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good wednesday morning, in case you're wondering, everybody. it's may 13th. i'm yasmin vossoughian. glad to be with you. we have a lot to cover this morning. we're going to begin with that warning from dr. anthony fauci during yesterday's senate hearing. that if the economy reopens prematurely, it could lead to more cases, more deaths and a slower economic recovery. >> i've expressed then and again it is my concern that if some areas, cities, states what have you, jump over those various checkpoints and prematurely open up without having the capability to be able to respond effectively and fishefficiently concern is we will start to see little spikes that might turn into outbreaks. so, therefore, i've been being very clear in my message to try to the best extent possible to

go by the guidelines which have been very well thought out and very well delineated. there is a real risk that you will trigger an outbreak that you may not be able to control, which in fact paradoxically will set you back, not only leading to some suffering and death that could be avoided, but could even set you back to the road to try to get economic recovery. so this will turn the clock back, rather than going forward. that is my major concern, senator. >> may not be able to control if opened too early. and while the president declared monday, quote, we have met the moment. we have prevailed, he said, when it comes to testing, the director of the cdc saying yesterday, we're not out of the woods yet. also dr. fauci's warning about reopening too soon, it's coming from a virus model. a model from the university of washington is now projecting

147,000 deaths here in the united states by august 4th. that's 10,000 more than the model's last prediction. a senior administration official was telling nbc news that while they, quote, keep an eye on these outside models, the administration largely focuses on its own data, cdc guidelines and guidance from the coronavirus task force. meanwhile president trump's son-in-law and white house senior adviser jared kushner acknowledged in an interview with "time" magazine that there is an inherent risk in president trump's push to reopen the economy. >> there's risk to anything. but the president carries the burden for the 30 million americans who have lost their jobs due to the historic effort to save lives. i think we've all come together and saved a lot of lives by our collective action. >> and yesterday's hearing, dr. fauci also said by this fall we could learn if a vaccine is

actually effective. but he also cautioned with that to expect one by then would be a bridge too far. >> moving on to vaccines, there are at least eight candidate covid-19 vaccines in clinical development. the nih has been collaborating with a number of pharmaceutical companies at various stages of development. i will describe one very briefly which is not the only one, but one that we're developing with moderna, a messenger rna platform. you might recall with this committee that in january of this year, i said it would take about one year to 18 months if we were successful in developing a vaccine. the nih trial moved very quickly. on january 10th, the sequence was known. on january 11th, the vaccine research sent to develop a plan. on the 15th of january we officially started the vaccine development. 62 days later, we are now in

phase one clinical trial with the two doses already fully enrolled. there will be animal safety. the phase one will directly go into phase two-three, late spring, early summer, and if we're successful we'd know that in late fall, early winter. >> what would you say to the chancellor of the university of tennessee knoxville or to the principal at a public school about how to persuade students and parents to return to school in august? let's start with treatments and vaccines, dr. fauci, if you could save about five minutes for admiral giroir i'd appreciate it. >> thank you very much. i'd be very realistic with the chancellor that -- >> it's a her in this case. >> okay. her, i would tell her, that the idea of having treatments available or a vaccine to

facilitate the re-entry of students in the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. >> so, let's talk aid packages. we got another one in the docket. house democrats unveiling a sprawling $3 trillion coronavirus rescue bill as the senate and white house are continuing to clash with how to deal with the sputtering economy. if passed, this new emergency bill will be the biggest spending measure in u.s. history, sending aid to state and local governments, health systems and a range of other initiatives. the relief package would send a second round of stimulus checks to millions of americans. and include more funding for the postal service. according to reports, not every component of this bill will contain government spending and some aid would be for other ways such as to require passengers to wear masks on planes and public

transport as we've seen across the country. democrats say the rising unemployment rate requires an already adding to an unprecedented emergency response. but according to "the washington post," republicans have already rejected this deal before even seeing it. some have described it as a liberal wish list, end quote, that will go nowhere in the republican-led senate.the house is expected to vote on the bill on friday. we'll have much more an this when house speaker nancy pelosi is joining morni ing "morning j0 a.m. joining knee ing me is hans ni. what's been the white house response to dr. fauci's senate testimony? many things he said in stark contrast to the president, especially amidst reopening in

many states across the country? >> he hasn't directly refuted. when you listen to what both white house officials are saying publicly and privately they're doing the focus more like you heard from jared kushner on the economic loss and potentially the loss why if you don't open up the economy. they're worried about depression. they're worried about other cases not being treated. given the opportunity, kayleigh mcenany to directly refute dr. fauci, they didn't do it. when you listen to what fauci is saying, he's falling back on the guidelines that they articulated now about a month ago. in some ways, yes, fauci is speaking to the president, he's speaking to the broader republican party that clearly wants to open up before perhaps others or other public officials think is perhaps the right moment. but in some ways, he's talking more to the republican governors leading this. what i heard from fauci, his

tone, his rhetoric seemed to be in slight tension with the president. but he was more perhaps falling back on the criteria that the white house and task force approved. and making sure that he stayed behind that line without directly criticizing the president or other members of the administration, yasmin. >> what do you think, hans, yesterday's testimony reveals about the divide we are seeing between the white house and its top experts? considering the fact that we're likely have to deal with this for the next 18 months or so. >> it seems to me that the public health officials that are challenging the president that are on a slightly different page with him, don't want to take it to the next level and really own the criticism and say that the president is makes mistakes. throughout there, all of those public health officials,

redfield, hahn, fauci, our reporting, yasmin, the president respects their advice. he listens to them but he also weighs competing claims and that's really what will you heard from jared kushner. so the interesting thing to me is how the president perceives from the public like fauci said yesterday as a refute and we have a tweet storm this morning. yasmin. >> as we always do. hans nichols, thank you, stay close. maybe you can tinker on one of those bikes while you wait. i'm going to talk to you in a bit. still ahead, what dr. anthony fauci is saying about the u.s. death toll from the coronavirus. and why he thinks it may be higher than the official count. also president trump's battle to keep his financial records secret hits the supreme court. we're going to talk about what we might be able to expect from the justices. those stories and more, plus a check of your weather, when we come back.

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welcome back, everybody. the president got his day in the supreme court yesterday. his lawyers arguing to keep from disclosing his financial records to house committees and the new york grand jury. and at times, receiving a sympathetic ear. the consensus appears to be that it was not a slam dunk for either side, as demonstrated by liberal-leaning justice steven briar. >> if somebody subpoenaed you in that information or someone in your business, wouldn't you at least want to know what was being turned over? wouldn't you want to ask them? and might that not take time? and might that not take effort? so my problem is there may be burdens here, third party or not. and not just political burdens,

the job of the house and senate in part and president politics. that doesn't bother me but the clinton v. jones information does bother me. and the fact that what i hold today will also apply to a future senator mccarthy asking a future franklin roosevelt or harry truman exactly the same questions, that bothers me, so what do i do? >> we're investigating, for instance, among other things, money laundering. money laundering requires looking at a whole range of financial activity. what we're doing here is exactly the kind of thing that senate and house staff do when they're looking at the financial secretarier and the kinds of reforms should be made to the banking industry. there is no claim that there is a burden. no claim whatsoever, those may be relevant in certain cases but

certainly not this one. >> joining me now, msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos here. danny, good morning. great to see you. >> good morning. great to see you. >> we previewed this a bit yesterday. and i put you on the spot, asked you what you thought would happen. and you said, if you were a betting man, your money would be on the president having to release his financial records, wow. major statement. is this still where your money is, considering how the arguments went yesterday? >> yes. but with an asterisk. because from the questioning it appeared that the justices were more skeptical of congress' power to subpoena this information, the personal papers of the president, albeit from third parties, and more supportive of the state of new york's power, a grand jury's power, to subpoena these records as well. but at the same time, many times, i have been swayed by oral argument. and the justices are mostly

doing what they do best, which is posing hypothetical that may not reveal how they actually feel about the case. and to be sure, during the congressional house power argument of yesterday, there were plenty of questions about highlighting that congress has this very broad power to subpoena records. so, while the oral argument yesterday tended to show that the house may be limited, don't be surprised if the justices change their mind if their opinion. >> what did you make of the house argument that privilege was not claim, while there could be burden in other cases it does not necessarily make sense for this one? >> it's an important argument to make. because what the house is essentially saying is this case is very different from other case where is presidents have cloaked themselves in issues of privilege. because privilege wasn't

asserted, the court doesn't even need to address those other cases that deal with limiting principles of privilege. in other words, counsel for the house is arguing this is an easier case because there is no privilege. and these are personal papers that are not directly sought from the executive, but from third parties that may be close to the executive but are not even part of the executive branch. it's a very effective argument. arguably, the house's strongest argument in this case. >> so while justice breyer is saying what will i do? many are saying what will the decision be here? danny cevallos, great to see you this morning. still ahead, everybody, a growing number of children are coming down a rare condition possibly linked to the coronavirus. what new york governor andrew cuomo is saying about that. we're back in a moment. - oh. - what's going on?

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have contracted a rare and potentially deadly inflammatory condition likely linked to covid-19. the figures are coming as the cdc says it is actively preparing guidance for health officials to track nationwide what is now being call ed pediatric multisymptom anti-inflammatory syndrome or pmis. here in new york, where patients treated so far are ranging in younger than 1 years old to 18 years old. according to cuomo, at least five kids in new york have died from this illness which acts more like toxic shock syndrome or kawasaki disease causing inflammation of the coronary arteries. i want to bring in msnbc meteorologist bill karins.

bill, good to see you this morning. i know you're a parent of two kids. i, too, am a parent of two kids. up to this point, right, there was kind of a sigh of relief because you felt you didn't necessarily have to worry as much about the kids as you were worrying about maybe your elderly parents. >> yeah. >> but now this news of a possible syndrome linked to covid-19, it is incredibly troubling. >> yeah, and the whole school angle, i mean, for the fall, million dollar question, right? >> yeah, exactly, what that may mean for schools reopening in the fall, we'll have to wait and see what happens there. but we will get some answers in the second half of the show, look forward to it. this is very much a moving situation. all right. take it away, bill. >> let me get to the forecast, this is something i didn't want to do yet, i was hoping until like july, we do have a possibility of something developing offer tdevelop

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throughout your thursday evening. also some heavy rain, too. some of the good news, yasmin, it has been cold. not springlike. today is a beautiful, beautiful day from all of the eastern seaboard. 68 and sunny, low humidity from new york, all the way to d.c. it should be a very enjoyable average. get out and do so. >> thank you, bill. still ahead, everybody, much more from yesterday's senate hearing with dr. anthony fauci including what he had to say about his relationship with the president. also, republican senator rand paul's pointed exchange with dr. fauci. we're back in a moment. for all . at novartis, we promise to do our part. as always, we're doing everything we can to help keep cosentyx accessible and affordable. if you have any questions at all, call us, email us, visit us online. we're here to help support you when you need us. take care, and be well.

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♪ welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we're going to begin this half hour with the testimony of dr. anthony fauci who told members of the senate panel yesterday that u.s. coronavirus deaths are almost certainly higher than what has been recorded and that the outbreak is not completely under control. >> official statistic, dr. fauci, is that 80,000 americans have died from the pandemic. there are some epidemiologists who suggest the number may be 50% higher than that. what do you think? >> i'm not sure, senator sanders, if it's going to be 50% higher. but most of us feel that the number of deaths are likely higher than that number. because given the situation, particularly in new york city, when they were really strapped

with a very serious challenge to their health care system, that there may have been people who died at home who did have covid, who were not counted as covid, because they never really got to the hospital. so in direct answer to your question, i think you are correct that the number is likely higher. i don't know exactly what percent higher. but almost certainly, it's higher. >> dr. fauci, you can advised six presidents. you have battled deadly viruses in your career. so, i'd just like to hear your honest opinion. do we have the coronavirus contained? >> senator, thanks for the question. right now, it depends on what you mean by contain manment. if you think we have it completely under control, we don't. and if you look at the dynamics of the outbreak, we're seeing

deminu deminud deminution of cases. even though some are coming down, the curve looks flat, with some slight coming down. so, i think we're going to the right direction, but the right direction does not mean that we have by any means total of this virus. >> dr. fauci said yesterday he does not have a confrontational relationship with the president, despite the president's divergent plans. >> there is certainly not a confrontational relationship between me and the president. as i mentioned many times, i give advice, opinion, based on evidence-based scientific information. he hears that. he respects it. he gets opinions from a variety of other people, but in no way in my experience, over the last several months has there been

any confrontational relationship between us. >> joining us once again, nbc news correspondent hans nichols. hans, give me your take on that, on the relationship between fauci and the president. has there been any change to their relationship, over the last couple of months, as they've been working together to help control, stop the pandemic? >> so, up until yesterday, we appear to have been growing closer. you talk to the people close to the president, they say they have a very good working relationship. the president and dr. fauci. you heard from dr. fauci there, what i don't know is whether or not that dynamic has changed in the last 24 hours. because fauci, even though at least on paper, he seemed to be on the same page as the president in negating criteria and everything that the task force has said, at east tonally he was different. and there appears to be rhetorical divide between the two of them. we'll see if it changed at all.

fauci doesn't have to go to the white house. we'll see to the extent that he's doing his modified quarantine allows him to go into the white house and have a meeting. the first time we hear from the president, at least in person, is 4:00 p.m. when he meets with some governors, democratic governors at the white house. i suspect we'll hear on twitter, many times when the president gets frustrated with it, there's a huge split between the health officials, redfield, fauci, hahn. we saw this jared kushner a little bit, the president has to way he is health adviser, political advisers, as they don't focus on that. >> we've heard from fauci and other health experts as well the death toll along with dr. andrew cuomo in new york that it could be higher than people know,

afraid to go to the hospital, not even knowing if they had covid, especially when we didn't have the testing in place. how could this impact the reopening of the economy across the country in several states? >> depends what you think the overcoding is attributed to, if you if you believe it's overcoding to covid deaths, then that could keep the economy closed longer. that's why you hear the debate. especially in conservative media and republican governors as well. they think you're counting too high, the question of whether or not you die with covid or as of covid. but when you count people with chest pain or not going to the hospital for surgery they thought they could delay that's entirely different dynamics. the coding debate is something in this country but is globally and it's a question of what you

say the proximate cause of death is. for the most part, the president has accepted the numbers reported although there's some reporting that he thinks they're being inflated. in general, those making the argument that there's a covid death inflation, on the conservative end, the governors saying look it's not as bad as they're saying, they're inflating the numbers, let's get back to work. yasmin. >> as we've seen from many polls across the country, americans are listening to the dr. faucis and dr. birxes of the world. hans nichols, thank you for getting up early for us. still ahead, everybody, cases of a rare coronavirus-linked illness in children is on the rise. we'll get a check with a leading expert when we come back. yourself "first look" at "morning joe" is back in a

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sii noticed that for some reason, meteorologists, maybe it's because no one cares about the weather when you can't go out are somehow very involved with their pets. sometimes, their pets make it difficult to do their job from home. >> saturday, sun and clouds, sunday, partly cloudy, 56. hey, look at that, my cat charlie just showed up on the table. >> more cold air, three, two, one, cold air continues across the area tonight. potential for frost and freeze for some of us. warmup is going to take -- >> he's not going to move because he whacked the computer with his head. >> betty, the household cat seems to be enamored of the lights. >> maple -- shhh -- three, two, one -- after a glorious day

across the bistate area, clouds on the way in -- >> lingering showers throughout wednesday, probably into thursday as well. a slow-moving system comes right across the state of michigan. that's going to bring us about an inch of rain. [ barking ] >> that's a man who has had enough. >> oh, you got to love that, bill karins. let's bring in you for the conversation. >> it's so cheesy, yasmin, it's so cheesy, for weather people to sit there and have their dogs on tv for extra attention. i think it's absolutely ridiculous, you should be more professional than this. >> i'd love to see your dog give the weather forecast right about now, raise some spirits. i will say, too, little secret, if i could pan the camera, i can't, but my three labs are sitting at my feet while i do

this. all of us are trying to get through and stay comforted. >> i know. >> take it away, bill. >> let me give you the basics of what we got to get to here, as far as what we're doing with the maps, we'll talk about the numbers through the next couple of days, the forecast is cold until areas of the east right now. it's still very frigid. it's only going to get warmer throughout the day. it's still a freeze warning in effect for many areas of the northeast and ohio valley. 63 million people. after this, you can plant. it's going to warm up. things will get much better. record lows out there early. then it's in the 60s and 70s. yasmin, here's the great news, it gets warmer. 70s and 80s in the ohio valley area. and sunday, up to 82 degrees. things are going to get much warmer. >> thank you, bill. try and enjoy the bill when you can. republican senator rand paul who is also a medical doctor yesterday sparring with dr. fauci over his public health

assessment that schools may need to remain closed in the fall, as scientists learn more about the disease's impact on children. watch this. >> i think we ought to have a little bit of humility in our belief that we know what's best for the economy. as much as i respect you, dr. fauci, i don't think you're the end all. >> i've never made myself out to be the end all or the voice of this. i'm a scientist, physician, and public health official. i give advice according to the best scientific evidence. right now, children presenting with covid-19 who actually have a very strange inflammatory syndrome, very similar to kawasaki syndrome, i think we better be careful if we are not cavalier in thinking that children are completely immune to the deleterious effects. >> you heard dr. fauci referencing the syndrome, the

inflammatory syndrome. i want to get into this, the vice president and chair of pediatric health. doctor, thank you for joining us. by the way, he's also a professor of pediatrics at hofstra zucker school of medicine. i want to talk about the senate hearing from yesterday in just a moment. but i first want to address this rare, inflammatory mysterious illness that children are now coming down with and its connection to covid-19. how much do you actually know about this illness? and how many cases have you specifically seen in your hospital? >> we know a lot about the illness as it relates to kawasaki syndrome. or kawasaki disease in that we've been taking care of patients, my entire professional career, 40 years. we just learning about this so,

these children are presenting with something that looks very much like ckawasaki disease. and i think as you can see on your screen, things like rash, many of them are presenting with gi symptoms like abdominal pain or diarrhea. and unfortunately, there's a lot of inflammation related to this syndrome. associated with covid-19, affecting other organs at times. you know, the real problem with kawasaki and even this association is a coronary artery issue, where children do have coronary aneurysms at times and that's why it's so important that they be seen early. because this is actually treatable, unlike covid-19 where we all know there is no treatment at this point with

coronary aneurysms, there is a very specific treatment, with inat intravenous, immune globulin. >> and how concerned should parents be? how important to know whether your child contracted the disease early? >> it's actually very important that parents stay on top of the kids and call their physician, or call their pediatrician, or come to an emergency room, if in fact their children have persistent fevers, of more than a couple days. have some of these other symptoms with diarrhea, with rashes, with conjunctivitis.

again, getting this test done, they get echocardiograms with cardiology, they have a treatable disease. so it's really quite important that parents stay on top of it and actually bring their children to medical attention. >> doctor, just quickly here with regard to fauci's assessment yesterday in his testimony, do you agree that schools may need to remain closed through the fall, in light of this new development? >> well, it's hard to say. you know, what's interesting about this disease is that these children, for the most part are coming after they were infected, most likely. most of the kids that we've seen have been testing sometimes positive for the virus itself. but almost always testing positive for antibody, meaning that this is actually a post-infectious disease.

and so we're seeing a lot of it now after the peak of the disease has already occurred, two or three or four weeks later. so, you know, that's a call that dr. fauci and the governor, you know, of each state is going to have to make. but clearly, this is something we are concerned about. >> all right, dr. charles schlein, thank you for weighing in on this. still ahead, everybody, how coronavirus lockdowns are changing company's views on employees working from home. that and other stories driving your business.

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welcome back, everybody. house democrats unveiling another stimulus bill propoes posal which would mean another round of stimulus checks for americans. karen, take us through this plan. >> the stimulus package would be

worth roughly around $3 trillion and another round of $1,200 checks for individuals or $6,000 per household. this bill is being dubbed the heroes act. it does need republican approval to become law and already republicans are pouring cold water on the idea. what we've had so far, the first round of stimulus payments, those checks are still going out. the irs confirmed about 130 million payments made so far, a total of 150 million payments expected to be made to taxpayers so far. 'latest bill that's been proposed would crucially allow for some who missed out on the first round of checks to access some money from the government, crucially immigrants and dependents over the age of 17 would be entitled to checks under this bill. meantime, with the huge change in consumption habits we've seen in the lockdown, grocery prices have spiked over the last month. in fact, they've jumped their most in about 50 years what we saw in the increases led by meat and eggs, this is contained in the latest date on the u.s.

bureau of stat steaks, they played 3.4% more in april for meat, poultry, fish, and eggs, 1.5% for fruits and vegetables and 2.5 for can -- the index was down 0.8% in april, but this volatility in prices when people have very much job up certainty to deal with. 20 million americans lost their jobs in that mop. meantime, remote, wou working, o you feel about it? jack dorsey says his employees will be allowed to do it in inperpetuity. >> i feel like this is just the beginning of the trend of remote fwro working from here on out. thank you so much, karen. appreciate it. .

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♪ welcome back, everybody. joining me now with a look at axios am political reporter for axios, alexi. good morning to you. give us axios' one big thing today. >> good morning, yasmin. there's a fascinating new survey out that found nearly two-thirds of college students said that they would attend in-person classes if their colleges reopened this fall even if there's no coronavirus cure or vaccine that. matters because it shows that americans tolerance for social distancing measures are wearing thin and that's not going to last forever if the could mean that colleges and universities are in a better place than they are right now, but it raises a number of questions from a public health perspective and,

again, in terms of how long we can maintain these social distancing measures when survey after survey shows that, yes, americans drives are changing drastically. and we see with our own eyes how people are becoming tired of staying inside and they want things to return to some semblance of normal. >> let's talk 2020 here for a moment amidst this pandemic, lexi. both republicans and democrats are mixed about whether the conventions are going to happen this summer as many were anticipating them to happen, and whether or not they're going to be virtual or in person. what do you actually think is going to happen here? >> the conversations that i've been having with folks and just, again, the way that we see this situation unfolding suggests to me that the convention for democrats and even republicans will be virtual. republicans obviously say that they're moving full steam ahead. i would imagine their convention is going to include some types of virtual events. i would emergency democrats

convention ends up being all virtual. the other fascinating conversations i've been having and things i've been hearing is that tech companies are thinking about their role in all of this. if these conventions end up all virtual or even with some elements that are virtual, especially compared to, you know, cycles in the past, they see that as an opportunity to kind of swoop in and pitch themselves as a media partner or tech partner to encourage this to be the most democratic set of conventions we've seen. meaning, if they're all online, americans on both sides of the aisle could tune into other convention if in convention in a way that's less partisan and easier do from your own home. >> more people could be watching it than ever before. i think this is incredibly ironic, but now you have new reports sthehowing 27 million people have lost their health insurance because of the

coronavirus pandemic, whether or not that's because of jobs loss, millions of people losing their jobs. what'set result for those impacted? >> well, 27 million people are uninsured in the middle of a pandemic which is the great and sad irony. but between the lines you see that 70% of those folks have alternative options or sources for finding health insurance coverage. other thing you mentioned just before you and i started talking, speaker nancy pelosi will be on "morning joe" later today and the bill that she just proposed, that would allow folks to have lost their employer-based insurance to maintain that insurance through cobra, which is usually very expensive, and that would be fully subsidized. so while that's not law and it might not be law for a long time, it's something that democrats an folks on the hill are thinking through to be able to help those folks who have lost that employer-based insurance. >> that could certainly help folks during this time of crisis. thank you, as always.

i will be reading axios am in a little while. you too can sign up for the newsletter at signup.axios.com. that does it for me on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. i've expressed then and again is my concern that if some areas, cities, states, what have you, jump over those various checkpoints and prematurely open up without having the capability of being able to respond effectively and efficiently, my concern is that we will start to see little spikes that might turn into outbreaks. so therefore, i have been very clear in my message to try to the best extent possible to go by the guidelines which have been very well thought out and very well delineated. >> there's risk to anything, but the president, you know, carries the burden of the 30 million americans who have lost their jobs due to this -- due to this historic effort save lives. and think we've all come