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good afternoon, i'm alicia menendez, the house overnight passed another stimulus package. this one to the tune of $3 trillion. but with several democrats refusing to get on board, and only one republican signature, many including the president are saying the bill has next to no chance in the senate. democratic congressman joe cunningham of south carolina likened the legislation to a
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partisan wish list. it was a notion tim ryan did not appreciate. >> 40% of families who have a worker who makes $40,000 or year a less lose their job last month. 4 million people didn't pay their rent. and the republican party says we don't have any money to help you. are you kidding me? where do you guys live? food lines around the blocks at our food banks in the united states of america. one in five kids are going hungry. your party can't even get food to them. this isn't a wish list, if it's a wish list, it's for the working class people. >> as house democrats celebrated the president recaptured the news cycle it seemed, firing state department inspector general steve linnick. he had begun investigating secretary of state -- jonathan
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lemi lemire an msnbc political analyst. nbc news national political reporter. a lot to get to, monica, i want to start with you. he's the fourth ig to be targeted in six weeks. what do you hear about the rationale. >> we're told late overnight the president transmitted this over to congress saying he wanted to remove the state department's inspector general who was appointed in the obama administration and has served throughout the president's now current term, because he lacked full confidence in him, this is something the president has the authority to do. he can remove federal watchdogs if he sees fit, and it's a pattern we've seen emerge in the last several months. the president continues to do these, and we're told in this particular case, a white house official telling me that secretary pompeo wanted this
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move and the president agreed with it, that's why we saw it come last night. there are questions now over what lynnic may have been investigating and what he was looking into when it comes to secretary of state mike pompeo and his wife. and a political appointee who may have been doing something that was a little more in the personal category as opposed to the work category. democrats calling this all out outrageous and worried it might be an act of retaliation. >> you have republican senator tom carper of delaware, calling on fellow republican senators to join him in preventing the removal of linnick before the 30 days expires. what are the chance other republicans get on board with that call? >> it's unclear at this point. we know that democrats in the house and senate have given notice to the white house and the state department that they intend to investigate this, they asked them to preserve documents
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that could be relevant to this investigation, making serious allegations that the trump is eliminating this inspector general, because this individual is looking at abusive power within. it's far from clear that republicans are going to go along with this in a meaningful way. they have been supportive of this white house in terms of investigative powers. we'll see where this goes. this is a pattern of removing inspectors general. it's a pattern of hostility to institutional checks on the president's power. the big difference between this president and its predecessors is that they all have frustration with checks on their power. this president doesn't offer that level of respect for the institutions as well. >> the new york times reports that even those who have grown used to mr. trump's congress
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have found themselves amused by his divisive congress. is there anyone who's urging him to focus on the national crisis at hand? [ audio difficulties ] >> i'm having a little trouble hearing you, jonathan, i want to bring you in on the same question. are there people inside the administration that are cautioning the president that he needs to be focused on the covid 19 crisis in. >> no, not really. or if they do, he doesn't listen to them. i think we are well past the point now where we can expect anyone within the administration to have the president's ear to talk to them out of doing he wants to do. the chief of staff, mark meadows, relatively knew to the job, he doesn't anticipate challenging the president like john kelly tried to do with limited success for a time, before the president started tuning him out.
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meadows, like his immediate predecessor looks to empower this president. and those around him, you know, can catch his ear on some things but often can be ignored like jared kushner or perhaps kelly ann conway. this speaks to a broader issue, it's not just about watchdogs, few have been dismissed, it's about the president trying to rewrite history here with both the ukraine impeachment inquiry and the russia probe, that's the other headline out of the noncovid headline this week, was the michael flynn case and how his president and allies have said that they've tried to suggest that the president -- his predecessor, barack obama was behind a so-called scandal called obamagate, the scandal, this president hasn't explained what it is, but suggested it's an abuse of power, and president obama and his administration were trying to behave nefario
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nefariously to bring down this current administration before it even began by latching on to the idea that biden and others were part of the unmasking of general flynn and his contacts with the russian ambassador. there's no evidence just yet that anything scandalous was behind it. >> you had dr. rick bright with some just devastating analysis this week about how the administration's response means we're probably looking at a tough winter, we've had the white house ban or block testimony from some. what is their plan moving forward as these experts are called to come before corning and testify to what has already happened. >> you did see this week dr. anthony fauci appear before a senate committee. the white house is being very selective about when coronavirus task force members can appear before those kinds of
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committees, and they do say they want to go more the republican route, in terms of controlling the senate, because they have a better sense of what questions might be asked. you did mention there, dr. rick bright, that was a notable house committee, and it was something that aired on national cable television for most of the day and that is something that the president and his advisers took note of, he watched it and he had hhs secretary alex azar come out to reporters and try to refute it point by point. what dr. rick bright said there, with this devastating prediction of what the winter may hold, is echoed by dr. fauci, who says there's no doubt coronavirus will rebound in the fall. the president continues to say things like, this may go away on its own, vaccine or no vaccine, the public health officials don't back up that assertion alicia. >> jonathan, i want to go back to what you were talking about in the flynn case, the judge in that case seems to be just about
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the last person that president trump or flynn would want. he's known for probing the justice department, this week appointed a judge to oppose the dog's request. what do we know about this request and how it's likely to shake out. >> general flynn's future remains uncertain. this judge has been tough on doj before. appointed this other interest council in order to provide some sort of bounce in the case now that doj has abandoned their own standing in it, they're sort of wanting to -- for the case to proceed. but what we're seeing also is the politics of this. we don't know yet what will happen with michael flynn. we do know how the president and his team are trying to rally around it. trying to make a political point. but in particular, not just about president obama. we know that donald trump doubled down, triples down, 9, 10 times down.
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he's trying to really single out joe biden. his advisers are very concerned about his standings in the polls right now. the last few weeks, we've reported they briefed the president, and said if the election was held today he would lose. they don't feel they have the ability to drive up the president's approval rating so they're trying to drive down joe biden's negatives. they're trying to suggest he was an ally of ping when he was president obama's liaison to china. now they're seizing on the russia probe and saying biden was part of this deep state conspiracy to try to bring down president trump during his transition. i talked to a senior official last night. this probably won't sway a lot of swing voters. but they're hoping it generates
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enthusiasm among the base. many of whom -- this fires them up again, brings down some of biden's numbers and with hopefully resurgent economy, could level the playing field again as we head toward november. >> monica, jonathan hayes, thank you all so much. up next, latinos are key to joe biden's path to victory. is his campaign doing what needs to be done to win votes. i'll talk to the musician whose landed some of latin america's most powerful leaders. n america's most powerful leaders. s of items you need to your door fast the way it works best for you. even the big stuff. you get a delivery experience you can always count on. you get your perfect find at a price to match on your schedule. you get free two day shipping on things that make your home feel like you!
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that's the position politico raised this week. some saying, i can't tell what their strategy is with the latino community. and former new mexico governor adding that president trump's hispanic effort is much more active. i'd like to bring in the political director of the national domestic worker alliance. the former senior adviser to the bernie sanders campaign. and ruiz, a partner at new cos strategies. chuck, to start real big picture. set the scene, set the stakes, how critical is this voting block to joe biden winning in november? >> it's probably the most critical. folks would expect that coming from your residents. you can't win this without nevada, without arizona and many would argue being competitive in
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florida. the good news for joe biden, i can tell you this now that the campaign is over. when bernie sanders ran our first poll against joe biden in nevada, we were losing by six points with latinos. we went on six months later to win 73% of that vote. you can make up that time, but he's running out of time to get started. every day you get closer to november, more and more people are going to be tuned in, you're going to have lost that effect and weighing in coronavirus where our people are dying more rapidly, they're losing their jobs more rapidly. there's a tension in the community that you can feel, it's palpable right now. >> some of this is about infrastructure, and some of this is about signaling that you believe a community is important. what is your assessment of where the biden campaign is today? >> i'm so glad you said that, about infrastructure and signaling. that really matters. there's talking to latino voters
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and there's then making latino leaders and community members happy, elected. a lot of those elected in the chc came out very early for joe biden, and i'm sure they're expecting their loyalty will be rewarded. he's not doing so great on that. and he's not doing great at talking to the latino community. your tias, your abuelas. they're looking for him to talk about the issues that matter to them. a mistake the biden campaign is making right now is not looking at that. we care about health care, and immigration, a lot of democratic operative operatives. >> when you report out a piece like this, and there will be more pieces like this in the leadup to election day. they can sound like a handful of
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people have a grievance, because they were not reached out to directliably a campaign and they're looking to have their voices heard on this question. i wonder, what stood out most to you. >> we kept hearing the same thing from these people that we spoke with, there is a real concern that there's a lack of a game plan, it's playing out not just simply in a lack of official resource commitment, but also an outreach to leaders. julian castro, obviously was -- made history by being a latino running for president, he's someone who has not heard from the vice president since he dropped out of this race. sort of doing that, not only the big picture things. the personal relationship management that we heard. like you said at the top of the show. we're going to play key roles in
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decides whether florida is going to be a key state. there are going to be robust efforts coming out of their campaign soon. and they really talked often about how the coronavirus has hindered their ability to start that effort and look, i think that there is still time for them to change this. and certainly to -- the people we spoke with wanted to raise the sort of alarm before it got too late. there is still very much this pervasive feeling they are starting from behind. >> that dog has very strong feelings about the topic at hand. and i appreciate he wanted to be a part of this segment. this is a community that's being disproportionately hit by covid-19. how much does that complicate the picture for the biden campaign. >> politics in general is very complicated right now. we're not able to go door to
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door, have face to face conversations. joe biden is unable to go to states like arizona, florida, 234e6 neff and also, our communities are the ones that are being most impacted during this pandemic. i'll tell you, i do think the biden campaign is making progress in their outreach. it was just a few weeks ago, that he clinched the nomination, and yesterday they announced they're going to be staffing up in the critical battleground states, hiring more than 600 operatives in those critical states. those will be incumbent to reach those voters on a personal basis. some of that might be face to face when that becomes safe. and others will be getting creative with the tactics we're utilizing. the other thing i would note, it's not just on the biden campaign, it's on all of us. and they have received some critical endorsements like latino victory fund and others
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that are going to be mobilizing so we are making sure that latinos in the latino community and every single one of these states understands that there is really no comparison between biden and trump. >> the trump campaign is investing in actually courting latino voters. they don't need to win the latino vote, they just need to shave enough off to make it difficult for the biden campaign. what should the biden campaign be looking at and making of those. >> i never think it's difficult to follow the trump playbook. this is the first election where latinos are going to be the second largest voting block 234 this country opinion you don't just leave those voters on the table. you aggressively go after them,
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you do everything you can, and that doesn't just include talking to voters. it's about your ads, your message, your surrogates. a town hall, joe biden committed to a day one legislative plan. i should keep talking about the trail. >> if you were the biden campaign, do you treat this voting block as a go tv target or a persuasion target? >> it's persuasion. let me give you an argument for this in nevada, we found 108,000 latinos to vote since donald trump has become president. we went after them to caucus for bernie sanders. that's exactly what you need to do, state by state. these young la teen knows this young latinx group, they fell in
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line with bernie because their aspiration, they're thinking about it, you have to go in and talk to everybody. right now, you have a president whose demagoguing our entire population, treating us differently because we're brown whether we're immigrants or came from immigrants. people see that. it's not just about immigration. you may open that door with immigration. then you pound health care, start talking about affordable living, the things that your abuela and your tia is talking about at the dinner table every single day. >> two of the names we hear less frequently. also governor lujan grisham out of new mexico. was there a sense that putting either of those two latinas on the ticket would make a difference. >> i think they absolutely would make a difference. there's some resignation that there are other candidates that are a little more likely given
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that they have run for president themselves. he has said himself that he's going to be falling along much of the obama playbook that was used for his selection. and obama talked often about how he appreciated that he ran against joe biden, he was able to get a sense of him on the stage. these are the sorts of things that those three women that ran against him have all done. and those who were not part of the campaign, they did not get that initial vetting round that some of the other female candidates were able to do. certainly, all the strategy and lawmakers i said if they were chosen that would be a big deal. >> thank you all so much. coming up, the president says we'll have a covid-19 vaccine this year. why most medical professionals think that is a longshot.
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president trump is laying out a plan for the vaccine in the fight against coronavirus. trump claims the vaccine could be ready for the end of the year or sooner. he named a former pharmaceutical exec for warp speed. let's bring in the founder of advancing health equity. i wonder what you make of that time line, is that plausible? >> that time line is incredibly opportunistic. typically, even the 12 to 18 months dr. fauci has mentioned is also ambitious. usually it takes 3 to 4 years, to have a vaccine by december that would be ready for distribution, that we're going to have hundreds of millions of copies of that vaccine doesn't really seem that practical. but we will see.
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>> you also have the president saying that the country is beginning syringe problem. he will mobilize the military to distribute it. do those steps help americans get the vaccine faster? >> yeah, i mean, that strategy is incredibly important, and i think that -- i'm glad to see he's actually thinking about a strategy for distribution and mobilization. we're going to have to think about which groups are going to receive the vaccine in time. for example, are there high risk groups or certain racial groups that are at higher risk and may need that initially. all that needs to be thought about in detail. >> i want to pick up on that exact point. which is the department of health and human services. minorities are most often the hardest hit by this virus. as you look forward to a vaccine. and the dissemination of the
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vaccine, what does the federal government need to be doing to make sure all communities have access to it. >> that's a great question. we have seen that these disparities are quite profound. i know there are states that are developing -- there are specific disparities to work on these issues, they're really good at having to engage communities through neighborhood coalitions to make sure that these communities are receiving equitable allocation of resources, especially vaccination. another thing we'll have to think about is discretion that many of these communities, especially black communities have toward the health care establishment, we know about tuesday key go, the tuskegee experiment. we're going to have to make sure we have certain messaging and outreach that's available for this community so they will be able to accept the vaccination. >> parents like myself have been following very carefully, the
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cdc reporting an infection like process affecting children. >> this is a very concerning syndrome we're hearing about. what parents need to know are the symptoms of it, rash, you have pinkeye, you know, swollen hands and feet. a persistent fever, and what's also important is for us to reach out to community pediatricians to make sure they're also aware of the signs and symptoms of this syndrome. right now what we know is, that covid-19 does not necessarily a causal factor, there is an association seen since some of these children have antibodies or have children tested. we will have to see both u.k. and italy have described cases, we will see which communities are going to be impacted the most, totally understandable for
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parents to exercise caution and be on the lookout for these signs and symptoms. >> thank you so much. >> thank you very much. >> up next, new developments in two shootings that have sparked outrage across the country. text messages shedding new light on what may have led to the deadly confrontation of ahmad arbery in georgia. no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card. they're going to be paying for this for a long time. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? line! the desert never lies. isn't that what i said?
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she just was a sweet girl, you know, she loved to help people. she was a hard worker, a good friend, a great daughter. anybody who came in contact with brianna pretty much loved her. >> you just heard from the mother of brianna taylor who is zee manneding justice for her daughter. the family of the 26-year-old emt said she was shot and killed by police officers who forced
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their way into her home while executing a botched search warrant. the lawsuit says she and her boyfriend thought they were being burglarized and he fired at the officers in self-defense. the lawsuit accuses three officers of blindly firing three shots into the department. they north carolinaed on the door several times and announced their presence as police ex-cuting a search warrant. we're learning new details as officials investigate the death of ahmad arbery. the construction site he's believed to have entered, two months before he was fatally shot a glenn county police officer advised the owner to contact gregory mcmichael to look out for trespassers on the property. the property owners attorney said he didn't enlist mcmichael's help. this raises new questions about
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the events leading up to the killing of their son and the aftermath that followedp there were frequently people on the construction site both day and night. ahmad armery was the only one murdered based on that assumption. >> gregory mcmichael and his son have been arrested and charged with his murder after video of their deadly confrontation went viral. his client did not nor was party to the crime of murder. >> travis' attorney says their client has been vilified before his voice could be heard. they both remain in jail without bond. with me now is brittany cunningham, a black lives matter activist. a former member of president obama's task force. i want to start with you. you have the kentucky attorney general announcing he's going to serve as a special prosecutor in
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this case. once the police department investigation is closed. i wonder what you make of that announcement and what full transparency in a case looks like this. >> it looks like a couple things. recognizing that simply calling for a special prosecutor is a first step, not the only necessary step so many times we see that elected officials try to wait out the families and activi activists. the reality is activists, the families of the ten victims of police violence from the last three years in louisville alone, and more are seeking long term solutions to bring accountability for these cases and to bring prevention for more cases like it, we know that the special prosecutor is just a first step, but we also know that transparency looks like ensuring that the officers that were involved in this issue are
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brought to account. we look like -- we know that looks like making sure that they are charged, that they are fired. if it is applicable that their pensions are removed. that they are brought in front of a jury of their peers. and most importantly, as the lawyers of brianna taylor are calling for, that the 911 tape is it released. this is a critically important part of this case. kenneth walker is currently under arrest and has been charged with attempted murder for shooting through the door. the police did not identify himselves and he was worries his home was being invaded. he was doing what kentucky law allows for standing his ground, defending his home, girlfriend and property. because he's a black man in america, he was not treated like the legal gun owner that he is. the nra has not come to his support and he's now being accused of attempted murder. that 911 call is sith to this
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case, you only call 911, if you believe that your home is being inva invaded. not if you believe the police are on the other side of that door. transparency makes sure that the 911 tape is released to the public so we can hear what truthfully happened in this case and move on from there. >> the attorney representing armery's family is also representing the family of brianna taylor. >> black women lives matter too, equally. and so if you ran -- you look at these two cases and the issues, it's unbelievable. never have i seen two cases that has such a vivid distinction of black and white.
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>> rashad? >> it absolutely speaks to the way in which we need both account ability and long term rule change. what's interesting here is for both the amads and brianna situation. we have a case where we need justice for the individuals, but also look at all the ways in which we got to this situation. we look at ahmad, even the sort of release of the tape by the mcmichaels lawyer friend, and him thinking that by releasing the tape he was helping them speaks to a culture of justice. he could look at this situation and think that these guys did nothing wrong and this tape may actually help them. in the case of brianna, you have a situation where the ongoing sort of failed war on drugs that has targeted black and brown communities and has attacked black and brown communities
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comes to bare here when you have folks that don't have the right information don't have the right to be in this space, but are able to walk in and not have accountability after shooting up someone's home. in both of these situations the sort of ability for black people to simply live, protect themselves, walk down the street or sleep at night is at stake. and so brittany is absolutely right, each of these situations justice does require transparency, a case we can all trust, we also have to recognize and this speaks to the ongoing work of our movement, to really push and change the rules both for police departments and police officers and the work to change the accountability incentive structure for district attorneys. part of what we've been doing is through our westerning justice platform is a platform that looks at the 23400 district attorneys all around the country. and is working to change the rules for d.a.'s.
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holding them accountable. sometimes having to jump into district attorney races, and take out d.a.'s that don't care about black lives. day in and day out, working to shift those rules so we start to see justice long term. at the end of the day, having to continue to show up protecting and standing up and fighting for black people's lives after they have died. standing up to the community after they have already been shot up is not as important as all of us getting in the game right now. but changing the rules long term. >> thank you both so much. up next, one musician is spending his quarantine reaching out to people across latin america. elping thosewho serve stay connected to their families. and now verizon wants to give them something back. our best pricing ever. $30 per line for all nurses, teachers, first responders,
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a puerto rican rapper is spending his quarantine having exclusive conversations about coronavirus response and president trump's handling of the pandemic. he's collaborating with latin leaders, hosting virtual one on ones with the president of argentina. the new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> i have within watching these interviews, what inspired you to have these conversations?
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>> thank you for having me. i started to do these interviews because the example that we have -- the way people in the government of puerto rico are handling this pandemic is very since we are a colony of the u.s. we have as a model trump is our model to see. i thought that by interviews our presidents handling the things differently, people we had, that they will be able to understand different ways of handling the situation. that's why i wanted interview the president of argentina because i think they're doing a great job over controlling the pandemic. >> as we say in television land -- no, go ahead.
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also i interview a philosopher and because he had a good idea of giving people money so they don't have to go to work and they can stay at home. i don't know if it's working right now but i started out making this interview because i really wanted people to understand that we can do something different and here in puerto rico, we don't have a lot of tests, people are not taking tests and we don't know who is with the virus and who is sick. so, everyone, we have a really good luck down, like no one is going out and i think that's why nothing is spreading out but we really don't know. >> as you speak with these world
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leaders, as you speak with legislators in the u.s., what has been most surprising to you in the course of these conversations? >> i think like like right now what is very surprising for me is that the world -- maybe the world in general is not divided by being left wing or right wing, it's more divided by following the sign tiff iks and the health people and not following them because you have people from the left wing not following the instructions of the doctors and you have people from the right wing following them. so it's kind of -- for me it very interesting toi see how in latin america it's not working out. you have argentina doing
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something. yeah. >> the hispanic caucus is calling for the trump administration to send more aid to puerto rico stating they're struggling to deal with covid-19 because they're still dealing with the aftereffects coronavirus. what would you like to see for the island? >> i haven't seen a response like never right away. i think that happens to some of the states also in the u.s. it n it's not only puerto rico. puerto rico is not a state but it's a territory. we went to war and we collaborate with the u.s. in a lot of ways so we should receive this aid but we're not receiving anything. also, i would like to close down the airport because a lot of tourists, they keep coming and coming and they're infected and
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even if we are locked down, people that are infected keep coming to the country and that's bad for us, you know. >> you have been incredibly productive during quan teeranti. you released a new song this week, a new video. what do you want the message and the takeaway of that to be? >> well, i was feeling very a e anxious like everyone else and i just started to write and create ideas. so i wanted to create a chain of kisses around the world and i did it. i did a video and you can watch it on youtube and it's everyone from around the world, some famous people, too, they are on the video kissing. you know, right now to kiss someone is maybe not against the
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law but it's something that you can't do like the way you used to do, to do it, and i think that it's beautiful to see everyone in the same situation and fighting this with love. i think that it will help people that are feeling anxious about it to see other people in the same situation during quarantine. >> you've said maybe this is the end, maybe it a new beginning. what would a new beginning look like coming out of this crisis? >> a new beginning? i think that we have to start from scratch, from zero, you know, like i think that we really have to take this time to slow down. like we live our lives super fast, super fast and i come from the music industry that it's super fast and everything is numbers, numbers, numbers. and we have to forget a little bit about the numbers. we have to start living life,
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enjoying life in a different way and that's not happening. and i wish and i hope that that start to happen now, you know? like you guys have to stop thinking about numbers in the music industry, too, and start doing things because you love it and you like it, you know. yeah. >> residente, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> we are just hours away from a special event you will see here on msnbc "graduate together," america honors the high school class of 2020 where former president barack obama will give the key address. that's on at 8 p.m. eastern. the reverend al sharpton takes over at the top of the hour. he will speak with the mother of breanna taylor and her family's lawyer about the deadly shooting. that's coming up next on "politics nation." next on "politics nation." save in more.
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