if it's tuesday, it's "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd continuing msnbc breaking news coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. today we heard testimony via video conference from some of the white house top experts in a forum not controlled by the president and we heard a clear picture of the challenges this country faces to quickly and confidently reopen.

the president has been pushing and pushing hard for states to reopen. right now nearly state is easing ri strixs in one way or the other. the headline was warning as dr. fauci talked about the consequences of statesquick. >> there's a real risk you will trigger an outbreak you may not be able to control which will set you back not only leading to some suffering and death that could be avoided but could even set you back on the road to trying to get economic recovery. it would almost turn the clock back rather than going forward. that is my major concern. >> on the all important question of testing, while there's finally evidence that we are more quickly scaling up our capacity, it was bipartisan agreement at this hearing that the u.s. still is not doing enough. >> all roads back to work and back to school run through

testing. what our country has done so far on testing is impressive but not nearly enough. >> we need dramatically more testing. it's unacceptable we still don't have a national strategic plan to make sure testing is free, fast and everywhere. >> the warnings we heard today from health expert, daems and the republican chairman of the committee stand in stark contrast to liberate states in his claim the u.s. has prevailed on testing. the bottom line is the president's rhetoric has distorted and clouded what faces this country. here is the reality as dr. fauci's testimony made clear. we're starting to reopen before the virus has been fully contained. >> i just like to hear your honest opinion. do we have the coronavirus contained? >> senator, thanks for the question.

right now it depends on what you mean by coin tanment. if you think we have it fully under control, we don't. in other parts of the country we are seeing spikes. >> to be sure we are in a much better place in terms of hospital capacity, case loads and testing, than we were a few weeks ago. we're also slowly starting to see evidence that cases may be declining not just plateauing. because of this virus's incubation period we won't know for a number of days or perhaps two weeks if states are moving too quickly or slowly flight. we're living a 50 state experiment here. what this hearing did remind us of with a level of clarity the president has not provided is we aren't doing enough testing. we don't have the virus contained and moving too quickly

could have consequences in terms of life and economics. this did provide a road map to what a national testing and tracing program looked like if everybody rallied around a consensus that was growing. our nbc news team has the latest. let me start with you. let me just start with the initial white house reaction to what they heard from dr. fauci. what perhaps they heard from mitt romney, mike brawn. both of whom in different ways seem to raise some concerns about lost time here, if you will. whether it's at the bureaucracy level or the political level. how did the white house respond to this hearing? >> reporter: you mentioned republican senators. the white house didn't get the type of support from a public and the type of defense from republicans like they have seen

in past hearings. administration officials told me that going into this, they were anticipating that dr. fauci would paint a much less optimistic picture of the scenario than the president has. he has done that publicly and expected him to do that as well. a big concern the administration had going into this was there could be some tension that democrats would be able to stir up. it might look like there was a con tentious relationship here and they got the sound bite they wanted when senator asked if there was a contentious relationship and fauci said no. it's very important to them in the administration they keep -- make sure there's no daylight between president and dr. fauci. >> you know, garrett, if there was one person who i thought probably was getting the most heat of the people questioned, it was the cdc director. it seemed as if it was kelly

hitting him about explain the partnership in china. mitt romney where the heck are you guys. how come you're not the lead modeler on this. lighter hits at the cdc, the slow testing. why didn't you pick up south korea from others as well. it did seem like that was one that didn't look like the others. how's that? >> reporter: i think that's probably fair. this cdc was the punching bag to the degree there was one in this hearing. not just for those things but the thing that jumped out to me was on the question of tracing saying that the problem got too big for them. to abandon a model in which they were tracing individual cases. that's ultimately something we as a country are going to have to get back to. while i think fauci was the star of this hearing, he was the one who senators had the most questions for, i also thought the answers from the fda administrator was illustrative too because they were about vaccine production and distribution which is something

down the line that senators will have some say in. other than putting a spotlight on it, senators are not in the decision making chain on reopening states. that's a choice for mayors and governors. as we get into vaccine production, distribution, how it will cost and get afternoon the country, that's something this body will be very involved in and you saw them press the fda director on that which will ultimately have some long term value as well. >> i waknow the last thing you want to do is start backseat driving a successor and things like that, so i get that. if it did seem as if the cdc was used as a punching bag today. do you think it's been fair? >> this cdc recently developed guidance for the nation on how to reopen in a way that is safe

based on the best public health science. that's really what you want to see going forward. you hit it when you said not just testing but testing and tracing. we don't have the system in place. we have an invested in the system so we're able to test everybody that needs to be tested and do the tracing to figure out who they have been in contact with and provide the setting for people to isolate so they can't spread this disease. dr. fauci said if we open too quickly, we'll see spikes in disease and those spikes can get out of control very easily without the kind of public health system in place to contain this. we're not there yet. every one wants to get people back to work but they're only three states that currently report testing by race and ethnicity. we know that black americans, latinos, native americans are getting hit far more than anyone else. if you don't know whether you're doing adequate taes testing in the communities getting affected the most, how can you think about why widespread opening of

the economy. >> let me ask you this. at the end of the hearing, lamar alexander seemed to, and he's always gentle on the administration and a lot of people will make note of that. he seemed to set a marker down and in gentle as terms you can come up but nart mike brawn seemed to concur that that deadline seemed to be there which was by august 1st can we do enough testing and tracing that you can open up the university of tennessee and it's his home state but it's fair -- tennessee a big campus. if you can figure it out there, then maybe we can figure this out. is august a fair time line to test that premise? >> well, i think what you heard there is we don't have those pieces. when you think about what universities will look like, if they're able to open, it will look very differently than it does currently. the ability to not just test but when you get a result of the

tests, what are you going to do with it? where are you going to put students? how will you ensure not just students are safe, but how do you ensure that staff, faculty, the communities in which universities are located are safe? it can be done and cdc has been working on that but you want to make sure it's tone sldone slow carefully and based on the best science and not based on the desire to get back to life as it used to be. >> i actually want to go dig deeper on the school thing. i want to play dr. fauci's answer. i believe it was to rand paul, the senator from kentucky. who seemed to indicate that we have learned that kids are less likely to be hammered by this illness and dr. fauci brought up a warning. take a listen. >> we don't know everything about this virus. we really better be very careful when it comes to children. the more and more we learn, we're seeing things about what this virus can do that we didn't see from the studies in china or

in europe. for example, right now, children presenting with covid-19 who actually have a very strange inflammatory syndrome very similar to kawasaki syndrome. i think we better be careful in thinking this children are immune to the deleterious effects. >> the more you learn about this vi virus, the more we're like every week we learn about another symptom to look for in another age group. we don't narrow anything. we seem to be like this attacks more of the body than we thought. how much more don't we know here? >> yeah. well, chuck, these are early days. we have got this degree of uncertainty that is so unsettling. i'm a general pediatrician. what we're hearing now is that

children are not as safe as we thought. the pediatric multisymptom syndrome is starting to crop up. we don't know who is at risk for this and why. what's the best way to approach this for treatment. we have to move slowly, carefully with a lot of humility that its early days and what we don't know about this virus still far surpasses what we do know. >> is the white house testing and contact tracing program, is that the model that we should all be looking forward to. that's ultimately the model for getting people into schools. getting people into office buildings. is this basically daily testing or near daily testing and then isolating and quarantining?

>> i don't think it's necessarily near daily testing. the white house laid out gating criteria that should be in place before states start to think about opening up in terms of down toward trends in cases. having excess capacity in hospitals. being able to ensure workers going back to work have the protective equipment they need. hard working people in america want to know if they're going to back to work that their safety is the top priority. we've already seen so far that essential workers in america, high proportion, black and latino are getting hit really, really hard because they're not being protected as they should be. they're riding public transit. they are interacting with more people without the kind of protection that needs to be in place. we have recognize that as more people go to work, there will be increases in disease. if we're not able to test people in all communities, not just at

a good number at the state level. ensuring aum communities are being tested and contacts are being identified and people are being provided with safe places to quarantine, imagine being told you're positive for coronavirus and knowing that you have to go back to an apartment with other relatives who are at high risk and you don't have any choice in that. the systems that have to be in place have to make sure that every one in america can take the steps to protect themselves, their families and communities. we're not there yet. >> garrett, i want to dabble in a bit of senate politics. let me play mitt romney's extended critique on testing and i have a question for downthe other side. >> yesterday you celebrated that we had done more tests and more tests per capita than south korea. you ignored the fact they accomplished theirs at the beginning of the outbreak while we treaded water during february and march.

as a result by march 6th, the u.s. had completed just 2,000 tests where south korea had conducted more than 140,000 tests. as a result of that, they have 256 deaths and we have almost 80,000 deaths. i find our testing record nothing to celebrate. the fact is their test numbers are going down, down, down, down now because they don't have the outbreak we have. ours are going up to. i think that's an important lesson for us as we think about the future. >> garrett, we know that some senate republicans are wringing their hands about on testing, on some aspects of the response. we know mitt romney speaks for mitt romney and maybe that's about it, but, how much does his sentiment extend into that republican conference quietly? >> reporter: i think probably more than people realize at least on this issue of testing. this is somebody who almost

wasn't the republican nominee in 2011, 2012 because of his work on health care in massachusetts when he was governor. he knows what he's talking about on this. you saw little hints of this in some of the other republicans asking questions like bill cassidy who is himself a medical doctor. there are facts involved here. there are data that the white house has used suring up context to prop upscale of testing that romney just applied the context bakt to. there are plenty of people in the republican conference here in the senate who have to be much more politically careful about how and when they choose their spots to critique this white house than mitt romney does, but can read the data on a chart on e-mail or memo just as easily as he can. >> it was fascinating to see mike brawn make the same point but he put it at the feet of the cdc, the fda.

he did not put it at feet of the administration. shannon, i got to you about this presidential tweet. maib maybe it speaks for approval. he tweets this. remember this, every governor who has sky high approval on their handling of the coronavirus and i'm happy for them all, could have no way gotten those numbers or had success without me and the federal government's help from ventilators to testing we made it happen. you know, there's a lot of ways to interpret that tweet in so many different ways of tone and t tenor maybe it does maybe efb agree. >> reporter: the president had been frustrated that his poll numbers are really stuck and no matter how many times he screams he has testing under control and how many times the white house tries to tout his response and try move onto the economic message, the poll numbers aren't budging. they are baked into where they are. i was talking to an administration official who said they will try as much as they can but this is going to come

down to probably 10,000 votes in michigan once again and there's only so much they can do about it. >> the number one poll watcher these days is the man in that oval office. thank you both. always good to get your expertise. thank you all. up next, we'll dig into one of the biggest open questions. schools. what happens for student, teachers and parents in the fall? before we go do break, i wanted to talk for a moment about something that occurred on sunday's edition of meet the press. during the program we had a sound bite from a cbs news interview with the attorney general bill barr. in the bite we aired he was asked how he thinks the history of his decision to end the prosecution of the former national security adviser michael flynn will be written. mr. barr answered quote, history is written by the winner so it largely depend os on who is writing the history. in full version he went onto say, but i think a fair history would say it was a good decision because it upheld the rule of law. we did not edit that out.

that was not our edit. we didn't include it because we only saw the shorter of two clips that cbs did air. we should have looked at both and checked for a full transcript. i mistake i wish we hasn't made. the second part of the attorney general's answer would have put it in the proper context. had i seen that part, i would not have framed the conversation the way i did. i obviously have very sorry for that mistake. we strive to do better going forward. we'll be right back. to do betteg forward. we'll be right back. ♪ limu emu & doug

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what would you say to the chancellor of the university of tennessee knoxville or at the principal of a public school about how to persuade parents and students to return to school in august? >> i would tell her, i'm sorry, sir. in this case that the idea of having treatments available or a vaccine to facilitate the

reentry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. >> welcome back. senator lamar alexander chairing the hear. he opened and closed the hearing today asking about the issue of roping schools and safely getting students of all ages back in the classroom. if you can figure out the puzzle of getting students back on campus whether secondary or on universities, then you can figure it all out. let's bring in another former education secretary. i know you know senator alex alexander well. it was interesting he would frame it around that. if you can meet that metric on figuring out how to do testing and tracing for students, k through universities then it all works.

it's sort of like this is the most biggest, hardest piece of the puzzle. if you figure it out, everything else falls into place. fair? >> i think that's right. i think the goal is to not quote unquote persuade students and teachers to come back this fall. the goal is to make it safe enough for them to want to come back to school. we have a long way to go. we're not going have a vaccine. kwooer n we're not going to have a treatment yet. this idea of testing, tracing and separation, testing, testing, tracing, separation. that has to be the game plan everywhere. >> can you imagine how, let's say, i'm going to use schools you're familiar with, university of chicago, northwestern, can you imagine doing this fairly safely if we're in situation that has low level transmission

but the virus is still circul e circulating? >> i think this will be very hard particularly at the higher end level. we can talk about k-12 in a moment if you want to but the idea of having all these students living in a dormitory, eating together is very tough. universities are thinking about all kinds of different scenarios. maybe just bring back freshmen this fall. maybe use hotels and other facilities to spread people out. make think about giving every one their own room to live in. this will be very, very difficult at scale. i hate to be somber but i want to be honest. the idea of every university or college across the country magically reopening and going back to quote, unquote normal this fall, i think it's not just unrealistic, i think it's unsafe. >> it's sprpretty clear we're n going be on the same schedule. the president of howard university said the d.c. universities were contemplating an idea that shorten the

semester. he created a six week semester. get everybody out. get rid of one more month that you have flu season circulating on your campus. get everybody off of campus before thanksgiving if you even try to open. would you apply that down to talk about k through 12. should we be thinking about longer school days, longer school year or six day weeks for a shorter period of time? >> yes, one second then i'll shift to k to 12. trimesters versus semesters. people are thinking about that. having larger classes online and smaller classes in person. all these different scenarios university president vs to been involved in. on the k to 12 side, things that will look radically different. whether some students come to school monday, wednesday, friday. whether it's others coming

tuesday, thursday, saturday. whether it's a morning shift, an afternoon shift. the world we're going to be in is a hybrid world and it will be very complicated and hard. there are some student who is c -- student who is cannot come back to a physical school because they have someone at home with high risk and being raised by mother or grandfather or grandmother. maybe some teachers who can't come back not because of their own health but who is in their house. we'll have to be able to accommodate all these different scenarios school by school and grade by grade. that's the kind of thoughtfulness that we're going to need to kind of leadership, the kind of flexibility and the final thing i'll say is whatever we plan for, for the fall, unfortunately, those plans will change as this situation continues to evolve. we have to be very flexible. a guest talked about being humble, this is ultimate test. we have to be humble and make adjustments very fast of when we have to to try to keep adults

and students safe. >> what you're describing though in order to create laeearning environment will have to be a massive technological upgrade up our schools. you know the state of this. talk about uneven across the untu country. that's massively uneven and it's not something you can smooth out even in three months. >> it doesn't. it forces us to con front the wild inequities in education opportunity in our country. it's slapping us in the face. that's okay. fwheeds th we need that. we have talked about necessity of closing the digital divide that you serve every single child have access to a devees and internet and wi-fi so children don't have to learn in a physical building 9:00 to 3:00. they can learn anything they want any time, anywhere. we have to have the courage as a country to take this step. chicago public schools have given out 100,000 devices. boston has given out 30,000

devices. places like south bend, indiana have buses and wi-fi enable to disadvantaged communities to create hot spots. that's the kind of thinking we have to do at scale. we can't be satisfied with more, getting more education, the children in more disadvantaged communities getting less. that's unjust and unfair. we have to reimagine education and do something much better. use this crisis now to get that done once and for all. >> arnie duncan surfacing what needs to be a higher profile work. how will you get people back to work if their kids can't go to school. it doesn't seem if there's a coordinated plan yet. it will be community by community. even a coordinated plan of how that will be implemented or how that will go doesn't seem to be there yet. it's always good to have your point of view. thanks for sharing it with us. up ahead, the supreme court

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welcome back. the supreme court had another day of historic arguments all via telephone. they heard two highly anticipated cases involving prmps and tprmp president trump's taxes and records. the second is a subpoena from the manhattan district attorney who is seeking president trump's tax returns. the president was represented by jay secelo who said the subpoena is unconstitutional. that argument did not go by without a lot of push back even from some normally friendly courters. >> in other words, it's okay for the grant jury to investigate except it can't use the traditional and most effective device that grant juries have typically used which is the subpoena. >> you can't juice a subpoena targeting the president and under his article two responsibilities, that is our view would be inappropriate and

unconstitutional. we have not challenged -- >> i don't understand your theory in terms of distraction and all that would seem to go much farther than resisting the subpoena. >> with me now nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, first of all, it seems as if, am i reading correctly there's door number one they could decide. door number two they could decide and door number three, the decisions are the same, split decision or send it back. walk me through the se arcenasc. >> i'll walk you through doors two and three. jay's argument is a complete nonstarter. i didn't think there was a single vote on the court whose willing to go with him on the argument that a a president is immune from any part of the criminal justice process including a grand jury subpoena or his fall back argument is if you open this door to local prosecutors, subpoenaing is

president with grand jury subpoenas you'll have 2300 prosecutors turned loose on the president and it will be harassment. the new york for keary dun said this flood gate is already open and there's no flood. i think what the courts will say is they're going to probably send it back to the lower courts. that's door number three and say see if it meets this test. when you subpoena the president, it has to be something that there's an objective need for it. it's the best in evidence. you can't get it anywhere else. it's likely that it will be helpful to your investigation and you need it now. you can't wait until the president is out of office. i think it will be a partial win for cy vance. they will send it back and say does this meet the test. as a practical matter that means we'll have to wait another year or so. >> all right. under that circumstance, what -- i mean that seems like an aodd thing to send back.

do we think the court dwould that or is that something now that he wants to see happen because he knows he's going to lose? >> i don't think so. he was looking for -- i think strategically he was looking for flat out win. now on the other question about the congress, the court there was very different. i think they looked at these three subpoenas from the house committee and thought they were broad. president's argument is congress has limgted subpoena power. it's not in the constitution. it's only allowed to subpoena when it needs information to pass specific legislation. here are the the president's lawyer said congress is asking for so much financial documents from the president, from members of his family going back in some cases as many as eight years ago. this is way too broad. it can't be tied to specific legislation. i think the congress, the supreme court will probably say yes to most of these subpoenas. maybe they will find one of them

okay. again, they'll send it back to the lower courts to say can this be narrowed. >> congress stuff, i think that we weren't surprised at. we know the judiciary branch hates, hate, hates having to decide between the other two branches on that one. pete williams, it's a lot of fun. let me ask you this one quick question. can they stop audio for the courts forever? i love this. don't take away something we like now. >> i think that once public -- members of the public are allowed back into the public building then they will stop making live audio available. you can get the audio every friday. once the news value has been drained out of it. >> i don't know. i think people are expecting their to go alcoholic drinks forever and expect their live supreme court hearings forever. >> not at the same time. >> pete williams, what a day. thank you, sir. coming up, if it's tuesday

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welcome back. even in a pandemic if it's tuesday somewhere there's voting shs perhaps virtually or in person. today those somewheres are california, wisconsin and nebraska. in california there's a special election to fill the congressional seat vacated by katy hill. that race is happening almost entirely by mail. there's a much less competitive special in wisconsin for the seat that was held by republican sean duffey. in nebraska there's a democratic primary today for the chance to face republican congressman don bacon in november.

today's contest may not change the balance of power in congress but they could indicate which party has some momentum going into november or not. what election day may look like if most americans vote by mail. we got to be very efficient. leets start with california. it's probably the closest thing we've got. i saw late surge of dem ballots. my california democratic sources still assume they lose that seat but they think they narrowed the gap. what say you, sir? >> in are two factors as to why republicans could capture a seat that hillary clinton won by 7 even though trump sew woefully unpopular. they have a unicorn here in mike garcia who is a former navy fighter pilot.

t the soften a mexican immigrant. midea he's a great fit for the district. this is a low turn out special ballot election. it skewed the turn out towards long term residents of this district who tend to be older and whiter and more republican. republicans ought to have the advantage. democrats are expecting to lose this election but trump's last minute embrace of garcia on twitter could actually motivate for democrats to return ballots because they are the ones whose ballots haven't been turned in yet. we'll see. it's a matter that could go on for a couple of days before we know. >> is this going be a fair bellwether? how much of this is katy hill hangover? he says a lot of people think scandals and special house races are worth about a ten-point penal penalty. is that what we're looking at

here? >> i'm not sure i agree with that. they're always unique. what i think special elections do is place more emphasis on candidate backgrounds and qualif qualifications. the democrat made a last minute mistake when she appeared to be little garcia's military service and had to apologize for it. democrats could spin the loss as a one off. it's not guaranteed this will impact the count in the house for november because this will be a rematch on the ballot in november when turn out is much higher and democrats could win the seat back. >> trump's name is on the ballot which some democrats will matter. quickly, wisconsin. is there anything to watch tonight that would make -- that would tell you something about november? >> i'll be watching the margin, chuck. what we seen in these senate polls across the country, what we're seeing in individual race polls is the bottom is falling

out for republicans. this is a district trump won by 20 points. the more conservative candidate for state supreme court won this district despite losing the state last month. if democrats come within ten points here, then that would be -- that would tell me democrats are over performing even if they don't win the seat. i'm expecting the republican to win pretty comfortably. >> i sounds like you've said single digits as i'll pay attention if you'll get into singles. very quickly, ashford and eastman. it was interesting to mi that ann ash ford, the former congressman who eastman beat in a primary, she basically went up and said she couldn't win in '18, she couldn't win in presidential election and put that in an ad. is that going to work in that district? >> one of the reasons why democrats failed to win this district back in 2018 was kara

eastman is a really progressive single payer advocatadvocate. that's not what this district is. it voted for trump by a couple of points. the husband was a pretty good fit for the seat. what we're liking to see and i think kara eastman advance. this district could be close many the presidential race in the fall. this one vote is at stake. >> all the darn 269 scenarios that you, myself and kornacki have come up with are way too easy to get to. nebraska too we're going know way too much about it. dave, thank you and up next, the fate of your favorite sports leagues. when will it be safe to play any ball again? be safe to play any ball again deliver your mail and packages and the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way.

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stay safe. stay home. together, we'll get through this. pnc bank welcome back. from the moment a utah jazz player tested positive and the nba suspended its season, the american public has been asking this open question, when will we get sports back. while some leagues are brainstorming contingency plans, the answer, frankly, is still very much in the air. major league baseball is set to pitch their plan to the players association today, good luck, proposing a shorter senn starting in july that would played in fanless stadiums. players are already pushing back on that plan.

peter king talked with dr. fauci earlier this week about the prospect of football returning in the fall. while he said it was possible, fauci underlined the danger of even a few players on a team testing positive. >> i know how dangerous hypotheticals are. but suppose you test a team of 53 players on a saturday night, and four of them test positive. is there is a level at which -- >> you got a problem there. you know why? because it is likely four of them are positive and they've been hanging around together that the other ones that are negative are really positive. so if you have one outlier, i think you might getaway. once you wind up having a situation where it looks like it's spread within a team, you've got a real problem. you've got to shut it down. >> so with me now is peter king and as my friend tony was saying, nbc sports' peter king. he writes the football in

america morning plum, post of the peter king podcast. and for many of my football friends, he is the peter king. peter, i'll be honest with you. you asked such a perfect question, and fauci's answer, oh, boy, well, no football. how did the league -- the league had to watch that interview. the league had to hear what he said there. i got to think that roger goodell absolutely didn't like hearing that. have you heard from league sources about fauci's answer? >> no because, look, i'll tell you what the nfl is doing right now. the nfl basically is, you know, is planning and trying to keep a lid on every single plan. and, yeah, i heard from a bunch of general managers around the league about this, and i think the one thing that i heard from these general managers, and i had this conversation with one of them, and by the end of the conversation, he was convinced

that his offensive and defensive coordinator, the biggest two coaches other than the head coach on his team, they're really important. but you know what? the new infection control officer that every team is going to have is just as important this year, because if that infection control officer doesn't have a handle on the hygiene in the team facility and with every player on that team, that team's not playing this week. >> peter, what are the scenarios they're thinking? are they thinking at all regionally like baseball, basketball and hockey are doing? are they thinking at all about a couple of locations, quarantining, sort of creating spring training sites. what are the nfl contingencies the nfl is coming up with? >> as of now, they are not having any contingency plans, chuck, except for teams that might be in states that would want to put a lid on training

and on other programs with collect -- with a collective group of people, like in california. you know, some teams -- >> peter, let me interrupt you right now. l.a. county. >> the whole training camp, yeah. >> peter king, l.a. county. >> right. >> made it clear the stay-at-home order is going to be through the end of july. no training camps. right? >> right. so well, training camp would start right at the end of july this year, maybe even august 1st because the season is starting a little late. you're right, chuck. those are the kinds of things. as i have written in my column, the nfl needs to understand. and i think baseball is doing it right now. because baseball is basically inventing new rules for a season half the length that a normal season would be. that's what people around the nfl have to get ready for. new rules. however, i think a lot of this

is going to be solved by the nfl allowing teams to fly to the game sites the day of the game. everybody always goes a day or two before. i think that might be out this year. >> well, that would make some sense. but i tell you, peter king, anthony fauci's other thing says no matter what we try to do, the virus makes the plan. we just have to operate around it at the end of the day. and i think the nfl has to come to those terms pretty soon as well. peter king, always good to see you, sir. i hope you're staying safe and healthy. >> thanks very much, chuck. >> and that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." "the beat" starts right after this short break. ght after this short break if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, ...little things... ...can become your big moment.

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welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber on a very busy news day. the fight over donald trump's tax returns hitting the supreme court in a historic standoff while job losses drive what some are calling a trump recession. we have special report on i equality and the racial disparities circulating throughout this pandemic tonight. also, late-breaking news on jared kushner's medical supply task force. so we have a lot tonight. on a whole variety of topics. so stay with us. we begin with a basic fact right now during this pandemic. much of the government is an essential service. that's true for public servants leading this pandemic response and for the congress that overseas them and the courts that also