beautifully. but you have to apply yourself, you know. >> amen. >> like i was born it live in the midst of this covid, in the midst of this pneumonia, in the midst of this kidney failure, i still want to live. >> yes, sir. let me say this, brad, because we -- i'm at the end of my hour. i want to have you back on the show. i want you to recover. i want to see you in person. you come back. yes, sir? >> you got my number. you call me any time. you hear? >> you got it. honored to meet you. thanks to john for riding with us. brad "scarface" jordan, wish you a speedy recovery. that does it for us. keep it right here on msnbc. ght. good evening. i'm joy reid. donald trump's incoherent response to the coronavirus pandemic is a reaction from the

rest of the world that most americans run familiar with. unfamiliar with being the recipient of, and that would be pity. i mean, of course, we have drawn the empathy of the world. we faced past tragedies like 9/11, hurricane katrina, but pity? the sense that we are, in fact, pitiable, that is something new for americans. an unprecedented rebuke of a sitting american president, the british scientific journal "the lancet" offered this blunt advice today. americans must put a president in the white house who will understand that public health should not be guided by partisan politics. it comes as the guardian reports that in countries known for chronic problems of governance, there's been a sense of wonder that the u.s. appears to have joined their ranks. eugene robinson echoed those themes in the washington post arguing the pandemic is acting as a stress test for societies around the world, and ours is in

danger of failing. the phrase american exceptionalism has always meant different things to different people. not until now in my lifetime, has it suggested that the united states should be pitied. look at donald trump's rose garden event today, meant to sent a message that his administration is rushing a coronavirus vaccine to the american public. as trump promised a vaccine within the year, even at the same time he dismissed the very need for one. >> there's never been a vaccine project anywhere in history like this, and i just want to make something clear. it's very important. vaccine or no vaccine, we're back. we think we're going to have a vaccine in the pretty near future, and if we do, we're going to really be a big step ahead. and if we don't, we're going to be like so many other cases where you had a problem come in,

it will go away. at some point it will go away. it's not solely vaccine based. other things have never had a vaccine and they go away. so, i don't want people to think this is all dependent on vaccine. >> it illustrates the dangerous disconnect between trump's political agenda and the science that should be making his decisions. it comes after he bragged yesterday that the united states has the best testing in the world, before adding the testing is overrated. >> so we have the best testing in the world. it could be the testings, frank ly, overrated. maybe it is overrated. we have more cases than anybody in the world, but why? because we do more testing. when you test, you have a case. when you test, you find something is wrong with people. if we didn't do any testing, we would have very few cases. >> likewise, donald trump has repeatedly questioned the

expertise of public health officials like dr. anthony fa i fauci, the very people he needs to make decisions in the public's interest. i'm joined by steve schmidt, political strategist and former republican. steve, you tweeted a piece that was done by the atlantic. it was a video montage that contrasted donald trump and leaders of other countries in the world. i just want to play a piece that have. >> basing our decisions on evidence, facts, best science available is going to be extremely important for keeping canadians safe. >> the vast majority of americans, the risk is very, very low. [ speaking foreign language ] >> why do you keep using this? >> because it comes from china. >> it sounds racist. >> it's not racist at all, no. it comes from china. >> translator: i want to ask everyone not to see others as

potential enemies and not to point the finger of blame. >> what do you say to americans who are watching who are scared? >> i say you're a terrible reporter. >> you know, steve, when you tweeted that out, it kind of wrecked my day. it had me thinking, you know, people in those other countries must look at us and think, my god, what happened to the country that, you know, liberated the world and led the world out of world war ii and set a standard, you know? at least we always claim, for democracy. i'm thinking of all these pieces i've written about all these other countries feeling sorry for us, pitying us. i really want to talk about that. glad you're hear. your thoughts? >> joy, good evening. i think what makes the country exceptional is that we're made up of all the peoples of the world. we're the only country in the history of the world that's founded on the power of an idea, and that idea, though it was wrapped in injustice and

hypocrisy, is that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator. that came to include african-americans, his p hispanic-americans, women, gay men and women. and we still have work to do. but that collection of people, americans, we have fed more people, clothed more people, liberated more people, cured more people and done more general good in the world than all the other countries of the world put together since the beginning of time. and for the last 75 years, since the end of world war ii, we've lived in an american era. it was a liberal u.s.-led liberal global order that was architected in the mind of the greatest president fdr, built by harry truman, presidents between eisenhower and obama of both parties and it's ended.

donald trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. i don't say that hyperbolically. he is. he is a consequential president. and he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where barack obama left office and there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply conceskeptical and very worried about what a trump presidency would be. but this is a moment of unparallel national humiliation, of weakness. when you listen to the president, these are the musings of an imbocile, an idiot. i don't use those words to name call. i use them because they're the precise words in the english language to describe his behavior, his comportment. his actions. we've never seen a level of

incompeten incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country who has ever been charged with substantial responsibilities. it's just astonishing that this man is the president of the united states, the con man from new york city. many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show that branded him as something that he never was, a successful businessman. well, he is the president of the united states now, and the man who said that he would make the country great again. he has brought death, suffering and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. and, let's be clear, this isn't happening in every country around the world. this place, our place, our home, our country, the united states, we are the epicenter. we are the place where you're most likely to die of this disease. we're the ones with the most

shattered economy and we are because of the fool that sits in the oval office behind the resolute desk. >> i am almost waiting for a bob geldof figure to say we need a telethon for america. it is embarrassing in fundamental ways to watch him and contrast him with the way the rest of the world is being led. please stand by. history holds a lot of different lessons for us about politicians rushing to science when it comes to vaccines. early 1976 a strain of swine flu was discovered in the united states which sparked fears of a wider outbreak. in an attempt to avert a full-blown pandemic during an election year, no less, president gerald ford announced his intent to vaccinate the entire yunited states populatio. >> schools, hospitals, physician's offices and public health facilities. the reaction to the shot, i am

told, may mean a few sore arms for a day or two, a very small price to pay for this vital protection. >> that vaccine was, indeed, produced at warp speed and was delivered to the public in less than six months. in fact, a widely publicized event that october, president ford himself received the vaccine before the tv cameras, all part of a pr campaign to encourage mass inoculation. the ambitious program was suspended when it was linked to a rare neurological disorder in some patients and thankfully that epidemic never materialized but it is a reminder political speedien en expedienry should never drive science. >> my administration cut through every piece of red tape to achieve the fastest by ever so

far launch of a vaccine trial for this new virus. it's called operation warp speed. that means big and it means fast. moving on at record, record, record speed. better come up with a good vaccine, because we're ready to deliver it. >> i want to bring in dr. patrice harris, member of the medical association, as well as chief medical correspondent for "the new york times," steve baker. dr. baker -- i'm sorry, dr. harris, let me start with you first. this was the testimony yesterday about the timeframe for bringing a vaccine to market, for it to be useable for people from dr. bright, who was dismissed from the administration, who was the head of trying to create such a vaccine. take a listen. >> a lot of optimism is swirling around a 12 to 18-month timeframe if everything goes perfectly. we've never seen everything go perfectly. my concern is if we rush too

quickly and consider cutting out critical steps, we may not have a full assessment of the safety of that vaccine. >> you know, dr. harris, nbc news did a fact check on this. coronavirus vaccine, trump says, could come out this year. this sort of happy talk he's doing about a vaccine. experts say he would need a miracle to be right. it would take over a year. it's going to take quite a long time. i was talking earlier with steve about this idea, this humiliating impact of watching this president operate around the world. we're not even in the global -- we're not even working together with the rest of the world to create a vaccine. is it possible, at this stage, do you think it's realistic that this country, such as it is, as we are being led, is going to create a vaccine by the end of the year? >> joy, it's good to be with you. and certainly early on, we heard dr. fauci say that 12 to 18 months would be ambitious. and so as you so note, we have come a long way since 1976, but

politics absolutely cannot drive the timeline for the development of a vaccine. we have to let the research dictate the efficacy and the safety. and we cannot sacrifice safety for speed. >> and, you know, peter, does the white house understand that in your reporting, that donald trump does this happy talk, this power of positive thinking, which he is very influenced by in his father. happy talk won't make a vaccine happen. saying a vaccine will happen raises expectations because he hopes he will go out and shop. but when there is no vaccine do they have a plan for what happens when there is no vaccine by fall? >> that's a great question. remember, this is a president who told us back at the beginning of this that a vaccine would be available soon. he had to be corrected by dr. fauci and said no, it's not going to be soon. don't get your hopes too far up. this president want this is to go away. he's frustrated by thisvy russ,

frustrated by the economic shutdown and frustrated, obviously, on the impact to the country and his re-election chances. he's looking for something to make this go away. he keeps telling us that nature will make this go away at some point. the doctor will tell you about that but this vaccine is not in the immediate future tochlt tell the country that it is risks raising expectations beyond where the science seems to be at the moment. >> dr. harris, isn't testing and contact tracing what would make it go away? there's an answer he could reach for. lots and lots of testing and contact tracing. isn't that the thing that most countries are doing? >> testing is critical and, of course, a part of testing is a capacity, but also a strategy. and we've been lacking in both capacity and strategy. and certainly, joy, it's important, though, that the tests are reliable and accurate. and we've seen the fda raise

concerns yesterday regarding the rapid test and the ama put forth guidance yesterday regarding the antibody test. and we are really urging caution on widespread use of the antibody test because of the error rate. and so, yes, testing is critical. it's also, though, critical to continue with our wearing face coverings in public and physical distancing and really being careful with gathering in large crowds. so it's about layers. the more that we do. but we have to make sure that our tests are reliable. but in the meantime -- in the meantime, before we develop a vaccine which, of course, will take time, we need to continue the basic approximate public health strategies that we know work to reduce the spread and ultimately save lives. >> you know, steve, here is donald trump, you know, retweeting somebody out at a

bar, right? he thinks that the thing to do is do happy talk, saying everything is great. go to a bar which is a place, of course, where people would get sick. we're on the opposite side of the world of politics with george w. bush. and this was a president who, in a lot of our minds, made a huge and tragic error in invading iraq, but you could see that at a certain point he realized he need to fix, and he needed to right things, that he needed to bring in people like peter baker. he needed to bring in people who were experts, people who could turn things around. you could see at least that he understood that he was on a wrong track. this president doesn't seem to understand or accept that. he just seems to decide he is on the right track and that somehow it will work out. i've never seen anything like this, steve. have you? i mean, even just looking at history. is there another instance of a president like this? >> there is no instance of leadership in american history where you've seen somebody so lacking in the intellect, the mental skills, the moral -- he

is deficient at an intellectual, moral and a mental level for leadership, profoundly so. and as peter analyzed the things that are upsetting the president, what i would say is he cares about one thing, and he has shown this to us for three years. he cares about donald trump. what he cares mostly about is being re-elected so he doesn't go down in history as a loser. that's what he cares about. he stands up on a stage behind the presidential podium, talking about his television ratings. in the next breath, he's talking to the american people about injecting household disinfectant. the level of just abject stupidity that flows from his mouth on a daily basis is hard to articulate. but when he stands up there and he says the economy is going to be fine and we're going to have

a good fourth quarter, and we'll start to turn around in the third, none of this is true. this isn't magic. it's not happy talk. it's stupid talk. he has been fundamentally dishonest with the american people almost 20,000 times, how many times he has lied. he has misinformed the american people. he has communicated erratically. it is an awful exposition of leadership. >> yeah. >> as a result, the united states is in the worst position of any country in the world when it comes to covid-19. this is so much worse than it otherwise would have been. and what he's betting on is that the american people are going to be hoodwinked into accepting the happy talk. but here is the thing. we're closing in on 90,000 deaths and soon we'll be at 100, then we'll be at 200,000 dead

americans, which will be half the tally of the casualties of the second world war. we will all know somebody who has perished from this by the time we get to the end, by the time we get to the vaccine. but i would bet my left arm that donald trump can't spell vaccine, let alone be able to make a prediction when we're likely to see one. >> it is both humiliating and also incredibly tragic. steve schmidt, thank you very much, dr. harris, peter baker. coming up, a chaotic path to reopening. a new poll that shows many americans are worried it is all happening too soon. happening too soon you're in this alone. we're automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. we're also offering flexible payment options for those who've been financially affected by the crisis. we look forward to returning to something that feels a little closer to life as we knew it,

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welcome back. wisconsin state supreme court struck down democratic governor's stay-at-home order this week. it's led to a disjointed

response where some counties are keeping the order in place and others have allowed the reopening of bars and restaurants and other businesses. in some case, guidance is being ignored about wearing masks and social distancing. on the front page of the milwaukee journal sentinel today, the editorial board blasted justices on the court as well as state lawmakers on both sides of the aisle for failing the public. quote, we can't count on our elected representatives to work together for the public good in wisconsin. they've proved themselves utterly incapable of compromising, even in an emergency, to come up with a sensible plan to protect the health of our most vulnerable friends, neighbors and family members. i'm joined by lieutenant governor barnes. thank you so much for being here. the -- the -- the editorial board was very clear that the supreme court, for very partisan reasons, decided to overturn the governor's order. however, what do they mean when they're saying that neither side

is working in tandem to come up with rules? are there rules that republicans have put forward that you think are reasonable, that democrats are saying no to? >> so, i would like to -- first, thank you for having me. i'm happy that they mentioned the fact that there's dysfunction when it comes to an issue that should be hyper nonpartisan. but the fact is, the pointing fingers, i would respect it more if they pointed fingers in the right direction. governor evers came up with a plan. the only thing we got from the legislature was them saying no without offering an alternative. if i have a problem with something, if i'm going to be critical about a plan, i should have one of my own. they've not done that. they've chosen to run to the supreme court, which has acted as an extension of the legislative branch as of late. that's why the safer at home order was struck down without any real path forward and created chaos for local governments and tribal governments as well in the state of wisconsin. >> and so my understanding now

is that you've got some places where bars and restaurants are open, people coming from over the border from other states saying, good, now we can go out to the bar in your state, which means more potential tax on your public health services. this sounds to me like chaos. >> well, absolutely. it's a patchwork now. they are following right in line with president donald trump, who offered no streamline set of rules or set of standards that the federal government should operate by, leaving the states to figure it out. and now that our safer at home order has been struck down by the hyperpartisan supreme court here, we are seeing, you know, cities and municipalities figuring it out and playing by their own set of rules. they can take milwaukee county, for example, city of milwaukee has a stay-at-home order. it's a little bit different. the rules are different no matter where you go. the fact is what i've tried to explain to people is that

there's no municipal boundary, no county line road that's going to prevent the disease from coming into your area and into your community. it's very irresponsible on behalf of the legislature. have they offered any plan we've said no to? no, they have not. they are just critical without being productive. people's health and safety is being completely jeopardized. >> and do i understand that the sort of swing vote here was the same supreme court justice who was just voted out and who also essentially forced voters in your state to line up and vote even though that was also unsafe? >> let's point out the fact that this is donald trump's hand-picked candidate for supreme court who lost in the election this april. that should have never taken place in the first place, by the way. but, yes, that was the deciding vote on his way out, big middle finger to the people of

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today, apparent democratic nominee joe biden says voters will reject donald trump. media figures argue that what the former vp really needs is black women to support him in record numbers and with record enthusiasm. the authors say we have been the democrats' most reliable voting bloc since passage of the voting rights act of 1965. biden's only path to victory is through black women and the voters we know how to energize. very simply, vice president biden, you know us, you need us and you must not take our votes for granted. they must be earned. resident fellow at the harvard

kennedy school and the author of "say it louder: black voters, white narratives and saving our democracy." joining me now, tiffany, i'm going to start with you. this piece in the washington post, the video that goes with it outlines three things that the group of you say need to be done. joe biden needs to do. what are those things? >> well, one, we say black woman as vice president. two, a black woman supreme court justice and, three, the adoption of a comprehensive black agenda. i know for some people across the country that may be radical. if you think about it, joy, we had a white man vice president at the same time we had a white man attorney general at the same time we've had almost all white men supreme justices. we don't believe that it's too much to ask that our work be

rewarded, that our labor bear fruit in this administration. i'm so proud to join my sisters in this effort and make our demands heard at the national level and i certainly hope that the biden campaign pays heed to what we're asking. >> you know, a lot, tiffany, that you hear in the twitter-verse and the world is black voters already vote for democrats. biden's got black women. they're going to vote 90 plus percent for biden anyway. why does he need to do anything extra? how do you respond to that? >> that is such a dangerous misunderstanding and misconception. biden would be wrong to assume that he has black voters. now, yes, black women do overwhelmingly vote democratic as do black people but we're asking our friends and family to leapfrog over this unholy trinity of things, election interference, gop voter suppression. now we have the dangers of covid-19. if we are asking people to put their bodies on the line, to put

their lives at risk, to put their livelihoods in the hands of this administration, we would like some of those demands met. if joe biden thinks he is joe-bama, he is wrong. he needs to make in roads to this community. black voters, as we always do, made a pragmatic decision. it's not that black voters are overly enthusiastic to joe biden but he looked like the candidate who, one, was the most likely to get elected, that the rest of the country would vote in his interest and vote for him and two, cause the least harm to the black community. i want to be clear and say in no way are we saying meet these demands or we won't vote. you're asking us to lift you up. make our lift that much lighter by meeting some of these demands. that's what we're asking for. and we hope that the biden campaign will take heed to these demands. we are here to help him. help us help you. >> well, you know, elena, in your reporting i wonder how the

biden campaign is reacting to this, because now there are demands on the table of him. and he does have a record, as did hillary clinton, that could help him. he has some connections to the african-american community i saw it myself in selma. he also has a record. he has anita hill. it's an issue. the crime bill, which did in hillary clinton, which she had nothing to do with other than being married to the guy who signed it. does the biden campaign understand it's not a walk for them with black voters? >> i do think they understand they have a real responsibility. and following up on the constituency that lifted them, first in south carolina, key to turning around his bid in the primary and second is super tuesday. they're looking at this very similarly, in fact, to how president obama ran his vp search, which vice president bi biden is deeply familiar with, somebody who has tested on the national stage, somebody who has been vetted through this primary process, who has gone through those national presidential debate stages. those are the sorts of things they're looking for. he has three women who he has

competed against in this primary list and, obviously, kamala harris is the only black woman on that list in those who competed against him in a primary, presidential primary. certainly she is top among those potential options. look, you have several other women who are at least in the mix right now. >> and do you have any insight into who is sort of gaining favor? there's been a lot of pieces written about the family sort of favoritism toward amy klobuchar, who had issues that would be a thing if they picked her. do they have any insight into who they're leaning toward? >> my understanding is that, based on my reporting, they're really looking at two things. one, which is somebody who can take over the presidency on day one. somebody who has that experience, who can jump into the job given biden's age in particular, with the awareness of looking at whoever this candidate may be would be the likeliest to go on to be the next potential sort of top pick

for president nominee themselves and two, chemistry, which is a difficult thing to measure. it's all about personal relationships. and that's very difficult to gauge not only sort of in this cloak and dagger moment of vice presidential but in this covid era where a lot of these conversations are happening over the phone as opposed to how they would traditionally happen, which is on stage, all appearing at events together, get time backstage with the families. it's a much more complicated process this go-round, but one that still very much relies on chemistry. >> tiffany, do you have a sense in talking with -- i know there's no classes right now, when you talk with young black women and men, when you talk with people in the world through your work that you do, is there a preference? we saw stacey abrams sort of looking like an audition last night. there's a lot of talk about elizabeth warren being a very popular pick for a lot of people, including some black people. there's a lot of talk about kamala harris. do people have a preference, or is it just that he's making that

statement that black women are important enough to reward with this position? >> so i think two things can be true. one, yes, i think there is a preference. and i think that overwhelmingly black voters -- it's not a question of how black are you, but how black are your policies? how does your platform speak to me? that's first and foremost. two also, i think people want a ticket that will energize. this talk of vice president amy klobuchar feels like a slap in the face. she's been problematic, does not have a great record on race, does not seem to be something she wanted to correct on the campaign trail. there's a lot of stories that came out about her in the way she treated her staff and she tried to spin it that she was a woman being tough but really when you look at some of those things, i know what matters to black voters overwhelmingly it's authenticity. i don't think they'll respond to somebody who is trying to be

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system atically disenfranchised. indigenous communities still have limited access to health care, infrastructure and have disproportionately higher rates of chronic illnesses. the coronavirus pandemic has exacerbated those existing disparities. according to indian country tod today, a newspaper that has been tracking the pandemic among native people, nearly 5,000 cases have been confirmed and nearly 150 people have died from the coronavirus. the navajo nation, the largest indian reservation, now has a higher death rate than any u.s. state except new york, new jersey, connecticut and massachusetts. navajo nation has compared 8% of its population relative to 2% of the u.s. population. the c.a.r.e.s. act allocated $8 billion for native tribes. it took more than a month for the treasury department to distribute a little more than half of that money.

they've paired with core, doctors, emergency workers and government officials co-founded by sean penn to pilot free, expanded diagnostic testing at five sites in navajo country. for more i'm joined by sean penn, and president nez of the navajo nation. the money that is owed to the navajo nation. has it ever gotten there? >> joy, thank you for having us on the show. let me, first of all, say that yesterday's epidemiology report has 12,697 total tests given to our citizens here, 8%, little over 8% of our total population have been tested. 3,632 have been positive and over 50% of those numbers are right here on the navajo nation.

354 are negative, 327 deaths. we also have some good news, even though all these numbers are not that great, but recovery, 515 confirmed recoveries here on the navajo nation. with what sean and core has been doing with testing here on the navajo nation and the dollars that have finally come in one week ago -- we waited seven weeks. we had to file a lawsuit against the u.s. department of treasury for those dollars to go out to indian country. 574 tribes. and, you know, with the help of ali young, mark rufolo, and sean penn here, you know, we're utilizing our own resources through friends of the navajo

nation to get the food and supplies to navajo citizens. >> sean, one of the challenges is that there were already disparities in terms of access to health care. meaning in many of these, in parts of indian country, as it's called, there weren't a lot of hospitals anyway. so, how is the resource allocation working to make sure that the amount of hospital availability, the amount of ventilators, et cetera, matches the need? >> the first resource we concern ourselves with as an organization is leadership and citizenry are combined in terms of helping each other. we found that in extraordinary ways here at the navajo navaj

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