good evening. and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead -- >> we need more location -- >> message of gratitude and records for all the mothers explaining this changed world of ours to their children. as of today, more than 80,000 americans have died from covid-19. more than 1.3 million have

tested positive for the disease. for president trump and like minded americans in his ear, and in his thrall, that's all right. if it were primarily white conservatives, trump supporters specifically that were doing the bulk of the suffering and dying, the impetus to reopen the country might well be tempered more than marked considerations and personal preferences. but that isn't the case. as the same protesters who have clamored for their states to reopen while brandishing weapons of war and racist symbols have also unironically ignored that it is mostly black and brown laborers who stand to lose their lives for their liberty and as lawmakers move to shield employers from legal liability in the event that workers do end up dieing so those protesters can have their haircuts and

hamburgers. but since what data we do have shows that black americans are suffering disproportionately from the disease, for president trump and the decisionmakers in his orbit, that's all right. because we have a presidential election in less than six months, and the economy this president counted on to keep him in office is in the space of two months a distant memory for a record 33 million americans now unemployed. and between the carnage of covid-19 and the candidacy of his former vice president joe biden, even barack obama has joined the fray, channeling what we seldom heard from him and even some conservatives are feeling in this moment anger. joining me now is democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. she's a member of the senate

judiciary committee, and a former 2020 presidential candidate. senator, let me start by playing for you, listen to president obama criticizing his successor. >> it would have been bad even with the best of governments. it has been an absolute chaotic disaster when that mindset of what's in it for me and to heck with everybody else, when that mindset is operationalized in our government. >> it seems real clear statement by the former -- the former president didn't call trump's name, but on this private call that is now gone public, how do you respond and react to what president obama had to say. >> i'm glad he said it.

you always imagine the different world it would have been if barack obama was president right now because he is someone that understood that service is about sacrifice, and looking out for the people of this country instead of yourself. and that has been the problem from the beginning, al, the president, president trump minimized how bad this was when he knew more than america knew early on. and he didn't get that testing started. and he misled the american people in terms of what was happening. and as a result, we are where we are with the nation, with this high rate of deaths, with people in senior homes, bodies stacking up, and as you just mentioned, with this overwhelming death rate of people of color. and those aren't his people. and i think that's why it is so important as governors are around the country grapple with how to get our economy going again, we all want that, nobody

wants boarded up small businesses, we have to make sure it is safe. as it is mother's day, we have to make sure people's grandmas and moms don't die as a result of a premature decision. what we need is testing and national testing regime. look what is happening in germany and some of the other countries right now who did that, that did that. that's what president obama is talking about. >> president obama was a law student and law professor, he also talked about the law being enforced and what is being done, alluding we all assume to the whole situation with flynn and flynn pleading guilty now. they're talking about dropping the charges from this justice department, and in a way erasing his guilty plea he said himself he lied to the fbi. you are on the judiciary committee. how do you respond to what legal

precedent it does and what does this do to the rule of law in this country? >> this is outrageous, i know for people who are struggling today with coronavirus and with what we see, maybe this doesn't seem like as big a deal. but to me it is kind of related because we have a president that constantly thinks he can just do what he wants and tweet what he wants, and has no respect for government, and how it should work and no respect for the rule of law. basically what he -- what they have said here, and what the attorney general has done on behalf of the president is given the president the pardon that he kept saying he wanted to give to flynn. flynn lied to the fbi. there is no doubt about it. he lied about his contacts with the russian ambassador. and you don't just throw those charges out. and this is a pattern, of course, the attorney general only recently disregarded the sentencing guidelines for someone else and that would be roger stone.

and in fact four career people in the justice department resigned because of it. this is about our rule of law, reverend. this is about this idea that america, the president isn't king, the law is king. we know that. and this is a president that flaunts the law and very sadly he has put in place an attorney general that does his dirty work for him instead of following the law. >> now, following that line and i agree with you, we are all consumed and understandably and justifiably so with the pandemic, many of us still in shelter in place, all over the country, and should be given the danger, but this president even during this time of the pandemic is still rushing through judges to be confirmed, and in front of the committee you're a member of, and they are not dealing with other legal questions that this justice department has had laryngitis. i look at the ahmaud arbery case

in georgia that i spent some time in the last couple of weeks on, his mother, arbery's mother was on my syndicated radio show this morning, not a word from this justice department, are they concerned about federal civil rights laws, are they concerned about hate crimes, georgia doesn't have one, we heard nothing and when the president was asked, he was less than aggressive in attacking a blatant what joe biden called cold blooded murder, saying, well, the arbery looked good in a tuxedo, but we don't know what we didn't see on the tape. like he's pulling a punch that is obvious that most presidents, certainly in my lifetime, would have denounced what they saw and said there really needs to be some kind of legal interference in terms of what should happen if the local authorities refuse to move. if they had tape, senator, all

this time, why did we just see it this coming week when he was killed february 23rd? >> unbelievable. i was just speaking with reverend warnick about this, your colleague who is running for u.s. senate in the state of georgia, and you look at what happened here. the authorities had this tape. the prosecutor had this tape. why would they wait this long until it only comes to the public eye to bring this case and to do something about it? i think it is absolutely outrageous. and the president -- >> we need to find who the authorities had that tape. i'm out of time. you mentioned reverend warnick running in georgia. you've been pushing for maryland voting. could you tell us about that and what is the status of that now? i wanted to get you on that before i let you go. >> thanks. thanks, al. we have to get this done in this next package to get funding to the state so you don't have that

situation where people in garbage bags and homemade masks are standing in line in the rain like we saw in wisconsin while the president of the united states can simply request a mail-in ballot from palm beach, florida, and vote in the luxury of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. everyone should have that right. and we should also use this funding to make sure polls are open 20 days in advance, and that we train a new generation of poll workers. we must make this election safe for americans and the president can say what he wants. the people are with us, al. they're with us in swing states, in north carolina, and in iowa. they're with us in states that understand that with republican governors as well, everyone, no matter what your political persuasion, you should be able to vote safely. and so it is going to be on my republican colleagues if they do not allow for some funding to make sure americans can vote safely. our state and local governments don't have the money now around the country. that's what's going to be this

big fight coming up in the next legislative package. we have to protect our very democracy. >> well, thank you for being with us on mother's day. happy mother's day, senator amy klobuchar. my best to your husband, who won his battle with covid-19. joining me now, donna shalala of florida, also a former health and human services secretary under president bill clinton. thank you for being with me, congresswoman. let me start right there, you as a former secretary of health and human services, how do you grade how this administration has handled this health emergency in terms of covid-19? >> i give them an f. there is just no question. they did not put in place either the testing regime, or get supplies, ppe supplies out to the country. they haven't led clearly, the

president has stepped all over the scientific messages, they haven't allowed the public health and the scientists to be in front on this. and as a result, thousands of people have died, i believe unnecessarily because we should have taken a strong stand from the beginning. we should have hit this thing with a hammer, and organized at the national level to purchase all of the supplies we needed and really to engage the public with clear messages. this is a disaster. >> when this became known to the administration in january, and they are taking it less than aggressive position and moving forward, you're saying that you think that contributed to the amount of lives that we lost? >> yes. there is no question about it. the slowness of the response, but once it became really apparent to everyone in the

country, they needed to hit covid-19 with a hammer, with the strongest possible strategy that they could have hit and they did not. we're still struggling to get ppe. we're still struggling to get masks to everyone. and now states are talking about opening up and who are they opening up for? and who is get -- who gets to go to work? african-americans, hispanics, working class people, that's what retail and restaurants are all about. are they going to get tested the way the white house is testing. the white house is testing people every day. is that the standard for the country? because i can assure you that people in restaurants and in retail that are going to have to go back to work, people that are working in hospitals, the police officers, the fire officers, they're not being tested every

day. the people that are cleaning our buildings, they're not being tested every day. so why should the white house single itself out, live in a bubble, and not understand the risks that they're putting americans through? >> you're a congresswoman in florida and georgia and other states are reopening. and there are reports that people from your state are going to georgia and -- because they can get certain things there that is not yet available in your state, other states are having people travel to other states that are opening, coming back, do you fear they would be bringing back the possibility of infections because they're going into these states where they can do things they may not be able to do, get certain things done, get a haircut or something similar and then come back to florida or other states? does that raise a concern of danger to you? >> that's the problem, not having national leadership and a

national standard. what happens in georgia comes to florida. and to every other state that people travel from. we cannot have separate standards in each state. the cdc has laid out vague standards. i understand they have more detailed standards, we are one nation and what happens in one part of the country affects the other part of the country. and therefore we needed from the beginning strong federal leadership, working with the governors, based on science and we just didn't get this. guess who got hurt? african-americans, hispanics, low income working class whites, the people that have to be on the job all over our country and the people that are being brought back. the percentages of minorities that have been directly affected

because of the weakness of our healthcare system, the lack of national leadership is outrageous and not acceptable to anyone in this country. >> let me ask you, we have seen some cases in florida of successfully prosecuted, the case of mclaughlin in clear water, florida, i was involved in the case of -- of jones, cory jones in palm beach, florida. how do you react to how law enforcement appears to have handled this case of arbery, two months before we get an arrest and we find out there was a tape there. as one that say congress person in a state that has in last three years, i named two of them, seen a situation of someone killed, racial overtones, and successful prosecutors come in and prosecute a case, how do you look at this arbery case? >> you know, reverend jackson, i think it is a hate crime. i think it is clearly a hate

crime, the fbi should be there. the justice department, the civil rights division, i don't know where they are. but they ought to be there and investigating. i don't -- i just don't understand why it would take two months other than the buddy system, those killers said when they were asked by the 911 dispatcher what crime this man committed, this young man committed, they said he was running down our street. that's not their street. it is his street. as much -- it is my street. it is our street. it is not their street. and, you know, very clear to me this is a hate crime and the justice department as weak as it is, and the fbi should have been there within days. >> all right. and by the way, congresswoman, i'm reverend sharpton, reverend jackson is the older one, but i'm sure you -- >> i'm sorry.

reverend sharpton. i'm sorry. >> you called somebody's name, i do admire and respect, but thank you for being with me tonight. i know i'll never hear the end of that from him. >> thank you. thank you. for some analysis, let's bring michael steele, the former chairman of the republican national committee and an msnbc political analyst and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university and the host of the podcast faq nyc. let me start with michael steele, when you look at the unemployment numbers that have come out now, we're looking at 20 million people unemployed, filing for unemployment insurance, just in april. we're talking about 33 million jobs. and this was going to be the economy, how the president ran his re-election campaign.

that, yes, you might not like how i may behave or things i may say or tweet, but look at the economy. that's gone now. what can the president run on now, what is he going to say? >> he'll continue to run on that. there is no doubt about it. he'll refashion it, and say yes, you know, coronavirus played a role here, but, again, our solution to the coronavirus and our response to that was more detrimental and more harmful to the economy than the virus itself. they already set that particular argument out there. i think the other thing that you'll see began to happen is a narrative not just around the economy, but then around some of the social issues that are attendant to this crisis as well, and sort of playing up, you know, the sort of tensions that can emerge as we see as people show up at state house

capitals with the confederate flags and armed to the teeth, that, again, becomes part of a narrative. remember, the president himself said these people, you know, they're frustrated and they have a right to go out and do this. okay. but as a leader of a country at a time of crisis, arming people through your words are not necessarily the kind of response or solutions that the rest of us are hoping for or need from the president. . i think you'll see a two tiered approach here where it is yes, the economy is hurt, that's because we overreacted and then, of course, the social tensions that are underneath as we saw before with caravans coming across the border that weren't existent and putting the blame on a particular community of color for the plight of white america, that narrative is still going to be very much in play. >> so then, professor, would it

not be the democrats that would have to raise what you just heard congresswoman shalala say that had you responded earlier in january, when doctor fauci who said on this show he informed the white house in mid-january that a pandemic was pending, if you had operated then, there would not have been the economic fallout we all are suffering with now as well as many of the deaths and those that have been found to be positive. >> right, but for so many of his supporters, it doesn't matter for them. they see donald trump as the leader and it is organized and so part of the strategy of the president and its entire administration is to consistently pass the blame. so now he's creating chaos and confusion, so you can put all the economic hardship on the part of the governor, democratic or republican. you and i both live in new york city, we know that this is long past the expiration date of when donald trump is usually still around, holding the bag for the

bad deals he's made. normally he's long gone and he leaves the innocent people, people who make their mark to pick up where he left off. he can't do that in this particular instance, so he's going to find a way to say, well, i still had it under control, it is just that it is not my fault as he said very clearly from the rose garden, that nothing is his fault. so we're going to see him passing the blame to governors when they're in his party or not. >> let me go ask you this, let me go back to you, michael steele, you were the chair of the republican party. this week the presumptive democratic nominee former vice president joe biden released a 22 page black agenda for dealing with racism and institutional racism in the united states. though you are not chairing the party anymore, and not one that has been involved in the trump administration, have you seen

any document, any plan or any agenda for black america from president trump because as far as i can see, his agenda has been what have you got to lose to black america and he's answered that, i think, in volumes, but have you seen any specific plan that he has laid out for black america that is opposite of the plan that the presumptive duemocratic nominee has laid out? >> it has taken a different form so you start, reverend, with the narrative that black unemployment is the lowest it has ever been and you heard the president say that over the last two and a half years fairly consistently and that's been the sort of driving narrative that he's pushed at there. what is coupled with that is the efforts by some in the party, whether it is in the criminal justice area, the work that senator tim scott has done there, along with the work that

he's done on opportunity zones, that narrative has kind of gotten folded into an overall narrative about what benefits have been put forth on behalf of some of the concerns within the black community, largely around economic issues. the social issues, of course, become a very different conversation when you talk about the criminal justice system, the rest of the criminal justice system in terms of what we just saw with miss arbery, just this past week. that narrative now unfolding two months later. and the relative silence on what it means to be a black man in america jogging today. so you're going to see not so much dancing on the last point, a lot more emphasis on the former, again around the -- under the umbrella, what have you got to lose, you didn't do well under obama, you didn't do well before, i come along, the

world is a lot better, unemployment is down, but then the rest of this narrative, that narrative back to your first question becomes problematic. because right now black unemployment has shot up to 16%. >> that's right. >> how do you reconcile that narrative. >> we didn't get a lot of the stimulus package given the numbers we're pushing now, make sure that small businesses go and get what money is left and apply for that. i'm out of time, christina greer, i owe you one and michael steele, thank you both for being with me. coming up, as the nation continues to recover from the coronavirus pandemic, a select committee in the house of representatives is now working on ways to help americans weather the crisis. i'll speak with one member of that panel, bill foster, of illinois, about what they're cooking up in congress. but first, my colleague richard lui with today's top news

stories. >> more confirmed cases of coronavirus to tell you about today across the united states bringing the total to 1.3 million across the country, more than 80,000 people have died so far. more states are ready to open up, starting tomorrow, kentucky and new hampshire will ease lockdown restrictions. restaurants in arkansas, arizona, indiana will be open for business, but there will be some new guidelines there. hair salons and barbershops will also open in mississippi. and most of florida. also starting tomorrow, passengers boarding flights with american, southwest and alaska airlines will be required to wear face masks. the airlines will provide one if passengers do not have one. a mask will also be required for riders on amtrak. meanwhile, there will be a two-week mandatory quarantine for travelers heading to france. the requirement also applies to french nationals, but the country will begin easing its strict lockdown policy for citizens tomorrow.

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with over 1.3 million cases of coronavirus in the united states, and over 80,000 deaths, americans are looking to congress for support. the legislature appropriated more than $2.6 trillion in relief. but millions of people are still struggling the as the pandemic continues to worsen in some states. and in an effort to conduct oversight into the allocation of those funds, house democrats have formed the house select committee on the coronavirus crisis, led by majority whip john clyburn of south carolina. joining me now is a member of that committee, democratic

representative bill foster of illinois. thank you for being with us. >> thank you, al. happy to be here. >> let me ask you this, days after the formation of the committee, republicans finally named members. but they're still calling the committee partisan, in quotes. why do you think the gop is so resistant to oversight? >> well, i think that they're very nervous about their ability to defend the response of the trump administration. you know he, when president obama referred to the trump administration's response to the coronavirus as a chaotic disa disast disaster, i think he was mincing words. that's not the main focus of what this committee is going to be doing. what we're going to be doing is making sure the money that is going out, the assistance that is going out, the medical supplies that are going out are going where they're needed and where the american people expect them to go. >> now, we have seen that as i

said over $2 trillion has gone out and the committee has already identified large companies who have claimed federal loans meant to help small businesses. and have asked for money back. what happened if they refuse to give the money back? >> well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. they did this against the advice of the small business administration, they were advised in some information that was put out that they probably would not qualify. and every one of these loans if they expect to get them forgiven in the end, there is going to be an audit to make sure the proper requirements were met. that's part of it. the other thing going forward, chairman maxine waters and i have been working on new legislative language to make sure in future versions of the c.a.r.e.s. act and the ppp program that if there isn't enough money to go around, we're in the going to see a repeat of

what we saw where these smallest businesses were in the back of the line. we're going to put small business at the front of the line, and to make sure the banks and the small banks that are the really the best friends of many of the smallest businesses, that they are appropriately rewarded. but bringing in small and new customers. >> right. well, and many of us i know many of the churches around the country that have viral services have been pushing for small businesses to go and apply and using the community banks, black-owned banks and others that had trouble with some of larger banks and we listed them and many of the civil rights organizations website. i know national action network has, right to your point, there is still some money that i understand is still there for small businesses. >> that's right. and we want to make sure -- >> go ahead. >> yeah. >> go ahead. >> early disclosures from the paycheck protection plan, though, show that federal loans

have gone to major trump donors. how will the committee ensure the president isn't profiting personally from this crisis with his businesses? >> well, there is explicit language in there that was negotiated very carefully at the last minute to make sure that none of -- no politician, no senator, no member of the house and no senior member of the administration will benefit from any of these assistance programs. and we're going to have to -- one of our oversight jobs is to make sure the letter of the law is adhered to. >> so that is in the actual legislation and is a matter of monitoring and enforcement? >> correct. >> all right. i did not know it was in the legislation. so as we move forward, is it your forecast that there is going to be another stimulus bill needed and there needs to

be continued oversight by this committee as we both structure that if in fact it happens and make sure that it is adhered to? >> yes, there clearly is a need for additional assistance and it is not just to the small businesses, which will clearly need it, that fund is, i believe, going to run dry fairly quickly when all of the millions of small businesses had proper access to it. but we are also going to have to see that the medical equipment is being dispensed properly, that we don't see it piling up in certain areas when there are other areas of much greater need. my district represents the second, third and fourth largest city of illinois. and it has wealthy areas, but also areas of generational poverty in them. and there was a big problem with the equity of healthcare distribution long before the coronavirus hit and the

coronavirus is amplifying the existing problems. and so one of the things our committee women ill be looking understanding where the true need is and how it is being met. >> congressman bill foster, thank you for being with us tonight. coming up, as we celebrate mother's day today, one segment of parental population is still suffering much worse than their white counterparts. stay with us. that's ahead. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams. spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair today.

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there is a fight over some -- we're having some technical difficulties. so let me go into this, there is a fight over face masks and where and when you should be wearing one. it is an issue dividing a lot of people and now some of those disagreements are turning violent. nbc's sarah harmon has more. >> don't touch me! that's the second time you've touched me! >> reporter: cell phone video taken by nick connolly at a giant eagle grocery store in pennsylvania. >> we live in america. if you have -- you have a note to not wear a mask, look at this. >> reporter: connolly told nbc news, the confrontation occurred as he tried to explain he has a doctor's note exempting him from

wearing a mask due to panic attacks. do you feel when you go into a grocery store without a mask you're putting anyone else at risk? >> that's hard to say. that's a really tough question for me to answer. no. me personally, if i was scared, i would stay home. i'm just not scared. >> reporter: contacted by nbc news, the store responded, we're committed to safeguarding the health and well-being of our team members and guests while creating a safe and comfortable environment for everyone. it is the latest in a growing number of incidents across the country. in michigan, three people have now been arrested and charged with first degree murder in connection with the fatal shooting of a security guard at a family dollar store over a dispute about masks. >> extremely senseless over a mask. >> reporter: in miami beach, a publix customer went on a explicit rant after being denied entrance for not wearing a mask. >> i'm filing a [ bleep ] lawsuit. >> reporter: an off duty officer

was seen body slamming a woman at a walmart when she allegedly refused to wear a mask. but for today's business owners, requiring masks is a fraught decision, will and amy wilson have run this salt lake city butcher shop for 30 years and made masks mandatory. >> i can't tell you how ugly some of the comments started to come in where we were called nazis, just all sorts of things, and it hurts. >> reporter: they say it is to protect their employees, amy is immunocompromised. >> we're not political. we're not making a political statement. we're not trying to be right. we're just trying to be right minded. >> reporter: wearing a mask an increasingly polarized decision with very real consequences. sarah harmon, nbc news. >> my thanks to sarah harmon. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us.

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day edition with remembrance of a very special matriarch we lost today. betty wright, one of the mothers of funk and modern soul music, passed today at the age of 66 after battling cancer. her songs were a sound track for an entire generation of black women who identified with her phenomenal voice and relatable song writing. and she had swagger.

like so many, i was saddened to hear of her passing. i'm one with her fans, and offer condolences to her four children. we have lost this weekend, the irreplaceable little richard, one of the real giants in american music, and one of the forerunners of rock & and roll. and music mogul andre harrell, who in his last conversation that we know of thursday evening, he was on the phone trying to organize hip top community to get around voting rights and to do something for the ahmaud arbery move for justice. those three people changed music, changed culture, and gave their lives and their living for more than themselves. i thought most of today about my own mother who passed eight years ago. she used to love to quote to me a sermon we heard in church of a minister that says, you are born on this day.

there is dash, and you die on that day. that is what they will write when you go. you can do anything about your birth date or your death date. but you have everything to do with that dash in the middle. those three worked their dash, as you and i are still here, let's work our dash, and let us work our dash to have meaning so that whenever we meet our day they can say as i can say about betty wright, and little richard, and andre harrell, we are saddened to see them go, but they worked their dash. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i will see you back here tonight when i join "kasie d.c." at 7:00 eastern. and of course next saturday on an all new "politics nation." up next, krins jansing picks up our news coverage.

-- chris jansing.

right now, it feels like the world standing still. but if you look to the land, it's a whole different story. from farms to backyards, wheels are turning. seeds are being planted. animals are getting fed. and grass is growing. and families are giving their all to the soil because no matter how uncertain things get, the land never stops. so to all those linked to the land, we say thank you. we're here for you because we all run together. i'll start... oh, do you want to go first? no, no i don't...you go. i was just going to say on slide 7, talking about bundling and saving...umm...

jamie, you're cutting out. sorry i'm late! hey, whoever's doing that, can you go on mute? oh, my bad! i was just saying there's a typo on slide 7. bundle home & auto for big discosnouts. i think that's supposed to say discounts. you sure about that? hey, can you guys see me?

i'm chris jansing. thank you for joining us on this mother's day. we have a lot to cover this hour, including a growing number of children dying from a mystery covid-related illness. we will talk to a researcher who is trying to get to bottom of that developing story a little bit later. first let's get the facts. trump administration officials are predicting that the soaring unemployment rate could get much worse. the white house economic adviser said on cbs's face the nation this morning the jobless rate could rise above 20% by next month. treasury secretary steven mnuchin went even further telling fox news that 25% is possible in come months. and he continued to press for a return to work even