i call it the americans first law. no corporate bailout if you're going to lay off workers, and it's going to be introduced by members of the new york congressional delegation. and i'm very proud of them for their leadership. if we get that washington bill passed, then it's going to make a significant difference because it's going to give states the ability to do what they need to do to reopen. we can take it from there, because we are new york tough, which is new york tough and smart and united and disciplined and tough enough to love. thank you. questions? >> governor, good afternoon. jeff wolf from channel 7. hoping to be able to ask you a couple questions. first of all, welcome to watertown and welcome back to the region. it's good to have you here. first question, what is the future of state prisons? the budget gives you the authority to close as many as you see fit.

now we have this physical climate, many correction officers families have a lot to worry about and worry perhaps about their job at a state prison. what do you tell the communities that host them, cos, familys? if it's still on the table, and if so, how many? >> first i say to them, i thank them for the service they've ben doing. again, i feel very passionately about the frontline workers, the essential workers who have been showing up there every day. nobody wanted stay home. you know what's worse than staying home? going to work in the middle of this pandemic when nobody even knew what the virus was about or how contagious it was. they still showed up to manage the prison system. i'm glad the results we've seen show they had to do what we could to protect them and they protected themselves and that's good news. as far as the state budget, the state budget is purely going to

be a function of what we get from washington. we have a $61 billion deficit. there's no way i can make up that deficit. i'm very good at controlling costs. we look at how our state budget has gone up year to year. it's gone up at a lower rate than any past governor. so i'm proud of that. but i can't make up $60 billion. and it will be purely a function of what happens in washington. if they act responsibly and they give state governments -- continuing our coverage of the coronavirus pandemic, new york's governor andrew cuomo today addressing how the virus impacts children. in new york 60% of the children, he says, who have come down with that terrible covid-related illness tested positive for coronavirus. 40% of those children already have the antibodies for the virus. the governor warning parents to take heightened precautions. and here are the other factors in power. new reports today the cdc tried

but failed to persuade the white house toing assent more stricken jept stringent guidelines, even though dr. fauci said reopening too soon could risk a broader outbreak and jeopardize any future economic recovery. top administration officials except president trump have started wearing masks. today secretary of state mike pompeo arriving in israel wearing a red, white and blue mask off the plane, one day after vice president pence work a mask, along with doctors fauci and birx, during a task force meeting at the white house. california's lockdown is tightening. the nation's largest county, l.a. county, will keep some form of stay-at-home orders in placing in august. and the state system, largest in-person in america, will cancel most classes for the fall. joining me now with these headlines nbc white house correspondent and weekend "today" co-host kristen welker and dr. zeke emanuel, vice

provost of the global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania. first, kristen, where things stand at the white house from a political and safety perspective, we have not from the time i sat down in the chair any white house reaction to the stern warnings yesterday from the public health advisers, especially dr. fauci. what is the concern though, private as well as public, in the white house? >> well, you're absolutely right. the assessment was stark from dr. fauci, who warned that if states start to reopen too quickly, more lives will be lost. he also said he believes the death toll is likely higher than the 80,000 figure that has been recorded. no reaction from president trump, and speaking with some senior administration officials, they indicated, look, they weren't surprised dr. fauci said what he said yesterday, that it's consistent with other statements that he's made and they tried to argue it's also consistent with what the president has said, for example, they would argue, he warned, the

governor of georgia against reopening that state too quickly. but you know out on the airwaves, some of the president's allies were taking aim at dr. fauci. rand paul, for example, during that senate hearing yesterday. also tried to indicate dr. fauci was trying to be the lone voice in this. he pushed back against that very forcefully saying he is in fact not. so we, of course, wait to see if the president tweets about this because we know that he has been very frustrated by officials on his coronavirus task force who have not echoed the line that he's trying to walk, which is he does want the economy to reopen. it is critical not only he believes to getting to the other side of this crisis, but obviously to his re-election chances, andrea. clearly what we heard from dr. fauci yesterday roiled some of the presidents closest allies, but, again, we'll have to see if

president trump jumps on that bandwagon and criticizes him publicly. >> i wanted play if we have that ready, a little bit of what dr. fauci had to say, and the defense from one of the people in republican circles. let's play dr. fauci first. >> i feel if that occurs, there is a real risk that you will trigger an outbreak that you may not be able to control, which in fact paradoxically will set you back, not only leading to some suffering and death that could be avoided but could even set you back on the road to trying to get economic recovery. >> and this, the number three person in the house republican leadership, liz cheney, she wrote dr. fauci is one of the finest public servants we ever had, that he's not a partisan. he's only interested in saving lives. we need his expertise and his judgment to defeat this virus.

all americans should be thanking him every day. zeke, that certainly shows a lot of support, at least in some republican quarters, but at least one network, fox news, has just been relentless going after fauci. one wonders if he will hear this publicly from the president. >> so dr. fauci, i have known him for many, many years. we've worked together at the nih. he's the quintessential public servant. he's served republican and democratic presidents. he was the inspiration behind george bush's pranl. president trump embraced him trying to get rid of hiv spread in this country earlier in the administration before coronavirus. and he i think is just calling the shots. as a matter of fact, let's just look at what dr. fauci was saying. he was saying, look, we have a

potential, if we open too early, we're likely to get a resurgence. if you look overseas, you see cases in wuhan, in other parts of china, you see in singapore large, over 35,000 cases now in singapore. you see an outbreak spreading among discos and the clientele of discos and south korea. we know if you open up prematurely and you're not careful, you can have a very significant rise in new cases and spread that may be difficult to contain. and most of these other countries they have a better testing and contact tracing situation. so i think he was just stating as it were the obvious, if we're not careful about this and we don't have both a declining number of cases for two weeks and the testing and contact tracing infrastructure, we're not going to be able to actually do a good job.

so i think that's what he was pointing to. >> good catch there, dr. zeke. we all have phone calls when we're working from home. >> sorry. >> no, no problem. and mitt romney, not the president's favorite republican, mitt romney spoke out and fact-checked the president's claims regarding we tested more than anybody else and more than south korea. those claims from the rose garden the other day. he fact-checked that and pointed out just how inaccurate that is. just watch. >> you celebrated that we had done more tests and more tests per capita even than south korea. but you ignored the fact that they accomplished theirs at the beginning of the outbreak, while we shedded water during february and march. as a result by march 6th, the u.s. had completed just 2,000 tests, where as south korea had conducted more than 140,000 tests. so partially as a result of

that, they have 256 deaths, and we have almost 80,000 deaths. i find our testing record nothing to celebrate whatsoever. >> and kristen, at the same time we're hearing reports, the ap has reports, the cdc had tougher, more restrictive guidelines ready to go and the white house rejected those. we still have not heard from the cdc what their real guidelines are. they said they would present them soon, whatever that means. >> we haven't, and we haven't gotten a reaction from the white house yet. although we're certainly trying. i think we hyou hit the nail on head with the crux of it, the guidelines were restrictive than the ones we saw from the administration. for example, there was a more nationwide approach to reopening, whereas the guidelines the administration is touting obviously leaves that in the hands of the state.

worth noting not the first time we heard sharp criticism from mitt romney but it really puts a focus on this issue of testing, even as the administration struggles to contain coronavirus cases inside the administration, andrea. >> going to have to leave it there. thank you very much dr. zeke emanuel, kristen welker, thank you for starting us off. and senate democratic leader chuck schumer is joining me now. senator, thunkz fank you very mr being with us. we know how busy you are. >> hi, andrea. >> hi, good to see you. first of all, how are you doing? >> i'm okay. you, your family, everyone all right? >> good, good. everyone is fine, thank you. we're the lucky ones able to work from home. but you're not at home. >> no. >> and, of course, you and other senators have been taking some chances in coming out and doing your job. you're on the floor calling for that additional $3 trillion house bill. arguably has no chance of

passage. this is not something signed on by you and republicans, others in the senate, mnuchin. it's not a compromised deal. why risk bringing them back, and a question for the speengeaker, she said it was a bargaining position? >> let me say this, the outline the house had necessary and urgent. there are huge problems out there as your show just acknowledged. dr. fauci said we could have such a serious, serious problem when we come back. and in the proposal is what's needed. our state and local governments are going to lay off tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of police and firefighters and bus drivers if we don't do something. if we don't do adequate testing, it's amazing this administration is refusing tests really to do a regime on testing.

they want the country to open up. every other country as dr. emanuel said has done a good job had much more testing and much more contact tracing than us. there are so many things in this bill. you say why start with what is needed? it's what's needed. it's urgent. it's necessary. when the republicans point to what's wrong with it, they point to a small little thing that's .003 of the bill. look at the last two covid bills. initially leader mcconnell said what he's saying now, we don't need to do it. our way or no way. but public pressure and public need on him and his republican senators force them to come around. and, in fact, covid 3 and covid 3.5 had many more of the things we said democrats wanteds than the republicans wanted. so there will be a huge amount of pressure from republican governors or republican senators, from business people, from police unions and fire unions and so many others who are going to say we need this

bill. so i believe this is a very, very good place to be, because it shows what the needs are. we didn't cut it in half to bargain against ourselves. but you will see the pressure on the republicans is enormous. when mitch mcconnell said he doesn't see an immediate, urgent need, what is he saying to the miles of cars that are waiting in food banks? people come out and are interviewed and say they've never been to a food bank before. what does he say to the hundreds of small businesses, they put their blood, sweat and tears into building businesses and now they're closing down. what does he say to a family who might be kicked out of their house because they don't have rents. of course it's urgent. and as dr. fauci said and today jerome powell, another non-politician, said we need much more fiscal relief or we can risk the kind of thing, the great depression.

the republican thing from donald trump to mitch mcconnell is sort of lying herbert hoover. when the stock market crashed, herbert hoover said we don't need to do anything. let the private sector work this out. that caused, lengthens and deepened the great depression. let us hope that the public need and the public pressure will get the republicans to understand what we need to do to get this country out of the greatest health and economic crisis we've had since the depression. >> i was going to point out it's not just jay powell and the fed today. it's also larry hogan republican governor and andrew cuomo together for the national governors association be saying they need that state and local government money. >> andrea, what's appalling here -- i was just going to say, they don't believe in truth. that's the problem. there's truth. there are facts. dr. fauci talks about facts. they don't argue with him. they call him names. donald trump said two months ago, anyone who wants a test can get a set. lie, straight out and out lie.

and they're still clinging to that thing when donald trump said we've accomplished what we need in testing. the irony is this, if donald trump wants to open up the country again, and i understand that. so do most of us want to get the country opened up, you will need a far stronger testing regime to you can test everybody. georgia, which opened up quickly, governor kemp, i read yesterday in the paper in one shopping center, 92% of the people who usually show up didn't show up. if people don't believe they're safe, we're not going to get back. and testing and contact tracing is so important. and this administration ignores it and it's hard to figure out why. sorry. >> you know, that's right. i was going to play a little bit of what senator murphy had to say to dr. redfield from the cdc yesterday at that hearing and get your reaction on the other side. >> sure. >> we're reopening in connecticut in five days, in ten days. this guidance isn't going to be

useful to us in two weeks. is it this week? is it next week? when are we going to get this expertise from the federal government? >> i do anticipate this broader guidance to be posted on the cdc website soon. i can't tell you -- soon. i can tell you, your state can reach out to the cdc and we will give guidance directly to anyone in your state on any circumstance this your state desires guidance from. >> soon isn't terribly helpful. thank you, mr. chairman. >> he's on the money, senator murphy. i asked on the floor today -- >> are you concerned that the cdc -- i know you lost the vote on the floor, but now going forward, are you concerned that the white house is censoring the public health information from the most important agency? >> yes, i am. the white house censured agency after agency. they've gotten their minions and fox news and everyone else to personally and vitriolically attack people who tell the truth. i'll tell you something, in this huge crisis, if you avoid the

truth, you're going to make it worse. and you're going to make it worse for everybody, including i would say to the republican party and donald trump, for yourselves. >> before i let you go, i want to play a little bit about what leader mcconnell had to say about president obama. we heard from donald trump and now leader mcconnell, surprising comments from a former president. let's watch. >> i think president obama should have kept his mouth shut, you know. we know he doesn't like much this administration is doing. that's understandable. but i think it's a little bit classless, frankly, to critique an administration that comes after you. . >> well, you know -- >> that was on trump tv with laura trump, the daughter-in-law. >> of course. >> let me say this --

>> -- what you think about the way president obama is being described. >> it's ridiculous. he's been very restrained. instead of doing what they're supposed to do, senate republicans, coming up with answers to the covid crisis, having oversight hearings finding out why small business is not getting over lending, why we're not testing, we're hospitals are not getting the money they need, instead of oversight hearings on that they come up with conspiracy theories on obama and chairman johnson wants to go after biden and this hunter/biden sfr theor hunte hunter biden conspiracy theory, which came from the russians of all people. this is incredible to me, spending their time with conspiracy theories against obama instead of dealing with with the biggest crisis we had in decades and decades and

decades. what universe are they in? they don't have to agree with me on everything that should be done about the crisis but why talk about it instead of absurd, often russian-generated conspiracy against their political enemies? >> chuck schumer, thank you very much, senator. >> thank you, andrea. >> stay safe. up next -- the highest speak in covid-19 cases in the country. who was most affected? what does it mean for the people of illinois? stay with us. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. nbc. a continuous glucose monitor, you don't have to. with a painless, one-second scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. no matter where you are or what you're doing. ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks. learn more at freestylelibre.us.

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illinois hit gra grit recor on tuesday. more than 4,000 new cases of the coronavirus. this as governor pritzker and his staff are working from home after a colleague of the governor's was asymptomatic but tested positive for covid-19. nbc reporter kevin tibbles is in chicago. i know you're working from home

as the riest of us. is there a spike in the chicago area or is this as a result of ramped-up testing? what do you think is going on there? >> it's actually both, andrea. yes, it was a new spike. it was the daily highest count we've seen so far. but we've also had more than 30,000 tests done in one day. 30,000. and that is also a new record. it is pretty safe to extrapolate from this that they are doing more testing and as a result of that, obviously, they are coming up with more cases. what is positive out of this news, of course, is that it is now taking twice as long for the mortality rate here in illinois to double. early in this outbreak, for example, it took about 2 1/2 days to double the mortality rate. now it's up to five days. and the officials here are pointing to that to say -- to make the case that we are at least beginning to flatten the curve.

. >> the governor is being sued by dozens of businesses about his reopening plans. in chicago you've got mayor lightfoot, who's been really tough in trying to deal with thedy disproportionate impact of african-americans and hispanics. how do you deal with the imbalance as you try to reopen? >> it's interesting because there are various columns in the newspapers saying they're moving the goal posts all the time. as new information comes in, i think the governor decided he has to go with the flow in terms of how covid is flowing. now we're looking at some time in june before any businesses are going to be allowed to get up to normal. chicago is obviously the third largest city in the nation but there's a lot of illinois outside of chicago that is rural, southern south, for example, which is where a lot of

these lawsuits are coming from. people in those particular areas are saying what are we waiting around for? as we're here in chicago, mayor lori lightfoot, first-term mayor here, is actually very highly regarded for the way that she's approached this. she's in memes. she's done public service announcements. a lot of people joke she's there looking down on us, big brother, big sister in this case, telling us all to stay home and a lot of people seem to be following her lead on this. interestingly enough just yesterday when we had the flyover by the blue angels here, our mayor made a very big deal of the fact this flyover was here for all of us, but, of course, we had to do it from being inside. stay home, save lives, remains the mantra here in chicago, andrea. >> yes, she's really been a leader. she's shown extraordinary

leadership. the memes are very funny. we'll will get to that another time. thank you so much. very good to see you. coming up, the house intelligence committee congressman adam schiff on the release of former trump campaign chairman today paul manafort out of jail and what lies ahead for michael flynn. how about no no

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president trump's former campaign manager paul manafort is out of jail today, well in advance of his seven-year sentence after his lawyers argued successfully about the possibility of covid-19 infections in prison. the bureau of prisons, by the way, said not a single case of infection of covid-19 has been identified in that pennsylvania jail. this as the federal judge in the michael flynn case has taken a very unconventional step inviting outside parties to file legal briefs, are amicus briefs on the unusual, to say the least, decision to drop the prosecution despite flynn's two guilty pleas. and a majority of supreme court justices signaled their reluctance to accept arguments for a lawyer from democratic-led house committees for access to the president's financial records. and in week historical

arguments, where a d.a. fared better in a separate case arguing for those tax returns. joining me now, adam schiff of california, chairman of the house intelligence committee. great to see you. thank you very much. >> thank you. great to see you. >> what about paul manafort getting out of jail early? the news today about paul manafort walking out of jail in pennsylvania. there's no record of any infection in that prison but is that the appropriate step given the possibility of infection in the prison context? >> well, the problem is bill barr has so politicized the justice department, justice system, that people can't have confidence in the decision to release people like paul manafort to do home imprisonment is based on the merits, is based on either his health situation or covid situation at present. no one can really have confidence in that. i can tell you, andrea, in southern california there are two prisons not far from my

distribute, one at terminal island, which 40% to 70% of inmates have covid. i can bet you the families of those incarcerated in those two institutions are looking at the release of paul manafort today and saying how come my family member is not being released to home custody? it must be because their names are not paul manafort, they're not a friend of donald trump. this system stinks. and that's the result of bill barr politicizing the justice department. people have lost confidence in its neutrality that justice is blind. instead they think justice bends to donald trump's will. and that's just a tremendous disservice and risk to the rule of law. >> correct me if i'm wrong, but to your point -- and i just want to also point out we were just showing file pictures of paul manafort during his trial, not when he was in custody. those are not pictures of him

walking out of prison today. but correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't michael cohen appear to be let out of prison also because of covid, and that has not taken place yet? >> that's my understanding, yes. he's also made a request to be released from custody. he's not been released. of course, that brings further scepticism, why is manafort, someone the president praised, getting released when he had a far longer sentence to serve and michael cohen not being released when the president calls him a rat? there could be legitimate reasons for this. maybe there's legitimate concern about paul manafort's health. i really don't know. inmates tend to lie about their health all the time. but the problem is we can't have confidence in the system when there's such naked acts of politicalization like bill barr intervening to dismiss the flynn case, like bill barr intervening

to reduce the sentence for roger stone, like bill barr intervening to mislead the country about the contents of the mueller report before it came out and withholding that report for weeks so it could create a false narrative. the whole counterinvestigation bill barr is trying to lead. it just breeds disrespect for the justice department and questions about its neutrality. therefore, we can't evaluate why paul manafort gets out and mike flynn stays in. >> i do want to ask you about one of the oral arguments yesterday, the extraordinary oral arguments on these landmark cases. and the one that seemed to have the least amount of traction with the majority of the justices at least came from the lawyer for the house committees. let me play you a little bit of justin kagan, she and justice sotomayor and justin ginsburg seemed to be on one side of it. even just breyer was not with them on this, at least from what

we could tell from the question. this is her question to the lawyers of the house committee about the subpoenas against the president. >> it seems to me what you're asking us to do is put a kind of ten ton weight on the scales between the president and congress. essentially to make it impossible for congress to perform oversight and carry out its functions where the president is concerned. >> clearly, that was justice kagan questioning the deputy solicitor general on behalf of the president's argument against the subpoena. it does look like at the very best they would send it back for a reargument that your house committees may not succeed in this effort to get the subpoenas. >> it's hard to tell off it from the argumentation which way they will go. when they get to the court we

will find out if they're truly a conservative court or just becoming a partisan court. when you prepare, for example, the situation involving the clinton presidency and justices' decision it wouldn't oppose too much of a burden on the presidency to allow the paula jones litigation to go forward, to allow the president to be deposed. here the burden is so much less. the need for congressional oversight is so much greater. that involved a private litigant. this involves the congress. and the subpoenas here are to a private third party. the president has no burden whatsoever. so for the justice to conclude a civil suit against a democratic president has to go forward, that's not burdensome, that's not vexacious, that's not an effort to tear down the president, but legitimate congressional oversight can't go forward i think indicates they have a double standard when it comes to democratic presidents versus republican ones. but we'll have to wait and see what the court decides. hopefully they will follow their

precede precedent. if they do, there's no question the house will prevail. if they don't, it's another indication that institution, like so many other institutions these days, is simply moving in a partisan direction. >> i also want to ask you about president obama and now in a separate instance the acting dni rec rick grenell, goes after democrats and the obama situation, the president accusing former president obama of the greatest crime ever. what's going on here? there's also "the wall street journal" editorial against you as well, against the adam schiff transcripts as they put it. >> what's going on is this is the president's effort to distract from the fact that under his watch, we've now lost 80,000 american lives and our economy is in the worse shape it's been since the great depression. this is what this is about. they want to distract attention.

they want to create some kind of counternarrative that, no, it was actually obama committing crimes, not donald trump. it was all of the obama administration figures. it was adam schiff. don't pay attention to americans dyeing right now. don't pay attention to americans unemployed right now. but instead let's focus on this counternarrative that it was hillary that must have colluded, it was obama who must have been committing unethical acts instead of donald trump. but the american people see through this. they're focused right now on making sure they can stay healthy, they can put bread on the table. that's their priority, even if it isn't the president's. >> thank you very much, congressman adam schiff. stay safe, i presume home in california. coming up -- the u.s. government issues a warning to labs and universities working on

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investigating whether iranian hackers are doing the same. joining us now, richard haass, president of the council of foreign relations and his new book "the world: a brief introduction." a big topic with a brief introduction. thank you very much. we have the book here. and congratulations on that. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you about this growing antagonism between the u.s. and china. the president, some would say, is trying to scapegoat china but china has misbehaved in terms of its lack of transparency on what happened in wuhan and the whole eruption of this virus, this pandemic. now we're told that chinese hackers are trying to get our vaccine research. we're in a situation where there's so much potential disinformation coming from some parts of our administration that we don't know what to believe. but this is what the intelligence community is warning. where do we stand with china? >> i would expect the reports are true that the chinese are trying to steal the information.

this would be totally in character. they have stolen over the decades all sorts of industrial and technology secrets from american companies. so this would be consistent with that. and the criticism of china up to a point is fair. they behaved poorly to say the least in how they've handled the outbreak of the coronavirus in their country. they've not cooperated fully with other countries. they pressured countries like australia, who have called for a complete investigation. and china's doing a lot of other things that should give us heartburn. whether it's depressing activists in hong kong, violating the terms of the agreement they signed when the british handed it over. they're repressing more than a million muslims in their country. they're unilaterally changing the geography of the south china sea. there's reasons to have real heartburn, and it's a big but, two things, this is a critical relationship. it's the most important relationship in the 21st century

so we don't want to go all bad if possible. we'd like to protect the ability to cooperate with china selectively so you can deal with north korea or deal with something like climate change. i don't see china for all of its bad things posing the same sort of threat that the soviet union did. also if we can, we don't want to have a one-dimensional relationship. even though we keep and even though we have to push back, we do want to preserve some areas of potential cooperation. >> and what we see now in wuhan today, they've had another outbreak. now they're planning to test 11 million wuhan residents. it does show china has the capacity we have yet to have in terms of going after a population when there is a spike. >> absolutely. i think there's two lessons here. one, we really had better take to heart. going back too soon. almost guarantees or certainly

invites a new wave of infection. my hunch is in our own rush to quote/unquote return to normal we will probably trigger all sorts of outbreaks and spikes. the other is it reminds us of the centrality of testing. we've done how many ever millions of tests, we need to be able to perform more than that number every day. we need to think of getting to the point with testing the same way we walk through these devices to show we don't have metal when we go on airplanes or at the stadiums. we want to have testing devices before we go into buildings. and that way anyone who's identified as positive can be turned away. they can be quarantined. and then we can do the contact tracing. we're nowhere near -- we're not even in the right zip code of what it will take in order to do effective testing. >> you're writing about the world you deal with, the world every day and all of its

complexities. yet we are risking a real resurgence of xenophobia as a result of this and other things that happened. i wanted to play a little bit of the president in the rose garden on monday and the way he reacted to a reporter from cbs who is chinese-american. >> you said many times that the u.s. is doing far better than any other country when it comes to testing. >> yes. >> why does that matter? why is this a global competition to you if every day americans are still losing their lives, and we're still seeing more cases every day? >> they're losing their lives everywhere in the world, and maybe that's a question you should ask china. >> why do you -- >> don't ask me. ask china that question. when you ask them that question, you may get a very unusual answer. yes, behind you, please. >> sir, why are you saying that to me specifically?

>> i'm not saying it specifically to anybody. i'm saying to anybody that would ask a nasty question like that. please go ahead. okay. anybody else? >> of course, that then led to him walking out of the rose garden. there's a lot wrapped up in that. what some said is a racist reaction. to an asian-american, and china scapegoating as well and depressed dyess, of course. >> all the of the above. and i would say two other things as well. it gets into your comment of xenophobia. if this is a crisis that came from abroad, it's a lesson that in a global age, nothing stays local for long. our borders, our sovereignty don't offer defenses. we've got to, first of all, recognize that. this kinds of isolation makes no sense. and second of all, if there's a successful response, it's going

to come from working with others, whether it's working with europeans on developing a vaccine, working with a lot of countries on providing the economic health that poorer countries in the world are going to need. poorer countries going through a need. this highlights an american first approach to american policy. in a global age they're not viable strategies for the united states. >> richard, thank you so much. the book is a world, a brief introduction, congratulations on that. now we want to take a few moments to remember some of the lives cut short by this coronavirus pandemic. the horror of this disease. unique clay was a devoted mother. she welcomed her third child and a few days later went to the hospital with coronavirus

systems. she was the first postal service carrier in chicago to die of covid 19 and she was only 31 years old. a ref gugee who lived in nebras and worked at a pork plant. his granddaughter says days after he was admitted to the hospital he died on may 4th. she says she wants people to think of him as a person not just a statistic. >> and gerry genuino worked at a school district as a janitor and school bus driver. last october he was driving kids home from a field trip when he spots a truck on fire. he stopped the bus, got his fire extinguisher, got the fire out,

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