encouraging parts of the country to reopen as soon as possible, covid-19 is coming a bit too close to the president for comfort. three members of the white house task force, dr. anthony fauci, robert redfield and stephen hahn are all self isolating after possible exposure to covid-19. the push to reopen the country comes amid fresh signs with the labor market could be in real danger. >> the flow of initial claims that it looks like we're going to get close to 20% in the next report. >> aren't we talking close to 25% at this point which is great depression neighborhood? >> chris, with he could be. >> with me now, josh letterman, nbc news national political reporter. we're going to get back to that sound in just a minute, josh. i want to ask you first, what is the latest that you are hearing about these senate hearings with dr. fauci and other members of the administration?

>> josh, what's the latest with these senate hearings? what are you hearing about fauci being able to testify and how he'll testify? yeah, josh, i get the sense that you cannot hear me. hopefully we have our reporter at the white house. i'm not sure if we have her yet. do we? all right. we're going to come back to monica and josh. first, we'll bring in our panel. we have eugene scott, "washington post" political reporter and katherine lucy is a white house reporter for the "wall street journal." we're going to go for a little break and come back, work out the technical issues and be right back with you. out that, do i? harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line. crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. it works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. gum detoxify, from crest.

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to those watching, we're having some technical difficulties, stick with us. now we want to bring you this story from big retail chains to small mom and pop stores across

america, struggling to stay afloat. some have filed for bankruptcy, malls are trying to put in place measures that will make shoppers more comfortable while they start to open up again. nbc's reporter explores what the future of retail could look like. >> the coronavirus is accelerating decline of traditional retail. the first major casualty, j. crew, filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy to restructure the finances. although j. crew's lagging sales problems started long before covid-19, the shutdown orders fast tracked the decline. j. crew and other stores will stay open, the company says, for now. other giants like neiman marcus, sears, and j.c. penny are grcon struggling to stay afloat. that means it's important to get customers back in store quickly and safely. >> for fear of the unknown, but we have to tackle it together. >> i wanted to see how stores gig and small are preparing fon

the inside. we went to beverly center, a los angeles landmark for the last four decades. the shopping center is, of course, closed for coronavirus as they await the governor's green light to. >> reporter: o more than 25% of the tenants are small businesses. the shopping center has sat completely empty for six weeks now but behind the scenes, the mall is figuring out exactly what they need to do to make shoppers feel safe again. >> if the state and local government doesn't require facemasks, we're going to encourage those. and then for employees, every morning we're going to temperature check. so if you're over 100.4 degrees, we're going to send you home and encourage you to get tested. >> very simple. >> very simple. >> reporter: they're adding new hand sanitizer stations and limiting the number of people that can get into an elevator for social distancing. you'll see decalls on the floor keeping you social distance apart from others f you're not wearing a mask, they will quietly ask you to leave.

>> reopening sooner rather than later, they may separate the survivors from the rest. green street advisors forecast more than half of department stores at malls will close permanently by the end of next year. painting an uncertain future for retailers of all sizes. >> thank you so much. now let's bring in our nbc political reporter. what can you tell us about these white house officials going into self isolation? >> yeah. this all broke late last night with news that dr. anthony fauci is the most high profile coronavirus task force nobody say he's going to be going into a modified quarantine. what does that mean? he's going to be trying to self isolate as much as possible for the next two weeks and that comes after coming into contact with somebody who tested positive for coronavirus at the white house this week. we know a total of two staffers have tested positive. so out of an abundance of caution, dr. fauci along with the cdc director dr. redfield and stephen hahn have decided to go to the ultimate length in

terms of medical safety and work remotely but what is critical is that this coming week they are also scheduled to be on capitol hill and in a first in terms of this coronavirus pandemic, they're going to be appearing before the senate health committee via teleconference which is significant for a number of reasons. you remember last week the white house had said they didn't want to dr. fauci to appear before a house panel but they ok'd him coming to talk to the senate. well now that's going to happen in a much different capacity given the news here. but they did put in some new protocols and procedures here at the white house which we saw for the first time yesterday which is that some secret service acts are wearing face coverings when they're near the president and the vice president. and we've also learned that they are doing contact tracing. some of the white house officials who may have come into contact with the two people who tested positive are given the option to work from home in the coming week but many of them are actually still coming in. and so what now remains to be seen is how many other of the coronavirus task force members who may have been in the same meetings with the top three

doctors are also taking the additional step to work from home. we reached out to a number of them. we heard back from several who said they're consulting their physicians before making that important decision. >> all right. monica, thank you so much for sticking us with. let's head over to josh letterman. he is also been following the updates in this story about what dr. fauci will testify to. monica just told us about the nature of this testimony that is going to be done via remote given the new circumstances can you tell us about the substance of the testimony, what democrats are asking about? >> well, it's pretty fair to say, alicia, this hearing is going to be unprecedented. both because of the scope of what they're going to be discussing and the middle of the on going crisis but also as you and monica were discussing, the fact that not only will many of the senators be participating remotely via video conference, but all four of the witnesses,

not because they're testifying from a war zone or somewhere far off, but because of the concerns that at least three of them might have been exposed to a white house official who tested positive. a reminder that even as the officials are testifying about the federal government's response and whether it's safe to start to reopen the country in various places, there's this reminder that even the immediate part of this doesn't seem to be fully under control with the white house apparently a spot where several officials have tested positive and concerns about the other officials as well. >> all right. monica and josh, thank you both so much for sticking with us. let's -- we're going to go to break. when we come back, we'll continue this conversation. what do we want for dinner? burger... i want a sugar cookie... wait... i want a bucket of chicken... i want... ♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest.

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to the coronavirus. let's bring in eugene scott and katherine lucy, a white house reporter for "the wall street journal." thank you so much for sticking with us. this is an important conversation. i'm happy to have it with both of you. katherine, you had secretary saying that the unemployment rate could go up to 25%. what are he hearing from the white house about those numbers? >> there's a lot of concern about where this is going. obviously, the white house officials are trying to signal they think that there could be a bounceback later on. they're trying to, you know, keep people focused on that idea. a couple thing wez should watch. one is what they're going to do with the next round of stimulus. for now they're saying they want to wait a couple weeks. they're putting a pause on. that they want to see how things unfold in the next few weeks. we did hear the secretary say this morning he was interested in potentially a payroll tax in that and we haven't heard a lot of enthusiasm from republicans on the hill on that so far. another thing to think about is the bigger context here for the

president politically. which is a few months ago before this hit, his plan was to run for re-election based on his, you know, low unemployment rate and a booming economy. and he now can't make that pitch anymore. there are trying to pivot to what he can bring back. but that is a different argument. and it could affect him particularly with specific groups. one thing they want to do was use the strong numbers to perhaps improve their votes among african-americans. they felt his advisors felt confident that they kim prove the numbers this fall given the unemployment rates. and now you're seeing that african-americans are hit harder in terms of health outcomes and the unemployment than other groups. so it's much harder to make that case today than it was in january. >> eugene, you wrote about the exact point that katherine just made this is the most common pitch that you hear the president making to african-american voters. i'd love you to add there. and then i'm also curious to hear from you six months until election day, is that -- is there time in there to build a new narrative?

>> when president trump ran for election in 2016, his argument was what do you have to lose? and now black americans now see what they have to lose under trump presidency. whether or not it was his fault or not, the reality is that the unemployment rate for black people currently is nearly 17%. and when you build your reelection campaign on trying to convince black americans that the economy is working in their favor and the stock market benefited them and the facts of the data show differently, it's going to be very difficult for someone who already has a high disapproval rating with black voters to convince him he is going to be the best option against joe biden. we do know that anything could happen between may and november. but at the rate things are currently going, it would be close to miraculous for things to get down to a number that would allow the trump campaign to continue their original argument which is that the

president has led to the best economy and unemployment rate for black people in history. >> katherine, we know that dr. fauci is going to be testifying before the senate. what do you expect to be the substance of that conversation and that inquiry? >> we certainly expect he's going to be pressed about health outcomes, about testing, about how this administration's doing. it also obviously comes at an interesting moment as, you know, dr. fauci, redfield and hahn are all self isolating because of exposure to people who tested positive for covid-19. i'm hearing there is a lot of anxiety right now in the west wing about who might have been exposed, who is coming to work. and we saw kevin talk this morning about how it's a scary place to go to work now. that it's a cramped place. so certainly the climate as the administration is trying to

really pivot to a positive economic message, really push the idea that time for states to start to reopen in some cases, the fact that they are dealing with, you know, positive cases within the west wing, you really speak to, you know, how insidious this virus is and underscores a lot of the risks here. >> thank you so much for joining us. there's a lot of attention on germany as the country began to ease restrictions in the last several days. including reopening many schools. the latest data today shows new infections are accelerating. let's bring in nbc's carl nassin in berlin. what do we know about the infections and the response there? >> yeah, well germany really been lifting these lockdown restrictions at a rapid rate over the past few days. as you mentioned, the situation shifted a bit since then. new data coming in this weekend showing that the reproduction number has spiked. this is a measurement that can tell you how many other people

on average one sick person can infect. it's something that is looked at very closely here in germany. it has since spiked up to levels that are considered unsafe here. now a lot of those new cases seem to be coming from actually slaughter houses and small towns here in germany. st what's interesting is we're seeing the leaders of those towns saying, look, we will actually not lift some restrictions that were planned to be done away with until we get those outbreaks under control. that's all part of the plan here. it's what's being referred to as the emergency break. chancellor saying she'll go ahead and reimpoese lockdowns i regions where need philadelphia infections spike up once again. >> carl, do you have a sense of what the response has been from the general public to these numbers? >> yeah, well, if you look at opinion polling, the latest poll that's come out shows that around two-thirds of germans support the moves that the government is making here. most people say these lockdown measures which have not, of

course, been as tough as in other countries in europe, say, italy or spain, germans have had it fairly easy. most of the people here support what's going on. however, we have seen some outbreaks of what we see in the u.s. as well, these anti-lockdown protests. in fact, right where i'm standing right here yesterday there was a gathering of protesters in front of the german parliament building. and you have basically two sides. there is a far left side that are worried about the erosion of democratic freedoms here in the country. of course, germany given the history, always on guard for that. then on the far right, you are hearing some of the same conspiracy theories that are being circulated in the united states. theories about bill gate or vaccinations or these two groups coming together in that tends to make up a small but vocal minority here in the country that are protesting against these lockdown measures. >> all right. carl, thank you so much. to safely reopen the united states, researchers at the harvard global health institute say the u.s. needs to be doing

at least 900,000 tests per day by may 15th. the latest data from the covid-19 track prague je covid-19i covid-19ing tracking project, they're date of bir they're doing 270,000 right now. ann, thank you so much for joining us. you just heard the numbers. you see the gap between the testing that is currently being done and the testing we're being told needs to be done in order for the country to reopen safely. what is it going to take to get from here to there? >> well, i think that these numbers that you just discussed are real and are really where we need to be. without adequate testing in place available to everyone and having testing that is highly accurate, we are going to be in a situation that we do not know where we stand and we're going to be constantly chasing behind this virus. you know, the problem is between the time that somebody gets

infected and he when they start to show symptoms there is a lag time. all the people that we're not identifying right now will only show up a few weeks later. n. the system. and so we really, by the time you're identifying people, it's already -- you're already seeing growth in cases. so the amount of testing that is required here is so critical. and this is really where we need to be focusing our efforts right now. more testing, accurate testing, widespread and available to everyone is the key. >> federal guidelines recommend that states only reopen after they have seen a 14-day decline in cases. but there are plenty of states that are opening up in advance of those numbers. what is the risk there to opening up too soon? >> the risk, of course, is that you are going to see a spike in cases. everybody has been working so

hard and sacrificing so much to make sure we drive the number of cases down. much as with he see people opening up, what we'll see is we'll see more cases. we'll see more deaths, of course. and in this is exactly what we're trying to avoid. we want to be able to reap the benefits of all the hard work and sacrifice that everybody has done by flattening the curve, staying home. i think that opening too soon and foregoing pleasure for future greed or gain is going to be -- wait a minute, i just mixed that up. need to forego current pleasure for future greater gain. opening too soon is the opposite of this. >> and one of the challenges of telling the story of treating this virus is the ways in which it continues to manifest in new ways. so just yesterday we learned that three children died in new york from a rare inflamatory syndrome that they suspect could be related to coronavirus.

can you tell us more about that? can you also tell us why it makes it tricky to treat a virus that continues to show up in different ways? >> well, i'm not a physician. i'm an epidemiologist. i kblt tecan't tell you about t clinic will as. this is a new virus to humanity. we're learning something about it every single day. and understanding that there are new syndromes associated with this, that there are, you know, young children are -- can be potentially very negatively impacted fwhid in ways that we had not anticipated previously is really important. this is why it is so important to be able to understand how many cases there are, understand all of the effects because if we can understand that, we can really start attacking this. the problem is that this is new. we learned something new every day. and so the system, researchers, scientists, clinicians, we're all coping with this and trying to get our armdz arous around t

z we're just beginning to understand it. >> the most common questions that we're asked is when will this all be over? and there are two ways to answer that. there is both the societal way in which this will be over where people feel they have the dofth to go out again and the virus itself and the virus itself when it is over. i wonder how you define when this will be over and what you think it will take to get there. >> this is a complicated question, of course. this will be "over" when we have a vaccine available to everyone and we're able to drive down the number of people that the virus can infect. the virus will keep going as it is able to infect people. right now most of us are not immune to the virus. i don't see an end in sight fll is a vaccine in place. now that said, having big gains

in therapeutics, things that can help us treat the virus and drive down the mortality rate will also make a very big difference. so it goes back to all the fundamental things. testing, understanding who has it, therapeutics, being able to treat people and vaccines being able to protect those who have not yet been infected. >> ann, thank you so much. still to am could, the nfl has released its 2020 schedule. but the season's kickoff is still very much in doubt. how professional sports are planning around the virus. today, we're adapting to staying home and finding new ways to take of ourselves. but you can still screen for colon cancer. because when caught in early stages, it's more treatable. so, don't wait. cologuard is colon cancer screening done at home. you can request it from home too. ask your prescriber if cologuard is right for you... or learn more about online prescribers at requestcologuard.com. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask about cologuard today.

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>> as salons and restaurants want to get back to work, sports leagues are trying to find ways to get back on the field safely. one of them is the national football league which announced on friday they'll attempt a full season schedule. >> the nfl took a great step. and they mean business too. they're going to do what they have all sorts of contingency plans in case something happens. and they'll move games from one location to another. they're going to do it. that's a great thing they're doing. >> joining me now is kevin blockstone, he's an espn panelist and sports columnist for "the washington post." all right. kevin, you have the nfl releasing a full schedule this week. is there any way that they get to this full schedule as things stand now? >> i can't see that happening as things stand right now. i mean, first of all, they're going to have to get the

testing. in huge, huge numbers. that's the main thing that is stopping sports from being able to come back. they have to look at this league in germany, the soccer league to find out how they're coming back this week is going to be handled. but that's far fewer people on the pitch than there are in nfl stadiums. obviously, all of this is going to take place without fans. so to me, that's just fool's gold. >> you heard the president saying that nfl has contingency plans. they appear to be starting off with business as usual. i want to read this from the times. it did not front load the schedule with nonconference matchups, little to no bearing on postseason tiebreakers could be locked off if necessary. instead, the league generally proceeded as normal. do you have a sense of what is going on there? what is informing these choices? >> the only thing they're doing i think is holding out hope that in the next few months there

will be a meesiracle that allow this to happen. this is something that is beyond the owners, beyond the commissioner. this also involves nfl players. i remember talking to kenny stills a few weeks ago, he said he's not ready to come back and he doesn't think a lot of the team mauts are ready to come back until things are absolutely safe. and i think it's really disingenuous on the partst president to suggest that the nfl players come back as some sort of guinea pigs in this whole experiment after, you know, players in the nba were really the canaries in the coal mine to the whole shutdown from the coronavirus. what do you think the nba season is going to look like?

>> the hope is they can cordon off the city with las vegas oregon laor orlando and finish offer the season with the teams there, certainly the -- and certainly have some sort of playoffs and that kind of thing. but that's going to be really, really difficult for it to pull off as well. we've seen how easy it is in sports as well as in regular life in business life to transmit this disease. it's going to come down to testing. it's one thing to open a few gyms and regions where stay at home orders have been relaxed where you can have maybe a few players and a few staff in to do workouts. it's another thing to have a full five on five game with guys sitting on the bench, coaching staffs and all of that. once again, it come down to testing. will until this country is up to

snuff on testing, nothing in sports is going to happen. >> well, to your point about testing, the nba sent around a memo last week, can you give us a sense of what was in that? >> i did not see that memo. but what they hope to be able to do is start providing regular testing of everyone who would be involved in any sort of contact with the players and with everyone else involved. i would point to the south korean baseball league that started a week ago. the reason they were able to start up once again without fans and umpires wearing masks and players wearing mask it's they want to is because south korea has tamped down new covid-19 cases tremendously.

at the time they started back in play, they had maybe five new covid-19 tests positive in the entire country. we're still talking tens of thousands in this country and they're testing everyone on a regular basis. i think weekly. but if one person tests positive, they will probably shut down for three weeks. so this is a really precarious position even for a korean baseball league in a situation where testing has really proven a marvelous thing for them. >> all right. kevin, thanks so much. just ahead, unemployment is hitting levels not seen since the great depression. but one city is developing an online service that it hopes might help solve the problem locally. more on that next. how about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no

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economy. hospitality industries have been laying off workers, furloughing their workers. service industries have been laying off workers and yet, there are a number of industries that are hiring. this site an service trying to match up those industries that are hire and hiring very fast with employees who have been la laid off, looking at a career change. factors like that related to covid-19. we have been very successful since launching the service a week ago. >> what are you hearing from the employers who are looking for employees and from those who are searching for jobs? >> with the employers, a lot of the ramp up that they are experiencing is related to the challenges that are facing all of us. logistic companies are in need of workers. anyone in very fast delivery is in need of workers. health care or, at least the sub sectors of health care that are related to covid-19 response,

those health care companies that are producing services and products are hiring very fast. what we are hearing is they are looking for a lot of lower skilled and middle skilled employees. they are looking for people they can train very fast and they are looking for people with a broad base of experience. we're not so naive as to think this is going to solve this significant challenges ahead of us. working with our mayor of indianapolis, working with many of these companies hiring, we have been successful in placing a will the of folks and making meaningful connections that have gotten people hired. >> i wonder if you think this is a model that can be applied in other cities and if someone is watching who would like to see a service and site like this spring up in their own service, what counsel you have after launching this. >> we have created our solution which you can find at

indychamber indychamberresponse.com. it's to take a displaced workers information very fast and start to narrow the possibilities for that individual with companies that are coming to us. if you're watching this from another city, i bet that something like this or similar to this already exists within your chamber, your economic development organization or your work force development organization and one thing that gives me hope about the future is even though these are very challenging times, this situation has led to new levels of collaboration within the public, private and philanthropic sectors. it's like they they are collaborating in your city and region. we're talking a lot as we should about the industries that are displaced restaurant, hospitality and things like that. if you take a closer look, there are those industries that are hiring and that are ramping up fast. there are partnerships in your community of people that want to connect to you to those

opportunities. >> you know, we heard today that the unemployment numbers could be close to 25%. that's just a startling number. as you have gone through this proje project, have you gotten a sense of the scope in your own city of what people are up against sf? >> our numbers match the national numbers. in some ways it's been better and in some ways it's been worse. i'll start with the worst. in some ways it's worst because indianapolis punches far above its weight as a sport and convention city. we had cancel laglations of big basketball, ncaa basketball early on. that first wave really hit us in the second week of march. in other ways we do have a very strong health care and life sciences sector. we have eli lily and companies like that who are actively involved in the response to covid-19 and their entire supply chains. i would say it looks like it's going to be a very long slog for

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hey, there. i'm joshua johnson. it's good to be with you on this mother's day. maybe you're planning to fly home and see mom next year after coronavirus is hopefully under control. that flight could be very different than your last trip home. we'll have details come up. we'll answer more of your questions including on the latest economic news. please do keep those questions coming. you might have more questions than ever after several key white house pictures painted a bleak picture of our financial future. some predicted unemployment could go as high as 25%. no one wants that to happen. every one wants to stay safe from