your vision for "operation warp speed" setting a goal of a vaccine by january 2021 will be one of the great scientific and humanitarian accomplishments in human history. today you're announcing the team that can get it done. dr. slaoui is the most experience the and most successful vaccine developer, responsible for some of the major recent breakthroughs in vaccines. general perna oversees one of the world's largest logistics and supply chain operations, the one that keeps the army running. three highly accomplished career hhs scientists will oversee each area of "operation warp speed." dr. peter marks of fda for vaccines, dr. janet woodcock of fda for they're pewter therape. we started work on each of these areas in january and congress has provided nearly $10 billion explicitly for this kind of

research and development effort. "operation warp speed" will integrate existing efforts that are coordinating vaccine therapeutic and countermeasure development including nih's active and rad x initiatives. this week hhs and dod already announced new contracts to manufacture hundreds of millions of needle and syringes here in america for distributing an eventual vaccine. finally, the president's efforts will ensure not only that we get vaccines, therapeutics and doctor tick diagnostics, but we get large donations so they're affordable for the american people. so, thank you, mr. president, and thank you to all of the american scientists and inventers at hhs, dod and elsewhere hard at work already. i want to express my personal appreciation to secretary esper and the department of defense because this partnership is what is going to make this truly an historic endeavor. thank you. >> thank you.

>> thank you. >> well, thank you, mr. president, for your leadership of this bold and historic initiative. the department of defense is very excited and committed to working closely with our partners at hhs, across the government and in the private sector to accomplish the mission we have been given. winning matters and we will deliver by the end of this year a vaccine at scale to treat the american people and our partners abroad. you know, the department of defense has been in this fight since day one, going back to january. we stayed ahead of the curve every step of the way. today, on america's streets, across the nation, over of 60,000 service members from all branches of the service are still out there, whether it is doctors and nurses in hospitals, whether it is national guard on the streets of america, or the core of engineers continuing to build out capacity at america's hospitals, we are there and we will be there, mr. president. and we look forward to this next greatest phase of this fight against the coronavirus.

we are all in then, we are all in now and we will be all in in the future and we will deliver on time, bringing the full weight to -- to bear the full weight of the department of defense, all of our first class, world class, researchers and scientists, our ability to manage logistics at scale, and our great distributional capabilities. we will deliver, we will win this fight, and mr. president, thank you again for all that you've done. we will get the job done. >> thank you. i know you will. i know you will. any questions, please? yeah, go ahead. >> mr. president, you said no vaccines, vaccine or no vaccine? what did you mean by that? >> we think we're going to have a vaccine in the pretty near future and if we do, we're going to really be a big step ahead and if we don't, we're going to be like so many other cases where you had a problem come in, it will go away at some point and will go away, and it may flare up and may not flare up,

we'll have to see what happens. if it does flare up, we'll put out the fire and we'll put it out quickly and efficiently. we have learned a lot. steve, do you have a question? >> we heard that the vaccine typically would take 12 to 18 months to develop. how can you do it in a speedier fashion? what makes you think this will work? >> well, they started actually i guess you heard in january, early january, and they have been working on it, i know so many and private companies have been working on it, government has been working on it. so we have got the time because we put a very -- they literally have been working 24 hours a day. so we have got -- we have got the time and we hope to be able to do something by the end of the year, or shortly thereafter. but, again, you know, it is not solely vaccine-based. other things have never had a vaccine and they go away. so i don't want people to think this is all dependent on vaccine, but a vaccine would be a tremendous thing and i will tell you, therapeutically or

therapeutics what is going on there is equally as impressive. we have some things happening, you know, we have the remdesivir from gilead, and other things that are very good, things are happening therapeutically. i can't say it is equal to what is going on with vaccines, but it is doing very well, very well. so therapeutics are a big factor. yeah, please. >> is there a global competition to develop this vaccine, like, france develops it first, will they share it with us? >> yeah, if -- and we have that very well worked out. whoever gets it is going to be very proud to give it and develop it and -- they developed it and we'll see what happens. we have got countries that are allies that are -- we have some countries frankly that aren't allies where we're working very closely together. we're working together with many different countries, and, again, we have no ego, we have no ego,

whoever gets it, we think it is great, we'll work with them, they'll work with us. likewise, if we get it, we'll work with them. good question, actually. please? >> what do you say to the business owners and other people who are really questioning the guidance that the cdc put out last night? there was a concern that it would be overly prescriptive. now a concern it is not prescriptive enough. what are business owners to do? >> i thought the guidance was very good. i heard very good reviews on the guidance. media will never be satisfied. if we gave you more description, that would be no good. if we gave you less, that would be no good. i thought it was good. i heard a lot of good things. go ahead, please, green. >> do you have any concerns about the abbott tests given -- >> no, abbott, it is a great test, a very quick test, it can always be very rapidly double-checked. if you're testing positive or negative, it can always be double-checked. but it is a very good test. very portable. very quick. okay. >> and what about china, what

happens if it is china that develops the vaccine. will the u.s. still have access to that vaccine? >> i would say the answer would be yes. i would say the answer is yes. go ahead, please. >> do you need a fully approved vaccine for everyone? >> excuse me, you've going to have to remove it, can't hear through -- >> you to need a fully approved vaccine for the entire general public or partially approved vaccine for emergency use? >> sorry, let me repeat that now that i'm closer to the mic. do you mean a fully approved vaccine for everyone, the full public or a partially approved vaccine with emergency use? >> we're looking for a full vaccine for everyone that wants to get it. not everybody is going to want to get it. we're looking at a full vaccine. is that a correct statement? >> yeah. >> please -- >> so the answer is yes, we're working for a fully approved vaccine, but we'll also use the tools we have for instance emergency use authorization as

appropriate. we use all of our regulatory tools to bring vaccine available for the entire american population by january. >> okay. and then mr. president, can you clarify why are some of you wearing a mask and why some of you not wearing a mask? >> we have all been tested. i've been tested. we have all been tested and we're quite a distance away and we're outdoors, so i told them, i gave them the option, they could wear it or not. you can blame it on me, but i gave them the option, wear it or not. please. >> -- would a u.s. vaccine be delivered to rest of the world at an affordable rate, at a low cost? >> the last thing anybody is looking for is profit in terms of what we're doing. every company, they want to get it out. we had that -- we had a great experience on remdesivir, great experience on everything we have done. people are looking to come up with the answer. they're not looking in -- they're saying how much am i going to make? they really -- there has been a great spirit on this. they want to get to the bottom of it. and i think we'll be able to do

that. >> mr. president, the indian american community appreciating your help in fighting the coronavirus. >> india has been so great and as you know your prime minister has been a very good friend of mine. i just got back a short while ago from india recently. and we're working very much with india too and we have a tremendous indian population in the united states. and many of the people that you are talking about are working on the vaccine too. great scientists and researchers, yeah. we're working very closely also with india, correct. and say hello to your prime minister. yeah, please, go ahead. >> thank you, mr. president. what steps, if any, is your administration taking to ensure that the communities and the states that are hardest hit will have first access to the vaccine? have these discussions been had or are there -- >> i think we have been a good

job with that. certain areas have been hit very hard, new york, new jersey, et cetera. we're working closely with the governors. we worked with all the governors. we made a lot of people look very good with what we did on ventilators, with what we have done on testing. we're working with all the governors. i just spoke to the governor of new jersey, who is a terrific person, by the way, i have to tell you, i told him, a lot of money is coming your way for the transit and also i spoke with governor of new york, governor cuomo, we just had a conversation yesterday, we're sending them a lot of transportation money. so it is important. but we have had a very good relationship, working with all of the states, regardless, all of the states. and if we do get fortunate enough and i think we're skilled enough, but fortunate enough to have a vaccine, it will get out fairly and quickly. >> do you foresee that states that are hardest hit will have first dibs so will, like, new york and new jersey have -- >> i think that makes sense,

perhaps, perhaps it does. but, you know, i would say probably, but i think they're all going to get well distributed. if you remember, where we started, we had no ventilators. we had to make them. we became a very major manufacturer of ventilators. now we're helping countries all over the world with ventilators. we're sending them to many countries all over the world. when we started, we didn't have ventilators, i inherited nothing. i inherited practically nothing from the previous administration. unfortunately. yeah, go ahead. >> mr. president, it has been three months since you signed the china trade deal. between what happened with coronavirus and the lagging agricultural purchases, are you at any point considering reimposing additional tariffs on china or tearing up the deal in any other way? >> i don't want to talk about it. i can say china is buying a lot of our product. but the trade deal, the ink was barely dry when it came in from china. so it is not like we're thrilled. okay, go ahead. please. >> can i ask one more -- >> yeah. >> i'm wondering if you're

standing by the nomination of michael pat to -- >> i don't know what happened. i know that voice of america is run in a terrible manner. terrible. they're not the voice of america. they're the opposite of the voice of america. and we have a man who is very good, i don't know, he's in the nominating process. but i'll have to check that out. yeah. please. >> thank you, mr. president. if public confidence is the main thing of getting people back to work, and back to schools, and so on, is this even possible without a vaccine? how would it be possible without a vaccine? public confidence in. >> i think a very big factor, frankly, is that very few people are, you know, we read about all of the very sad, very tragic, i've lost friends, many of us have lost friends, we read about that, and we see that and that's what the news covers, but a very, very -- a very small percentage, it is a very, very small percentage. i say it all the time.

it is a tiny percentage. the vast majority, many people don't even know they have it. they have it or they have sniffles or a minor sign and they recover, not only recover, they probably have immunity, whether it is short-term, long-term. but they have probably immunity. and i think people have to understand that, that's why i think the schools should be back in the fall. i think that lots of things should happen. i don't think that you should have 70-year-old teachers back yet. they should wait until everything is gone. i don't think you should have a professor that is 65 and has diabetes or has a bad heart back necessarily or somebody that is older than that. but we want to see our schools back, we want to see our country start to work again. we created the greatest economy in the history of the world. and we're going to do it again and you're going to see that next year and it is going to start -- you'll start to see it in the fourth quarter, maybe even before that. yeah in. >> are you at all concerned

about children or teachers who are in the school bringing it home to their families? their spouses? their grandparents? >> i'm concerned about everything. i'm also concerned about our country. our country has to get back. and, you know what you're talking is when you are doing what we did with the shutdown, that causes death also. it causes massive depression. it causes drugs. it causes suicide. it causes a lot of problems also. no, our country has to get back to work again and you see that just looking and reading everything that is happening, our people want to get back. they want to get back. >> sir, do you have plan to prevent the spread? >> we do. we have a great plan to prevent the spread. that doesn't mean we're going to close our country for five years. not going to happen. go ahead. >> the current death toll is about 86,000? >> at current, it is about 86,000, yes. >> do you think that's accurate or do you think it is higher than that? >> i don't -- or lower than that. i don't know. i don't know.

those are the numbers that are being reported. i assume they're correct. unlike other countries, i mean, you have some countries obviously, some that are obviously ridiculous, but our numbers are accurate numbers. we don't do anything with the numbers one way or the other. whatever it is, that's what we do. we take the numbers as reported. okay. >> do you have any indication they could be lower than that? >> i don't know. i don't know. if they were, i would be very happy if they were lower. i would like to see numbers lower, i'd like to see no death at all. one death is too many. this should have never happened. this came from china. it should have been stopped in china before it got out to the world. we have 186 it has been updated this morning, 186 countries are affected. and each country that is affected is the same thing. russia now is badly affected. france is badly affected. you look at what each country and you can say, affected or you can say infected. either way you want to put it.

but you look at these countries, look at italy and you look at spain and look at all of these great countries in many cases, how they have -- how they had to fight through this. it is a terrible thing that happened. could have been stopped at the source. should have been stopped at the source, but it wasn't. thank you, all, very much. we appreciate it. thank you. thank you. >> good afternoon. i'm chuck todd with my co-host katie tur. president trump just wrapped up. this comes one day after the nation's top vaccine expert dr. rick bright testified before the house and yesterday dr. bright warned he believes the timeline for a vaccine will be much longer than the 12 to 18 month prediction being touted now. but president trump struck a much more optimistic tone today, telling the american people he would like to see a vaccine ready to distribute by the end

of this year. >> another essential pillar of our strategy to keep america open is the development of effective treatments and vaccines as quickly as possible. want to see if we can do that very quickly. we're looking to -- when i say quickly, we're looking to get it by the end of the year, if we can. maybe before. we're doing tremendously well. its objective is to finish developing and then to manufacture and distribute a proven coronavirus vaccine as fast as possible. again, we would love to see if we could do it prior to the end of the year. >> and joining us now from the white house is nbc news' shannon petty pace. dr. moncaf slaoui, a former pharmaceutical exec, why him? and what is the hope that he brings to this operation? >> well, he has a tremendous

amount of experience bringing vaccines to market. one of those is the cervical cancer vaccine that came in the market within the past ten years and he's supposed to be maybe the vaccine czar, if i can use that word. but the head adviser for this group that the president is now announcing today. there has been a lot of work going on with vaccines since this virus was first identified. but the president is trying to announce, the message he's trying to get across today, he's hoping to bring together the military and the public health and hhs aspects of the government to do some sort of manhattan style project to incredibly accelerate the development of a vaccine. you heard him talk about the end of the year. normally it takes decades. that's the goal and the benchmark he's laying out today. >> and this group isn't necessarily doing the vaccine research. this group, correct me if i'm wrong, their job is to prepare to distribute a massive amount of the vaccine.

the vaccine research is going on throughout there in multiple countries, mulle pharmaceutical labs, right? multiple universities. this is all -- the different trials going on all over, i assume this is almost as much about distribution as anything else? >> right. i mean, there are parts of the u.s. government that are involved in the research. the nih, for example, it is pharmaceutical companies, it is other countries, it is independent research labs out there that are doing the real science to this. what the u.s. government can do is help expedite the process, get some of the red tape moved out of the way, help get a quicker fda review for starting a clinical trial or reviewing the date why and the mia and th component of this. trump is saying the military will be the ones sent out to distribute what could be hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine across the country. so not only do we need to

develop a vaccine, but we have to distribute it widely which is unlike anything we have ever had to do before and as a country, to distribute quickly a vaccine on that level. so that's what the president is trying to bring the government together to do. >> shannon, i was struck by how confidently and optimistically not just the president was speaking, but dr. clowy was speaking, promising millions of doses by the end of 2020. that doesn't line up with what we're hearing from the other experts that have been testifying on capitol hill or ones that we have spoken to here at nbc news and msnbc. they all said 12 to 18 months is absolutely the fastest you can do this. and that's if everything goes perfectly and nothing goes perfectly. a lot of vaccines take 10 to 20 years. is there any internal debate within the white house about what to promise and whether overpromising might be a little risky?

>> well, this president has never been hesitant to overpromise things, especially throughout this entire process. he's talked about having churches filled, on easter, he's talked about deaths could be as low as 50,000 to 60,000. the vice president talked about this being behind us by memorial day. there is a pattern of overpromising. on the way things look for this vaccine development, you know, maybe there is some behind the scenes data that is giving these -- the government confidence that we as a public haven't seen. but for those on the outside of this, who haven't gotten a chance to pull back the kimono and look at the data on the vaccine trials out there, they're saying under the fastest circumstances, vaccine takes years to develop because you have to study it in people. have to find the people to test it in, have to make sure there is enough virus in the population to actually test it in them and then have to give it time to see if it works and to see if it is safe. so those are all steps you just can't skip over no matter how much you want to. >> shannon, i know you got to

get back and get some reporting, but you started this off by calling the doctor essentially the vaccine czar. if i asked you who would you identify as the testing or contact tracing czar inside the west wing or white house these days? >> well, i think testing has become admiral giroir, sort of taken on that, at least the public face, so the administration is trying to put him out there. deborah birx has been involved in that. and hhs and cms as well. but that's been one of the struggles. here we are in may, and we now have -- dubbing this person the vaccine czar, so who has been in charge all this time? >> today's event seemed like why didn't we have this testing and tracing version of this event, oh, by the way, six weeks ago. shannon petty piece, thank you. >> experts warn even if the world was able to quickly develop a vaccine, that is only half the battle. getting it into the hands of the

american people will be an equally daunting task. you just heard the president say he's going to get the military involved. joining us now is dr. margaret hamburg, former fda commissioner for president obama. thank you so much for joining us. what are the logistics of getting millions of doses to the american public? >> well, you know, it is -- first, a huge challenge to actually get this vaccine made or several vaccines made, manufactured, and ready for distribution. and then we have to have a plan for how it is going to be distributed. it is very unlikely that just right off at the start we're going to have a vaccine dose for every american. moreover, many of the vaccines that are currently in development may actually require booster doses, so it may not just be one shot and done. i think we need to prioritize.

we need to make sure the vaccine gets to those at highest risk, certainly front line responders, those in congregate settings like nursing homes that are at high risk. and then think about the rest of the distribution. we have a fragmented healthcare system and people get their vaccines through different mechanisms, through their healthcare system and doctor's office, at cvs, at school-based programs, or vaccination campaigns. we're going to have to look at what are the most effective mechanisms as well. and frankly, this is not just a u.s. problem. and when we think about making vaccines and distributing them, we also need to be thinking about the needs of the rest of the world, because this is a global pandemic. it needs a global solution and we cannot be fully safe here unless we address the challenge around the world. this is not an easy undertaking.

>> what do you make of the american military getting involved? >> well, the department of defense and the military is very, very good at logistics. they also have experience with vaccines and distribution and their use. and certainly in a crisis, they can help undertake activities in ways that most other organizations don't have the capability or the experience. so i think, you know, engaging them in some way is not unreasonable. we certainly don't want to have a situation like we used to have in the early days of major vaccination campaigns where people were lined up for hours snaking around street corners to get their vaccines under the conditions of a respiratory

virus like this that spreads person to person. we're going to have to find a way to distribute that also doesn't involve distributions in the need for social distancing as we distribute. so i think this is the time to be thinking about these issues. but it isn't immediately obvious how it should be undertaken. >> dr. hamburg, i'm curious, i assume the flu vaccine this fall is going to be at a level of demand we haven't seen in some time. and so you're going to have to ramp up manufacturing of that. at the same time, there is a -- walk me through the logistical challenges of the next six months. are we -- are we headed -- we haven't been able to get the testing, we saw the struggles we had to distribute testing -- test kits quickly and still trying to figure that out. why shouldn't we be skeptical that, boy, between flu vaccine and the vaccine that we're trying to do here, we're asking

our system to do more than it can handle. >> well, i agree. it is going to be a very challenging fall, no matter what, with both seasonal flu, and, you know, almost certainly a continuing challenge with covid-19, we don't know the magnitude of what that will look like in the fall. but i think it is very sure that covid-19 will be with us. flu vaccine is a very standardized process and it goes forward every year in a coordinated way. we have more manufacturing capacity that this country than we did a while back because of concerns about the ability to scale up if we have a pandemic threat. and that is helpful. we still don't have the kind of flu vaccine we really need and many have been pushing for that for years to really get a universal flu vaccine that would be broadly protective. so we didn't have to do it every

year. but if we have a covid-19 vaccine as well that will obviously create new complexities, do we deliver the vaccines together, do they need to be opera to be separated in time to be most effective. are there certain candidate covid-19 vaccines that actually might not do well in accompaniment with flu vaccine? we need to think about all those issues. we need the best possible scientists working on this, and, you know, we need to really be working again as a global scientific enterprise to think through all these challenging issues. >> you know, as chuck said, sometimes logistics can be just as tough as the science. dr. margaret hamburg, thank you very much for joining us. and coming up, a new warning from the cdc about the rare covid related illness impacting children. even the cdc now admitting that

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and the fda issued a warning about the abbott rapid coronavirus test. a study from nyu, not peer reviewed, indicated the test has a high rate of false negatives, up to 50% in some circumstances. the abbott test is used by the white house and moments ago the

president said he has full confidence in the test. >> did you have any concerns about the abbott test given some of the new numbers that have come out? >> abbott is a great test, it is a very quick test and it can always be very rapidly double-checked. if you're testing positive or negative, it can always be double-checked. but it is a very good test. very portable. very quick. >> fda commissioner stephen hahn said while the test can still be used, doctors should be wary of the potential for false negatives. >> we want to make sure that providers have the information that -- about the operating characteristics of the test, about what the test does. for example, if a person you suspect, a doctor suspects a person has the disease, it may be worth if the test is negative getting a second confirmtory test. >> in response to the warning, abbott said, quote, we're seeing studies being conducted to understand the role of i.d. now

in ways that it was not designed to be used. in particular, the nyu study results are not consistent with other studies. so, chuck, in some cases a 50% false negative rate. that means it would have to be cross checked with a much higher sensitivity test. it is unclear, though, who needs to get double-checked, especially if you're going to the white house, getting checked every single day, why the president is saying he doesn't need to wear a mask. at what point do they decide, i don't know if i trust this particular result, and then test that person again? and what test would they be using? >> i mean, this has got it be a real challenge for the white house medical unit. this abbott test was a game changer, they thought, for them and certainly for the workplace. and so suddenly this having such a high error rate, one would assume that they're not going to continue to use this test despite what the president said, i'm guessing it is my understanding that test is a lot

less invasive, that's why the president likes that test better than the one that -- where the swab goes way up your nose. but this seems to be, look, this is going to continue to be a longer term issue as more independent entities make their own tests, we have been learning for instance that a lot of universities as they prepare to think about how they're going to bring kids on to campus, they're going to their medical schools and their labs and saying we're going to make our own test. the president of howard said they plan to make their own test. so i actually think this is going to become a bigger problem for the fda and bigger challenge as there are more tests from more entities on the market. let's move on, the cdc is warning doctors about a rare covid-related illness impacting children. we have been telling you about this for a week now. multisystem inflammatory syndrome has been reported now in 19 states as well as washington, d.c. the cdc sent out an advisory yesterday asking doctors with suspected cases to report them,

noting there is limited information about the mysterious illness. bottom line, the cdc wants more information. joining us is dr. redlener, pediatrician, director of columbia university's national center for disaster preparedness and in a recent op-ed, he writes about the impolitics for what he calls the pandemic generation. i think you were writing with a bigger picture in mind, but here we are, this is -- this, to me, is what the scariest part of the virus is as we move on here, which is we don't know what happens sort of three weeks after you had the virus. what are the long-term side effects? what are the long-term impacts of this virus? we're thinking about societal, but now potential ways this is trigger i triggering syndromes in the genetic code. what do you make of this, sir? >> so originally when this all first started, we were under a sort of wishful thinking

illusion that somehow children were going to be pretty much spared by the pandemic and for the most part they absolutely are. so people should take that into perspective. there are actually a couple hundred cases of this new syndrome around the country. and it is dangerous. and has been lethal. but in perspective, it is going to still be a small fraction of the number of people that are affected, particularly adults being much more predominantly impacted. what you're saying is true. we're looking at a basically disease or syndrome that resembles pretty dangerous disease that we often -- rarely seen in infants and toddlers called kawasaki syndrome. and there are characteristics of this new post covid infection that are very similar it that, but still we don't really have a treatment or real understanding of why children are developing this new syndrome. i completely agree that the cdc

was correct in making doctors aware of the possibility of this developing after this is weeks or months after a child has actually had exposure to covid. a lot of those children who are initially exposed will not have symptoms. so we won't know that we're looking at this or that particular child, but we should be keeping ourselves very aware of this possibility as time goes on and maybe other syndromes that develop that look mysterious and are not exactly explainable immediately. >> i thought your op-ed was really interesting. and it -- it was particularly interesting when you consider the other adverse effects of what this pandemic might be doing on a whole generation of kids. you write it is impossible to overstate what this crisis will mean for the -- what you call in the pandemic generation, this prolonged unpredictable and highly contagious disease is up ending their education, family lives, social relationships, resiliency and opportunities to

pull themselves out of multigenerational cycles of poverty. the result might be a gap between relatively affluent children and those in poverty deeper than at any other time in modern history. you also go on to say that you believe there should be something of a bipartisan marshal plan in order to salvage the futures -- this generation's future. can you expand on that? >> i can. this is something that i'm -- we have been working on for many, many years, children in poverty and the impacts that that poverty, poor education, lack of access to healthcare, has on children. and what happens now is with this pandemic affecting children disproportionately affecting families and children who are already suffering adversities of racial disparities and poverty and all of that, so what we're potentially looking at is a

conceivably a doubling of the number of children living in poverty. and the other thing that is so worrisome, katie, is that these are children who were already struggling in schools, many of them, in poorly performing schools, they lost now a good part of the 2019-2020 school year and they may be losing a good part of the 2021 academic year, the year that is supposed to start in september. these kinds of impacts on the education of children already dealing with adversity can have very, very far reaching effects and it is critical, we believe, that we start looking now at what we're going to do to mitigate the consequences, disparities that are happening on that -- happening for children who are living in poverty already. we could be setting back the progress we made on children and poverty by decades now and i think a massive plan to think about this as part of the relief

process is necessary. >> and this is going to be global. this just today, u.n. children's fund issued a warning, 1.2 million extra deaths among kids under 5 over the next six months simply because of kids suddenly losing access to healthcare, losing access to staying above the poverty line and things like that. so this will become a global problem as well. dr. irwin redlener, very thoughtful and provocative op-ed, i hope people take a look at it themselves and thank you for your expertise. katie, over to you. you're going to make me cry. let's move on. coming up, the president blames china again for the pandemic. and his trade advisers accuse the government of trying to steal u.s. research on a vaccine. rnment of trying to steal u.s. research on a vaccine. just because someone grows older does that mean they have to grow apart from their friends, or from the things they love to do? with right at home, it doesn't.

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interesting, katie, coronavirus is now the central battleground between the u.s. and china. china responding at a state level, rather diplomatically, not saying much except asking that america should cut out the cold war rhetoric. but at a state media level and often at the state media level that you find out what the chinese are really thinking, completely different reaction to president trump's suggestion of cutting off relations altogether with china. the times saying this is lunacy, something that has not been heard from any u.s. president, saying it is hardly surprising from a president who suggested injecting disinfectant into covid-19 patients. but the really interesting point that they make in their editorial is about election strategy in the u.s. they are suggesting that panic is beginning to set in in

washington. that president trump will not be re-elected in november. and that the strategy now is to blame china for everything, that this will just get worse in the months leading up to november. and it is calling on chinese people to be prepared for washington to indeed cut off relations in certain areas, like technology and like the economy. now, the interesting thing is you will know, katie, that officials in washington have been talking in recent days about the position of chinese companies, on the new york stock exchange, about removing chinese companies from the u.s. supply chain, even about limiting chinese students access to study science in the u.s. so there is, you know, some justification, if you like, for what the global times are saying, but they are basically preparing china for a long battle, not just obviously over trade, but over the coronavirus itself in advance of november's

election. just one quick fact also, katie, that is interesting. china has not reported a single death from coronavirus for a month now. and today only reported four new cases in one cluster. so china definitely trying to argue from a position of strength that it has its pandemic under control. that's what it says. >> bill neely, thank you very much. joining us now is a former u.s. diplomat and director of the aspen security forum, the author of "this brave new world: india, china and the united states" and co-author of an op-ed, "how to use the next stimulus to counter china." i want to start with when i was first learning about what the u.s. government thought china was hiding in regards to the virus, and they weren't going on the record and i said why aren't you going -- if you got this evidence, go to the united nations, this is big, and this

person said to me, we rely too much on china for pharmaceuticals, too much for ppe, we can't pick this fight now and two days later they pick the fight anyway. but this to me seems to be the challenge we're in right now, we're so reliant on the -- if we become so reliant on some things in china, and we now need to decouple, apparently, decouple fast. >> thank you for having me, chuck. happy to be here. we are decoupling very rapidly. and, you know, as your correspondent says, u.s./china relations are really in free fall, which is pretty dangerous for all of us. instead of focusing so much on tearing china down, my view would be -- there should be some very limited decoupling of supply chanin chains.

bringing the manufacturing home and maybe some advance pharmaceuticals, but the idea that we're going to totally decouple these two economies strikes me as painting with too broad a brush. >> it does seem as if, though, this though this is a new cold war. it does seem as if both countries think if they get the vaccine, they get to be the winner around the world. how concerned are you that this race for the vaccine could essentially crash into itself because of this rising cold war? >> yeah. you know, my colleague at stanford and some colleagues have been working on exactly this. and what they find in their economic modelling is that what common sense would tell you too, i think the whole world makes a vaccine a competition. we're not as well off as if we make it a collaboration, especially the production and distribution of it. and i think what you heard the

president saying just a short while ago is we're racing ahead with an american solution and i worry that that doesn't do the best for the most amount of people. >> in short, very quickly, the future of u.s.-china relations, given where the politics of china are now, it doesn't matter. it's going to get more hostile no matter who is the next president? >> i'm not sure it will get more hostile but certainly you see the two campaigns outdoing each other on who can be tougher on china. i'm sure you reported on the recent pugh poll. it's up 20% from just two years ago. so the idea that we'll go back to the relations between the u.s. and china that we had under the obama administration, i think is unlikely to happen no matter who's in the white house in november. hopefully they'll be a little bit more nuanced in china policy

going forward and as i said, before let's build ourselves up not tear them down. >> yeah. i haven't covered a presidential campaign since 1992 where the winner didn't use china bashing as one of their paths to victory, bill clinton or george bush, you name it. bashing china is a standard operating procedure there. thank you for coming on and sharing your expertise and views with us. i appreciate it. katy, over to you. up next, chuck, some regions in new york begin to reopen today. among those getting back to business in this new age of social distancing are drive in movie theaters. you're watching msnbc. you want immune support you can trust.

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new york is nbc's chris jansing. hey there, chris. >> hey. so look at this. i mean this is a typical kind of place that's going to reopen. they can sell their garden products now. but, this is a big but, they've been getting, you know, the regulars. the big attention going to the drive ins where we're told folks are selling out the tickets as one owner of a drive in in nearby orange county said to me, people just want to feel like things are normal again. so she has been hustling to get ready for tonight. here's what she told me. >> it's been crazy here. we are trying to get a lot of stuff done with the new social distancing. everything -- normally what we take a month to do, we were doing it in less than a week. five days. i feel that the drive in theater is very important to people for some mental health, some

enjoyment. we need to get out and do some things and not feel so closed in. and this is a way of enjoyment and entertainment that we can do safely. >> now the big thing is how do they do this safely? they'll only have half capacity. that means you'll have 19 feet for your car. if you want to bring the lounge chairs and turn the car around and put up the hatch back and bring yourself a picnic, you can do that as well. katy, one thing that we're hearing from the drive-in owners is that there are people talking about what am i going to do with the kids because maybe this is an opportunity for something we haven't done in several months which is date night. so maybe this will be the return of the drive-in. we will see. >> oh, my gosh. tony and i could totally use that. chris jansing, you're tempting us, chris. thank you very much. chuck, over to you. i'm sure you and christian could use that too, chuck.

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i'm chuck todd. it is 11:00 a.m. out west, 2:00 p.m. in the east. here's the facts. briefing held on the rose garden, president trump announced his plan to have a vaccine by the end of the year. >> our task is so urgent that under operation warp speed, the federal government will invest in manufacturing all of the top vaccine candidates before they're approved so we're knowing exactly what we're doing before they're approved. that means they better come up with a good vaccine because we're ready to deliver it. this will eliminate any unnecessary delay and enable us to begin providing americans with a proven vaccine the day our scientists say we're ready. we got it. >> he also unveiled two new additions to his operation warp speed effort. the former head of glaxosmithkline vaccine division and four star army general gustav parnam.

sales had the biggest decline sales on record. basically the country was shut down in april. they expect spending to rise this month as stores reopen but say the climb back will be slow given millions much of americans remain out of work. let me before he in my co-anchor for the hour, katy tur with the latest numbers as we track this virus. katy? >> chuck, here they are. there are more than 1.4 million confirmed cases of covid-19 in the united states. more than 87,000 people have lost their lives. as well we say those are only the people that have been tested. the u.s. issued about 10 million tests so far. we're currently testing an average of 330,000 people per day. that is a big improvement from where we were. but experts warn it is not enough. the harvard global health institute said last week the u.s. should be performing 900,000 tests per day by today.

by today. >> okay. i mean we've been waiting, right? president just wrapped up the vaccine announcement event in the rose garden. in the next hour, the white house will hold the press briefing. they had a plan in place to deal with the pandemic this whole time. >> i just wanted to outline our pandemic preparedness. the obama-biden plan that has been referenced was insufficient. it wasn't going to work. so what our administration did under the leadership of president trump is do an entire 2018 pandemic preparedness report. we'll have a full update tomorrow for you guys at the briefing, line by line of how prepared we were for this pandemic. >> and this came under questioning yesterday in the hearing the former top vaccine expert said this about the plan.

>> the white house put forth in september of 2018 a national biodefense plan. did you participate in that national biodefense plan? >> i did. many of us did. those plans have been in place and disappointing they were not pulled out in january of this year and followed. they were not put on the table with the strong leader indicating these are our plans. everyone fall in line. >> joining us now is senior white house correspondent for nbc news. granted we heard about this and she made this pledge to give us more about all of these pandemic plans that they've had in place and that they put in place and after action reports which we have seen some reporting on. it's our understanding that's what today's briefing is about. is that still the agenda? >> yes. we have got no update other than that. we'll find out more in about 30 minutes now and this briefing

schedule. in reference to the pandemic crisis 5:00 plan that the speaker referenced, a lot of white house officials, me and my colleagues reached out to yesterday didn't really know about this. and wasn't sure what she was referencing. and one of the reasons for that might be that this is something that was only mentioned publicly once at the white house. that was by second azar who brought it up in the context of talking about the pandemic flu planning that the administration had done and talked about how this plan and the plans they had in place were built on really 15 years of preparation that successive presidents had done to get to this point. there is one other reference to this plan that has been out there and that is this was a plan that was used for an exercise called crimson contagion that they reported on. that exercise found a number of big deficiencies in this plan including shortage of supplies which we have seen now. so the plan that she's talking

about now doesn't necessarily have the best track record in exercises and dr. bright was referencing, you know, there could have been plans but he didn't feel those plans were followed. so that's another criticism out there. >> when you read crimson contagion and the after action report and recommendations, it reads like what we're dealing right now. it reads like real life now, all the shortage thez discovered in the exercise and lo and behold, we're staring at them now. sharon, thank you. katy, over to you. and, chuck, the house will vote today on the next round of coronavirus relief. that chamber is expected to pass the $3 trillion package put forth by house democrats. the heroes act including $1 trillion to state and local governments and extension of unemployment benefits and another round of direct payments to americans. but even if it passes the house as it expected it will, it will likely be dead on arrival in the senate. so joining us now is msnbc

capitol hill correspondent garret hague. why is that? >> because it wasn't negotiated in any phase with republicans who control the senate and the white house and will have their own different priorities that they'd like to see included in the next relief bill. now really only within the last 24 hours have we heard from republican leaders saying they're do definitively think there will be an extra relief bill. kevin mccarthy was asked about it this morning. th they acknowledge they think more needs to be done. unlike the previous relief bills where there is disagreement around the edges, republicans and democrats are not on the same page at all about what they think needs to be in relief bill. and so this bill that will pass the house today and leadership in both parties do expect it to still pass, is more about laying out the marker for democrats, what their priorities are. republicans largely are trying to decide what they think this crisis calls for.

>> garret, have we gone back to politics as usual? even though we're in the middle of a pandemic? >> you say back as though we had had ever gotten too far from it. i think there was a moment here for a short period of time where there was universal acknowledgement that something needed to be done and that something needed to be big. that's why you had speaker pelosi working directly with the treasury secretary to hammer out agreements on thig agreements these earlier bills. now we're seeing restlessness from rank and file law makers that have been home for the last month or so that want to be involved in this process, who want their own ideas includeded and don't want it to be done just from a top down approach. so in that sense, yeah. i think we're seeing things slide back to normal. i think there is still in the backs of the minds and occasionally coming out of their mouths acknowledgement if leaders in both parties that we are at an extraordinary circumstances and a bill not perhaps too different from this one, $3 trillion is the most

expensive thing that congress ever passeded in in a single biy be needed. it's a question what goes nvenlt the thing to watch is what do republicans actually want? they said what they don't like this in bill. i heard very little prescriptively from republicans about what they think this crisis requires in the next, you know, three to six months. >> it's hard to hear going back to normal for people out there who are still very much struggling and hurting at this time. garret haake, thank you for your reporting. most medical experts believe the only way to reopen safely is to test more people. but with all things, there are limits. so what needs to happen in the united states to increase our testing abilities? joining us now is senior scholar at the john hopkins center for health. the doctor, always going to see you. i'm a little confused about where we stand with testing. the abbott test is at the white house. there are studies that show it's only maybe 50% accurate which is

not anything more than a coin toss. the what we're seeing from our correspondents that are traveling to south korea is that they can do immediate testing outside of the airport. they're spitting into a vile and tested on the spot within hours. why are we not able to do that here? why can't we buy that test and try to ramp it up in this country? >> these are really obvious questions that don't have obvious answers. it makes no sense that we're still kind of struggling with testing in certain areas that we're hearing about and lower sensitivity because people probably are not using the abbott test correctly. it is supposed to be done on a certain type of viral media. . there are lots of directions not being followed with that that decreased the sensitivity. the simple question we asked is why it takes so long to get a positive result? it got much, much better in hospitals right now. i can say from my own personal experience, it's world's better.

i think we need to be able to test in the community, in the certain situations with travelers, with -- if we're going to have sports events. those types of things need this type of testing. we have to get this problem completely fixed so it is seamless and we can test just as easy as we test for strep throat. >> you said there is no easy answer, doctor. i mean if, we could get the south koreans scaling up their model and just doing it here, if they've got the instant testing technology, this is an ally. you know, this doesn't seem to be what is the hurdle? >> it's something that a lot of us are shaking our heads and trying to figure out what is going on here. south korea consistently led in testing, consistently been innovative in their approach and it's paid off. they've had an outbreak that is much more controllable and less disruptive than we have. it does make sense to look at those technological solution that's are so successful in south korea and trying to adapt them or bring them here.

we have to think about how we move forward in the midst of this pandemic. it's not going anywhere. we have to find a safe way to come to peace with this virus and figure out how to risk what we do. and to do that, if you have the testing available basically at the point of care everywhere, it makes everybody's day a lot easier when you try to decide who is infected and who is not and what is safe activity and what's not? >> doctor, do you have any idea what the president might say testing could be overrated? ? >> what's going on is mixing up two things. it's not a case we have to test everybody every day and test people when there is no suspicion. but with very to test enough to be able to do things safely. so someone needs to come in for surgery. we need to test them to make sure they're not carrying this and test patients that have mild symptoms. so testing is a major corner stone of what we do. it's not the only thing we need

to do contact tracing. we need to have personal protective equipment and think about how to manage these patients in the hospital. so it's one huge part of the puzzle. it's not everything but it is a major part of it. >> doctor, as always, thank you for your expertise. it's always helpful to our viewers. lot of american cities are experiencing a devastating surge of coronavirus cases and deaths largely unfolding out of global view. analysis by "the new york times" found increase in deaths in brazil, peru and weak dor rival the worst outbreaks around the world. because hospitals have fewer resources, the pandemic is taking a brutal toll. many of the governments are not reporting -- are reportedly not fully accounting for the dead. a lot of questionable governments when it comes to their statistics. the times citing officials say the mexican government has not reported hundreds of possible or

possibly thousands of covid-19 deaths in mexico city alone. now we have a grim new report from an overwhelming morgue in mechl cove city. we have this sky news exclusive. a warning, folks, some of the images we're about to show you are very disturbing. >> reporter: they never stopped burning. black smoke billows out from mexico city's crematorium. they're cremating here on an industrial scale and the bodies don't stop coming. they're at full capacity already. the coronavirus pandemic has struck and mexico is powerless to stop it. first the cue to deliver the cargo of covid-19 victims. there is a three day wait list. in full hazmat gear, they deliver the bodies to the huge

ovens. the covid-19 coffins are piled up waiting to be destroyed. this is early morning and there's lots of coffins already. they're cleared each day. sky news investigated this with the help of staff we visited multiple morgues and spoke to and visited dozens of hospitals, cemeteries and funeral parlors. the story is always the same. they can't deal with the bodies. the fridges are full. the body bags are on gurneys waiting for collection. in an autopsy room, the investigation tables are now redundant. they're surrounded by body bags. there is no room in the rest of the hospital's morgue facilities.

in this storage room, the bodies are piled on wood enpal et cetera. workers say there are three more rooms like this make shift morgues. the funeral parlor worker has to pick through the corpses to find the right body to take away for cremation. this is what it's like. there are so many dead it's hard to keep track and in truth, this is only the beginning. outside, a family member asked the hearse driver to stop. he wants to seat bodin' side the coffin. the system is so overstretched, he wants to make sure he's about to cremate his actual family member. he, like most people we spoke to here, doesn't trust the government or the system. it's breaking down. what is staggering is number of people being cremated in the volume of hearses and traffic. it just doesn't stop. the cues are huge. >> they flattened coronavirus

curve and that there is going to be a huge dropoff in the number of deaths being recorded. our own analysis of 30 different crematoriums show that isn't the case at all. they're all working to full capacity. that means at least 600 people a day are dying here. >> stewart ramsey with sky news with that report. you know, katy, it is worth noting that mexico's president, he was downplaying this virus early on. he was running into crowds. he was not talking about social distancing. so this catching up to mexico is creating, i think, more of a credibility problem for him as there continues to be a big divide growing in that country between a bit of haves and have nots. >> absolutely. look at the effects. we're not just seeing it in mexico. the most widely known story is

about what is happening in brazil downplaying it down there. it's a problem across the world. and not a lot of focus has been on what's happening not just in latin america but in south america as well. and we're going to get those numbers and it's going to be staggering there as it has been everywhere else in the world. moving on though. coming up later this hour, new hope in the search for a vaccine. we'll have a story from the uk with the latest developments. plus, the call from 140 world leaders to provide vaccines and treatments free of charge to everyone. everywhere. how do they hope to make that happen? but first, from water parks in arizona to restaurants in virginia, we'll look at the restrictions lifting today in states all across the country. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one.

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garret haake. garret haake today some businesses in battleground virginia are allowed to reopen. part of a phase one of governor ralph northom's forward virginia plan. business that's are allowed to open are outdoor restaurants, salons and tattoo parlors. joining me from mineral, virginia, is katie beck. what are you seeing? >> what we're seeing is boats piling in here at the marina. we got here this morning it was sort of a slow start to the day. and now with all the gorgeous weather, we're seeing lots of

boats fill the slips and lots of people fill the restaurant behind me which is an outdoor space. they are keeping tables six feet apart and supposed to be keeping their numbers at 50% capacity. that is per the governor's rules for most of the state. it is important to keep in mind that there are two major areas that are not open today and that is the city of richmond and all of northern virginia area. and that is because they have not seen the decline in cases that they had hoped to by now to enter phase one. so those two areas are going to stay at phase zero for the next two weeks until they can monitor the numbers and make sure that they are going down. they're enjoying the opportunity to be outside and perhaps taken a meal at an outdoor restaurant. we spoke to folks and here's what they had to say. >> how does it feel to be outside ordering from a menu? >> funny. i said doesn't this feel good? we ordered some hamburgers and

cold drinks. it felt normal. it's something we haven't done in six weeks. >> now that being said, i should also add that couple lives within walking distance of this establishment. they said they felt safe because it is an outdoor restaurant. they know the owners. they know they would be separated. those folks are still taking precautions. appreciative of the fact that virginia in some parts at least is open today. katy? >> katie, the weather looks so nice and that shot so bright it looks like you're in front of a green screen right now. katie beck is down there. thank you very much. chuck, over to you. look, we should note, virginia had a surprisingly low per capita testing rate for a state that has had as many cases as virginia resident as we have here. that is something that is not been fully explained by the governor going forward. why virginia has lacked when you look at what d.c. and maryland

have done. something to keep an eye on there. >> makes you question how they can reopen if they don't have enough tests. . >> that's been a question i've had. but it's also understandable why they basically reopened nonnorthern virginia in that sense. let's go across country, katy. we're going to go to arizona where stay at home orders are expiring. restaurants, gyms, water parks are allowed to open for business today. this has 27 new deaths in nearly 500 new cases reported in the state today. our own vaughn hilliard joins me from mesa, arizona. part of our county to county project. maricopa is the swingiest and probably the biggest swing county in the country. so how happy are people? >> well, the water park is open today. how about that? we just saw several dozen young critters walking by. this is big. essentially arizona's open. outside of movie theaters and

bars. you have gyms, retail, restaurants, and here a water park that just this hour, chuck, the water park here in mesa, arizona, opened. you had at least a good 100 folks that have come in here so far. the water slides are open. the wave pool is open. the lazy river is not. but here you're dealing with the situation that is tough. at the same time that republican governor doug doosy is trying to open up this state, you're dealing with the reality that just over the last two days there have now been 57 new deaths reported as well as 993 new cases here in a state of arizona. these numbers are not drastically going down by any stretch. these continue to be consistently high numbers out of the state. while, yes, there is an increase in testing, the percentage is only incrementally going down, chuck. the city of phoenix, meanwhile, said they're going to continue to close its 29 pools. but the folks here that operate the water park here in mesa, they say they're doing everything they can, all the employees are wearing masks.

they have blue tape behind each line separating folks six feet apart from each other. they're saying that they're doing what their part in order to try to be successful as a summer operation here. and also keeping their customers safe at the same time. i asked one father walking by with two kids, i said you feel safe being here? what leads you here today? he said, "we had to be here." over the last few months, him and his kids have been, you could say, cooped up at home and looking at this as their opportunity to get out and get out hopefully safely. chuck? >> i get it. i'm curious, is it crowded? >> just this hour it opened up. there is a crowd of lines. you have a couple folks here that have been coming along. i would say it's a good 100 folks. i think we'll head over to the wave pool. i'm guessing that's where folks are going first. but the slides, i think that they'll need you, chuck, out here later on at some point to fill it up.

>> interesting. >> but for now, there are a few people coming. >> i'm going to be curious to see how many people actually keep going. thank you for that report. katy, i know there is a lot of chlorine in there. that's a tall -- that's a lot to ask some people to go jump in a pool with a bunch of people you don't know yet. >> i was just taken by short panted vaughn hilliard. that's what got my attention. >> it's arizona. it's hot. >> i know. >> literally, the shoes melt on the sidewalk. your shoes melt on the sidewalk if you're using the wrong shoes. >> i'm not passing judgement. i know that every reporter standing outside in the heat that you just see from the waist up, all of them are wearing shorts. they may be in suit coats and ties and button down shirts but they're wearing shorts. >> hey, i promise you, katy, i'm wearing pants. you're not getting -- you're not accusing me of that. i'm wearing pants. >> okay.

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the white house rejected morrow bu more robust guidance. they leased six one page documents and the president praised the new guidance this afternoon at the white house. >> what do you say to the business owners and other people who are really questioning the guidance that the cdc put out last night? there was a concern it would be overly prescriptive. now there's a concern it's not prescriptive enough. what are business owners to do? >> i think the guidance is really good. i heard good reviews. the media will never be satisfied. if we gave you more description, that would be no good. if we gave you less that, would be no good. i thought it was very good. i heard a lot of good things. >> and it appears that some businesses are taking it upon themselves to put more stringent plans in place. en that that includes cleaning every 30 minutes and no self

service soda. so mcdonald's has more stringent guidelines, chuck, than the cdc. this follows reporting from "the washington post" about how different states have different temperatures that they say you should be concerned about. 99.5, 100.5. amazon has a different temperature threshold for their workers. and they say walmart does. there is not a unifying set of guidelines for the entire country. this is going to try to do that. but again, they're much vaguer than what you're seeing private companies take up. so it's going to lead to a lot of confusion again. >> it is. and, look, there is pressure on private companies in the beginning of the mcdonald's guidelines they have this sentence, we only get one chance to do this the right way. and the fact of matter is, like no major brand name wants to be linked with being a virus spreader. or being unclean. and if, like, you get that rep, that is a hard rep to get rid

of. so in some ways there is more pressure on businesses. but that's where you come up with the federal government. you're like, they should be more acknowledging that, yes, all these businesses are in trouble. mcdonald's, look, if they blow this, wendy's can surpass them. they have a competitive need to make sure they get it right. and this is where you wonder if the government -- you know, they need to be almost more understanding of the business communities needs for clear and concise information and instead it's vague. this is where now we get into the whole liability thing. now that's why we're -- we are where we are. let's move on to another topic here. as the pandemic continues, so does the rise of conspiracy theories. you probably heard a few of them. the belief that 5-g towers caused this. that this is all manipulation by the so-called deep state. or this virus was create the as a weapon inside of chinese lab. the conspiracy theorists are

winning right now. he writes, nonsense is nonsense except when it kills. and conspiracy thinking when advanced by the president of the united states is a threat. joining us now, jeffrey goldberg, editor of chief at "the laatlantic." we had this conversation about the president and his relationship with the truth and journalism and this what is happening and i believe we even had the conversation, well, at some point we're going to reach a point where this impacts people's lives the way it is right now. and here we are. >> here we are. i remember specific conversation we had had about this president's crisis being largely self inflicted. right? this administration -- when the administration first three years ran into trouble, it was often because something that he had done or said.

and then we talked about what that would mean when there is an external crisis, a foreign crisis or even as the case of virus that doesn't care about anybody's opinion about anything. and so here we are. and, you know, the point of this article, the point of this whole project we're doing is called "shadow land," appropriately, i think, is to make the case that these beliefs while fantastical and nonsensical, you have to take them seriously when other people take them seriously. throughout most of american history, we have had -- people have been subject or prey to conspiracy thinking but we never before had had a situation in which the leader of the united states, the president of the united states is conspiracy minded. and actually advances conspiracy theories from the podium of the white house. it's the job traditionally speaking of the president of the united states to tamp down false

information and try to advance correct information to help the public understand whatever crisis it is. so we're in a genuine -- we use this term all the time. unprecedented. but we're in an unprecedented situation when it comes to that subject. >> jeffrey, i saw so much of this in 2016 covering the trump campaign. and then i saw even more of it after the president became the president and the information exploded at rallies. i was at a protest which looked like a trump rally the other day in new jersey where people were spouting conspiracy theories about bill gates and about dr. fauci and pointing me to some doctor in riverside, california, who was saying that this was all a big joke. how do you combat against this when you have basically open source information for anybody to see anywhere and people are directed towards what they want

to believe. they're given aggregate information based on their preferences and they can live in a sil yworld where the beliefs conspiracies are reinforced. what do we do? >> so everything is organized against the side that wants to put out empirical information, observable truth, right? in other words, social media is not organized to rank things that are true. they're ranking things that are popular, right? when you have, as i said, when you have a national leader who advances the theories, you're on your back foot anyway. i think in our profession over the last three years or four years, considering, you know, what happened during the cam pa campaigne you covered, we've been asking this quechlt it doesn't seem like it's enough to just put out what we think to be correct information. how do we breakthrough the cognitive bubble that some people are in? you say it's not true. bill gates is not trying to

commit genocide. and he's not developing secret vaccines. they say it is true. and you say, can you prove this? how do you prove it? there is no need for proof. the problem is, i hate to keep going back to this, the problem is that the president himself is setting a proofless standard. that's what obama gate is. literally no there there. right? but we try to hold him accountable. what is your proof? what is your proof? he's impervious to that question. unfortunately, a large number of people that are sympathetic to the world view are impervious to that question. the hardest challenge we have in our business is to breakthrough and say, look, we are trying to gather information. sometimes we're right, sometimes we're wrong but we're trying in good faith to gather this information. there is simply no proof for the following suppositions that you're putting out there. but again -- >> jeffrey, isn't our biggest

problem here, jeffrey, the fact that we can't keep up -- i mean look at this plandemic. it is going to be a number one best seller. it is the technological companies have no -- have not figured out how to stop this. >> i don't think they care very much. i mean they would say they do. but if you just go into the amazon website and search this, you'll find books and shirts and hats. what are we doing? what are they doing? at what point does some kind of responsibility of the truth matter? >> right. well, jeffrey goldberg, i can tell you this your new shadow land, talk about rabbit hole reading, you can get lost in there for hours which i'm sure is not a bad outcome as far as you're concerned as an editor these days. anyway, it is definitely worth digging into, jeffrey goldberg

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oxford university published new data that is showing some promising results. joining us now from london is nbc news senior international correspondent. what do you have? >> thank you, katy. we need this. we need all the good news we can get especially when you hear from a senior executive of the world health organization just this week saying this virus will likely be around maybe forever. this latest development in this particular vaccine research from here in the uk is a small step, katy. but still because of that context, it makes it a big deal. >> reporter: fresh hope for a vaccine breakthrough. a single dose given to six monkeys which share a majority of their genes with humans was found to produce antibodies as early as 14 days after vaccination. the rocky mountains lab that carried out the trial releasing

this new report. saying, after the tests, the vaccine appeared to have prevented pneumonia and other lung problems associated with coronavirus. and the report says no sign of dangerous side effects, no evidence of immune enhanced disease. now scientists from the uk's oxford university say the early indications from human trials could come in june. hundreds of people have already been injected with the possible vaccine. >> i'm doing like the tiniest little bit that i can. >> reporter: the scientists telling us they're able to move fast because their vaccine has been in development for decades. the vaccine updated for today's coronavirus. >> we're using a vaccine type that has been in thousands of people before. >> reporter: there is no guarantee it will ultimately prove to be successful. over 100 vaccines are in development around the world and already attention is turning to how to produce enough. how many doses of vaccine do you think you can make? >> we're aiming to make not

millions, probably not tens of millions but hundreds of millions of doses. >> reporter: president trump said he thinks we'll have a vaccine by the end of the year despite reservations from some scientists on his coronavirus team. on thursday, he went a step further talking time line and distribution. >> and i think we're going to have a vaccine by the end of the year. i think distribution will take place almost simultaneously because we've geared up the military. >> not a hurdle though and this is fascinating is because of the lockdown in places like the uk, there is less coronavirus which means these people undergoing this trial getting the vaccine, it's less -- it may take longer for them to come in contact with coronavirus and, of course, you can't force that to happen. you just have to wait for that to happen. so that may slow things down, katy. on a lighter note, katy, since you can only see this much of me, i can confirm like chuck that i am wearing pants.

which anyone who speaks british, english and not american english would have fallen off their chair to hear me have to reassure you of that. >> pants means something else over there as i learned when i lived there for my brief amount of time. keir, pics or i don't believe you. thank you very much. chuck, over to you. >> the friday follies, clearly a little punchy. president trump discussed working with other countries towards finding a vaccine this afternoon at the white house. >> now we're working, as i said, with other people outside. and that's fine, too. we want to get to the solution. we know exactly where the other countries are. and we'll be very happy if they're able to do it. we'll help them with delivery. we'll help them in every way we can. we have no ego when it comes to this. no ego whatsoever. >> group of world leaders is arguing that now is not the time

for monopolies on or competition for vaccines. those leaders signed an open letter coordinated by u.n. aides and calls for a global manufacturing and distribution plan and guarantee that future vaccines, oxfam. joining us from geneva, is the director of u.n. aid. so, i got to think you had to be at least heartened to hear president trump say, not the time for profiteering, what more do you want to hear from the united states and china when it comes to vaccines? >> thank you. we want a global agreement agreed well before any vaccine hits the market. right now, there are more than a hundred candidates vaccines moving at unprecedented speed and we could have a breakthrough and that's great. but before that happens, we

would like to see all countries, governments lining up behind an agreement that when it does it's produced rapidly at scale, made available for all people in all countries, free of charge. this is possible, it would be a great achievement for the world and it's absolutely possible. we've known -- we've learned from the coronavirus that my health depends on yours. and your health depends on my health, there's no room for looking inward for nationalism or for monopolies. >> let me ask, though, the low jestics challenge to this, i think -- i think there's probably a large agreement that this needs to happen, but how do you make it happen? i mean, the logistics of this, we're struggling to figure out

how they're going to do it in this country alone? >> well, we're calling for a global agreement on covid-19 vaccines, tests and treatments implemented under the leadership of the united nations, the world health organization. and that would be an understand ing governments, ministers of health are meeting here tomorrow, or monday, it would mean they would agree that a pool is created and rules are established and those patients are shared across regions so that manufacturing can happen speedily in every region so that drugs can reach all at the same time. and we don't have what happened years ago when an aides

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good day. brian williams here with you on a friday. 3:00 p.m. in the east. 12:00 noon out west. first, the headlines and facts as we know them at this hour. over 87,000 americans have now died from this coronavirus, that's roughly 1500 more than when we came on the air at this hour yesterday. president trump has put a former pharmaceutical company executive and a four-star general in charge of the effort of developing a vaccine by the end of the year, but experts say it will take 12 months to 18 months

to develop test and produce a vaccine and that anything less would be a medical miracle, other experts go as far to predict years before the safety of any vaccine could be assured, however that didn't stop the president from saying this earlier today. >> i just want to make something clear -- it's very important -- vaccine or no vaccine, we're back. >> on the other end of pennsylvania avenue the house is expected to approve $3 trillion package of legislation later today that includes more direct payments to americans, money for state and local governments, other measures to deal with the economic fallout from this pandemic. some moderate democrats oppose it. senate republicans say more than that, it's dead on arrival. at this point on this friday afternoon, we're so happy to bring in my friend and colleague nicolle wallace, the host of "deadline: white house."

nicolle, about the president's comments, about the rose garden event today. people are going to have to start -- well, continue doing what they're doing, processing this through their own filter, making their own decisions as this illness continues to grind its way across the country. >> what's heartening the poll numbers of people who don't want to send their kids to school, who don't want to eat in restaurants, they represent a whole lot americans than just people who disapprove of donald trump, people who self-identity as democrats. there are large swath of people in country who are listening to the scientists. i'm thank yful for this on frid. the science is fighting back. lanceet published editorial blasting the president's efforts of undermining the cdc. they write this, quote the administration is obsessed with magic bullets.

vaccines, new sed ins or the hope that the virus will simply disappear. this requires an effectsive national public health agency. while it's note uncommon for a medical journal to take a political stand it's very unusual to do what they did next. the editorial ended with this statement -- quote, americans must put a president in the white house come january 2021 who understand that public health should not be guided by partisan politics and with all that as the backdrop here some more what the president said at the white house hours ago. >> and in many cases they don't have vaccines and a virus or a flu comes and you fight through it, we haven't seen anything like this in a hundred some odd years. 1917. but you fight through it. and people sometimes, i guess,

we don't know exactly yet, it looks like they become immune at least for a short while, maybe for life, but you fight through it. but what we'd like to do is if we can is the vaccine. >> joining our conversation former republican strategist steve schmidt and washington post columnist you jean robinson. eugene, you wrote a column that took my breath away. take us through it. >> i said the united states right now is a nation to be pitied and i think it is. i don't see how what other attitude could you have if you're in say south korea for example, a nation that the united states helped rise from the rubble of war, a nation that has -- a developed nation that has per capita of gdp still

about half of that the united states. has always looked up to the united states of a model of democracy, or science and technology. the virus came to both countries. south korea and the united states on the very same day, january 20th. same virus, same day. the united states has now had more than 87,000 and in south korea they've had 260 -- 2-6-on. how could you look at your sort of your big brother, the united states, with anything other than pity at the erratic, insane frankly, leadership we have now. and the way we're not showing the kind of social cohesion, fortunately as you said, most americans are, you know, looking at this more sensibly, but, you know, the president is trying to lessen our social cohesion rather than enhance it and he

shows no compassion, no competence, it's a disaster for the united states to be in this position. where there are few nations handled this crisis worst than that, not many, a handful zblshgs steve schmidt, i'm thinking of the country that on our old bosses and they are plenty polarizing particularly viewers of this network, george w. bush, people were enraged by the post9/11 policies, but pity is not something you heard about this country after unthinkable losses in world war ii, after the attacks -- pity is not something that the world has ever felt for this country, do you agree with eugene's assessment and what happens next? >> i do agree with gene's assessment. we are in a state of

accelerating degenerousty in this country. we've never been a country so weak as we are now, so pitied by our friends around the world. so cheered on by our edadversais as we decline. there's no other way to put it. the response has been insane. during the second world war, general marshall had a kwet, by the time the war is over, our flag will be known around the world on the one hand as a force for overwhelming strength and on the other hand a force for freedom. you know, donald trump has stepped back from the americans values, the defense of democracy for years. now when we look at this virus, we see every day just plan, old-fashioned imbecilitimbecili coming from the podium em

blazoned with the seal of the president of the united states. and this covid-19 virus, this is the epicenter of it -- the united states of america. there are more deaths, it's the country where you have the greatest likelihood of dying from it in the future. our response as a country has been embarrassment in this moment of american weakness will take a long time if we're able to recover from this. that's what this election in november is fundamentally about, a decision whether we put the throttle down in our national decline and steepen the dive and go faster or we try to come back from it. but certainly, donald trump has demonstrated over these months an incapacity at every conceivable level for leadership of a nation as great as ours. >> you jean, dr. kaplan has written a column warning people

that this could take years along the lines of vaccine development. he appeared on cnn after the rose garden event and said that what we heard he fears is fantasy and further that this was he speculated about the re-election, rational people are tempted to use words like actionable if that's true, but the question occurs who do we see if that's true if. >> we see each other on november 3rd. that's what we do. what happened today was not enough, it was branding exercise. that's really what it was, this is not how vaccines work, you don't just snap your fingers and will them into existence and i think it's great if we're going to apply all of our science and technology in a coordinated way

to try and come up with a vaccine as quickly as possible. that's a great thing. let the scientists go off and do that and let's hope they can succeed. but, there are -- there are viruses for which we have been looking for vaccines for many years -- like hiv for example and we haven't found one. coronavirus is apparently different. we're optimistic about it. optimistic means 12 months to 18 months, which would be light speed for the development of a vaccine the fastest we've ever done knit the past has done with the mumps vaccine that took four years from the start of wash until it was actually deployed. it's magical thinking and it's branding exercise for the president's re-election. >> steve schmidt -- i'm sorry. >> steve schmidt i was going to ask steve about this branding exercise that the president

seems intent on trying to brand science as political. i don't think anyone who goes to the doctor's, ends up in the e.r. gives a hoot what a doctor's political affiliation is, do you think he's having some of these problems because these aren't inherently political units. >> absolutely. the anti-science attitude out of this administration, out of republicans in congress, i think the reality is it's been there for some time. now we're seeing the deadly consequences of it. part of the united states was the most powerful nation in the world we were the number one nation in the world for research universities, for science, for mathematics, we're the country that sent men to the moon, that flew the first airplanes, that made the first assembly lines, invented the intempbrnet, we'ved

the way. but we have republicans who reject science. when you have the president of the united states people should protect them by contemplating the injection of household products, look it, at the end of the day, none of this stuff is reality. donald trump's seeing his poll numbers collapse. he's seeing deterioration of his vote chair with senior citizens. there's no argument that can conceivably be made that he's done an exceptional job, performed with level of competence. people are watching it. they see he's unfit. people trust scientists, they trust the doctors, they know the doctors are in it to try to make them better not to score political points. we're at this hour where we see the politicalization of

everything in this country, but when it comes to a global pandemic like this, where we look at the chaos of the response there's political consequence to it because the politics in this country have failed. the president has failed. and what he's brought to the country through that failure is unimaginable levels of death and suffering and economic collapse that did not have to be. that didn't have to be and it's not the case that other countries in the world are dealing with the problems like we're dealing with in the united states, the reason they're not is because they had competent political leadership which we do not. >> steve, a final question from me at a very human level, what do you tell a scared senior perhaps living alone who has just become symptomatic and how do you tell a family who has suffered a loss part of the

87,000-plus losses that the president says we're back. >> it's extraordinary in that, he's a man who lacks any capacity for empathy. he doesn't seem to be able to grasp what it means when the number one cause of death in america is now coronavirus. when an american dies every 44 seconds, he has the -- to stand up on the stage and say we're back, it's profoundly selfish statement. it's a wish, it's a fantasy. it's a man looking at re-election and staring back at him is a failure that's unparalleled in american history. and he's saying these things because he wishes this would go all go away. this isn't going to go away.

everything that comes out of his mouth is about his political self-interest in november. so he gets up every day, he misinforms, he lies, he fantasizes, he finger points, he blames, engages in conspiracies, but the american people see through it and the evidence suggests through the polling that what they're seeing is a president being stripped bare, being unmasked. we're seeing our president is a naked emperor indeed. they see him standing there in the full glory and they're not liking it very much. >> gentlemen, thank you both for your words and stay home and stay safe. steve schmidt, you jean robinson. break for us. when we come back -- the coronavirus syndrome that's attacking children in over a dozen states now. cdc telling doctors what to look out for, what to keep our

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and invite everyone to join me. what's your mission? use godaddy to help make it happen. make the world you want. we mentioned this before the break, if you have little kids you have no doubt been following this story already. the cdc has issued a health alert to medical providers around our country on this new, rare mystery illness linked to

covid-19 that has been infecting children in over a dozen states. the cdc health alert provides doctors a checklist of signs and symptoms to help them diagnose patients with they call multisystem inflammatory syndrome, including fever and inflammation within the body. last week "the new york times" reported three children in new york have died as a result of this. the illness has been reported in at least 19 states at this time. new york alone has seen over a hundred cases thus far. >> joining our conversation who brought me much calm on this story earlier this week is dr. mike anderson. dr. anderson, i need you to talk me off the ledge again. this sounds like something that kids be stoic, they don't always act as sick as they are, rashes as you know is something that

kids have all the time, especially as the weather warms up, what's the -- what are we looking for and how worried should we be as parents? >> yeah, it's great to be back with you. i think first and foremost, i think parents have to realize this is rare, this is a rare complication of covid and while the numbers are disconcerting i think it's actually up to five deaths in new york now the total numbers of kids we have seen with this it's not ast row nom call. the second calming thing i think families need to realize this is not just a whole of pediatrics or a whole of government, this is whole of society coming together to help figure this out. i've been on the phone all day with colleagues from detroit, colleagues from the cdc, colleagues from nih, bringing the best and brightest minds together to try and figure this out. the third calming thing is that

so far most kids are responding to therapy, a similar disease called kawasaki, we have steroids, so far, the great majority of kids are responding. but to your question, i think parents need to be cognizant of fever, of rash, or inflammation of the eyes, in pediatrics, we're not on too worried about those kids. as we spoke about earlier in the week this is really an important time to continue to establish that relationship with your pediatrician. because pediatricians are really paying attention to nih that brian spoke to and we're on the look out for this because it's concerning. >> what role do you think our emerging understand of a new syndrome tied to covid will have in the debate -- what role should it have in any debate about going back to school in the fall?

>> it's going to play a role, i think the decision to open schools as we sort of hinted at in my previous interview is going to be multifactorial. as a father and grandfather i know on the other side of that coin, kids not socializing with other kids, not having those developmental opportunities there's was an interesting op-ed recently "the new york times" about teenagers and the stresses they're facing not being in school. i think this illness, the fact that kids do apparently have some reaction to covid in rare circumstances is going to play a role, but it's this fine balance of how do we get kids back to some sense of normalcy which i think they're so longing for, i know parents are longing for >> it yes. >> i have a dual question, number one, does this lend itself -- i don't want to use

the word better, more application to tele-medicine in that it sometimes present visually and number two, where the rubber meets the road, the horrendous decision so many families make is whether or not to go the e.r. because the e.r. opens up the potential of exposure to other cases, so if you can take those on. >> brian, just great questions. first, we at the children's hospital have seen an increase in the use of tele-medicine and there's no silver lining to this pandemic but i do think it's a terrific use of technology to bring care to kids. so, yeah, i think that tele-medicine is great way to see pediatrician, here's my baby's rash, here's what her eyes look like, it doesn't replace a vaccine and being in an office i do think it's really important. your point about the e.r. is so important, brian, that we have

seen across this country, both in adults and kids, just aban n abandoning emergency departments, i think if you don't have contact with a primary care doc, if you got a child with a fever, who's got a rash, who's not acting right, i know people are worried about going to the e.r. but this is a time to realize hospitals are doing everything that we can to make that e.r. safe, we're screening all of the employees, we're cleaning everything. if you're worried about your child, the last thing you want to see are kids who have come to the e.r. too late or waited too long. >> well, our kids are 29 and 31, but parents are parents forever and it seems like yesterday we were in pediatrician game, thank you for your knowledge and expertise and frankly during these times your bedside manner. another break for us. when we come back -- we're heading into a weekend where for the first time in months, there

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welcome back and as you know adding to the strangeness of this season there's been no sports. one however is coming back -- nascar's going restart its season this weekend and hold its first race in two months. it will happen at the historic darlington raceway in south

carolina. it will be the largest sporting event since the pandemic started. the obvious advantage here is -- drivers work alone. but pit crews and race teams work together and it will still bring together a lot of people. fans will be watching from home. other sports will be watching as well. our report from nbc's sam brock. >> reporter: nascar returns full throttled in just over 48 hours, after hitting the brakes for more than two months during the pandemic. >> our first priority is to make sure that we put on the safest event. >> reporter: but the roaring engines will fill an empty stadium with no fans allowed at the raceway. sunday also marks the first time ryan newman will be back behind the wheel since this horrific crash at the daytona 500. we spoke about his interview in an interview set to air saturday. you survived a