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good evening. we begin with some new sound tonight from barack obama. and for the second week in a row, we're hearing his real opinion of president trump's handling of the coronavirus crisis. the former president taking time during an address to african-american college graduates this afternoon to say this. >> more than anything, this pandemic has fully finally torn back the curtain on the idea that so many of the folks in charge know what they're doing. a lot of them aren't even pretending to be in charge. if the world is going to get better, it is going to be up to you. >> this comes a week after leaked audio found obama labeling the coronavirus response a chaka chaotic disast. the president claiming this week we could have a vaccine ready to be delivered at the end of the year as part of something he calls operation warp speed. now, the fastest the medical community has ever developed a
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vaccine was for the mumps. that took four years. trump's statement contradicts what medical experts say, that this virus isn't just going to go away and we need a vaccine that can't be rushed. >> there has never been a vaccine project anywhere in history like this, and i just want to make something clear. it's very important. vaccine or vaccine, we're back and we're starting the process. >> my concern is if we rush too quickly and consider cutting out critical steps, we may not have a full assessment of the safety of that vaccine. so it's still going to take some time. i still think 12 to 18 months is an aggressive schedule, and i think it's going to take longer than that to do so. >> the development of this potential covid vaccine cannot be waived off as a bipartisan
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squabble. without preparation for the quality assurance of diagnostic drugs, tests and vaccines, the world risks a parallel pandemic of substandard and falsified products. interventions are needed. let's bring in our panel. a consultant for the coalition for epidemic preparedness initiatives and former assistant secretary at hhs and dr. roy is an internal medicine physician and nbc news medical contributor. you wrote that there are things that can be done at what you call pandemic speed in the development of vaccines. there is a limit to what can be done, but we can do some things concurrently as opposed to consecutively. >> right. well, just to let it sit here,
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it typically takes between 9 and 15 starts to get to the end where you have a safe and effective vaccine. so already this is very ambitio ambitious. and it typically takes many, many years. vaccine developers do things one step at a time. they stop and then do another. what we're trying to do globally is to do a number of things in parallel, whether it's human testing in parallel with animal testing. whether it's starting a phase two before you have the results of a phase one. or most importantly, it's starting to manufacture vaccines before you even know that they work. that's probably the biggest innovation here. it is incredibly ambitious and expensive. but if we want to have a vaccine ready by the time we decide it's safe and effective, that's what we need to do. >> i want to put that back up. >> yeah. >> put that chart back up on the screen because those are the various components of developing a vaccine. and dr. roy, what you can see
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there is the longest two parts of this by a long shot are the clinical trials. phase one, two and three, human clinical trials and then the manufacturer of the vaccine. there are other parts of it that either are accelerated or because people have been studying some version of coronavirus for four decades we may be able to get some things done. but in the end, if you are taking a vaccine that you are going to put into hundreds of millions of people's arms, you have to make sure they're safe because we have had instances in the past in which vaccines have caused more damage than good, and that actually gives a lot of oxygen to this antivax movie with. >> yeah. you're absolutely right. the earliest, the quickest we have ever been able to sldelivea vaccine into a human being has been four to five years, so we need to be really careful. you are right that the rate
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limiting step is the part that tests on human beings, the clinical trials or the phases one, two and three where we're first testing safety in a small group of volunteers. phase two, which is looking at a larger group based on age and the physical health of the intended population. and then phase three is a much, much larger group. but, yeah, you are absolutely right. we have to test for side effects and various clinical manifestations of the disease, and that takes years. >> and doctor let's talk about the phase three part. we're talking about tens to hundreds of thousands of participants who have not got antibodies to a vaccine, who would reasonably be exposed to it because we have to test that they didn't get it versus people getting a placebo. again, there is a certain amount of time. i just want to be very, very clear. i'm on donald trump's side on this one. i would like it to be sooner rather than later, but you cannot wish it to be so.
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>> as doctors and public health professionals, we're all in support of something happening as expeditiously as possible, too. a lot of this is happening concurrently, which is great, which may actually expedite the process. but that said, you cannot sacrifice ultimately patient safety, especially when you are going to mass produce and mass distribute something to potentially hundreds of millions of people. >> go ahead. >> yeah. >> go ahead. sorry. >> you have to remember that vaccines are given to healthy people. they're not given to sick people. so you have to be very, very sure that they're safe. there are probably some ways to accelerate things. we think that maybe there could be a couple hundred thousand or a couple million doses maybe made as a byproduct of this development for trials, and we think that you can ramp up manufacturing while you are doing the trials. but i also want to point out for just a moment that for most of
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the companies that are making these vaccines, they have never had any experience scaling these up. so this is all very, very new. in my own experience, stuff always goes wrong. >> that's what a lot of people told us. those time lines we put up on the screen include the fact that stuff goes wrong. there is false starts. you are in the middle of a test and people are having adverse reactions so you have to start again. bringing together researchers and making sure they all have the resources they need, helping to get the participants and the tests ready. but again i point out the longest line in there is the manufacturer. why is drug manufacturer harder once you have a virus than manufacturing gloves or anything like that? >> well, the manufacturing process is incredibly complicated. you have to grow the virus. you have to get it to express a certain protein. some of it is dependent on
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growth or fermentation. you have to have absolutely sterile, con ttaminant free processes as you move along the way. when you move from one place to another in this process, you have to have all the conditions, temperature, humidity, everything else right. the experience when you do all this is that stuff goes wrong. it is just a very complicated sequential process. as dr. roy pointed out, the other thing we cannot cut corners on is safety, and i just really want to stress that with your audience. >> yeah. because we are actually looking for a vaccine that everybody wants or almost everybody wants and will line up to get in a big hurry, so we've got to figure that out. i want to be really clear. i think the three of us are probably exactly on the same page. we don't say it all that often. but i'm on -- i want donald trump to be right. i also want my viewers to understand that it is likely not possible that we will have a vaccine for distribution by the end of 2020, if that were to
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happen, that would be a miracle. i would be very pleased if that were to happen, but it is not likely. thank you to both of you. thank you. now to another late night firing of a government watchdog by president trump and more evidence that even during a pandemic the president continues to disregard normal white house conduct. the president informed congress late friday night that state department inspector general steve would be removed from his post with no specific reason other than he, quote, no longer has the fullest confidence of the president. he will be released by ambassador steven akard, who has very close ties to vice president mike pence. he is the fourth independent watchdog let go by president trump in the last six weeks, the fourth. most are obama administration appointees, except for one, michael atkinson. elliot angle and ranking member
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of the senate foreign relations committee, both democrats, announced earlier today they would launch a probe into linick's removal which they said is an act of retaliation. he learned he begun an investigation of secretary of state mike pompeo before his firing. this comes a little more than a week after another move by the trump administration that denied white house norms. the direction to federal prosecutors by attorney general bill barr to abandon their prosecution of michael flynn. the move drew intense criticism and led to nearly 2,000 former justice department and fbi officials penning a letter calling for barr to resign. joining me now former assistant director of the fbi's counter intelligence division and an nbc news national security analyst who signed that letter
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calling -- criticizing bill barr. thanks to both of you. let's start with this inspector general. i have to say, i think it's fair to say, most americans, most of our viewers never knew the name of any inspector general but for this administration. but now we have seen several of them removed from their jobs by the president generally speaking without any clear reason except this generalized lost faith in. what's the consequence of losing these inspectors general? >> well, any time there is a firing close to midnight on a friday night, it raises a lot of questions. we don't have a lot of answers yet, so 20 hours later, here is what we do know about the state department inspector general. according to a democratic aid, we are told that the inspector general was looking into secretary of state mike pompeo, telling a political appointee to run personal errands for him and
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his wife. the administration says that secretary mike pompeo requested that linick be fired and the president agreed. it looks like a retaliation firing, but we don't have the answers yet. that's why democrats are wanting to open an investigation. we heard from the top democrat on the senate foreign relations committee and the top democrat on the house relations committee, they say they have written letters to the state department inspector general's office asking them to preserve all of the documents relating to this case. and, so, there is still a lot of questions and what the administration is saying is that they just lost confidence. >> frank, let's talk about the inspectors general. again, these are topics we don't talk about in normal times. lots of people point to the government as political appointees. that's entirely fine.
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but the roll of an inspector general is to expose waste, fraud and abuse. president trump ran on a platform of draining the swamp. in theory, if you were draining the swamp, the inspectors general would be your best friends in this effort, right, because they would be finding all the swampy behavior around there. hhs has been removed. the department of defense has been removed. and now the state department. what do you make of this? >> if he's draining the swamp, he's replacing it with falsehoods. he's draining the people that actually spend their careers getting to and exposing the truth, the waste, fraud and abuse. if you look quickly around the four inspector generals that have now been removed, you have to wonder what is it in each of their agencies that is going to be suppressed because of their removal between now and the election. if you look at the most recent
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one, at state department we have just heard it is reported that this ig opened a case against the secretary of state and his wife for using government resources for personal benefit. but even more, what's going on at state department? we have the secretary of state saying that he has enormous evidence that china is responsible for the coronavirus and that it came out of the wuhan lab. well, what's going to be suppressed now that this ig has been removed about the so-called evidence in the wuhan lab. look at the department of defense ig who is going to oversee the expenditure of stimulus money for the coronavirus and who is getting it and who is not getting it. he's been removed. look at the intelligence community ig and all of the potential allegations that the white house was told and briefed about the coronavirus earlier and earlier and now will those -- will those assertions be suppressed between now and the election. this is an attempt to tamp down the truth, and the president
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views the truth as a threat. >> frank, here's the thing. whether you call it an ombudsman or in the case of the government the inspector general, it is a hard job. that is by definition a job in which you are looking around at the people around you and making sure they're following the rules. i'm sure there are a lot of people in a building or in a department who don't like getting a call from an inspector general. everything they do is in the pursuit of finding something wrong. it is kind of like going to the dentist, right? they're just looking for the cavities in my case. how do we deal with the fact the president does not seem to understand that that is a crucial job? that is part of the checks and balances. that is part of the idea that our nation's institutions run properly. in the world of trading, we have compliance officers. there have to be people who are there to hear the whistleblowers and to investigate the complaints. >> i think he fails to
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. as the casualties of this pandemic dominated the headlines, we're learning more about the casualties of a different kind of american tragedy. the louisville police department announced three officers involved in breanna taylor's death are on reassignment. she was killed back in march. it happened in her home when police entered on a no knock warrant overnight. according to a lawsuit filed by her family. louisville police shot her eight times after entering the apartment without announcing themselves. the warrant was based on misinformation. her boyfriend kenneth walker, a licensed gun owner, shot one of the officers whom he thought were intruders. he's being charged with attempted murder. her mother spoke to my colleague, the reverend al sharp
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ton in the last hour. >> they were about done, wrapping up and, you know, that they were almost finished where they would be getting out of there. so it was then i asked again, well, where is breanna? and he said, well, ma'am, she's in the house. and that -- i knew then what that meant. >> protests and vigils continue for ahmed aurbery. the caravan left from georgia where the 25-year-old was shot and killed while his family says he was jogging through the neighborhood. gregory mcmichael and his son travis mchimichael say they thought he was connected to a string of robberies in the area. they were arrested and charged in early may with murder and aggravated assault after a video of their deadly february confrontation went viral. police have had that video since
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february. nbc news now confirming gregory mcmichael himself leaked the video first to the attorney allen tucker who originally claimed responsibility for making the video public. local atlanta affiliates saying it was an effort to clear up rumors circulating in the community, and he had no idea the video would spark global outrage. joining me now, the professor at columbia law school and ucla law executive director and host of the webinar under the black light, the intersectional failures that covid lays bare. thank you for joining me. i want to start with the video of the arbery video where travis himself gave that video over to a lawyer because he thought it would clear things up and he had no idea that it would go viral. so a video of these two guys in a pickup truck going after this guy, stopping him and shooting
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him. he actually thought that might clear his name. >> you know, it just reinforces the fact that our history and our contemporary moment seems to give people the license to think that they can take life. the very fact that he looks in that video and sees exculpatory evidence in the face of what most of us see as a lynching in broad daylight just underscores how distinct the world views are between those of us who live in a history where our lives used to be taken on a whim and those who live in the history where they're used to being able to exact dominion over people of color. the fact that we have this lynching that's happened and we have it on videotape and we also have a killing that the police have done of an innocent person
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in their own home and neither of these stories really seem to garner much attention until the video was leaked or until a lawsuit was brought just goes to show that we really have to wonder whether that thing that the supreme court said many years ago, that black people had no rights that white people are bound to respect, is that history or is that now? >> yeah. i guess your point about video is valid because as you and i have discussed, african-american activists used to say that black people get killed often for doing nothing. if it's not nothing, it's without the law being applied to them. a lot of reasonable people would say, come on. that can't be true. and then suddenly we had video and we have video after video after video of this sort of thing. when you are talking about breanna taylor, the police came
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in ununiformed in the middle of the night not looking for either her or her boyfriend in the apartment. the boyfriend a licensed gun owner shoots thinking there are intruders in the apartment and he has been charged with attempted murder and breanna taylor is dead. >> where is the nra in this moment, right? when we actually start looking at all of the ways that black women lose their lives from police violence, often it is just like this. it happens in their home. it happens when they're with their children. it happens when they're with their loved ones. it happens when police say their lives are at risk. it happens when police say it was the look on their face because of police coming into their homes. black women, like black men also lose their lives. they are shot within their own homes.
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they're shot when they're calling for help. we don't seem to know about it. so the hope at this moment is that the mother doesn't experience the complete wiping out of the history that this is happening that so many other mothers have also experienced. the thing happens and then our society forgets that it happens. >> i just want to repeat something you just said. you said say her name. >> yes. >> that's a hashtag that is a campaign. that is a movement to understand that we can't forget this. it can't just go by. it can't be a story that is so common that we don't even believe that it's a headline. >> absolutely. and, you know, i have to give all credit to some of the mothers of #sayhername. fran garrett whose daughter was killed within a week of mike brown but no one knew anything about it. in her way, she said somebody is going to recognize that my daughter was killed.
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so she took her daughter's coffin to the phoenix city hall. that was a bold action that made many people wake up to the fact as activists have been saying all along, black women are also killed by the police. >> kimberly, there is much work to be done, and you are doing much of it. thank you for doing so. professor at columbia law school and ucla law. she's the executive director of the african-american policy forum. remember, say her name. what is the true value of a college education? is it the learned professors imparting knowledge, or is it something more that requires a community of students living and spending their days and sometimes their nights on campus. questions a lot of students are struggling right now as decisions are being made about what to do in the fall. i'll speak to the president of the university of arizona after the break. introducing ore-ida potato pay. where ore-ida golden crinkles are your crispy currency to pay for bites of this... ...with this.
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inches towards an anticlimatic end, questions about making schools safe in the fall are starting to emerge while others wonder if their schools will open at all. california state university announced this week that most fall term classes will be online, having an impact on close to half a million students, while a growing number of campuses across ohio, oklahoma and wisconsin plan to hold in person classes for the fall semester. at the university of oarizona, the college will use a reopening guide centered around testing, tracing and treating. joining me to discuss that frame work is the university of arizona president, dr. robert robbins. sir, thank you for being with us. can you walk me through how you are going to manage to bring students back and test, trace and treat and conduct classes? >> yes. thank you for inviting me on to your program this afternoon.
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so we made a decision to bring our students, faculty and staff back to campus. but we're doing it very cautiously. we're essentially setting up an incident command center to go through methodically and meticulously to put this system of frequent testing, contact tracing and treating our infected students, faculty and staff in a very aggressive way. so i think that the message would be, although we cannot make this risk free, we're going to try to derisk and mitigate as many of the risks to protect our faculty, staff and students to make it as safe as we possibly can. >> let's talk a little about social distancing. how do you achieve that? will classes look different? will living situations for
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students look different? >> yeah, absolutely. we'll have to social distance in all the activities of the campus. it will look totally different than when we decided to suspend in class -- in person classes back during spring break in march. so when students come back in the fall, they will be socially distanced in both the dormitories, the public spaces like our student union and certainly in the classroom. >> let's talk about their social lives. there are things you can regulate for students, including their living situation and what happens in the classroom. but so much of attending a university and your university is noted for a strong student life, is the stuff that students do on their own, in their own time, either in their dorms or in social settings or in bars and restaurants. how do you manage that?
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>> i don't think you can manage it. as you remember when you were in college. we know this is going to be one of the biggest risks to bringing students back. but i think we've got to -- this plan will never succeed unless we have a high degree of student engagement, taking responsibility for their own health, for their peers' health, their friends and our faculty and staff. so the focus will be on trying to educate them, get them engaged with this program. but also to identify the very vulnerable high risk population and try to encourage them not to come pack to campus. those would be individuals following cdc and who guidelines that are over a certain age and have comorbidities like being treated for cancer or
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cardiovascular disease or being immuno suppressed. we don't want them to come back. >> we will keep track of this along with you. we hope you will come back to tell us how it unfolds as we get closer to the beginning of school. thank you for joining us thisvenning. >> thank you. join us tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. you will love this. graduate together. america honors the high school class of 2020. former president barack obama gives the keynote speech in a virtual commencement. joy reed will preview the speech at 7:00 p.m. a video president trump has been retweeting with glee shows supporters confronting a reporter trying to do his job and cover the coronavirus crisis. what that video says about the president and his efforts to divide next. you are watching msnbc. gh prote. low sugar. tastes great! high protein. low sugar. so good. high protein.
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in the united states but president trump's focus seems to be elsewhere. listen to this. >> what crime exactly are you accusing president obama of committing and do you believe the justice department should prosecute him? >> obamagate. it's been going on for a long time. it's been going on before i got elected. >> what is the crime exactly? >> you know what the crime is. the crime is very obvious to every body. >> the one in which president trump is familiar and has appeared to have grown since the onset of the coronavirus crisis. if recent tweets suggest the president is openly enjoying his harassment of reporters as gleefully as he did when he retweeted this particular video. >> you stopped airing the trump briefings and you aired the cuomo briefings. go home. >> you are the enemy of the
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people! >> you all know it. you are fake news. >> joining us to discuss is my friend ben collins. ben, let me start with the other one first. there are people who rightfully say and tweet to me saying, don't even say the obamagate thing because you are just giving fuel to a nonsensical conspiracy theory. you and i talk about this a lot. i'm of the view that you have to say it because these things take on a life of their own and then people, if you don't know that it's out there and you don't have the ability to counter it as nonsensical as it is, people take action on these things. they believe there is a thing called obamagate. it is a conspiracy theory. there is actually nothing there. there is no obamagate. it might be a gate that obama has. >> well, yeah, that's exactly right. obamagate is the same character that have been pushed in these
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spaces for the last three year, the same secret heroes, general flynn being a secret hero. all of these things are exactly that. there is no such thing as gate keepers anymore. if we don't talk about this on the news, everyone will believe it. everyone has access to facebook. we have to talk about this stuff unfortunate unfortunately. the definition of what obama gate is depends on who you are. it is what is in your heart apparently. >> yeah, apparently. here is the interesting thing. this is why these conspiracy theories worked so well on social media. we had a real reporter asking the president what the crime is, and he said obamagate. he says, what's obamagate. he says, you know what it is. so, in fact, there is this weird put it out there, you know, give that look and people can make what they will of it. if you have animosity toward barack obama in your politics or in your heart, as you say, this takes on its own life.
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and the president seems to relish in the idea that he pours fuel on this. >> yeah. what he's ran on for five years at the point, plausible deniability disguised as politics. it is just asking the question over and over again. these are rhetorical tricks that the president and people around him have used for years and years at this point. i'm not sure why he's decided to relabel this thing that, you know, people in the far right have called spy gate for years. but that's really what's happened. in the past few weeks and few months, he's made this a large part of his electoral strategy to deflect from covid-19 which in the united states is a really big problem. >> i want to talk about this video. it is a reporter from news 12, a local reporter, not a reporter known for any sort of pollicization of stories going out to report the fact that people are protesting the
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state-at-home orders. you probably appreciate the coverage. all this reporter was doing was the basics of journalism, bearing as a witness. let's watch a little of this again and i want you to tell me what you think. >> go home. >> you are the enemy of the people! you are the enemy of the people. >> you know it. you are fake news. >> you are fake news. you are the enemy of the people. and the president then retweeted fake news is not essential. >> yeah, look, what's happening here is there is a shadow campaign being run by this presidency to discredit the experts here. it's really what's happening on social media. he's amplifying these people with retweets that largely do not believe that covid-19 is spread the way people say it is or can be contained the way people say it can be contained. that's the issue here, is there
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are people on the far right and even people on the far left, but mostly the far right that believe that this is ginned up in a lab by gibill gates or 5g towers are the problem here, really nonsensical stuff. there is a large amount of people in the country that vote that believe in this stuff. he's sort of feeding them a little bit over the course of time to just say, maybe you are on to something. maybe this is what it is. and that takes the pressure off him politically along the way. we have to pay attention to these dark corners over the next few months. he keeps tieing them in a little bit. you get closer and closer and closer. that's eventually if it gets really dark, that's where his last out is going to be here. >> and that's what you do for us. you dwell in those dark corners of the internet. ben collins, good to see you, my friend. all right. are we deemed to repeat the worst lessons from the great recession in this coronavirus
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$3 trillion billion. comparisons to the last economic crash back in 2008 are inevitable, but how do they compare? u.s. employment previously at a 50-year low spiked to 14.7% last month. that's much higher than the great recession's peak of 10%. analysts at goldman sacks are forecasting those unemployment numbers to culminate at a record 25%, which would be just higher than the numbers we saw in the great depression. as we know, every recession falls the hardest on those with the least education, the fewest resources, shakiest attachment to the job market. so what have we learned from our past financial crises to emerge from this one hopeful? joining me to discuss this is the author of "crashed, how a
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decade of financial crisis changed the word." he's a professor of history at columbia university. let's just understand that stock markets fall and they tend to come back. unemployment is something we've learned to try and deal with over time. you would argue that the last recession laid bare the fact that the real intractable economic problem of our time is inequality. if you go into these recessions with money and/or credit, you come out better. if you go in without those two thin things, you come out worse. >> yes. there is an even tougher example of that. the losses are concentrated at the very bottom end of the labor market. the markets are for those without college education, in the front line of the service sector. the group which is worst affected so far are hispanic
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women, close lily followed by hispanic men and african-american workers. this is a devastated blow that's resulted in a huge surge in the ofaverage income earned because we're chopping off the bottom end of the income distribution. it's as brutal change we've ever seen in the u.s. economy. >> it's kind of amazing because in the last economic report and the next one in the beginning of june, average hourly earnings were up because so many people at the bottom end have fallen off. one of the things we struggle with when we talk about big, socioeconomic changes, how hard it is and how much it costs. we are putting more money into our financial system than we put -- we're dwarf be whing wha did during the financial crisis last time around. should a central goal of this spending and these efforts be to reduce inequality in society? >> it must be and in the very short run it's got to be focused
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on the front line in that battle and that is the funding of the states. that's where this struggle is being fought out day to day in the absolute front line in new york state. it's at the local level, regional level that the unemployment funds have got to be mobilized, where the health care spending has got to be mobilized and this is where they've chosen to mount their fight. that's why the new democratic bill from the house proposes about a trillion dollars for funding for the states because that's really where the struggle has to be fought. longer term we need to talk about the structure of medicaid, unemployment insurance, maybe even need to talk about people have contracts can the federal reserve. but the short run, the necessity is maintaining the fiscal position of the states. >> you have studied this more than most people. you've written a book on it and you teach a course on it. is it fixable? given how much work we're
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putting into it and how much thinking we're putting into this right now, can we emerge from they very bad recession we're in now and continue to be in, can we emerge with a more just society? >> it depends on the outcome of the election in the fall and how the balance of congress goes. that is the essential be all and end all of all of this. left to their own devices, the gop will mount a recovery that will generate growth and it will leave a majority of the population behind. it works for them as a political strategy. this is a political battle now. it depends on the outcome of that lebs election in the fall. >> adam, thank you for the work that you've done. thank you for the great book i've always thought was relevant but is yet more relevant. that wraps up things for this
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