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90,000. of course these states are reopening to a changed america with changed assumptions about our way of life. and that truth is at the heart of the wrath we're seeing for many conservatives protesting shutdown orders nationwide, but most evok tifl in michigan where this week the people's business had to be shut down due to the threatening behavior of these protesters who have chosen as simples of resistance assault weapons and it's not the economic destitution that has left more than 36 million americans out of work in just two months. that's likely because the groups getting hit hardest a black and brown americans, facing either joblessness or lifelessness if
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they do their jobin addition to the business as usual discrimination and disproportionate policing and, as i and others predicted, president trump with his play book for the november election now shredded by the economic carnage has reverted to attacks against president obama and pie-in-the-sky promises of vaccine for just in time of his reelection to keep himself in office. a lot to cover on the show today, including yet another case of police violence that has left 26-year-old brianna taylor dead. we will talk to her mother shortly but we'll start with the current status of this country in this pandemic era. joining me now is minnesota congresswoman ilhan omar. congresswoman, thank you for
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being with us tonight. >> it's great to be here with you, al. >> let me ask you, you have been advocating as we are dealing with the height of this pandemic, you've been asking for forgiveness of student loans, you've been asking for a freeze on present and mortgages. explain why in this whole economic downturn that the pandemic has set that you're saying we're not going far enough, people are being hurt and we need to give them relief. >> well, thank you, al. i mean, as we think about this pandemic, it's not just a public health crisis, it is truly an economic crisis. we're seeing, you know, nearly 30 million americans who are currently unemployed. because of this pandemic, we also know that the social, economic, environmental injustices that have been pervasive in this country are now being laid to bare and so
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many people in minnesota weren't able to pay their rent on april 1st, they weren't able to pay their rent on may 1st and now, as we are looking at june 1st, so many more people are not going to be able to cover their rent payments. that is going to cause a huge displacement. we are going to see so many people as bills come due unable to pay them, and the kind of economic devastation that we are looking at is only going increase if we don't do real imtatiim implementation of policy that is going to alleviate the kind of hurt people are feeling in our communities. so in minnesota black people are only 7% of the population. unemployment right now it's about 13% within the black community. that number is most likely going
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to increase because we know most folks in our communities don't have the luxury of working from home, so most of them have lost their jobs. we also know that when you have places like minneapolis where there are high asthma rates, the number of people who are going to contract this virus and going to possibly lose their lives with an already situation where they had respiratory problems, that is going to get exasperated. and owe when we aso when we are about addressing this issue economically, we have to think about what it means not only to deal with the public health and tests and trace but also put the resources where they are gravely needed to make sure the communities that were already devastated before this pandemic hit are not going to be further devastated as we go through this pandemic. >> and we include in that your call for -- of pardoning or
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forgiving student loan debts because as we rightfully celebrate badge situatigraduati many of those students are graduating without ceremony but extreme student debt. >> exactly. just for example, in minnesota 70% of those that are graduating are going to graduate with student debt. we know this is an economic issue, we know this is a racial justice issue. my sister iannap rpressley out massachusetts are pressing to get -- >> that's the new stimulus bill passed yesterday at the house going to the senate. >> right. >> a muslim american is running
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for congress in new jersey has been hit with all kinds of is m islamophobic threats. have you seen an increase of hate and targeting towards muslim americans and black americans and brown americans as we've seen these intensified protests about reopening the country? >> obvious because we have a xenophobic in office, someone who is exteremely anti-muslim, announced his campaign and said he was going to ban muslims within this country and has succeeded with that. with anti-muslim rhetoric, anti-black rhetoric, all of us dealing with that are dealing
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with the trifecta of that hate and it's devastating because we are a country that is beautifully diverse that has come a long way to create a place of acceptance and inclusion. and to now have those of us who feel like we have achieved the american dream not only to get elected to congress but to aspire to get elected to congress, to serve our country deal with this kind of hate really it sets i think the wrong tone and sends a message that our country isn't as inclusive, as welcoming as we could like it to be. and so i work really hard to try to make sure that we are leading with compassion, you know, those who have been convicted, who have been arrested because they've leveled death threats against me, i have written to judges to try to ask for leniency because i know that love ultimately trumps hate.
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and if we open up our heart, our country will ultimately welcome us and we will ultimately have a beautiful country where my children will never have to deal with the kind of stuff that i'm dealing with or imani out of new jersey is dealing with. >> all right. in all of our private meetings, you always express love over hate. thank you for being with us. and now for the state of wisconsin where the supreme court has overturned the stay-at-home order, ruling it unlawful and unenforceable. so now with tno plan in place, some counties are open, while some are keeping the order in place. joining me now is wisconsin lieutenant governor mandela bonds. lieutenant governor bonds, your reaction first to the state supreme court's ruling. >> the reaction is great
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frustration. like i said, with no guidance from the federal government to give all of us a streamline set of guidance and rules for us to make sure we're keeping people safe, states were left to figure it out on their own. and now our supreme court has ruled that our stay-at-home order, which has been proven to save lives, we've been performing at a much greater level than our neighbors. it's hard to say that, too, when we're talking about death and sickness. when you look at the potential death that wisconsin could have seen, we beat those expectations. what we were doing was working. you mentioned different counties having different rules. what's even more confusing is that within certain counties you have municipalities with different rules than the ones that border them. so it's all chaos and we have our supreme court to thank for it and we have our president to thank for it because we don't have leadership coming from the
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top. >> the supreme court was blasted by both sides of the sooaisle. >> you can't blame them. our administration had a plan to keep people safe and it was working republicans didn't do anything but try to score a political win and that's why they ran to the supreme court. our supreme court is acting as an extense ion of the legislati branch and the majority. one side had a plan, one side did not. one side only wanted to further allow confusion. it's been that way since the president on down. >> the jobless clals since the march shutdown is 36.5 million while in wisconsin just under a half a million. is that reasonable? >> no, it's not reasonable. it's very frustrating. you'll see people who point
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fingers and say we need to reopen the economy. when you look at the national numbers, it's a shame and it's misleading when republican leaders in the legislature blame the governor of one state for a national issue. so, yeah, we need to be thinking much differently. we need to think much bigger, much bolder. this is a moment when we need to totally reimagine society. we see that our heck system, that our economy, has been completely unstable. the amount of catastrophe that covid-19 has brought to the lives of so many people is unbearable. we have to come out of this thing on the other side much stronger, much more resilient, but more importantly much smarter. >> when you have the announcement by the state court of knocking home stay-at-home orders, do you feel other people may come to wisconsin that are in states where the stay-at-home order is still in effect and
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could infect people and get infected? do you fear out-of-state people coming to wisconsin just hearing this ruling? >> interstate travel has always been a concern but i'm also concerned about intrastate travel. there are areas that are less traveled but are tourist areas in wisconsin. if they are open whereas a bordering municipality may not be open, you're going to attract people. there's no county line or state line that will stop the spread of covid-19. the only way you stop the spread is by practicing safer guidelines that are proven by science, that have been supported by the medical professionals that we rely on for this guidance and, yeah, that's the whole thing, too. it goes back again, like i said, with the federal government. without a plan for this nation.
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every state did it a little bit differently. that's been a problem even from the beginning, prior to the supreme court's decision, the issue of interstate travel has been one of concern. >> a lot going on there. we will never forget the pictures of people having to vote online, choosing between risking health and their right to vote right there in wisconsin. thank you for being with us, wisconsin lieutenant governor mandela barnes. now with me my political panel, zerlina maxwell and hugh hewitt, a conservative radio talk show host. hugh, let me go to you first. you and i disagree on a lot but always respect each other. i was excited to have you on again. i need to you help me out. i need to hear from you what is obamagate? the president refers to
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obamagate and won't define it. maybe you can help me out. >> sure, i think it's the intentional interference with the peaceful transition of power, al, which is the glory of the republic that hasn't happened since 1861 with lincoln's election and the secession of states. and what the allegation of what people use shorthand for is did leaders at the top of the fbi with or without the assistance of senior white house officials and others in the intelligence community attempt to destroy president trump and plant time bombs in his presidency. and the unmasking that came out would lead me to believe that, in fact, some people did do that. >> with the direction of president obama? >> that is unclear, although the january 5 meeting is going to be a subject of great interest when john durham, the u.s. attorney is -- >> he called it obamagate. you'd have to have president
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obama involved. >> well, you've got president obama in the oval office with sally yates and james comey on january the 5th. and sally yates, exhibit 4, her statement to the special counsel's office, is what is the most alarming to people who think that people at the very top level of the obama administration attempted to interfere with the peaceful transition of power. >> and let me ask you zerlina. interfering with the transition of power is being concerned that michael flynn may have been talking to russians who said himself and pled in court that he was in fact misleading when he told the fbi what he told them about his conversations with the russians. >> there's no conspiracy if the allegations are true. michael flynn admitted that he did what is alleged. obamagate is essentially a new
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birtherism. it's essentially short man for trying to be opposed to barack obama on every single front because he is a black president. i think this plays into the part of trump's base that does harbor discriminatory feelings towards black and brown people, and that is shown through his policy and their support of that policy. and so obama gate is just another distraction, it's just another birtherism, rev and it's completely unacceptable in a moment when we should be focused on the pandemic and the dead americans, in a moment when trump is incompetently handling that pandemic. >> now, mr. trump started his 2016 campaign as one of the faces of birtherism. so are you feeling, early. >> -- zerlina that he's hoping
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to use president obama and the inference of race to try and get his campaign to, in many ways, in cite this kind of us against them and forget that we're in the middle of a pandemic that he himself blundered the beginning of, the middle of january to the end and should have managed a lot differently? >> that's absolutely right, rev. essentially what i hear when i hear trump or anyone else articulate that there is something called obamagate, i hear them saying he's black. you should pay attention to the fact that you didn't like that we had a black president. the idea that trump's base is upset about some circuitous path, the average citizen is not
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concerned with the unmasking of flynn, who did what is alleged. there is no conspiracy there. what is a problem in this particular moment is we are two months into quarantine, the administration has done basically nothing to enshoo you are -- ensure that we have the number of tests we need, the number of precautions in place so that people can start to reopen parts of the economy. again, my co-host puts it this way. we aren't talking about reopening the economy, rev. people are protesting for the right to be served by workers. and those people are the priority. we need to make sure they are safe before anybody thinks about going to get a hair cut. >> now, you talking about the reopening the economy and talking about people safe, do you believe, as the president said, that we can have a vaccine by the end of the year?
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>> no, we can't have a vaccine by the end of the year. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry, rev. >> i hope we get one, al. >> i didn't ask you what you hope. i hope that i walk out of here and somebody will hand me a big -- a lot of resources that will last generations. i'm asking you do you believe given what scientists are saying that it is feasible, possible, within the realm of reality that we can have a vaccine to deal with coronavirus by the end of the year, which the president said can happen? >> it is most certainly possible. i do not believe it is likely. i do believe it is certain we ought to try for it, as soon as you ought to be upset about with the peaceful transition of power because if joe biden -- >> how is the -- >> i hope no republican acts towards hill as joe biden and
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the associated press did against prul. >> y president trump. >> when you referred to this whole thing about michael flynn, that had nothing to do with whether there was a peaceful transition of power. michael flynn said he did what he did. michael flynn said it, not al sharpton. >> it's going to be a shock to the msnbc audience, al, that a lot of democrats do care about the rule of law. >> i'm one of them. and part of the rule of law is if you plead guilty, we must assume you are guilty. you said you are guilty. >> you are the original justice activist. due process matters. if exculpatory was withheld from general flynn -- >> he didn't need exculpatory
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evidence to see i did what i did -- >> if it was withheld with him, would you not agree that he must have that plea withdrawn? >> no. i think if anyone had exculpatory evidence on anyone that was not put in, that would not mean that someone would therefore say that i committed a felony that i did not commit. that's my answer to that. thank you. i got to leave it there. we're out of time. we will certainly pick this up. thank you both for being with us. coming up, much of the national discussion and dialogue has focused on the country's struggle against the coronavirus pandemic. but here on "politics nation," we aren't letting our guard down on other matters, including the recent police shooting of 26-year-old first responder breanna taylor. after the break, my conversation with taylor's mother, tamika
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palmer and the taylor family's attorney. first, my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. >> thanks, rev. there are more than now 1,470,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus across the united states. of that number, more than 89,000 people have died. on capitol hill the house passed a $3 trillion covid-19 relief package. it includes another round of stimulus payments for americans, but it's not likely to become law. president trump this week called the bill dead on arrival. >> this weekend nascar returns to the tracks after a ten-week hiatus. it is the first major u.s. sport to restart its season during the pandemic. the first race will take place sunday in south carolina, but there will be no fans in the stands. >> italy today announced plans to ease travel restrictions that have been in place since early
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the last two weeks have confirmed what many black americans were expecting, that despite all the publicized goodwill of the last two months, we'd be back to hearing about the business as usual of some police and judicial misconduct. this week it was the tragic death of 26-year-old breanna taylor that reminded us. taylor, a first responder, was shot and killed in early march when louisville, kentucky police initiated a no-knock late-night drug raid at her home, despite it being the wrong home. officers shot taylor eight times after her boyfriend, kenneth walker, allegedly fearing that the couple was being robbed
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opened fire with his own legal firearm. he now faces assault and attempted murder charges while the three officers involved have been reassigned pending investigation. in the last 48 hours, both the mayor and police chief of louisville have called on federal investigators to get involved. the state attorney general asked to serve as a special prosecutor. joining me is breanna's mother and the. live's lawy family's lawyer, civil rights attorney general benjamin crukr. give us a feel of what your daughter was like. >> first, i want to see the use of no-knock warrants and the use
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of body armor because it was uncalled for and breanna should still be here. she was amazing. breanna loved like, she loved to help people. breonna was a very sweet person and she went out of her way for anybody. >> attorney krump, when you hear the mother saying the no-knock law and the body cameras on police, we also were told that mr. taylor, who was arrested and charged for attempted murder and assault was shooting because he thought it was a burglary. we're told he'd called police. have you called for the release of the 911 tape which has not been released, am i correct? >> you're correct, reverend al.
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we discussed the danger of these no-knock warrants that i believe are unconstitutional and disproportionately executed on african-americans. that's one point. but, reverend al, when you talk about kenneth walker, who was trying to protect his castle, trying to protect breonna, his woman, in their home from what they thought was a home invasion -- >> because let me stop you there. he has said they never identified themselves as police. all he heard was people banging, coming in the door. so he thought these were burglars. is that the statement he made? >> absolutely. and, reverend al, they were in plain clothes. imagine you're at 1 a.m., sleeping in your bed at night and then all of a sudden you hear something at the door and, boom, he gets his gun that he's registered and licensed to have, he has committed to crime ever in his history and he's trying to defend himself and his woman.
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je juxtapose that with the case in georgia. those officers were allowed to go home and sleep in their beds in peace. but this young man who did the same thing is arrested, put in jail and facing life in prison on an attempted murder charge. that is self-defense in black and white and vivid color. >> and he had a registered weapon. i'm sure the nra has reached out to you to support kenneth walker, is that right? >> we're still waiting for that call, reverend al. it's as if the second amendment does not apply to
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african-americans. >> miss palmer, the fact that everyone that i have talked to and i have board members of national action network in louisville, your daughter had an impeccable reputation. and not only was she killed in this situation that i know is painful for you and only the love of a mother would make you even go through these kind of interviews, but i understand they ran you around that night, sending you to the hospital and back and forward. explain how you were told about her death and what you went through just on the evening that your daughter was killed. or i should say morning before day. >> i actually was never told that she was killed, but i got a call from kenneth in the middle of the -- after 12 and he said
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somebody was trying to get in here and i think they shot breonna. i can hear him screaming and yelling and saying breonna's name. of course i was in the bed. somehow i dropped the phone. we got disconnected. i started calling kenny back. he wouldn't answer. so immediately i started to call breonna's phone and she's not answering so i knew i needed to get up and get to her house. so when i got there, the street was covered in police. there was an officer at the end of the road and got out of the car and i told her i needed to get through this, something was going on at my daughter's home. she told me that i needed to get to the hospital, that there were two ambulance, one took the officer and the other took the other person who was hurt. so i immediately rushed off to
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the hospital. when i get there, the lady -- i explained why i'm there and so she said, well, give me a second, let me see what's going on. she came back and she said, well, ma'am, she's not here yet. i said i'll wait because she must be still en route. i waited almost two hours. and so she comes back and she says, ma'am, there's no recollection of this person even being on the way. we don't have a call of this person coming here. are you sure she's coming here? i said that's what they told me. but at that time i knew i needed to get back to breonna's house because where's my child? so i go back and then by then the road is a little more clear. can you get through better. so i get up to the apartment complex and i tell the officer there that i needed to get in, i
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needed to see my daughter to see what was going on. he told me to hang tight, that somebody will come over and talk to me. and when the guy came to talk to me -- i'm sorry -- he asked me did i know anybody who would want to hurt breonna or kenny? absolutely not. no. so he kind of -- i asked where is kenny? he said, well, we're talking with kenny, give me a minute. it probably was an hour later when he came back and asked me did breonna and kenny have any problems? and i said absolutely not. kenny would never do anything to breonna. so i said then you need to tell me where kenny is. i need to talk to kenny. he said, well, ma'am, kenny's at one of our offices trying to help us piece together what happened here tonight. so he said give him a little bit
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and that they would come back and talk to me. so of course there was hours and hours in between this and it was probably 11:00 the next day when he came back out and, you know, he just kind of said they were about done wrapping up and, you know, that they were almost finished where they will be getting out of there. so it was then i asked again, well, where is breonna, i've been asking where is breonna. he said, well, ma'am, she's in the house. and then i knew -- i knew then what that meant. >> she was in the house all the time that they had you going back and forth. you know attorney krump, as we hear the pain of this mother and the back and forward and the coming, we're told the person that they allegedly were looking for was in custody at the time they came. they had the wrong address and the wrong person and the person was in custody.
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do you have any faith in the state attorney general saying he would be a special prosecutor here and what do you think of the mayor and police chief calling for the feds to come in? >> we are very concerned. we don't have much faith in the feds. we don't know about this attorney general because the information that they used to get this no-knock warrant was false information. the u.s. postal inspector said they never verified anything with his office. reverend al, when you think about how they shot these bullets into that apartment from everywhere, there were over 20 rounds and they went into the neighbor's apartment, a 5-year-old little girl was sleeping and a bullet went in her room and tragically breonna's body was mutilated with bullets while she was in her underwear. and this innocent, never been in any trouble, only wanted to help
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people. her mother was more concerned with her being in the e.r. putting on her gloves and protective gear so she wouldn't contract the coronavirus, never thinking that she would lose her daughter to the police that were in the sanctity of her own home and then they would give her the run around, reverend al. that's why we need people like you and everybody to help tamika palmer so louisville's mayor will know that this mother and her little sister are not alone in demanding justice for breonna taylor. black women's lives matter, too. >> absolutely. i can tell you, miss palmer, we will stand to get to what happened in this case, stand for justice and we will be seeing you very soon, as soon as travel is available because we just want the truth to come out. and certainly this is a case that we'll be following up.
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tamika palmer and attorney general benjamin crump, thank you very. the coronavirus has been devastating. i'll be joined by kenneth woods, president and ceo of harlem's famous sylvia's restaurant for a look at how those in the pandemic are coping. that's ahead. pandemic are coping. that's ahead your mission:
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former president barack obama and former first lady michelle will each be delivering separate commencement addresses. and on "politics nation" tomorrow at 5 p.m. eastern, i'll be sitting down with one of the nation's most influential black business leaders who also happens to be an nba legend, my consideration with earvietnn ma johnson, will be announcing their plan to deal with businesses during the pandemic virus. small businesses are operating with even less margin of error. things are especially dire for restaurants and hotel s where 8%
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of businesses report large effects, forced to operate at a reduced capacity. joining me is the ceo of the world famous sylvia's restaurants in harlem, new york. ken, before we make an announcement about something, tell us how the pandemic has affected sylvia's restaurant and fell fellow restauranteurs that have been the epicenter until this epidemic. >> it has been a major challenge for this restaurant and all of the businesses here in harlem. when the country bleeds, harlem hemorrhages. so we are very challenged but we are staying strong and keeping our faith. >> now, the employees and all,
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people don't know when they can come back to work. so this is something that is a struggle. you are a well-established, legendary restaurant, but other restaurants and others that service people in harlem and around the city of new york and around the country, some of them can't even make it as you would because they don't have the reputation you do. many will not get back, which is why the stimulus is so important. >> yes. that's a fact. you know, whoever survives this is going to be -- is going to be by a lot of prayer and trying to stay, you know, stay the course. but many will not return. we have an uncertain future. but, as i said, our faith is built on, you know, god, that he will bring us through.
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for more than six decade, s ande have weathered many storms and we have faith we will weather many more. >> i'm come to that restaurant. i brought with me president obama, who was then running for president. i remember that night he and i ate at sylvia's. kamala harris and mayor pete buttigieg came there. but tomorrow i'm doing something else. sylvia's is opening at noon to give out food, prepackaged food in a partnership with national action network and care and the
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glen hutchins foundation to give free food. you called me and said we want to give away something. we usually do sunday brunch, we want to turn it into sunday giveaway. why was that important to you? >> it's always been important for us because we're such a part of this community, and of course i had to reach out to you. our tradition is giving. you know, my mother and father, the business was based on giving to this community. she always said that, you know, i am harlem, they just call me sylvia. so when harlem hurts, we're all hurt. i want to take this time to thank national action network for coming in and giving us this opportunity to share and really give back to the community. >> we'll be there tomorrow at 12 noon. thank you for being sylvia's
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that black communities have historically had to deal with in this country. we see it in the disproportionate inequalties. just like when a black mango goes for a job. >> president obama weighed in on the coronavirus impact people of color experience as well as talked about the or referred to the aubrey case. that is why many of us, including me, committed our lives to dealing with that inequality. that's why this show has committed to bring it up, put it out. not to condemn the country, but to say these are the challenges that we must face and make better and make right. and we're committed to that. that's why tomorrow we're going
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to have on a woman whose son was killed by new york city police 21 years ago and is now a netflix show. she's going to discuss. but it is also why we will have magic johnson on and rafael martinez to talk about solutions, how they're putting up something to help solve some of the problems of inequality during this pandemic. we cannot correct and heal situations in denying them. denial is not the answer. facing them, accepting them and then trying to make them right is the answer. and that's what this show is about, and that's what many of us are about. and that's what the nation should be about. we should be able to expect to give an even playing field to everyone, whether it is in a health crisis or criminal justice, whether it is any part of this american life as we know
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it. and until we do, we're going to have to keep discussing it, keep exposing it and keep dealing with it. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 eastern. up next my colleague takes up our news coverage. wayfair has way more ways to renovate your home, from inspiration to installation. like way more vanities perfect for you. nice. way more unique fixtures and tiles. pairing. ♪ nice. way more top brands in sinks and faucets. way more ways to rule your renovation. nice! on any budget, with free shipping. wayfair. way more than furniture.
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good evening. we begin with some new sound tonight from barack obama. and for the second week in a row, we're hearing his real opinion of president trump's handling of the coronavirus crisis. the former president taking time during an address to african-american college graduates this afternoon to say this. >> more than anything, this pandemic has fully finally torn back the curtain on the idea that so many of the folks in charge know what they're doing. a lot of them aren't even pretending to be in charge. if the world is going to get better, it is going to be up to you. >> this comes a week after leaked audio found obama labeling the coronavirus response a chaka chaotic disast. the president claiming this week we could have a vaccine ready to be delivered at the end of the year as part of something he calls operation warp speed. now, the fastest the medical
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