twitter, we were discussing with sean pen, he just joined for covid relief. keep it here right now, on msnbc. good evening from new york. president trump and the nation's top infectious disease official are on different pages when it comes to the pace of reopening the count reach. on tuesday, dr. fauci painted a grim picture of states moving too fast. >> there is a real risk you will trigger an outbreak you may not be able to control. it will set you back, not only leading to some suffering and death, that could be avoided, set you back on the road to trying to get economic recovery. it would turn the clock back.

>> he went to to say opening schools on the fall should be done in a regional basis, and he would be reserved on recommending school reopened. >> president trump said those comments were unacceptable. >> he wants to play all sides of the equation. people want the country open. the schools will be open. you will have an incident, 1 out of 500, will something happen, perhaps. you request be driving to school and bad things can happen, too. we are going to open our country. i was surprised by his answer, actually. it is just, to me, it is not an acceptable answer, especially when it comes to schools. >> the president's comments came as he met with governors of two state that is started the reopening, north dakota and colorado. most states are in other states

of partial reopening, within some of those states, local officials, who are in some cases making separate decisions, california, los angeles county officials said their own stay at home order will stay in place until july. the california state university system, the largest in the country, cancelled on-campus classes for fall, decided to keep instructions online. the mayor of washington, d.c., extending the stay-at-home order july june 8th. the governor of maryland will lift the state stay-at-home order friday. some schools did reopen in montana. this evening, the wisconsin state court blocked governor evers stay-at-home order, the court saying it was unlawful. there was new reporting from the associated press on what the cdc

had drawn up for guidelines, this was shelved by white house fortunatelies, according to the ap, the stark difference in the final white house plan and that designed by epidemologists at the cdc, is the acknowledgment that covid cases will likely surge, and governments need to continuously monitor. a national approach, rather than patch work, policies will affect others. >> i am joined by thank you to all of you for being with us. starting with you on the news of what the president had to say this evening about anthony fauci, the dispute here in particular is over schools, about whether or not schools are going to reopen for fall.

dr. fauci, addressing a cautious approach. what is the disagreement. what is trump looking for? >> this is president trump's most what president did today, he knows better than the scientists and dr. fauci, that schools should reopen. he said that teachers and prfz of a certain age, maybe continue to stay home. young kids, should be able to go back to school. dr. fauci warned about that yesterday. he said, don't be cavalier about the impact of this virus could have on children. the president is not only breaking with dr. fauci, he is saying things in direct contract of what dr. fauci warned about. i think we will go back to this.

the first time president trump aired his real differences with dr. fauci, after he doesn't think he has a confrontational relationship with president trump. today may change that. >> upping their rhetoric, from trump top allies in the public square. your sense, are you saying it may be a turning point. are there any oceans, from your standpoint in the white house of this relationship shifting? >> the president really respects dr. fauci, and listening to the effects and how to handle. today, we saw the president lean father into the republican and conservative criticisms of dr. fauci, that have been happening, we have seen the racheting up

much of that, the president, i didn't mean i would fire dr. fauci, the president is taking sides with the conservatives, saying, the scientist is being cautious, if that is going to hurt the economy. the president is saying, i have to balance this scientist against my own instincts, and the economy. when you have a scientist saying, we should be more cautious than the president is being right now. >> let me bring you into this at the heart of this dispute, between the president and dr. fauci, over the question of schools. let me get your response to the argument. the president, apparently, agrees with this. he is not the only one making this argument. when you look at the easing of restrictions, and reopen the country, why don't you look at schools first, when you look at

the statistics, 83,000 deaths in the country right now. i think the number is 10 of those 83,000 are children under 15 years of age. everything bringing some degree of risk. when you look at children on this the risk seems far lower than other catagories. what is your response to that be? >> the risk isn't about death here. the risk is that, children live with adults and live with people who can be infected with coronavirus, where we can have serious results, children are likely to be able to be infect said as anybody else, and able to spread that virus to their parents, grandparents, sisters, to other people in the community. this isn't just about the number of deaths in a particular population. it is about how this population as a whole intersects with the rest of the population.

we need to look at this in a holistic way. not only do children die, we are are now beginning to see, with this idea of kawaski-like syndrome, children can be infected and have serious consequences. we know there are negative outcomes in all age groups, taking any of this in a vacuum is not the way to look at it. look at the picture. if anyone is infected, even not at high risk or poor outcome, they will be in contact with people who can be. you can't look at it as a single issue. this is not something we have to look at it vertically, we have to look at it horizontally. >> the governor of maryland announced he will lift the stay-at-home order at the end of this week. white house put out guidelines for states, easing restrictions, the proposed cdc guidelines who

haven't seen the light of day. maryland, when you look at the white house criteria, they have more cases over the last two weeks before that the rate of positive result on the test has gone up. the past two weeks, compared to the two weeks before. yet, maryland is apparently on the verge here of lifting the stay-at-home order. are states looking to the federal government at all here? >> it is a great point, steve. by and large, in this entire process, it has been up to governors and local public health officials to determine what is best in their jurisdiction. i think that is the right approach. the only challenge with what a state like maryland may be doing ahead of d.c. and virginia, when you have an area where you have

a lot of regional mobility. people are moving between d.c., virginia, often. it is untenable for one jurisdiction to have a stringient requirement, that is something what jurisdictions have to watch out for. on the education, i think it is important to evaluate the health concerns of bringing kids back, continued online education is going to create equity issues, some have better facilities than others, it is not just the health risks, it is lost educational time and lost opportunity for those who may be dm a disadvantaged position. >> quickly on the question, the cdc guidelines, on the white house shelf, the cdc director

announced they would be forthcoming soon. any information on if and when we will see those? >> as of right now, it doesn't seem we have a clear guideline of when that will be. the white house, and the cdc officials, based in georgia, there is contention, some tension, in the fact and we need to be that is out right now, they are not following that we need to get more details, what we see in the white house saying, we want states to have their own responsibility when it am cans to opening up. the president doesn't want to be blamed for how the states open up. well, it is the state's rights, they should figure out what is best for their state. >> a question about what each state is doing, varying widely, within states, there is an

analysis done, showing that axios, the skeptics were worried b florida and georgia, haven't seen the rise, florida's new cases declined by 14%, compared to the previous week. georgia has fallen as of 12%. both states faced criticism with the way they handled the virus. 1,800 in florida, 1,500 in georgia, the reopening process, in the early stages, the second wave of infection is still possible. within the past m specifically, when it comes to florida and georgia, there have been dire predictions of imminent spikes in case load and deaths. stipulate. we don't know where it is going,

it is early. we will see how it goes, florida, down 19%, are the initial results being seen in florida and florida, two states more aggressive when it comes to reopening. are they encouraging in a way that should 1234. >> we have a ways to go to make that she determination. at least two weeks behind when the exposures accuse occurred. testing. we are now, just now, starting to get into this on the

policies, that were in place. and how open it was. so, really, the book is yet to be written. we have no idea what the next couple of weeks will bring. >> thank you all for being with us. the deep division on reopening, why some on the right are directing their anger at dr. anthony fauci. >> i really hope that nobody let's their guard down for a split second thinks they can go back to living a normal l if there is one thing i have taken from coronavirus, handling it in new york city for the past few weeks, it can come back with a vengeance.

the biggest week in television is here. now through may 17, enjoy free access to the best shows and movies from favorites like hbo, showtime, starz and

for the first time ever, hulu and peacock! watch the show starring that guy you saw in that other thing... you know the one. or the series this kid on reddit says is "legit," punch emoji, explosion emoji. even the one with the actor people say looks just like your boss. and maybe sounds like him too. put your phones down. everyone's got a show to recommend. watch the best for free. just say "watchathon" into your voice remote, or download the xfinity stream app.

is pushing for states to reopen, when experts, including dr. anthony fauci warn about future outbreaks in it is open too quickly. polling democrats more concerned with the public health, and the republicans more concerned about the economic impact of all of this. some are going farther, blue and red states are doing this. where are we headed? is red america going to push, as blue holds back? or is there more common ground here than the numbers suggest? i am joined by my guests, rich, start with you. we mentioned, it is red states and blue states, doing some kind of reopening, it does vary in

degree, you have the president pushing aggressively, vupolling data, more republicans seem enthusiastic than democrats do. red states push more aggressively than blue states? >> yes, they will go faster. it is not as entirely a red state. colorado, governor polis has been reopening in the last couple of weeks. it is a geographic divide in house the virus has been experienced. a lot of red states, more rural, haven't been hit as hard as new york city and surrounding suburb, and probably never will be. that is an aspect driving the division. >> another question, michelle, there are data on people's movement. who is getting out of their house, moving around. what they are showing, this is

urban, rural, states with lockdown orders, and don't. folks within the last week, 10% or so, are starting to get out more. it raises the question to me, there is vast political differences on this. do people's behavior tell a different story? >> i am not sure how much of that we know yet. we know that there is fairly wide consensus on the need for the lockdowns, the need for social distancing, the need for masks, i think it is around the edges, you see polarization, mask wearing a culture war issue, something, i think it was just fd, the editer, of first things, catholic journal, saying wearing a mask was a sign of cowardis.

certainly, president trump polarized the response to this issue, made following public health guidelines seem to some extent a sign of democratic identity. it makes it more likely that some conservatives will -- you can see it, there is a story in the "times" today about texas, armed people, showing up to help businesses, that aren't allowed to reopen under the current order -- a tattoo parlor, people with semi-automatic weapons are standing there to make sure they can reopen. that is maybe on the edge. you are seeing, definitely, people who think that again, following the public health advice some sense, signals submission to democrats, and to

hated experts. >> a response to that i was asking if there would be a -- >> those are edge case, we did the lock down to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, which we succeeded at that. hospitals pushed to the edge in new york city, and new jersey. now that threat receded. we didn't want the virus to run out of control, it didn't. we wanted to flatten the curve, we have. it is time to have a conversation about opening up. it won't be a red phenomenon. this is a difficult question. it is not either/or, you have to balance public health risk, and

so, it is a balancing act, there won't be a right answer. some localities will get it wrong, some will that come up with good formulas, testing, tracing, how you open up a wonderful things, it has autonomy to states, and reacting to their own conditions on the ground. you don't need a one size fits all solution to this. new york is different than montana. it is doesn't make sense to have one policy on all of them. >> michelle, we see the shois that show more concern about the reopenings going too quickly. i wonder if what we are seeing

initially, out of georgia and florida. matching up what we have seen on the ground. several weeks in, imminent and instant catastrophe, when it was that would change blue america's attitude toward reopening. >> i think it is a m. -- blue america isn't extremely eager to reopen. people in new york city don't like living this way. people in new york city are suffering across the board. this is an intolerable and untenable way to live. the argument from blue america the way i see it you can't reopen

without a plan to contain the virus, to test, trace and isolate. what is so frustrating, is that as rich said, we have had this time where people locked down, and we are able to flatten the curve. although, not some of those places are open uppi. you have seen a failed federal response, the states waited for the federal government to act, any functioning government to ambassador, when they they were starting to stand up. that is not happens all over the place. >> we heard about documents

outbreaks taken, the national pitch, in metro areas around the country. you don't have a great -- seeing metro areas where you have outbreaks. >> you want to focus on that. testing is important everybody agrees. we hit a plateau, now, up in a relatively good position, and outbreaks are relatively small. they the idea that we can hold

on breath and keep the this underwater. hospitals bend the curve. >> i enjoyed the conversation. >> take care. >> still ahead. we talked about this it brand new polls in the race for pt.. head over to the big board. the numbers have changed a bit. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. of those, nearly 9 out of 10

sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ i see nothing in a different way ♪ ♪ and it's my moment so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs, or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. ♪

hold on one second... sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! he's here. he's right here. - hi! - hi. hey! - that's totally him. - it's him! that's totally the guy. safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today.

>> the president hasn't done his work, he hasn't done what he is supposed to do. this is ridiculous, the way he is talking. >> you heard the president. this is not politics, this is life. >> that is joe biden. how is he doing? brand new national poll out today. biden versus trump, what did they find? biden leads, five-point lead for joe biden. there is a bit of a change. the last time they took this poll, biden lead, the margin was 11. the margin down a 11 to five. every poll can show something that no other poll is showing,

what cnn is picking up on, a tightening is something that we have been seeing in the polls over the last week or two. if you take the average of every poll, biden up by five. what is the average of all of the different polls showing right now. put it up on the screen. it is about an 4.5 lead. biden, 47.47, trump, 43. a 4.5 lead for biden. three weeks ago, that lead for biden, up to six, seven, eight points in national polls, so, it is still an advantage, down to 4.5. that is a good place to be, as a candidate for president. remember what comes into play, the closer it gets, in 2016, donald trump doesn't have to have more of the national popular vote than his opponent,

he needs to be close enough to put the electoral college in play. that sets up an interesting poll within the poll. they took a bunch of battle ground states, arg contrary, cnn picked when they say are the battle ground states. they have, in the states they call the battle ground, trump leading 52-45. keep ta in mind. clear, here, by the way, when we say a battle ground poll. you are not talking about huge examples. it is a remindir that closer the polls get, the closer the national polls get, within, four, three, two, points, they

you get to the place where the electoral college kicks in we saw that in 2016. when biden has a lead, seven, eight, nine point, anything that happened in the electoral college, 2016, you have to think about it. it is a reminder from cnn, of that dynamic. you train yourself this. north 2016. remember, a lead for biden isn't necessarily a victory in n up next, the nursing homes, can we make these facilities safer going forward? we are back after this.

♪ this virus is testing all of us. and it's testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. so abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need.

and until this fight is over, we...will...never...quit. because they never quit. >> there are more two million elderly americans in these

facilities across the country. the toll that exacted is illucsic. many have withheld critical data on the topic. of all the coronavirus in this country, one out of every three come from nursing homes and long-term care facilities, exact numbers are hard to pin down, nationally, services for medicare and medicaid, that oversee nursing homes, the number of nursing homes with outbreaks nationwide, the number of those who died obsecuring the true toll in some states, deaths

for more, i am joined by the ceo of company that represents long term facilities. we don't have an exact count we all see the headlines, we all understand, you have a incredibly vulnerable population, set up there for a disaster. the question is, when you look at what has happened, is this, where does the failure lie on this. is it a failure on the government part here, to work with the nursing homes, the failures of the nurses homes themselves, what are you finding in reporting. >> nursing homes, not the nursing homes, themselves, not

the governments, not the family, as you said, as we now know, so many long term care facilities have been decimated by this strirus, the death toll is staggering and horrific. many nursing homes, according to watch dog groups and patient advocates did everything possible, trying to do everything possible to control the spread of this virus, there were some issues with nursing homes that had track records of failing to prevent the spread of infections, those were infractions, cites by federal inspectors. until the months before the pandemic struck. >> let me bring you, your former governor of and you now represent the facility that is we are talking about. the point made, there are a lost

cases here when this isn't any negligence on the case of the facilities, there are facilities, with a history of violations, still operating in spite of that and this was a particular issue. how bifg a problem do you think in the industry that you represent? >> the challenge here is that covid is not related to control problems, covid violates all the normal principles of infection control. folks can have the virus, showing no symptom, what happened in january, february, and march, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in the united states had covid with no symptoms, they continued to work in buildings, visiting knowledges, some of them, residents themselves, asymptomatic, the spread was inevitable. when you compare buildings that

have it, to ones that don't, there isn't infection control history. it is connected to the community that they are n there is a bunch of covid in the community, you will have covid in the nursing homes, my message is to the governors, if one of the ramifications can be, more people die. the policy prescription s of course we need to make sure that every facility is practicing infection control. that wouldn't have stopped us. the only way to stop is now is to keep covid out of the community and get a ton of testing in the building, to figure out who actually has it. >> what practical steps here are being taken and have proven effective to keep this out of nursing homes? i know in new york state, the governor there announced new restrictions, testing of residents, there is restrictions on who can come in and out of

these things, is there anything out there proven effective. and state they lack personal protectionive equipment. in some cases, patients with symptoms, not isolated. those who appeared to be healthy. in fact, there is a nursing home in maryland, fined $10,000 a day, because of infection control breakdowns, i think that you know, a number of things could help. good infection control. and more staffing, you know, nurses and aides get sick. staffing, i think it is a huge

issue, and governor let me ask you, a practical question, to any family who has a loved one, an elderly loved one, who they had been thinking about, or planning to put into an assisted care facility, on hold right now, can they realistically have confidence, before there is a vaccine, before there is an effective treatment, can they have confidence that it is okay to put an elderly family member into an assisted living facility? >> it is an enormous dilemma for family, i get it. my wife and i, before operated we owned and operated facilities, and residents, every day. the residents need a lot of help. they are 85, they have a ton of things they can't do and need help with. i understand, you don't want to put a loved one in a situation that you don't think is safe. the good news is, if we have what we need.

once we get the equipment and the tests that we need, we can safely take care of people. i would encourage people to talk to facilities, make sure they have covid isolated wings, the equipment they need, the testing that they need. we need all of the above. we have been denied that the policy prescriptions, that is the wrong direction. the right direction, get facilities what they need to fight this. if we do, we can make it better. i appreciate you both being here, the latest from the first hearing of a new house committee subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis, exposed the deep political fault lines when it comes to this pandemic. >> there were no textbooks, that have about taking care of vo vid

19 patients, there was no protocols to provide this level of quality care we are accustomed to. very little research for us to rely-. that we can apply to these situations.

-excuse me. uh... do you mind...being a mo-tour? -what could be better than being a mo-tour? the real question is... do you mind not being a mo-tour? -i do. for those who were born to ride, there's progressive. trust toyota to be here for you. many toyota service centers are open to help keep your vehicle in top shape. and may even offer no-contact vehicle drop-off. if you need a new vehicle, toyota is offering 0% financing and attractive leases on our most popular toyotas,

like camry, rav4 and tacoma. you can even shop and buy online from the comfort of your home. it's our promise to you. today and tomorrow. toyota. i wanted my hepatitis c gone. i put off treating mine. epclusa treats all main types of chronic hep c. whatever your type, epclusa could be your kind of cure. i just found out about mine. i knew for years. epclusa has a 98% overall cure rate. i had no symptoms of hepatitis c mine caused liver damage. epclusa is only one pill, once a day, taken with or without food for 12 weeks. before starting epclusa, your doctor will test if you have had hepatitis b, which may flare up, and could cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. tell your doctor if you have had hepatitis b, other liver or kidney problems, hiv, or other medical conditions...

...and all medicines you take, including herbal supplements. taking amiodarone with epclusa may cause a serious slowing of your heart rate. common side effects include headache and tiredness. ask your doctor today, if epclusa is your kind of cure. to helcvs pharmacyh the curris now offeringation free one to two-day delivery of prescriptions and everyday essentials. visit cvs.com/delivery or call your local pharmacy to learn more. free prescription delivery from cvs. truly transformative sleep. so, no more tossing and turning. because only tempur-pedic adapts and responds to your body... ...so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. during the tempur-pedic summer of sleep, all tempur-pedic mattresses are on sale! >> the fact that house is still not back in session, runs counter to the fact of the

message we can safely reopen. they should be back in washington for this briefing. >> that was the ranking republican member of the new he formed house subcommittee to to. it was virtual as you can see. the hearing that focused on reopening the economy got contentious when one witness noted the country had to shut down due to a lack of testing. >> it was inadequate testing that precip tated the national shutdown. >> i thought the shutdown was initiated to bend the curve so our health care system wasn't overwhelmed. we got a political statement from the first witness. >> to suggest we failed at our first attempt because we didn't have testing, which let the cases get out of control is not a partisan idea, it is fund mentally the basics of the biology of this virus, but the bottom line is if we let science and evidence guide us, i'm

moving forward, i believe we can have a great economy. >> and i'm joined now by nbc correspondent garrett haake. thank you for being with us. yesterday we had that senate hearing, that virtual senate hearing, anthony fauci and others testified there. today the house subcommittee takes the shot. was this purely a hearing that was sort of divided on the familiar partisan lines? were there different themes being pushed or did any common ground emerge from this today? >> no, contention was the baseline here at a briefing that shed far more heat than life. this was a very partisan affair with republicans pointing to this committee largely questioning even the subcommit's reason for existence. they argued this community is d redundant and doesn't need to exist and only there to score partisan points. they made their feelings about that issue very clear today in this virtual briefing perhaps there is some hope that tomorrow

being back in washington in a more familiar setting with a witness that's part of the administration might bend the congressional curve back towards something that looks more like the senate hearing we saw yesterday. >> the other news related to this is the dr. rick bright, the hhs official who says he was forced out of his job for pushing back on administration is set to testify before the house energy and commerce committee. in prepared testimony he says quote, the window of opportunity is closing if we fail to develop a national coordinated response based in science, i fear the pandemic will get far worse and be prolonged causing unprecedented illness and fatalities out clear planning and implantation of the steps i and experts outlined, 2020 will be the darkest winter in history. what are the expectations for this hearing tomorrow, garrett? >> some of that will depend how the questions go, whether they are forward looking or backward

looking. there is concern if the questions are about dr. bright's reassignment, the potential retaliation against him, based on his whistle blower complaint you could see more of the partisan back and forth whether or not he leans on his experience and the questions to him are more focused on 2020, the winter of 2020. again, the hope is that it could look more like the senate hearing that we saw yesterday, although, this would be fascinating tomorrow. this is a very large committee. you're going to have members essentially asking questions in shifts a chance to see what social distancing looks like in the house as they're still trying to figure out how to do even basic business like an oversight hearing like this. >> speaking of basic business in the house, the house set to vote on its new coronavirus relief legislation that would provide another round of stimulus payments to vote this week. this is nancy pelosi on that subject today. >> we put down what we think this country needs, and this is

not any wish list that is not related to coronavirus and to this time frame. we made that a criteria for consideration. this is all about the here and now. it isn't about politics. it about humanity. >> of course, politics are a part of this, garrett. this is what democrats want. republicans, though, they control the senate and white house. what is this in terms of where they are on a timetable for another stimulus? >> that's unclear. i mean, democrats did something smart here in that they put down their priorities on paper. whether or not this bill has any chance of becoming law, it's got a very tough road. the republican senate, the president said it's not going anywhere. at least we know what democrats want, and republicans in the senate have been divided on issues like whether or not there should be more aid for state and local governments, whether those should be given more flexibility to spend the money they have been given even on the timetable to do anything and, you know,

for senate republicans have been largely boxed out in this process. you had the speaker negotiating with steven mnuchin and when republicans get in the game in terms of thlaying out their bil that will certainly happen, just a question of when. >> car rigarrett haake. up next, one of our nbc news colleagues battling coronavirus. we'll be right back. colleagues battling coronavirus. we'll be right back.

looks like they picked the wrong getaway driver. they're going to be paying for this for a long time. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? line! the desert never lies. isn't that what i said? no you were talking about allstate and insurance. i just... when i... let's try again. everybody back to one. accident forgiveness from allstate. click or call for a quote today. the spread of covid-19.

to help, we're offering free prescription delivery, by simply going to cvs.com or calling your local cvs. so, stay safe. because the more we stay apart, the sooner we can all get back together.

and we want to give you an update on one of our nbc colleagues that you've seen frequently on air talking about the covid-19 pandemic. nbc science contributor dr. joseph fair is currently hospitalized with coronavirus. posting on twitter fair said that he is quote on the other end of it but not out of the woods yet and he urged everyone to continue to follow social distancing guidelines saying i used max precautions but still managed to contract it. obviously, we wish him the best here during his recovery. also a programming note tomorrow night. nbc presents a discussion with lawrence o'donnell and joe biden and they will be joined by stacy abrams in her first joint television interview with biden and if you have a question you'd like answered, visit ms nrks prp -- ms nbc.com/town hall.

a last word special with joe biden and stacy adrabrams and ny pelosi will join joy reid. you won't want that miss that, either. don't go anywhere, "all in with chris hayes" is up next. tonight on "all in," the new trump world crisis strategy, lie to you about the number of dead and attack dr. fauci. shocking new report shows the white house efforts to dupe the staff while trump tv does its part for the reelection campaign. plus, the trump gang escapes, how is it these three men have been let off the hook as the rest of america's prisoners face the pandemic behind bars. major league baseball's plan to restart this summer when "all in" starts now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. having