or make our loved ones sick or god forbid that we or someone we love will die. the idea that anyone can die from this crisis, the virus at any time at any age and the only hint that they're even sick may be a dry cough or not be able to taste their food is frankly terrifying. the number of fellow americans who are dead, more than 88,000 and counting. and nearly 1.5 million infected in america as of this morning. the most in the entire world is really scary. and it's got to be even more frightening for the people who can't avoid leaving home and exposing themselves. the meatpackers who are keeping the food supply chain from completely falling apart, the delivery people keeping up with all of the online shopping that we're now doing. the security people at the stores and at the checkout clerks. the bus drivers who are making sure that we get from here to

there, the postal workers making sure we receive our packages, the nursing home staff who are in special danger as we're finding out. all groups of already lost people to covid-19. and the medical first responders including ambulance drivers and ems workers and emts, and the doctors and the nurses who are on the very front lines of this fight. it's why you see new yorkers applauding for them every night and people in other cities whipping up makeshift bands to celebrate them, marching down the street. the fear is in doing the work that keeps the rest of us safe and alive, they will get sick themselves. and if we lose too many health care workers, well, we're in real trouble. what we should not be having to fear in this country in 2020 is that our first responders are being put at unnecessary risk, not just from the virus itself but also by other people. whether it's these ridiculous

astro turf protesters confronting them and spewing droplets with their unmasked faces while they scream demanding people go back to work, to serve them and do their manicures, but also from the same old violent trends including police violence that have been stalking black and brown people since literally the beginning of this country and that for the last several years have been collected under the umbrella of an activist cry for relief called black lives matter. well, perhaps inevitably given our tormented history in this country and because everything is terrible black lives matter has finally met the covid-19 pandemic in the worst possible way. brianna taylor was a 26-year-old award winning emt in louisville kentucky. more than two months ago she was asleep in bed in her own apartment after midnight when police burst in. the "washington post" reports that according to the lawsuit that was filed on april 27th by her family, louisville police

executed a search warrant at taylor's home looking for a man who did not live in taylor's apartment complex and had already been detained. when officers came to taylor's apartment of midnight. taylor's boyfriend shot at officers when they attempted to enter without announcing themselves. the lawsuit alleges that police fired more than 20 rounds of ammunition into the apartment. brianna was hit eight times and killed. her boyfriend who was a licensed gun owner wounded one of the officers. he says he thought the officers were intruders, but he was still charged with attempted murder. police have not commented directly on the case and three of the officers have been reassigned as the investigation continues. brianna's mom told the 19 that she was scared for her daughter to go to work every day as a health care worker where she

could be exposed to covid-19 from patients and fellow health staf. she would tell her to be extra careful. she feared that her daughter might one day get sick or even die because she was an essential worker. what she could not have guessed is that she would lose her daughter anyway, but not to a virus and for ms. palmer, the nightmare began with a phone call in the middle of the night. according to the interview at the 19th, when waumer answered her daughter boyfriend was saying someone was trying to break in the apartment. she jumped out f of the bed at walker's next words. i think they shot brianna. palmer got dressed and left home for what would be an hour's long ordeal. she drove to her daughter's apartment, to the hospital and then back to the apartment as the sun rose. she said officers gave her little information and asked whether she had any enemies or whether she and her boyfriend

were having problems. finally, palmer figured out that her daughter was dead. so on top of her daughter being shot dead in her own apartment, she had to deal with these lies from police who knew that brianna was killed and then two months of watching her daughter's death consumed by the media focus on the pandemic crisis and therefore largely ignored until another young black american ahmaud arbery was chased down by armed white gunmen in a truck and shot dead in georgia. according to the police report, his killers claim they thought he was a burglary suspect and that they fired in self-defense. but ahmaud's family says he was simply out jogging. and for many americans his sorry and brianna's story suggest we're fighting the same damn fight that we're always fighting. police involved violence, senseless gun violence and race based violence, violence when it

comes to police involved shootings that is disproportionate on black men, women and yes, even children. even someone like brianna taylor who was doing her work to keep all of us safe. joining me now is the attorney for the families of taylor and ahmaud arbery. starting with the death of a child back in the early 2000s and here we are again talking about the death of an essential worker not from covid-19, in the in the hospital but because police burst into her home after midnight. i want to get a couple of these sort of facts straight here. police are claiming that when they bust into this woman's home they announced that they were the police. is that what the family understands? >> that is not what the family understands, joy. they understand from three neighbors who were there in their apartments that night that

there was no announcement. they said after the execution of brianna the next day that they knocked and announced. and then just this past week, they declared that they have a no knock warrant, so they did not have to announce. so which is it? the story keeps evolving no matter what day of the week it is. they don't have their story straight while this innocent unarmed black woman was executed while in the safety of her home. >> the person we now understand that they claim they were looking for was already detained. how can it be that a police department in one city doesn't know that they've already got the person detained and they execute a warrant to detain the same person? >> it makes no sense, joy, because they had the subject in their custody. if they just followed their

policies and procedures and not executed this violent, i believe, unconstitutional no knock warrant that is so dangerous when you think about it and it's disproportionately applied in communities of color where you burst open the doors or you throw bombs on the doors, people don't know what's going on and then you run in with guns ablazing and you can imagine if you're asleep in your bed at 1:00 at night and somebody does this what your reactions might be and especially if you're an african american, you know, if we move the wrong way it's shoot first and ask questions later. >> and you know, the boyfriend of this young woman who's a licensed gun owner did what people get a gun for, that if someone bursts into your house after midnight and you don't know who it is, what happened to his rights of stand your ground? isn't kentucky one of these

stand your ground castle doctrine states? >> yes, it is, joy reid and you have to ask the question, do african americans have a right to the 2nd amendment? i think when you look at what kenny walker did, he tried to defend his castle. he tried to defend his woman. he tried to defend thyeir lives but when he says self-defense and stand your ground the police arrested him immediately and took him to jail and charged him with attempted murder where he's facing life in prison. >> yeah, interesting that didn't happen in georgia. we'll talk about that a little bit later be i to stay on this case, the postal inspector said there were no packages of interest at brianna taylor's home. a postal inspector said metro police did not use his office to verify that a drug suspect was receiving packages at her apartment which was one of the

factors listed for a no knock warrant on her home. we also have according to -- we'll stay with that right there. is there any evidence at all that police had any reason to be in -- to enter that home? any reason at all? >> not that brianna's family is aware of and in fact, joy, we think it is a bomb shell when you know and we can prove objectively now that they put false information in the affidavit that they gave to a circuit judge for the basis of getting this no knock warrant for breonna taylor's apartment. think about it, joy. they said that the u.s. postal inspector verified that packages were being delivered to breonna's house for this drug suspect. the united states postal inspector is not on the record as saying emphatically that is not the case and there were no

packages of interest that went to breonna's home. so her family are finally trying to get some of the answers, but it still doesn't add up why the police would give false information. >> yeah. you have now calls asking for the federal -- the feds to step in although given this current justice department i'm not sure that helps at all, but anyway, officials announced on wednesday that the commonwealth's attorney is stepping aside from reviewing whether officers should face criminal charges because his office intends to prosecute taylor's boyfriend kenneth walker so this prosecutor is determined to go ahead and prosecute mr. walker regardless for using his stand your ground -- for trying to stand his ground and now they're saying they're going to step aside. is there a single prosecutor in this case that has come forward and been helpful to this family at all? >> not at this point. nobody has given any answers,

joy. and just two things. you mentioned ahmaud arbery. we have to remember that black women lives matter too equally and so if you stand for ahmaud you need to stand for bre because when you look at these two cases and the issues, it's just unbelievable. never have i seen two cases, joy, that has such a vivid distinction of self-defense of black and white. when you think about the killers of ahmaud arbery who executed him in broad daylight there was a video and when the police came to them, they said, self-defense. and when they said that, they were not arrested, they were allowed to leave and go home and sleep in their beds peacefully for ten weeks. but then when kenny walker who was in the bed with breonno,

when the police came in in plain clothes, ef to remember that. they called 911. they believed it was a home invasion that they were going to be burglarized and he fired a single shot and the police shot over 20 rounds from the front door from the back window, from the patio, they were so reckless that bullets went into the neighbor's apartments. a little five-year-old girl was sleeping and had a bullet in her room and breonna was executed. when they confronted kenny walker he said we were trying to protect ourselves. it was self-defense. but they arrested him on the spot, put him in jail, he is charged with attempted murder and facing life in prison and he killed nobody. now, tell me that is not self-defense and black and white in america. >> yeah, it really is -- it's

almost, you know, poet cli tragic. and i want to make notice for the audience too that the one of the people who called ahmaud arbery is a former police officer. gregory mcmichael whose law enforcement certification was suspended after completed failures to complete training. so we want to throw that in there as well. has there been an apology to this mom for the loss of her daughter? we're out here honoring people who are first responders, medical first responders and doing parades for them and applauding for them and they are the heroes of this horrifying pandemic. has anyone, any official in the city of louisville apologized to this mom for her daughter having been executed in her own home? >> joy, nobody from the city of louisville has reached out to

tameka palmer. kamala harris reached out and offered her condolences as vice president biden's office reached out with their condolences but no one from the city of louisvil louisville, kentucky and when you think about her mother was concerned about her contracting the coronavirus as she worked in the emergency room helping victims that she might die from that, never believing in a million years her daughter would be executed in her own apartment as she was sleeping and suddenly awakened and was shot over eight times in her underwear. >> unbelievable. ben crump, my friend, thank you very much. please keep us posted on this case and we'll have you back on to keep getting updates. thank you so much. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we're going to take a short

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ben crump, attorney for the family of 26-year-old breonna taylor who was killed by police in march that they're growing more suspicious of police and other officials after newly released details in the case. joining me now is ms. haines. she interviewed ms. taylor's mom this week. and louisville's civil rights activist maddie jones. i'm going to go to you first because your piece on this, your interview with breonna's home really broke the story out for a lot of people who are paying attention to the covid-19

pandemic and this case brings that together with the black lives matter issues that we've been dealing with for so many years. can you just give me a sense and quantify for me in talking to breonna's mom, requantify her fears for her daughter and how this case sort of changed the way we're thinking of the safety of emts that are our first responders. >> yeah. good morning, joy. well, you know, what i heard from ms. palmer was that breonna was an essential worker. she was an aspiring nurse. she loved helping people, she loved serving people and so when this pandemic hit, that is exactly what she was doing and that was an issue that was of concern to her mom. she was proud of her daughter but at the same time, she was worried about her. worried about her being exposed to covid-19.

we know that black people in this country are 30% of the death from covid even though we account for only 13% of the american population and so she would tell her daughter things like please stay safe, please wash your hands and we know that the pandemic has already unveiled you know, inequality in this country in a myriad of ways, but the thought that her daughter would be one of the disproportionate deaths from a police shooting was not something that was on her mind in the midst of a coronavirus crisis. >> yeah. i'll get to you chanelle and also ms. jones. i'll start with you chanelle. the idea that we would have to be talking about police blasting into the home of a first responder and pumping eight bullets into her, that that is the way we're losing now our first responders is shocking, i think, to most people, not unfortunately to a lot of black folks who have feared police for

a very, very long time. does it surprise you that the mayor of louisville who has now called for the fbi and u.s. attorneys to review the case has not contacted the family, not said we're so sorry to have lost this first responder, that he's not said something compassionate to the family? >> you know, it's interesting that you say the word compassionate because this mayor has -- he has never really taken in account the violence that happe happens. they have murdered ten people including a year ago yesterday. he really is calling in this time right now only because her murder has become viral that he has something to say. he watches out pr for his

wallet. >> i think the connection is not the best so i'm going to give that a moment to see if i can get the connection a bit better and i'm going to go to brittany just for a moment. brittany, it's difficult enough to face the idea of losing somebody who's a year older than my daughter, you know what i mean? this is a young, young girl and on top of that, there don't seem to be a lot of honesty about what happened. the person was already in custody we're looking for, the postal inspector has said there was no package being delivered there that was suspicious. there's not a lot of honesty with the mom. the mom is looking for the daughter and they -- the police know the daughter is dead but they ask her well, you know, did she and her boyfriend have any problems? you know, the dishonesty i think of it is what is -- is almost more shocking than what they did. >> well, as someone who has been working on issues of police

violence for a number of years now, this is something we have to remind people of all the time, that not only are police often unfortunately dishonest, there is a system built to protect and in some ways encourage their dishonesty, that there are a number of police bills of rights and police union contracts that protect and create space for that kind of dishonesty that in some cases that actually illegal to question police officers when they have killed somebody for a certain amount of time and sometimes police officers are actually able to see the evidence that will be used against them when they have taken somebody's life. these are the kinds of things that activists like chanelle and so many others have been trying to fight back against and trying to make sure that things like citizens that have subpoena power can be made available in cities like louisville to be able to prevent more cases like

breonna's, like to prevent more cases like kenneth's from happening. i want to go back to erin's point because it's so critical. breonna was essential not just as a worker but also as a human being. attorney crump made the point so eloquently, black women's lives matter too and we had to work so hard to make breonna's story go viral just to make people say her name. and if i can take off my commentator had for a moment and put on my activist hat and my ferguson commissioner hat and my obama policing task force hat i want to speak directly to the mayor because he should be sitting on this panel too. he should have a whole lot more to say than he has. mayor fisher, ms. palmer, breonna's mother is your constituent and she pays your salary. breonna taylor was saving your city and after two months you have had nothing to say to her

mother and no one has been held to account for breonna taylor's death. she did not take her own life. it was your officers who pumped eight bullet sboos her body while she was laying in her bed. someone, you and your officers will have to pay for that and we are tired, sick and tired of our elected officials not taking accountability for what happens to our people. >> you know,en, you know, just in your reporting have there been any, you know, any statements from officials in louisville about that, about the loss of an essential worker? you would think that in the environment we're in now and kentucky has a ratcheting up number of cases. you know, there was a count in kentucky that's got the most increase in cases of covid-19. have there been any statements that you have been able to report on from officials in louisville on what it means to have lost an essential worker in this way? >> well, i think in the wake of

the story that i did on -- officials in kentucky starting to speak up -- mayor fisher that came out after that story, also senator mitch mcconnell has said that he actually believes there should be an investigation so even some bipartisan calls were in the breonna taylor case which two months really was not getting -- not only the attention, but ms. palmer, her mother wasn't getting any answers and a senator of california, a black woman alarmed by this case to really raise and try to get action for justice to be done and for her family to finally know what happened to her and who should be held responsible. >> we are having some fun audio problems this morning.

listen x we're all doing these things from home so i want to apologize to the audience, a little bit of audio coming in and out. hopefully we'll get errin's audio back to normal. we'll be back later in our hour. i want to thank and apologize to maddie jones down in louisville that we were not able because of technical issues to get them in. we will invite them back to the show so that we can hear from both of them because we definitely want to hear from local folks in louisville on this important story. all right. thank you all very much. senator cory booker returns to a.m. joy next after the break. rns to a.m. joy next after the break.

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really going to get the economy up and going again, people have to be brave enough to begin to engage in economic activity. >> oh, well, to hear mitch mcconnell tell it reopening the economy is simply a matter of bravery. not a matter of life or death for thousands of vulnerable americans, just bravery. he said protecting businesses from liability, now, that -- should their workers exhibit such bravery and come to work and they get sick or die, now those protections, they must be at any forthcoming legislation and it's so vital that they're in it it's a red line that republicans will not cross. if you're forced to go back to work and then you get sick, well, that's on you, signed mitch mcconnell. joining me now senator cory booker of new jersey.

congratulations, senator. that's a small bead of good news. can you explain to me how it could be that senator mcconnell who says he won't put anything on the floor that trump doesn't like and trump has said that the $3 trillion from the house is dead on arrival. he's not interested in making that bill passes to keep police and firefighters and emts working, but there has to be liability for businesses. can you explain that? >> no, i can't. you know, we had a hearing on this already in the senate judiciary committee and it was met by many of the witnesses that this is a time that the federal government should be putting down what the standards are whether it's osha or other oversight agencies, if they follow those rules they would be safe but if they were reckless or did things to endanger their workers they should be held accountable. that's not the route that he's taking. it seems like he's more interested in protecting large

corporations from legitimate lawsuits or meat packing industries where we see some of the most awful behavior and recklessness as opposed to protecting workers who are really showing the courage of going to work and should be protected and not abused or exploited. in fact, what nancy pelosi and the house's bill does which i think is really important is actually put hazard pay there so these so-called essential workers, it's not just a great pat on the back that we're giving them but actually supporting them with extra pay in their paychecks. >> and you know, the -- the los angeles times wrote about mitch mcconnell's determination to make sure there's business liability protection in the bill and it has sparked apparently a lobbying frenzy and here's a little bit of the times story. industry groups representing doctors manufacturers and business owners are rushing in. generally seeking higher bar for allowing employees, customers or

patients to sue a business owner. what it sound to me like is that mcconnell is very interested in other republicans enforcing, particularly hourly workers to go back to work even if they are at risk and if they get sick they want the business owner to have no liability whatsoever. there doesn't seem to be any -- is there any interest, have you heard from your republican colleagues that they want to do anything to protect the actual workers? >> i mean, that's the frustrating thing to me, because i did hear republican colleagues of mine talking about the cdc putting out guidelines that should be abided by businesses or osha standards, but that's just not being pushed by this administration or mitch mcconnell. if there are clear standards of conduct that work then we have a base level and if they're violated workers should have the right to sue for their lives being put in danger by reckless behavior at work and gross endangerment. >> you have a small business

relief plan that a hundred mayors have endorsed. you proposed this bipartisan bill with others, so you've got a bill out there. how would you build in the best case scenario? i know you're very supportive of the businesses in your hometown. i've seen that firsthand that you really support them. how would it work in your mind if a business was going to reopen and how do you balance getting relief to them, making sure they can pay their rent and their utilities and they can operate but also balance what happens if somebody that works for them gets sick? how would you do it? >> yeah, well, to me it's not that complicated. first of all, the bill that we have focuses on those small businesses that have been elbowed out of a lot of the programs that we've already had. there is a bipartisan demand to get these community centers, these neighborhood pillar businesses that often are three

employees, ten employees back up and running and what i simply want is there to be clear standards for what we should be doing to protect workers. and businesses should be abiding by those standards. we have that already in industry. osha puts out clear standards. if they're violated people that have a right to take legal action. this is not about giving corporations a pass for gross negligence. it's not about giving corporations a pass to take cheap short cuts to endanger their workers. and so i'm a little frustrated because you know, there is a bipartisan desire, you know, you have all 50 governors joining together and saying we need help. they asked for $500 billion. you have mayors have a press conference this week over zoom demanding action. we have all these people that want another bill. you have the head of the fed just saying this is a time to be -- for government to be

spending to stimulate the economy. so don't call this a partisan thing. call this is trump/mcconnell thing because when it comes to people actually running stuff, mayors and governors and the fed who's watching this economy, everybody knows congress should take action and should take action quickly and the challenge we have right now as a president and a leader of the united states senate, mitch mcconnell who seem to not feel a sense of urgency, who aren't connected to the pain that a lot of people are feeling and they're trying to pump the brakes or push this back into the summer when i have businesses and local governments who are trying to keep firefighters and police officers employed telling me if they try to wait until july or august it will be too late. our small business will never open again. we will lay off first responders in a pandemic. that's outrageous. they're much more interested in bailing out corporations and keeping big business intact than bailing out the people who are putting their lives on the line every single day in our country.

it's outrageous and unacceptable. >> you also raised the issue of banks and unfair lending. you sent a letter to 22 banks. in the next bill, will there be mandate to make sure that small businesses, the minority owned businesses get access because that's been an issue too of not getting equal access to relief funding and to the sba loans that are being put forward by congress. >> accountability is three things. having a standard, we have standards in america, equality, equal opportunity access, having ways of measuring, you know, progress toward that standard, that's data and having consequences for failing to meet those standards so my frustration with this time of virus is getting our government to actively seek the data that we can hold everybody accountable from banks to medical institutions and the kind of resources available to minorities is just not there so i've been pushing everybody from

the cdc to businesses and banks to collect the data so we can see it. there's discriminatory results in a lot of these programs. >> yeah. and before i let you go, senator, i just have to get your comment on the murder of an emt in louisville. there's been calls now for federal investigation, the fact that this is how we've lost a first responder breonna taylor. do you have any comment on that? do you have any faith in the justice department that they'll do anything about this case? >> so look, i'm -- this has been a rough week. i just was with ahmaud arbery's mother. it hurts me because i feel like i've been having this conversation my whole life and it -- what really is troublesome is in the department of education that have vis rated their civil rights division to the department of justice that it stopped doing things to hold

police departments accountable and justice departments accountable so we don't have the kind of leadership that we need on the federal level. what happened in this case screams of federal -- a need for federal investigation from our civil rights division. i've been demanding it and i will continue because all the circumstances of that case seem to me to be just dead wrong and more facts that come out, the more offensive and grieve and hurtful it appears. there should be an investigation into this. people should be held accountable and no, we've learned from experience that you can't just leave it to local authorities who often have connections and conflicts that are just unacceptable. >> yeah indeed. thank you so much. stay safe. >> thank you, you as well. >> thank you. more a.m. joy after the break. . when you shop for your home at wayfair

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black women are miracle workers. we have been saving the democratic party since 1965. >> 2020 is no different. >> your only path to victory is through black women. >> the voters who need to turn out, we know how to mobilize them. our votes must not be taken for granted. welcome back to "am joy" in a powerful collaboration published in "the washington post," seven prominent activists and media figures, many of whom are friends of this show, made their message to joe biden abundantly clear.

it is high time the leaders in the white house reflect. the voting bloc known as the backbone of the democratic party. it was bloom women who supported hillary clinton at 94% in 2016 which an election -- it was black women who propelled the blue wave that flipped the house in 2018, even providing the margin that gave democrat doug jones a victory over roy moore in a stunning upset in deep red alabama. this isn't just about choosing a black woman to energize the base. as we discuss day after day, the country is facing a public health catastrophy, as donald trump maintains his push to reopen the economy. today there are more than 1.4

million people infected with coronavirus in the united states, and more than 88,000 are dead. african-americans are disproportionately dying of the virus as others continue to get killed by police and armed vigilantes, so black voters will be voting in especially dangerous times. >> whether we are talking about a black person who died of dough individual 19 because of lack of access to health care, or ahmaud arbury. >> we deserve solutions. >> a message loud and clear that joe biden can do for black women to not just vote, but also to put in the energy and the work to help get him into the white house. it is the question of the moment, but will he heed their call? joining me now is erin haines, editor at large for the 19th and

four of the seven women behind this unprecedented op-ed. thank you all for being here. let's just go around the horn. i actually want to start with latasha on this. getting out the vote is the thing you do and are so great at. when people look at the vote in the primary campaign, particularly in south carolina where joe biden won 61% of the voters were african-american, 33% of the voters were white, and joe biden routed there and in other states that have significant shares of african-american voters. when people look at that and say he did really well, you hear the

drumbeat that he already has black voters, why does he need to appeal to especially black voters further? how do you answer that? >> i think it equasi-to powtes . black women showed up for joe biden. we think it's incredibly important that he shows up for black women, many of those women in south carolina are underpaid when you look at their wages, their lack of access to health care, so the women who showed up for him, it's important that he shows up for the same women as well, as well as the constituents that came out to vote for him. so when we're talking about voting, it's not just the primary. we're not just voting to advance the candidate. we're voting and participating in the process, because we want or lives improved, we want representation of someone who's going to make us an essential shall, the issues that we care

about and lift those issues up. that's why it's important. it's not just about about the primary. it's really around our participation, around how does it literally advance and change and improve our quality of life. >> michigan has historically gone for the democrat since 91980s that hillary clinton narrowly lost in 2016, about you in 2018 in the primaries in south carolina black voters gave joe biden 61% of their votes. white voters only gave him 33%. if you go to michigan, white voters gave joe biden 52% and black voters gave them 66%. let's talk about the need to win the midwest. a lot of times we don't talk about it as a place that one

needs tosh but sore of the ocam's razor had hillary clinton carried more voters in detroit or flint, she would have won. so is the conversation about black women voters a southern conversation? a black states conversation? or is it also a mid western conversation? >> you know, i can be honest and say i think this is really a conversation just about winning. when you want to win a presidential election, you need black voters, whether it's black voters in the south, black voters in the midwest, black voters in the northeast or on the west coast. what's also true is this election holds some of the most important stakes i think we have seen in a generation. it is absolutely about what's happening in the white house, but it's certainly about whether or not we can protect the future of elections. it's about whether or not we can protect the future of people being able to participate in

those elections. it's about what's happening in our communities, and about how we move through this moment where at the intersection of a triple crisis, a public health crisis, a crisis in our democracy, and a crisis in our economy, and frankly the democratic party needs to win this election, and i think the question that this op-ed is asking is, what are you doing to win this election? you know that the most reliable voters in this party are black voters, and in particular black women, and yet we continue to see the mobilization of a strategy that is not working and has not worked in the last two election cycles. that's a strategy that is going to the midwest, not to appeal to black voters but instead to appeal to independents or swing voters who are largely white who have not decided that they are coming back to the democratic party after obama stopped being president. we are forcing the question here -- are you interested in

winning? and if so, what are you doing to invest, energize, activate and motivate our communities to turn out to the polls? the answer to that is, meet our needs and embrace the concerns that we have. >> amanda, to that very point, the article -- the column lays out three things that these cosigners say needs to happen that joe biden needs to offer. one was a black supreme court justice, one was a black woman running mate, but the thing was an agenda for black america. how -- talk a bit about that. what needs to be in that kind of an agenda? >> i think the other women around here are much more gifted at the specifics of the politics of that agenda, but in order for them to properly craft this agenda, i think the actual initial approach needs to be an understanding that -- and we've been saying this forever -- that

black people are not a monolith. so when we talk about the black vote, oftentimes there's a blanket approach toic looking at the black vote, you know, they're all blacks and all wants the same thing. when you're not actually going into the black community and look at the things that separate our experiences, but also enjoin our experiences, you can't possibly make a comprehensive agenda, because you don't have a comprehensive point of view. you have a very generic point of view of what it is to be black in america. i'm not you, about you if they haven't noticed, since the civil rights movement, there have been so much growth in different areas and so many different dichotomies, that there needs to be a much deeper exploration into our needs in order to meet them properly with legislation and policy. >> you know, britney, i know you work on a lot of these questions. you know, is there something that joe biden can say?

are there specific policies that you think are important to include? is it about health care? it about criminal justice reform? what would that need to include? i know that the biden campaign has put out what they're calling, you know, their agenda for black america. what do you want to see in it? and did you see anything in it that you think is productive? >> sure. we have seen the lift every voice agenda. we saw it as we were crafting this op-ed and certainly think it's a place to start, but every issue is a black issue. everything affects us. everything from health care to economic justice to criminal justice affects us and more. i think that this is a good place to start, but i do believe that it's critically important that joe biden very clearly acknowledge his role in the history of what has hand to black people in america.

at the he wants a broader cross-section of black people to fully believe that he will act in our best interests in the future to correct and atone for those behaviors, then he has to acknowledge exactly what happened before, apologize for it and be very clear as to how he will work not just in general, but from day one to correct those things. from there i think there's more specific things to be done. i think that the black agenda report is a great place to begin, because those ideas didn't just come from me or alicia or la tosha, they came from the biggest black census project done for our community in 155 years. this was not just an elite group of black people deciding what was best for us. this was all of our people saying what we believe we need in our communities, and that's precisely where to begin. we have grass-roots folks, leaders, pastors and imams,s

people in all facets of our communities saying what we need, and this should be a living document that continues to be informed by those votes. i think that what was said before by latosha, alisha and -- this is not a hostage note. this is a road map. the playbook in 2016 simply failed. there are a number of people who need to show up in order for the democrats to take back the white house in 2016. they did not excite enough people to actually excite the base and make sure the white house, the snapped and more is what we can ensure, but that we win the next few generation, not just the next few years. erin, you're out there reporting for "the 19" talking to women, there's a lot of reporting about who joe biden is considering. lots of aides say kamla what areries tops the list.

that is according to "the road." amy klobuchar is the most logical pick posts "the washington post." lots of recording about who he might be interested in. let me play a bit of joe biden with stacy abrams on thursday. >> stacy abrams has done more to deal with the fair vote and making sure there is a fair vote than anybody, so stacey knows what she's doing and she's an incredibly capable person. i'm not in politics timply to stand for office. i'm here to do the work. what i thought was making sure we have free and fair eye electric across the country the i did that through fair fight. >> on this question of whether or not joe biden will pick a black woman running mate, there is a question of if so, who? do you have any reporting that you can present as to who he is

thinking about and who may be being sort of shown to us, but maybe not really on the list? >> well, joy, vice president biden has said in a recent interview, i believe it was with reverend sharpton, he is looking at more than one black woman on the list senator kamala harris is certainly somebody that the vice president has said he has a lot of respect and administration for. and we saw in i think what we all have to acknowledge was -- in the conversation that he with had stacey abrams on the show. by the way, the vice president invited stacey to participate with him in that particular

setting. he's also doing events with senator klobuchar, so, you know, it's unclear who he is going to land on. i think we have seen him evolve over the course of this primary, saying he is open to a woman, to pledging to put a woman on the ticket, and even a few months ago, i was talking to people like alicia and other activists who said it's not just a woman, but it needs to be a woman of color and specifically a black woman. i think you have -- to your point you have seen a growing drumbeat that black women want to be valued for their input, and they're focused on not only a candidate in the primary, but shifts to electing something not just -- we know that black women don't vote only for themselves, but they take their whole community to the polls with them. when we talk about this pandemic

and people putting their lives on the line to go to the ballot, they need a reason to do that. at the certainly signals also. >> you know, there is the hanging question of the or what, right? >> the only person who was called out by name -- amy klobuchar was name checked in, who failed to prosecutor controversial police killings, and responsible for the incarceration of a young man, who was -- it's question whether that was true whether he shot it

in the air -- is he the one person are there exceptions to this? >> well, let me say this. i think amy klobuchar was named essential because he is essence is somewhat of a symbol for the failed strategy that the democratic party continues to pursue, in relationship to trying to lure voters who essential independents. i can also say quite frankly that the "or what" as brittany said, were the canaries in the coal mine. our communities are not being engaged. we have not been interacting in this campaign despite having made overtures to it, and what

we're seeing in terms of voting patterns, black women as the backbone of the democratic party, you know are, in essence,s in danger of staying home. what we saw in 2016, sure, over 90% of black women who voted voted for the democratic nominee, but we should also note that the number of black women who were eligible to vote -- or the people who actually participated dropped by about 10%. what you're saying is people who can vote, right? who knows what's going on, are saying i'm just not motivated to do it. on the flip side, i think it's important to keep in mind as we talk about black voters, that black men are voting at similar rates as black women, but we should also be clear that since 2016, we have also seen a shift in voting patterns among black men who vote. we're not seeing them stay home,

but they're giving their votes to a different party. so the or-what is, if you want us to turn out and show up to save the moral center of this country once again, you have to work hard for black communities and you have to work hard for black women. if you don't, the reality is even though all of us on this panel know how important it is to vote, even though we're doing the work to mobilize people to do it, it's hard to keep telling people to turn out when they see the party is not turning out for them. the party has to engage in black communities early and often. >> just before we go, have you all heard back from the biden campaign? i'll lthrow it out to everyone. i'm hopeful this is an expanding

conversation, one that will continue to bring in more black voices, more young black voices, more progressive black votes. colloquial definition of insanity doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different result. we're trying to do this a different way. such a power panel here, thank you very much. i appreciate you being here. be safe out there. be sure to tune into "am joy" tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern when stacey abrams joins mess live. i speak live with the mother of brianna taylor, the emt who was killed by police in kentucky. stay with us. lled by police in kentucky st wayith us how about no

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fatal shooting of an emt worker. 26 years old brianna taylor was shot and killed while sleeping in her own apartment. according to the family's lawsuit. brianna and her boyfriend thought they were intruders. the boyfriend wounded, police began firing blindly, says the lawsuit. she was hit eight times and killed. three officers have been reassign and the police chief has asked the justice department to review the handling of the case. joining mess is briana's mother and back with me is benjamin crump, the attorney for the family. first of all, our deepest condolences. she was a hero as an emt and first-line responder. tell us a bit about her.

>> um, she just was a sweet girl. she loved to help people. she was a hard worker, she was a good friend, a great daughter. anybody who came in contact with brianna pretty much loved her. >> and on the night that this incident happened, you were on the phone with her boyfriend, right? >> yes, he called me. >> did he say anything to you that he believed police had entered the apartment? >> not at all. he said, i think someone was trying to break in here, and i think they shot brianna.

what did police tell you last night? did they indicate they knew what had happened to her? >> no. >> when i first got there, police was covered in police. the officer at the end of the row -- i explained to her i needed to get through there, something was going on with my daughter. she said, no, ma'am, you need to get to the hospital. she said there were two ambulance. the first took the officer, and the second took whoever else was hurt so i asked what hospital, she told me, and i went. i explained to the people there who i was looking for. the lady said, well, hang tight, let me see what's going on. she came back and said she's not here. i said, maybe they're still on the way, because they told me

she would be here. so i waited for almost two hours, and for her to come back and say, well, ma'am, we have no recollection of this person being on the way, like there's no call saying this person is en route. i knew i needed to go back to her house. >> has anyone -- apologized to or issued official condolences from the city of louisville to you? >> absolutely not. >> ben, to wrap this up, do you have faith in a federal investigation? >> well, i've been talking to my co-counsel, and they believe as long as we keep pressure on, we're going to get a special prosecutor. i don't have personal faith in

the federal department of justice based on the things i have seen, but -- >> we're losing ben's audio. but tamika palmer, i want to let you know we all feel for you, and your daughter was a hero in trying to care for the people of louisville. we wish you the best. thank you for taking some time with us today. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. all right. more "am joy" after the break. more "am joy" after the break. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus

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a broad agreed-upon way to do this. >> there's been a long-standing deal in public health. it goes something like this. the states run public health, but the federal government, through the cdc, provides detailed guidance, provides technical and often financial

support, and it's a federal/state partnership. what we are seeing in the middle the biggest pandemic, is one of the two partners is kind of absent. the federal government, through the cdc, has not been keeping up its end of the bargain. we are awaiting a press conference from governor cuomo. we'll bring it to you live. first, on thursday the cdc released new guidelines to help schools joining me is dr. corey aybar chair of the minority task force, and the guy we call dr. common sense. thanks for being here. let's look at the updated map of the cases that we've seen, where the flare-ups are happening. not a lot has changed in terms of where the hot spots are, a

few in the west, obviously the northeast, new york city, which is one of the reasons governor cuomo has become kind of america's proxy president. it says, quote, these new guidelines, which appear to be watered down from previously leaked version, provide brief checklists meant to help key businesses operating in public to reopen. a cdc offered decision-making tools for schools, workplaces, camps, child care programs, mass transit, bars and restaurants. can you explain, why would the administration want to roll back and water down the guidelines? the guidelines are designed to keep you from dying. >> right. well, basically what seemed like what happened, once the cdc released the 68-page document,

that the white house does have some control over the cdc and their messaging. what had to happen is they had to pare down their documents, now, what i will tell you, that document, if you go online, it can send you down a rabbit hole for hours with the links. the first at phish glance they seem rudimentary, and they are. when we look at the school systems and the guidance we need for restaurants, we need more at first glance. they're saying, i don't want to go to a restaurant where i don't really know exactly what to expect. we need to provide that at every restaurant. that needs to be something that's punitive if we don't wear them, and we know they're fighting their rights to say i want to be able to do what i want, but when we start talking about minorities in this, we cannot forget that minorities are going to be on the front lines serving the food in the

hotels, providing all the transportation, and we never let that go, because the point is that because we talk about racial disparity, i don't want to talk about that. i want to talk about racial inequality when it comes to health care. that's what's causing our people to die. >> one of the things that didn't happen in the new guidelines is they took away the guidelines that were supposed to be there for churches the cdc did not publish a decision tool for religious institutions on thursday. we know of at least one prominent case of a pastor who insisted on having services in person, wound up catching coronavirus and passed away. it doesn't make sense to roll back guidelines in that specific areas. >> exactly.

the reason why is because -- the -- >> probably -- i'm sorry. i apologize, dr. hebert. thank for you being here. stay safe. governor cuomo. the number of lives lost, 157. that number has been stubborn. you can see may 10th it was 161, and these are, for all basically in the margin of error, if you will. this system is not that precise i believe when they go back and actually total the number of deaths, at-home deaths, et cetera, you'll see a variation in this number. again, we're right about where we were when we started. we just want to make sure we

don't go back to the hell that we've gone through. when we talk about reopening, we have about half the state in terms of regions, in the process of reopening. we have a dashboard that tells people where their region is, what's going on so everyone has information to inform themselves and to have conversations with their local government. we have a smart phased reopening plan that has been reviewed by great experts in the field. we feel very good about that. we're more nuanced in our analysis, looking for economic activities that you can start without crowds and without

gatherings. remember the problem here are crowds and gatherings. so what can you do, or what economic activity is willing to reopen without a crowd, right? they're talking about this in terms of sports. you're going to have baseball without a crowd, but it can still be televised. great. if you can have economic activity without a crowd, that's great. we can do that in this state with horse racing tracks, and we're going to do that. there will be guidelines for the actual participants, but no crowds, no fans. but for the industry itself, for the televised viewers, that can still work. that is also true with watkins glen that can operate and there's a big viewership for watkins glen we'll take our car.

update on elect erv surgeries. we're going to open westchester and suffolk counties for elective surgeries and ambulatory care. we want to make sure people who need medical services are getting medical services. there was a period where hospitals were basically dealing with covid -- if you need medical attention, if you need a medical procedure, you should get it, right? the caveat is always, as we reopen -- this is a new phase. this is an unknown phase. nobody can tell you exactly what

happens, because nobody has been here before. that's stone to tone across the morass, take a firm step and watch and see what happens. what happens depends on what we do. this is quite it's been such a unique situation, not for government, but for society. what will happen? tell me what you're going to do, and i will tell you what will happen. well, how can that be? because you're in control of what happens literally, will i get infected? will we have a higher infection rate? it defense on what we do. we expect to see an increase in numbers. we don't want to see a spike. >> well, will there be a spike?

it depends on how people react, and it depends on their personal behavior. are they wearing masks? are they using hand sanitizer? it's getting warmer. there will be a natural increase in activity anyway. people will come out of their homes. they've been there for a long time, the weather is warmer, they're going to come out. how do they act when they come out? that is the big question mark. reopening with all they question marks? i sit there and have the conversation with experts, what's going to happen. you tell me how people react, and i'll tell you what's going to happen. so if people are smart, then yes, you will see some increase in the numbers, but you wouldn't see a spike.

you've seen spikes in other countries that have open. you've seen spikes in states that have opened. we have i believe the most intelligence system, but it is still reliant on what we do. it is reliant on human behavior, so be smart and be diligence and don't undertim this virus. local governments will do their part. officials will be doing compliance. they'll be doing compliance on businesses that are opening. they're going to be doing compliance on enforcement, wearing the masks, et cetera, but still it's going to come down to what individuals do. the only other big question mark on where we go longer term is what the federal government does. we have a significant economic problem in this state. it's the collective of all the

individual economic problems. when you add up the collective, it's $61 billion to the state of new york. well, we don't really care about the state budget. that has nothing to do with me, i know that's what you may say, but that's actually not correct. the state budget is very relevant to you, because what the state budget funds -- we don't do space exploration in the state. we fund schools, we fund hospitals, and we fund local governments. that's the state budget. a lot of words, but it funds schools, it funds hospitals, and it funds local governments. local governments fund police, fire, all the heroes we talk about. hospitals, that's nurses, doctors, emergency room staff. the house passed a bill yesterday, which is a smart bill

which finally provides funding for state and local governments. they funded businesses, they funded millionaires, they funded corporations, who did they forgot? they forgot the police, the firefighters, the working americans. what a shock, right? on the house bill also have medicaid funding. it increases food assistance, 100% federal reimbursement for fema costs. funding for testing, which is so important. fine, we'll get it up and running, but we need funding. it repeals the s.a.l.t. tax penalty to the state of new york. $14 billion. $14 billion, which was a theft in the first place.

after the house passes a bill, it goes to the senate. to the senate, they should respond quickly. i understand from their point of view, they say we funded businesses, we funded millionaires. yeah, good, that's nice. how about, whoing americans? that's what the senate should think about, how do you actually help the american people? my two cents -- they couldn't delay, they shouldn't be captive of special interests. i don't care who gave you money to run for office, you still work for the people. don't bail out corporations and then have them turn around and lay off american workers. don't let them use government money to subsidize employee layoffs. don't do that. that betrays the trust of the american people. they bailed out the banks, and the banks turned around and gave each other bonuses.

i was attorney general, i brought actions against aig, i brought actions against banks like the bank of america, who took taxpayer money and then gave themselves a raise. don't give corporations money so they can then lay off workers in their restructuring to get lean. then the american taxpayer will have to pay for the people who are laid off. i'm afraid if this isn't raised sooner rather than later, that's exactly what these corporations are going to do. let's put the politics aside. if there's ever a moment in this government, in this country where it's not about politics, this is the moment. i mean, for senators to be talking about, i'm not going to bail out blue states, because the blue states have more coronavirus cases, shame on you.

that i am on you to-looking at the death toll and say i want to count how many people passed away by their political party. we're not democrats or republicans. we're americans. that's what comes first. try to be great in this moment. if you don't want to look at former politicians, go back to the good book serve says they

read the good book. if a house is divided, a house cannot stand. do you intend on expanding that to sports? >> look, what you want to do is increase economic activity as much as you can without spiking the infection rate, right? if you have an economic activity that can take place but generates economic interest, also entertainment interest, right? a lot of people are sitting at home. if something is interesting on

television to follow, that's great. it makes staying at home easier. with all our admonitions, stay home, stay home, stay home, it's easier if there there's some entertainment. we don't control baseball. i have spoken to baseball organizations. one state can't make that decision, john, but if it works economically, that would be great. we do control the racetracks. we can open watkins glen. >> reporter: is it just for the nascar race in august? what is exactly happening? >> i don't know exactly. do you guys know, rob? >> we're opening it to allow for fanless activity. to the extent that nascar wants to race, which they have indicated they would, as long as there's no fans, they can bring their staff with guidance and

operate. that's the same for the race tra tracks, and the vast majority of those employees are already on site working with the horses and training them. as the governor mentioned, the risk is minimal, because the activity is already occurs. >> reporter: for any of these sports, baseball in particular, there's a large number of maintenance staff, support staff. i mean, can you allow games in these empty stadiums and still can the for density reduction and social distancing among those staffs? >> that's what they're doing. they're coming up with a staff that says, first we have to maintain the stadium, there are people watching the stadium anyway. it's a big venue. if i'm only doing a game, i can bring back a limited number of staff, this is how they're protected. there is no density, because they're just secure the stadium. those are the plans they're

coming up with. one note, just in case you raise it with me later, i have brought my vehicle to watkins glen. i have driven my car on watkins glen. i'm not an official participant in nascar. i have no vested interest in opening watkins glen. if you this do open and if i'm invited to the ceremony, i may go and may bring my car and may drive it around the track, but there's no self-interest involved in the watkins glen decision, just to be clear. >> reporter: cot executive and steve mcloughlin have both said numerous times this week that says it's better in the nursing home stats are not factored into the reopening metric, because that's an isolated sort of problem. do you agree or disagree, and is that possible to get that separated? >> well, people are restless.

i think i'm more restless than anyone. i'm sure we all think we're the most restless. i understand the issue. to the extent we're saying to hospitals you should keep nursing home patients and not discharge them to nursing homes, they're saying that's artificially increasing the hospitalization rate. i get the point, and, again, it's not a capital district point it's a point across the board, so we're having those conversations now. we don't have a decision now, but we're having those conversations. >> when you talk about regional reopenings before, amounts terr dam is one of the reasons that's open right now, pretty closely here, is there a fear that people from a place like capital region will goo through the mohawk valley to shop, now that they have that option? >> the only differential on

shopping is when you open a phase one, you have a curbside pickup. you now have curbside pick upup that district, so there's not much difference. the other activities in phase one are almost by definition existing employees if a manufacturing plants opening up, they have the employees and the employees for that business is going to go, so there's not a lot of cross-region fertilization, if you will on that. >> reporter: you said yesterday they plateaued at about 400 net every day, and coming from home transmission. is that new date from hospital surveys? >> that's last week -- remember

we did the data last week where we looked at and wanted to know where the new cases are coming from. i had a theory, which turned out to be wrong, like many of my theories. i thought it might be predominantly central workers. that was new york governor cuomo talking about the state's gradual opening. he's also called for the senate to take up the heroes act passed by the house on friday. let's bring back dr. corey hebert, and dr. libby roy, msnbc medical contributor. so i was asking you, dr. hebert, did about this idea of trying to reopen a country without the stronger cdc guidelines. a state like new york that's have so many cases, or states like louisiana where you live that have had escalating number of cases, what is the way to do there in a way that's safe and

that also doesn't put particularly hourly workers, people of color, et cetera at excess risk? >> well, i think what governor cuomo was actually accurate, but a scientist i was to be more specific. it is illogical to think that a virus that has been a constant ravaging this country is now going down in the amount of numbers that we have as far as infected cases, that this will not go up when you start to let people out of their houses. the only reason why it went down and the deaths started going down is because of our actions. it wasn't because of the virus, because the virus right now is looking for people to infection. that's the science part of this. but as i mentioned before, science is very important when we talk about public health, but it's a four-legged stool. right now politics and economics are driving this, not science and not health. it's very important that people

realize that, so they have to protect themselves right now with the mask and social distancing. there's no safety involved in this. >> dr. roy, i think for a lot of people, they won't feel comfortable or confident, you know, going to a restaurant or to a bar or, you know, to just litch their lives or go out until there's a vaccine. what is a -- trump is constantly promising a vaccine by the end of the year. that was contradicted by his even experts. what is a realistic time frame? >> good morning, joy. thanks for asking that important question. i want to drive home a key point that dr. hebert made. it applies to vaccine, in the course of history the fastest we ever made a vaccine to delivery

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good day, everyone. we're approaching high noon here in the east, 9:00 a.m. in the west. it's happening. states stepping up their reopenings despite not meeting federal guidelines. this hour, what's open and where? assessing the risk. an immunologist says why americans are adding fuel to the viral fire by not staying at home. "operation warp speed." can it really happen? plus the push to pass another relief package on capitol hill. the house has passed a $3 trillion relief package, which

includes another round of stimulus payments for americans, but it's unlikely to become law. the president this week call it dead on arrival. the house also approved a rule change, letting legislators vote remotely. italy is easing travel restrictions. starting june 3rd, people will be able to travel across that country as well as internationally. it's back to the races. nascar returns this weekend. it's the first major u.s. sport to restart its season. the first race will take place tomorrow at darlington in south carolina, though without any fans. at the white house, president trump doubling down on his administration's initiative to have a vaccine available by the end of the year. experts expressing skepticism, to say the least, say anything less that much 12 to 18 months would be a medical miracle. we have a