation here, zeke? >> i think it's quite clear. donald trump tries to win by being divisive, us v. them, and i think his base has been against the aca, they don't understand it, they actually probably couldn't even explain the law to you. but that's a sort of hardened ideological position. you're with us if you're against

the affordable care act. and he's trying to rev up his base. this isn't about a larger vision of what's the best health care policy for the country. this is political. it's going to get them out to vote and get them to support his position. i don't think there's a coherent public policy approach here. and i think what you heard from president obama that about the way president trump approaches policy is right. it's what's in it for me, how can i get re-elected, how can i fire up my base? it's not about how do i govern best for america going forward. it's a politics of divisiveness and that's how you need to read this approach to repealing the aca. >> ezekiel manuel, always good to have you on the program. thanks for taking the time. >> thank you, chris. and still to come, with more people close to donald trump's

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welcome back on this saturday. we have a lot to talk about. we'll cover the latest on nose historic unemployment numbers in just a minute, but here are the facts at this hour. the slow reopening of state ace cross the country continues today. nevada and rhode island lifting their stay-at-home orders. california and arizona began allowing retailers to open for curbside pickup. in tennessee, small recreation businesses like bowling alleys can reopen. despite the slow moves to restart the economy, protesters are calling for more, demanding lockdowns be lifted and businesses opened. in washington state today, crowds gathered at the capitol protesting the stay-at-home order. meanwhile, two fugitives have been arrested in the connection

with the death of a security guard in flint, michigan. they'd been stopped by authorities following a dispute with a security guard about a customer not wanting to wear a facemask at a family dollar store. in california, governor gavin newsom has signed an executive order allowing residents to receive a mail-in ballot for the presidential election. that would allow that option for 19 million registered voters in the state but in-person voting will be available. our white house team has seen the first evidence tonight of enhanced safety procedures after the confirmation that multiple people close to the president's inner circle have tested positive for covid-19 including vice president mike pence's press secretary, katie miller. secret service agents have been spotted in the west wing a short time ago wearing masks for the first time. let me bring in ashley parker who covers the white house for "the washington post" and jonathan la mere, who covers the white house for the associated press. let's talk about the cases

inside the white house. i have so many questions, jonathan. do we know there are only two? what does it say about coronavirus if a place with unlimited testing essentially has two cases and maybe we start with this question -- what does it say to you that secret service agents are now wearing masks? >> it shows that the virus can get anywhere, even places that have, as you say, the best testing in the nation, testing that's not available to regular this americans. it goes to show that the white house is just trying to project this return to normalcy, right? we had the president's first trip this week, going to arizona. we see him in oval office meetings and around round tables where he's not keeping six feet of space. up until now we haven't seen anyone around him wearing masks. we reported this week the white house -- in the white house they are few and far between in the last couple days, the president has said he doesn't want to be seen wearing one in public, he feels it would be a sign he's perhaps focused too much on the

public health emergency or his own health rather than what we wants americans to be thinking b about, which is the return to normalcy, reopening the nation, restarting the economy. he also, according to people we've talked to, he's told confidants he's afraid of what he would look like in a mask. he doesn't want that to end up in a negative campaign ad. but if two positive cases, there is a degree this is being taken differently within the west wing. we are seeing people wearing masks. still unclear whether president trump would ever don one. >> what are you hearing about the level of concern, ashley? you know, here's a place where famously there's been a lot of nay saying and as jonathan points out, at a time when the president's trying to project this return to normalcy, but there are a lot of folks there now worried after somebody, two people potentially that they knew and worked next to, have tested positive. >> that's exactly right. understandably, there is a lot

of unease in the west wing because they were not doing all of these social distancing measures and people were not wearing masks. and so the thing that brought it home for people is this is a white house that is doing things the country will need to do but as of now are unwilling to do. they are doing regular testing. anyone in the white house who wants or needs a test can get a test. when vice president pence's press secretary many tested positive, they did contact tracing. the reason the flight to iowa was delayed wasn't because the infected press secretary was phenomenon plaon the plane but they were doing contact tracing. the idea that even with all these measures in place that it could sort of jump the fence, so to speak, into the white house, was both unnerving for those people who work in the white house, now going home to their families and having to make

arrangements to self-quarantine or figure out their own risk factors and it drew home the point reopening the country is going to be incredibly difficult. >> i think, jonathan, one of the things people may not understand about being at the white house or working at the white house is just what a very small society it is, right, whether you're in the press or a member of the staff. it's not a lot of people. you see the same people every day. it's very restricted about who can go where. they know exactly who's there at what time. so everybody pretty much knows everybody else, right? >> right. unlike these depictions in certain classic television shows, the west wing is not that big. there aren't that many places for you to have perhaps necessary social distancing. it is the same. you're right. it's the same press corps in there day in and day out. most news organization have cut back the number of staff there each and every day as part of their adjustment to the

coronavirus. but the west wing is largely still populated up until very recently, very few aides or staffers or secret service were wearing masks. and there is a sense that of course if there were to be some sort of outbreak a lot of people could be impacted. as ashley notes, this is the place where they can test everyone and they have. these tests don't have 100% success rate, but they're better than what most americans have, which is no access to testing whatsoever, which becomes that much more important as the president is prodding americans to get back to work, to reenter society, particularly in light of yesterday's his or theably terrible up employment rate and jobs numbers. >> there's the politics of this all, ashley, and, you know, jonathan points out that the president is worried about how he might be seen if he's in a mask. now you have these awful unemployment numbers and there

seems to be this two-pronged approach. one is that this is not my fault. how many times have we heard him say the cupboard was bare. the second part of that is look how great everything was before this happened. i'm the guy to rebuild it. but what are you hearing, ashley, from within the white house about how nervous people are now about the re-elect given these jobs reports? >> they are nervous about the re-elect. this is a president who very publicly hung his reelection chances on the strong economy. there is some sense perhaps overly optimistic that if and when a recovery starts it will be, you know, a clearly v-shaped one and people are still telling the president that, again, if the economy restarts in the fall, he may get some of that credit for that. but the challenge for him here is that people initially told him it very well may be true. the american public is willing to forgive him some amount of the economy, understanding that when you have a pandemic like

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welcome back. there's more devastating jobs news on the heels of yesterday's record unemployment report.

"the wall street journal" reporting just this afternoon 16 different companies have been accelerating layoffs including general electric, uber, airbnb, mgm, raytheon, glass door, united, trip adviser, cisco. so many. and then there are small businesses who've within the payroll protection act say they're fighting to stay viable. >> it's been difficult. we're coming off of ten years of growth with each exponential year. last year was a record-setting year for us. our business was up 19% heading into this particular year. january and february got off to a great start, and then all of a sudden march happened for all of us in the small business world. it's been challenging. our business has been shut down for seven weeks. >> we're very worried. i mean, it's the difference between, you know, being able to even reopen. it's not sustainable.

you can't stay open anymore. >> chris lew served as deputy secretary of labor under the obama administration, now a senior fellow at the university of virginia, and ron insana, senior analyst with cnbc. chris, the president's take is to downplay this. he claims those jobs will be back and back soon. "the wall street journal" article i cited says companies are accelerating layoffs because the recovery seems elusive. who's right here? >> i think what's notable as bad as yesterday's numbers were, they probably understate how much of a downturn we're suffering right now. by some estimates there are 44 million americans who are either unemployed or underemployed, one-quarter of the u.s. workforce. the job losses were spread across every single industry, not just restaurants and shopping malls and hotels. it was construction, manufacturing, even health care. and we know on the horizon that many of these jobs will come back when the country reopens,

but we're now facing another wave of potential layoffs with state and local employees unless they get relief. so on this one i'm going with "the wall street journal." we have a lot more bad news ahead of us. >> yeah, ron. everyone's talking about how this pandemic is going to change the job landscape long term. you know, employers realizing maybe they can do more with less, seeing companies that were looking at restructuring now moving that very quickly, moving up the time line. how do you see this going, ron? >> i see it exactly that way. the numbers we have gotten to date with the recent jobless claims filed, when you take all the folks who have filed for unemployment and insurance benefits in the last eight weeks, about 33 million. add those to the folks who were previously unemployed, we're closer to a 24% unemployment rate than a 14% or 15% rate in real time. there's a lag on some of the

data. yes, ceos are looking at the fact that, you know, we're alltel commuting if you will and doing our jobs at home in the service business that allows you to use computer technology, whether zoom or skype or others. looking at amazon, which is growing because it's delivering goods on a contact-free basis to your home. those big companies that have been able to use technology to gain market share are winning but they are hurting and will result in more layoffs in some of these areas where similar technologies can't be deployed, where you have to show up in the work space, whether it's food processing, airlines, whether it's retail or restaurants. they have a much bleaker picture both in the near term and the long term. you know that ceos are going to say, listen, if we don't have to have everybody in the office at the same time, we may cut our square footage as well, presenting problems for commercial real is state down the road as well. >> chris, i talked to small b s

business in arizona, 3, 10, 20 employee businesses and they're concerned about the help -- if they're going to continue to get help. some have not gotten any at all, too small for ppp. they're also concerned about messaging. they're seeing too many different stories from leaders about when they can reopen, how they should reopen, no consistency that says to folks when places do reopen, you can go there safely. so i want to play something the owner of a bed and breakfast in bucks county told me. he says he's ready, he has protocols in place, but he knows folks are worried about this balance and he's worried about the balance of reopening, getting jobs back, and keeping people safe. listen to what he said. >> we are in an emergency. i mean, we have all the expenses, a very large mortgage, we have a lot of fixed expenses that don't go away.

and, you know, we're in pretty dire straits to be honest so we're faced with the do we bring somebody in and take that risk, which we almost certainly will, or do we suffer the financial consequences. >> other owners told me they have protocols ready to go but they also know and have been questioned about no way to enforce them, so they're worried about the mixed messaging, something different from the white house than their governor than local officials. what are people supposed to believe and how much of a problem is that when places reopen? >> a huge problem. the u.s. economy depends on confidence. it's confidence of employers that when they open up they'll have business. it's the confidence of consumers and workers that they can show up and be safe. if you look at public opinion polls ark vast majority of americans aren't comfortable going to restaurants or shopping malls or sporting events. you can reopen the economy, but

that doesn't mean people are going to show up. even with the reasonable public health restrictions that are being put in place, whether it's 25% occupancy at restaurants or tables being six feet apart. given the slim margins a lot of these businesses operate under, they may decide it's not worth doing, we can't turn a profit. so it's kind of half reopening doesn't do much to spur the economy. >> yeah. there was one very local coffee shop in bucks county where they've decided not to reopen at all. meantime, ron, you wrote an op-ed and you argue the stock market is not out of touch with reality. make your case. >> the stock market has different functions, one which is to reflect changing realities of the economy. the composition of the economy is changing. you look at amazon, netflix, when you look at those companies, zoom and others, beyond meat that are providing goods or services that can be

accessed by the public even during a period in which we're sheltering from in place, they've done quite well. secondarily, those companies that are being really hurt, retail, j. crew, neiman-marcus, jcpenney may file next week, airlines and other transportation companies have struggled with all this, food service providers, they're being punished. but they don't rate as heavily on the market. so the market is going up on the back of the big winners. the federal reserve has provided trillions of dollars of liquidity and financial support to the markets and that is propping them up. so the extent it appears the market doesn't reflect the economic reality on the ground, it's going through massive internal change. the economic reality is indeed dire. we are seeing depression-era numbers in terms of unemployment. we'll see a second quarter contraction of the economy that may be 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%.

but the market is going up justifiably in some ways. >> okay. we're out of time. but chris, i have to ask you about that phone call that president obama made where he said that the response by the trump administration, by president trump to the crisis, the pandemic has been absolute chaotic disaster. you were on the call. can you tell us something about the mood, the tone, the response? what can you tell us about that? >> chris, i was on the call. this was a private call as much as a call can be for 3,000 people. it was a vastly oversubscribed call. i suspect all 10,000 plus alums would have joined if they could have, but it was a chance for the president to expand on his endorsement of joe biden and why joe biden's experience and his empathy and his ability to bring people together as well as his problem solving skills make him the right person for this moment and the importance of the obama

alums engaging in this fight not only to help elect joe biden but also giving him a senate and house he could work with. >> did obama sound fired up, chris? >> well, you know, yes. i mean, he was speaking to the people that had gotten him elected twice and served with him. his most loyal supporters. but it was concerning this call leaked because it was intended to be a private call. but, look, these are the same themes you'll hear him talking about on the campaign trail later this year. >> chris and ron, my thanks to both of you guys. always good to see you. coming up, a lot more to talk about. we'll turn our attention for a moment to a story that has really rocked the nation. the killing of an unarmed black man. i'm joined byt.

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family and friends of ahmaud arbery, who would have turned 26 years old this weekend, released balloons this afternoon in his honor. he was shot dead in brunswick, georgia, by two white men on february 23rd. his family says he was unarmed and out for a jog when a pickup truck approached him. the father and son were arrested and charged on thursday, two days after graphic footage of the event became public and more than two months after the killing itself. according to the police report, gregory mcmichael, a former police officer, said he and his son travis thought he was a burglary suspect and fired in self-defense. the founder and president of national action network and host of "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. good to see you, rev. you spoke with ahmaud's family. tell us about that. >> we talked with his father and

his attorneys, and in the conversation it was made clear that the father said this was a lynching. he felt that his son was hunted down, had done no wrong, and what was as disturbing is that the two-month period that there was no prosecution, we got involved a couple weeks ago, and then the tape came out this week, so we were involved before the tape came out, but local chapter of the naacp and other actors had been involved from the beginning supporting the family. and what does not make sense, chris, is if this tape was in the possession of the prosecutors, why didn't they feel that the tape showed probable cause to make an arrest? an arrest does not mean that there is an indictment or a conviction. but clearly, if you see an unarmed man who is not breaking into anywhere, there's no buildings around, he was not engaged in a crime, and he's shot by two armed men that had

stopped him as he was jogging because they had parked their truck, why weren't they arrested? what took the two months? and who knew what was on the tape, had seen the tape, and why didn't they operate? that is what the family, what the father raised last night and his lawyers have asked members of congress to look into because they don't trust the local authorities. >> as you well know, a videotape is no guarantee that a case will even be brought to court. i mean, i'm thinking shamir rice. i could go on and on. or if it goes to court there will be a conviction. freddie gray, you know the list. it's very, very long. where do you see this going, rev? >> i see that if we see an indictment, because now they have been charged by the arrest by the georgia bureau of investigation, if there is an indictment, then you're going to

have to deal with a trial. but one of the reasons a lot of the national civil rights groups have gotten involved like naacp and others is to keep a spotlight on it so they cannot do anything without the spotlight nationally to support those that are on the front lines locally because we're in the middle of a pandemic, the courts are closed, and we don't want to see them run the clock out in terms of public attention on the issue, which is why it's important the family continues to do what it does to keep it visible. in the darkness of time, they will just do what they do, let this run out like they run out two months. this young man was killed in cold blood as joe biden said. no kind of weapon at all. and clearly there was no if breaking and entering going on. what are we looking at here and why are we not seeing people held accountable? >> yeah.

we have this additional video footage related to the evidence that was reviewed by agents and the family attorney. lee merritt said the footage of the person believed to be ahmaud arbery is, quote, consistent with the evidence already known to us. ahmaud arbery was out for a jog. he stopped by a property under construction where he engaged in no illegal activity and remained for only a brief period of time. the lawyers you are talking to, the knowledge you have from so many of these cases that you've been involved with, how important could a second piece of video be? >> it could be very important. the question becomes when it goes before the prosecutors with the second piece, if they present to a grand jury, and usually grand juries go with where the prosecutors tell them because there's no defense in the grand jury. it's the prosecutor presenting why he feels there ought to be a proceeding case here.

then the selection of the jury. i want to see the demographics of the county reflected in the jury so you get a fair and balanced review of the evidence and lead to a fair conclusion. >> before i let you go, i have to ask you about little richard. look, atten and talked about today about his influence. the beatles wouldn't be the b t beatles without little richard. elvis recorded his songs. you knew him. tell us about the little richard you knew and who we've lost. >> i got to know him because when i was a teenager, james brown took me as a surrogate son and james brown, his first manager, little richard introduced him to. they were close. they had their rivalries but they were close. i got to know little richard. he was a church person. he became a minister. left rock 'n' roll for a while and then went in the ministry, came back into rock 'n' roll. he was as passionate and boisterous and flamboyant in

private as he was in public. he was always outspoken. he was always direct. what you saw on stage is what you saw in private. he was someone who totally embraced himself. he did not care what you thought. he was -- he was the personification of authenticity. >> yeah, ahead of his time in so many ways. >> no doubt. >> reverend al sharpton, thank you. always good to talk with you. >> thank you, chris. >> watch "politics nation" on msnbc tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern. we're going to take you to break with some of little richard's music and his life and legacy. >> thank you. ♪ yeah, baby

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it's great to see both of you. first of all, thank you. you have such a unique perspective because you're both part of a group of nurses who have trained more than five years to combat infectious diseases like covid-19. i just -- maybe it sounds like an obvious question, but could anything, even five years of training, just, you know, get you ready, prepare you for what you've seen? >> i could say that what we are seeing with the covid-19 is beyond what anyone could have expected, but i feel the five years of training we've had have made us ready both mentally and in terms of how do we take care for ebola and covid-19.

so it does help in terms of we train on how to safely transport patients and handle specimen and also keep ourselves safely while providing care for people. >> jackie, what's this system like for you and how important do you think those five years has been getting you ready for something that nobody could have expected? >> yeah, definitely got us prepared. it gave us a solid foundation because we know how to care for a patient while following guidelines for special pathogen. the ones we trained for we knew about. this one is a little unknown but it didn't change our policies very. and we trained together as a team, most of us for the entire

five years. and it gives a nice sense of community and we all know what we're doing in that moment. >> and in fact, narces, your unit was the first in the hospital to be designated for covid-19 patients. how are things at boston med? how are your patients? >> actually, yeah, i remember that day i came to work and i saw the first covid patient on our floor. it was a little nerve racking in the agabeginning but i knew we e ready for the challenge. we're still seeing a high volume of patients at boston medical center, but i think those five weeks we've been working with ko

covid, we're much more comfortable working now with covid-19. >> i have to say i'm in usa of all of you putting yourselves on the lien. i saw a study that over 90,000 health workers are covid-19 positive and 260 nurses around the world have died. how do you handle the combination of risk, the suffering you're seeing? how have you and your colleagues been coping? >> it is tough but, i mean, we signed up to be nurses. we signed up to care for patients. we didn't expect it to be in the middle of a pandemic, no one did, but we show up every day. this is what i signed up for. it takes an emotional toll but you're not going through it alone. you're going through it with an entire floor, hospital and

worldwide nurses that are going through it together and have our backs. >> in four minutes i'm going to open my window here in new york city and as i do every day, i'm going to hear the cheering and the horns and the people singing and yelling their appreciation for all of you. so jackie atkins, narce narces norceide, thank you, we appreciate everything you're doi doing. and that's going to do it for me. the news continues next hour with ali velshi so keep it here on msnbc. p it here on msnbc it's best we stay apart for a bit,

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