i'm chris jansing. thank you for joining us on this mother's day. we have a lot to cover this hour, including a growing number of children dying from a mystery covid-related illness. we will talk to a researcher who is trying to get to bottom of that developing story a little bit later. first let's get the facts. trump administration officials are predicting that the soaring unemployment rate could get much worse. the white house economic adviser said on cbs's face the nation this morning the jobless rate could rise above 20% by next month. treasury secretary steven mnuchin went even further telling fox news that 25% is possible in come months. and he continued to press for a return to work even as three

members of the white house coronavirus task force are self quarantining after possible exposure to covid-19. dr. anthony fauci, the cdc director and the fda commissioner all have come into direct contact with at least one of two house aides who tested positive for the virus. meanwhile moor states are set to ease restrictions. you new hampshire, construction, car dealerships and horse racing can restart their businesses in kentucky. and most restaurants can begin limited dine-in services this week in arkansas, indiana and arizona. in california, where many restrictions are still in place electric car maker tesla decided to sue alameda county to challenge the shutdown of its factory. elon musk tweeted saturday that the county's order was the final straw and he is now considering moving the company's headquarters to texas or nevada. lastly, the united states surpassed another grim

milestone. more than 80,000 people have died of covid-19 in the u.s. 1.3 million people have been infected. let's get right to nbc's monica alba at the white house. monica, let's start with the dire unemployment predictions coming from the white house. what more can you tell us. >> reporter: those were grim numbers following that staggering jobs report that we did expect to be tough. and now what is significant is that white house officials are saying they should be bracing for an even tougher report next month, signaling that that unemployment rate could go all the way up to 20 or 25%. and as we reported earlier in the week, the president has even been shown some projections privately that show unemployment could go up as high as 30%. and that really has him rattled and concerned not just over his re-election chances but how he pitches reopening the country and getting the economy back on track as the virus continues to

ravage the nation and we exceed 80,000 deaths as you just laid out there. a dual challenge for the white house to say that it is safe to go back to work and get the economy and companies going again while also trying to assure people that it is safe to do that. so for now, there is a pause on any potential next phase in a relief package. that's something that could come down the line, but advisers are waiting to see. but steven mnuchin, the treasury secretary said today that it is a considerable risk to keep the economy close and that's why it is important to keep businesses getting back open, chris. >> they are talking about people getting back to work even as some people at the white house are not going to work. dr. anthony fauci is self quarantining as long with two others after two people at the white house tested positive. what's mood at the white house this the wake of that diagnosis? >> there is panic.

two aides were the first examples of staffers close to the president and the vice president on a dily white house. that sent shock into the staff here who had questions whether they had come into contact with those individuals whether or not they need to go into self quarantine as the top three doctors are doing, leading by example and telling americans if they are going the offer that advice they are going to do the same after being exposed to somebody infected. the president and the vice president continue to project optimism. they are tested daily. the white house tells us that's a key part of knowing they are kept safe. they have also put in place other procedures and measures here such as more face coverings with the u.s. secret service agents. >> thank you, monica. let me bring into the discussion robert costa, dr. patel of the brookings institution. ned price a former special assistant to president obama.

ned, kevin hassett answered the question a lot of people had when they heard about the two confirmed cases at the white house. let me play that for you. >> it is scary to go to work. i think that i would be a lot safer if i was sitting at home than i would be going to the west wing. it is a small, crowded place. it is a little bit risky but you have to do it because you have to serve the country. >> you know, ned, what it is like to work in that building. what do you make of what is happen willing and what we just heard from monica about the fear? >> risky chris, that we heard from the economic adviser. those binge watching the old television series the west wing will be left with misimpressions. the subjectiveness impression is that the american president and the team around him are always guided by right and act in the best interests of the american people. that of course hasn't always happened in this trump white house. far from it. the objectiveness is the idea is

that this west wing is the large luxurious patch of real estate. it is powerful, but it is far from roomy. in fact most of the president's senior advisors, his national security adviser, chief of staff, deputy steve of staff and others are within a couple of hundred feet of the oval office. many of the west wing offices have open floor plans. i can recall many occasions when i was running to a meeting and almost knocked over the president or vice president just because everything is so cramped within this very small plot of land. on top of that the white house's practices aren't built for a pandemic. let me give you an example. in the national security realm when there is a sensitive piece of intelligence it is walked around in hard cope. the president and those around him all sign their name after reading this same document. of course these practices have to change. things like travel. if the president does, indeed, revamp and reup his travel

schedule in the coming days and weeks, motorcades, cramming on board air force one all of that will leave the white house staffers exposed in what is essentially a powerful petrie dish at the center of washington, d.c. >> yeah. i think it is one of the things that stunned me the most. maybe i had watched the west wing through probably two or three times and how small everything is, and how closely everyone is packed in there. dr. patel, you see these folks who are scared working there. and working in a place where everyone is tested at least weekly. those in regular contact with the president, we are told, are tested daily. contrast that with you have all of these businesses that are reopening. they don't necessarily have plans in place or can't get tests. if it can be in the white house, the coronavirus, contracted by a person who was in contact with the president and another who was in close contact with the vice president, what should workers who have to go to regular old offices, retail

stores, and restaurants think? >> it is absolutely the most important question, and one that i think every american is wrestling with, including employers. i think that workers for example, in many large companies, they have already stated that if you can telework from home, even for the remainder of the year, many companies are actually moving in that direction. if you are a worker who can't do that, because of the nature of your job, et cetera, then you are looking at what is unfolding in the white house and thinking that that's exactly what could happen to me. i will say, though, however, chris, this is an example of why you have to follow the lead of public health experts and wear a non-medical mask. you are starting to see that with folks entering into the west wing now. you have to practice social distancing like kevin mentioned and extreme hand hygiene meaning washing your hands as much as possible which i know a lot of americans are doing. even with those measures we are watching how infectious this virus really is. and it is -- i think what you see playing out at 1600

pennsylvania avenue is exactly what many americans are fearing as we are reopening cities and towns around the country. >> yeah, robert, this is not what the president wants the american people focused on, people in the white house who are sick. he wants to focus on the economy. his top financial adviser sounding the alarm today. let's play a little bit of that. >> aren't we talking close to 25% at this point, which is great depression neighborhood? >> chris, we could be. but let me just emphasize, unlike the great depression where you had economic issues that led to this, we closed down the economy. >> kevin, how high do you think unemployment is going to get this year? >> you know, i think that just looking at the flow of initial claims, that it looks like we are probably going to get close to 20% in the next report. >> and here's another piece of breaking news that tells us just how concerned they are there about the health. contrast that to the economic message. we are hearing that the vice

president is going to take the advice of the white house medical unit. let me go back to monica alba. monica, what exactly does that mean? >> reporter: this is significant, chris. this is just breaking, coming in to us now, with a senior administration official telling my colleague kelly o'donnell that the vice president is going to be taking a couple of days to reevaluate exactly how he is going to be interacting with people given his exposure to a staffer, his own press secretary, who did test positive for coronavirus. what does that mean? we don't know exactly. they are not using the words "quarantine" or "self isolating" in the way we have seen dr.s redfield, fauci and hahn commit to. but the white house is discussing the best ways to go forward. whether that is adjusting his schedule. last night the president had a meeting with senior military leadership that the vice president we are told was cleared to attend. what was notable, he did not

attend the meeting, didn't come to the white house. the vice president hasn't had any public events this weekend. we are not sure when his next public event will be. but it seems that for the next few days he won't be coming to the white house directly. he might be participating in meetings remotely via video conference as we have seen so many other officials do. all of that is out of an abundance of caution. the vice president is tested daily. we are told as recent as today he has tested negative for coronavirus. >> robert costa, let me getter reaction. again, a senior white house official that kelly talked to says this is not self isolation. that would be an exaggeration. this is less than that. but, clearly, something happened that made him decide to step back at least for a couple of days. >> it's a challenge that the vice president and the whole white house will have to confront in the come days. just a few weeks ago i was the pool reporter when vice president pence went to the air force academy for its

commencement exercise. and he was part of this push early on inside of the white house to get back into the country to begin traveling again. we have seen the president on the road as well. now, if the vice president, due to his contact with a staffer who has contracted the virus tested positive, he may have to pull back those plans on travel. and that's been clear to me in recent conversations with white house officials, that a lot to be up in the air because of the way the virus is now inside the white house, in different respects. still, the president's strategy and the vice president's strategy remain unchanged, encouraging states to reopen. there are challenges in these states with testing, whether businesses feel they can reopen without liability protection. republicans in congress are pushing for that. but many democrats have concerns that consumers and workers, if that kind of legislation passes, will not be -- they will not have the kind of protections they deserve. >> i wonder, doctor, what you

make of this decision. obviously, you have someone who is very, very close to the vice president who tested positive, somebody that he was around a lot. but two days -- he is being tested. he's tested every day. that's what they have been doing as a matter of course. but to lay low for a couple of days? does that make medical sense to you? >> well, it would make perfect medical sense to kind of follow what the fda commissioner and the head of the cdc and each dr. fauci are doing and try to move towards as much of an isolated environment as possible. i will be candid. i am not sure what a couple of days really buys you because we know this virus can be present before testing for several days. that's why we recommend at least a 14-day isolation period. but at least -- i have to say this, chris. i mean it's exactly why people in not just the west wing but in all the kinds of government

buildings around the west wing are exhibiting this kind of utter state of medical chaos. about you the vice president, especially considering he went to a medical facility recently without a mask. remember, that's to protect others from you. i think that his kind of staying within isolation for at least several days must be a recalculation of what the movements are going to be for someone who is clearly an essential person, but could potentially be a source of the virus himself along with his staff. >> and this actually, ned, would fly in the face of what several senior officials told the "new york times," which was that the president and vice president didn't see like that they had to be separated from each other, concerns that if they both got sick with covid, you want the president and the vice president not to be in a situation where they could both be sick at the same time. what do you make of this decision by the vice president? >> you know, chris, listening to the white house's response to

these health scares over the past couple days, there have been times where it has been nothing less than infuriating because if you lip to the white house explain it, it is simple. in fact, they are right about this. the answer is to test often and to conduct contact tracing for anyone who may have been exposed to the virus. the problem is that that may work for the white house even though there will be some hiccups as we are seeing now with the vice president and several aides around him, even forced into self quarantine. the challenge the country as a whole can follow that simple advice because we still lack the number of tests and the number of contact tracers that we need. most recently this country was conducted about 250,000 tests a day. researchers indicate we need about 900,000 tests a day. and that number will only increase as states begin to open up more and more. it is comfortable to hear that the white house has a plan for itself. i think the nation would be more

confide comforted if we knew that everyone followed that strategy, every city, every state, every locality could follow that strategy to safely open up, safely conduct business, to safely get back the our lives. >> we should point out that the vice president has continued to test negative. the white house again saying this is out of an abundance of caution. they are going to follow the advice of the white house medical unit. but if there were no restrictions on his activities, robert, costa, this points to a problem arc criticism, that has been focused very much on this administration, which there seems to be no sleer set of guidelines, no clear path. nobody was wearing a mask. and then we saw that secret service people who were around the president were wearing a mask. we saw people very close to one another, including the president, the vice president, the members of the coronavirus task force. and then you have a situation where we hear now that the

president gets very nervous if people get too close to him. he is a well-known self proclaimed germophobe. tell us what you know up until this point of again the break news that the vice president is going to step back for a couple of days since he was close to someone who tested positive about the confusion within the white house about what they were doing. >> inside the west wing, in recent weeks, not just recent days, you had senior officials be tested on a regular basis but not necessarily on a daily basis. people who have come in contact with the president, many of them have gotten a temperature check from a white house official but not necessarily a test. those who are traveling with the president or vice president are usually given a coronavirus test. that's what led to the white house finding out about one of its employees, and the valet as well. so you have a white house that is very much in terms of its rhetoric right now in a gunning

how -- gung ho position when it comes to opening the economy. but the reality is it has become an issue inside the white house and for the president himself as they try to encourage the country to reopen. this is something every source, when they are talking to reporters it begins the conversation, because it is personal. it is a human issue for them. it is not just a political strategy. >> again, just to tell people again that break news, that sources have told us at the white house that the vice president is going to -- although have no restrictions, out of caution he is going to take a couple of days to be very low key. at this point for a day or two. give a little distance, self isolation, which is what we are seeing from three members of the coronavirus task force. they say it would be an exaggeration for what vice president pence, dr. pattel, stay with us, robert costa and

price thank you for staying with us through the breaking news. still to come, the misreillness targeting children. doctors aren't sure what connection it has to the coronavirus. what parents should know. up next, coronavirus hitting communities of color particularly hard. now there is a new effort in new york the address that. working with churches. and it could be a model for the rest of the country.

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about the impact of the coronavirus on communities of color. a cdc report found that while african-americans are 13% of the population, they make up 33% of the covid-19 hospitalizations in the u.s. and now there's a comprehensive new survey in new york. it looked at 21 zip codes with the highest number of cases. 20 of the 21 have larger than average black and or latino populations. so governor cuomo this weekend announced a plan to use churches

in those communities that are now closed for services and make them testing sites. >> they are going to set up 22 additional testing sites at churches in predominantly minority communities. this is a different kind of partnership. it's creative, but it's necessary. >> joining me now, the reverend drafd braly of st. paul community baptist church in bill clinton. and a former north carolina state supreme court justice now running for congress. great to see both of you. reverend braly, let me start with you. why did you decide that your church should be used toer this program? >> well, many of the members of our church are essential workers and been deeply affected by covid-19. we as pastors have to do the congregational care. we have to do the funerals. we are deeply impacted.

and so we see ourselves as essential to the fight. america is in the storm right now. but we are not all in the same boat. our community is being impacted in ways that others are not. so, certainly, we have to get into this fight. >> do you know, reverend, do you have members of our congregation who have tested positive? >> yes, we had members who tested positive. we have actually had to do some of the funerals and many of my colleagues have done many funerals. we have been devastated by covid-19 in our community. >> what have you heard from members of your congregation? do you think they are more likely to feel comfortable coming to a church for a test than to say a hospital or any other kind of testing facility? >> i want to first of all thank governor cuomo and the congressman for recognizing that this partnership makes sense. in the past, we have had partnerships with the d.a. of brooklyn of we have had gun byback programs that have worked

and been very successful. we have had the courts come into the church to adjudicate low-level offenses. so we have the capacity. we have the relationships. metro ief are the organization that i am with and lead, i am part of the leadership, has organized had 00 institutions. churches, synagogues, mosques and all of us have the same concern. we know we can get in this fight and make a difference. >> justice itemons goodson, you wrote an op ed about some of the reasons why coronavirus is hitting communities of color hard, less access of course to regular health care, more preexisting conditions, many of them living in more densely populated neighborhoods. what do you think can be done about it? and what do you think about this kind of innovative solution? >> first let me say that this innovative solution is wonderful. this is the kind of thinking

that we must do in order to get a handle on this pandemic. i consider this thinking outside of the box. and i so applaud governor cuomo for his effort. but in terms of the kinds of things that we can do in addition to opening the enrollment period once more for the affordable care act so that individuals may be able to be brought in that way, another solution of course would be expanding the medicaid coverage so that more individuals can be treated and handled. but free testing. free testing is what it's going to take. the -- in order for us to get a handle on what's going on, we

need for -- to find out where the problems are. and this solution that has been proposed will certainly get us there. >> as elsewhere, the numbers in north carolina are not good for people of color. your state is 22% african-american. but 40% of covid fatalities. i was watching and i saw parks reopening yesterday. the raleigh newspaper reported one had to be shut down because it was at capacity. another had a long line of cars. south park mall in charlotte had lines of people waiting to get in. how are you feel about this phase of reopening? >> to tell you the truth, i'm scared. i don't believe that this nation has a handle yet on the problem. and for us to be going out almost as freely as before the

pandemic, i believe, puts us in an extremely precarious situation. >> patricia timmons goodson, rechbd braly, good luck with the testing program and much appreciation, i'm sure from members of your community for allowing your church to be used. thanks to both of you. still to come, reopening america. more than 40 states have now eased stay at home restrictions in some way. but are we doing it safely? a few sfroers overseas that could serve as a cautionary tale. i just love hitting the open road and telling people that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, so you only pay for what you need! [squawks] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ here's a razor that works differently. the gillette skinguard it has a guard between the blades that helps protect skin.

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breaking news from the white house this hour. vice president mike pence will work remotely for now as a precaution after his press aide tested positive for coronavirus. the white house stresses pence is following the guidance of medical personnel. he continues to test negative. this will likely be for a short time. we have more coming up on that on "kasie d.c."

by tomorrow, more than 408 states will have partially reopened after weeks of restrictions. as governors push ahead with their recovery plans despite health experts warning the risk of a second wave is real and the threat is far from over. >> it is a risk no matter what we do. it is a risk if we don't do anything. it is a risk if we do this. we wish we were going down. we are not. we have been hit in ohio just like other states have been hit economically. so we have got to try to do two thing at once. >> you know i have not been counting on the white house because there have been too many situations where they made promises and not delivered. we are going it alone as the white house has left all the states to do. >> we have nbc's practice sylla thompson on the ground in houston, texas. and gadi schwartz live in los angeles, and dr. priscilla

patel. the second phase of governor abbott's reopening plan went effect. movie thee tefrs, salons, restaurants all open for business. what are you seeing? >> reporter: we have seen folks flocking to the hair salons and the nail shops. i spoke with one salon owner who told me moments ago who told me once customers were walked through the safety protocols they felt more comfortable. we are here at the dish society where patrons were stopping in for mother's day lunch and dinner. all of the food was served in disposable containers and the customers weren't allowed inside the restaurant. i asked the own better that. listen to what he told me. >> the biggest reason that we didn't open the dining rooms is frankly our staff didn't feel safe. we didn't think it was the right

time and our customer didn't fell like it was the right time. we are doing everything to instill confidence in our team and our guests as well because their safety and their trust is our utmost priority. >> reporter: so we see businesses still working to grapple with this. that comes as governor abbott said he will allow fitness centers to reopen next. and some cities across the state are extending their stay-at-home orders through may. >> gadi, you have been at california flower mall all weekend. what are the crowds like there? >> i would love to get dr. patel's take on what we are seeing here. this is basically a little bit sloweran that what it was earlier. we have seen earlier thousands and thousands of people. some of them are not wearing masks. most of them are. the line stretches down the

block. they shut the doors to look look they are closed so people don't congregate. three blocks from here is skid row, homeless population of people not wearing masks. they are coming over here and panhandling. the question is what could happen now that we have had a crush of people here and what it could mean for los angeles. >> gadi, priscilla thanks to both of you. dr. patel, what goes through your mind when you see what is behind gadi? >> i am troubled. and we are seeing signals from our countries, germany, places that had strict lockdown policies and as they have been easing restrictions we are

seeing an upparticular in infections from large congregations places that have a vulnerable hot spot. it troubles me. i think that the tension here, chris s i completely agree, we need to think about how we can reopen the country. but we need to do it safely and with data. i think we are creating this almost false dichotomy or this false choice like you have to take your health or we have to open the economy. really what we are seeing in the images from texas, california, is that we could have had a third way or a different path where we had enough testing, enough protective gear, non-medical masks for anybody who can and should wear them. and actually practice much like a lot of the employers that you are seeing doing some of these safety precautions. chris what i take away from that is a worry that we are going to see an uptick even in places like california where they have been doing so much. but we should from a national level be doing more so we can actually protect americans and not create this false choice that it is the economy or your

health. >> if we are going to see an uptick in cases because of things reopening, because people walking around as we just saw without masks in close proximity to each other, how quickly would you expect us to see those numbers change? >> it will take -- it is not necessarily as quick as one might imagine. however, you are seeing, you know -- keep in mind it is about a ten to 14-day or a little longer delay. surely because we have already had some of the cities like atlanta and other parts of the country reopening, we are certainly seeing upticks in some of these areas. but you won't see these numbers -- another point just for fact. we are talking about an uptick. we as a country are still kind of dealing with our first wave. so this is kind of an uptick in a plateau and not necessarily even a quote second wave. but we should over the next several weeks start to see those increases in cases. >> before we go i want to ask

you again about vice president mike pence because we were talking earlier about his decision to sort of lay low for a couple of days. and you -- i got an email from you saying there may be a medical reason that they decided for that period of time. right? >> yeah. i just wanted to clarify, if this were think patient of mine i would say 14 days. but we know from emerging research, chris, it is really the kind of 48 to 72-hour period after an exposure when you have kind of the highest risk. so you could see his press secretary testing positive and then at least the best medical advice would be at a minimum of two or three days of kind of isolation f not 14, which seems unpractical for the vice president. so that could explain the timing. >> dr. patel, always good to see you. thank you so much. up next, a mystery illness possibly related to covid-19 that's claimed the lives of three young children in new york, made dozens more sick.

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there are now 85 cases in new york of children with an apparent covid-related mistry illness. it killed three children, a 5 and 7-year-old, and a teenager. two more additional deaths are waiting for confirmation. and there are other cases in other states. and more than 50 throughout europe. the state health commissioner said all of a sudden his office heard about children, some just toddlers who had not shown the typical respiratory symptoms of coronavirus but all testing positive for covid-19 or its anti-bodies. >> this is every paper's nightmare. nobody knew about it. nobody was watching for it. same stow of this virus from day

one. >> governor cuomo announced that rockefeller university and the new york genome center are working to better understand the covid virus in children. we have a representative from the genome center to discuss what we know and don't know about this. glad you are able to join us today. it has been described as similar to kawasaki disease, to toxic shock syndrome. what should parents be looking for? what are the symptoms here? >> the symptoms are that children have a hyper inflammation. their lips, their tongues turn red. they break out in a rash on various parts of their body. and it is a very clear and obvious disease. as it says here, there is objected nall pain associated with it. that's one of the most striking aspects of the disease. >> yeah, and the governor was

very quick to say look, an abundance of caution is good here. any of these symptoms in your kids, you should call your doctor. now i understand your research is going to start with pediatric samples. are these from those 85 patients? how many are you looking to collect? where are you starting here? >> well, i should point out that as most people know, very few children have died from this disease. they are the least vulnerable for this. so this recent finding is really quite shocking. and these kids are less than 5 years old. they have these very rapidlying proing disease. we need to find out what is the underlying basis for this. what we need to do is we need to sequence the viruses that they were infected with. we have to -- that is to determine their genetic makeup. we have to determine the children's general genetic

makeup using the latest genomic tools of all genome sequencing and sequence the cells from their body. [ no audio ] >> is he frozen -- >> until we actually do the experiments. >> we just lost him -- oh. [ no audio ] >> are you back up, doctor. the doctor, i wish we could have had more time with him. i know a lot of folks out there, could we put up the symptoms one more time. i did listen very carefully today as the governor and the state health commissioner talked about this. i know that these as the governor said are symptoms that parents may see for any number of things. but if they have a persistent fever, that rash, we have thooen se -- seen those rashes.

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was one tear that came down her left cheek, and she said, mom, it's okay. we've all got to do our part for corona. so i thought that was really cute of her. >> well, we've got a's reunion this mother's day. amy is a surgical trauma nurse with the stoney brook university hospital in new york. she's seen her daughter just five times since march 27th. as she and scores of front line responders battle the coronavirus outbreak, amy joins us now on this mother's day along with whitley who, by the way, just turned 9. >> hi. >> hi. amy, how great does it feel to be with your daughter on mother's day? >> oh, it's amazing. i'm so happy to be with her. we're so happy to be together. we went outside for a little bit in this very cold may. >> gentlemen. >> and we had lunch.

it's wonderful. >> whitley, it's not that often to see your time five times since march. what's this been like for you and how happy are you to be with your mom today? >> well, kind of sad because like i don't get to see her and i spend most of my time with her. our birthdays we usually go to florida every single year. but this year we couldn't go because the park was closed. and she started to work and i was only with my mima and my dad. so it was really sad to me. >> what about seeing me today? >> made me feel happy. that's pretty much all. >> i bet. you must be really proud of your mom, aren't you? >> yeah. >> yeah. how do you do this, amy? how do you balance? you have this incredibly important job. you have to balance that with your need to protect your

daughter from exposure to anything, with a mother's instinct both to protect her, but to get home and grab her and hold her tight. what's it been like navigating that? >> it's really hard actually and it's incredibly difficult. i am lucky that i have really great support in my mother and whitley's dad who take good care of her. and frankly, my auntie, too, she's been home schooling her. so all these people have played like an integral role in caring for my daughter while i've been able to take care of patients. it's really hard because you know, like when you don't see your child for a while or all of a sudden you see your kid, oh, my god, look how big they are. whitley actually looks different in the past two months. she doesn't look like the little girl whitley. she's kind of transforming into the pre-teen whitley. her face looks different. her stature is a little bit different. when i saw her for her birthday,

that's one of the times i came home, oh, my god, she looks different. my baby looks different. so that's kind of -- that's kind of unique, you know? because normally that's not the case. i'm discovering it. i'm not seeing it. >> so, you've had this help from other folks and including your own mother. what's your message to other moms out there today who are in your shoes, who have to be there on the front lines, but also for the folks behind the scenes who are helping in the way that you got help to make sure that whitley was okay? >> first of all, i want to say thank you. it's our honor to do the job that we do. we're incredibly grateful to do it. we all want to help people in my bowl anyway. frankly, when i go to the grocery store or i get gas for my car or i go and pick up food from different places, i always

thank everyone. i'm incredibly grateful for them because the truth is that the more that you're exposed potentially speaking to the virus, your viral load could potentially increase. so those people trying to honor human existence and allow us to live our life is really an amazing thing and we should be grateful for them. >> well, you are so selfless that you appreciate all of that after all that you have done and you have sacrificed. we thank you. amy and whitley, happy mother's day. best of luck, and we really do appreciate you sharing your story with us. >> bye. >> bye. >> that's it for this hour on msnbc. i'm chris jansing. thanks so much for watching. happy mother's day to all the moms out there, especially to those on the front lines or those who raise those who are on the front lines of this pandemic. the news will continue next with kasie hunt right after the break with the latest information on vice-president pence. have a great night.

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