offered a brief response. >> look, he was an incompetent president. that's all i can say. grossly incomptent. thank you. >> monica, this is the second time in just over a week that we've heard president obama criticize the president once in that tape of a call with supporters and then yesterday. i get the sense this is not the end of this, right? >> reporter: likely not. i think that's a fair bet and way of putting it. we have heard the president continuely tout what he calls obamagate in recent weeks which is an unfounded conspiracy theory he, he campaign and allies continues to spread. trying to raise questions about how president obama may have been involved in the origin of the russia investigation of which there's no evidence. that's important because as we pivot away from the health crisis and see the president focus on his re-election, that's something we have seen dialed

up. it was notable to see former president barack obama say those things a week ago privately to some alumni and publicly to those graduates all while taking a subtle tone in the sense he's not naming the current occupant of the white house. we're not hearing him spfkly call out president trump but it's unmistakable what he is referring to there and you saw today on the lawn when the president was asked about that, he didn't address the comments specifically. it was interesting. he said he hadn't seen them which is a little bit suspicious given this president's consumption of news and this be has been in the headlines for the better part of 24 hours. once a reporter informed him, that's when he called him grossly incompetent but didn't expand. the white house is saying the current's president handling, in their eyes, stl lellar, saved ls

and he will continue to do so. there used to be an unwritten rule you don't criticize a sitting president. this president has always been taking aim at his predecessor since before he was even president. when he was candidate trump for many years and now as the occupant in the white house he's consistently called out obama. it's also worth noting in these moments of national crisis, sometimes you do see presidents of both parties come together there, set partisanship aside. that's not exactly what we're seeing here. >> not at all. thank you. president trump has said we will have a vaccine against covid-19 this year. this morning health and human services secretary alex azar softened that a bit. >> can you be clear here, is the pledge that all 328 million americans will be able to get a shot in their arm by the end of the year? >> well, margaret, let's be clear. that's a goal.

i think the gresky's once said you fail to achieve 100% of the goals you don't set. it's not a pledge. it's a goal of what we will mobilize the entire u.s. government private sector to achieve. >> let's discuss it you heard what the president and secretary azar are saying. let's look at how long it took to create some other vaccines. chickenpox, 28 years. we have a goal of 18 months for a vaccine to stop covid-19. what would it take to deploy this vaccine within 18 months and please don't say a miracle. let's think this through. if it was possible, what would that require? >> that would require shortening of the most critical period of

what has to happen before a vaccine is released which is human testing. the reason that's important is we want to make sure that the vaccine is not only it works but we need to make sure it's safe. that just takes a very long time and lots of people submitting to these trials of a new vaccine. before we can create billions of doses and put them in the arms of human beings. i don't know how they will think they be hasten the process. the quickest vaccine was mumps and it took four years. i don't know what their game is but trying to tell the american public in some way they will fast track something without really taking care to make sure it's safe is absurd and unfortunate misrepresentation of the reality of vaccines.

>> wayne also said you should skate where the puck is offering. until that happens, we're still reopening any way. much of the country is reopening now. we're being urged follow the cdc guidelines. look at these two front page stories from the new york post and the virginia pilot. on the left you can see the crowds go while. on the right, the beach at the ocean front was closed but the crowds were large. these crowds either don't really care about the social distancing guidelines or they're just doing what people do. they're cooped up, tired of being in the house. they need to be outside. it's a lovely day and they rationalize how they can go safely.

. >> this is an important point. it's the issue of returning the economy to some sort of viable nature so people can get their jobs back, businesses can reopen. we get all of that. we're missing adding reliable on sight testing everywhere. until we can do that testing, we're really taking a chance with our lives, with our held and so on. i don't want to go do my barber if i don't know he's negative for covid. i don't think we should be taking our families to restaurants if we don't know the kitchen staff and the servers really are safe. that they don't have the

coronavirus. until then we're playing this game here and we need to take great care. >> i think that eventually we'll have to strike this median. i don't think new york's governor will get what he wants. i don't think president trump will get what he wants. it will probably be somewhere in the middle. think about the gop. its going the hold its convention in charlotte. there's been research showing that coronavirus can die faster on surfaces in warmer weather than colder weather. there's concerns about large crowds. ali velshi spoke to the mayor. >> we have a contract with the rnc to host this convention. we also have a commitment to our community that we will keep their safe and well. that's where we're focused. that will be our focus no matter what time of year it is.

>> how might this work itself out? >> it might work itself out because it will get cancelled. we'll see in south carolina and other place a resurgence of this coronavirus. i hope whoever has the contract with the convention center has a refundable deposit. otherwise we'll have some big trouble. we have to play it by the book in terms of keeping people say no matter what else happens. >> stick around. we'll see you later in the program to answer questions about coronavirus. there is more scrutiny now of president trump's late night firing of another inspector general. we are getting a slightly clearer picture of what the state department's watchdog was investigating before his removal. a white house official tells nbc news that the department ig was removed at the recommendation of the secretary of state, mike pompeo. that official says president trump agreed with the recommendation. this comes after a statement from the house foreign affairs

committee chairman. the chairman wrote he learned of an investigation into secretary of pompeo. yesterday afternoon congressman ingle and senator bob me nen dez said they are launching a probe into the removal. interviews painted contrasting pictures of firing. here is part of what beheard from nancy pow pelosi. >> the president has the right to fire any federal employee but the fact is if it looks like it's in retaliation for something the ig, the inspector general is doing, that could be unlawful. >> i don't mourn the loss of people when they leave. there's always going to be somebody more better, more loyal. not the president but to the trump agenda. that's what's important. >> let's dig into this.

ken, in a way, having just heard peter navarro's comments with fresh ears, he might be feeding into the concern. somebody better not just for the bureaucracy but for the trump administration's agenda. i think that's the core of the concern over this, right? i don't know what more we know about what the ig was investigating about secretary pompeo but what he just said, seems to feed that concern. >> i think you're right. it's part of pattern. this is the fourth inspector general that donald trump has removed during the coronavirus pandemic. two other of those igs had done things that donald trump viewed as detrimental to his agenda. what we're hearing is pretty sketchy.

the white house was quick to say this was mike pompeo's idea, not the president. this president has been impeached by house democrats. it's unclear what leverage they have to investigate and hold the president accountable. mike pom ppeo is a different story. cabinet officials have been held accountable particularly when the sunlight is thrown on them and the public learns what's happening here. i think there's more to learn about this. >> the bottom line is if you boil it all down, mike pom pap owe had the ig fired for catching the secretary doing wrong. what kind s of repercussions could come of this? >> there already is a congressional investigation

where congress asked the administration to preserve documents related to this matter. whether they do that in the wake of their resistance during impeachment matter is another question. look, in the george w. bush administration when bush fired seven u.s. attorneys in 2006, that was a massive ethic cscandl that resulted in grand jury investigations. this is equally serious. the question is, after the russia investigation and impeachment and in the middle of a global pandemic where the trump administration is on the hot seat, the question is whether there's enough oxygen to give this story the attention it deserves and whether there will be someone in authority who will investigate this. whether it's congress or u.s. attorney or some other entity. >> ken, thanks very much. we are just getting star rted this hour. up next, demanding justice in two racially charged killings. we'll get the latest on the

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a building exploded enveloping several blocks of downtown l.a. in spomoke. the blaze was big enough for firefighters to make a mayday distress call. the blast injured 11 firefighters. at last check, three of them were in critical condition. a newly released text message could shed more light on the killing of ahmaud arbury. his family says he was killed out for a jog. >> reporter: new questions about the death of ahmaud and the police department that investigating it. through his attorney, the man who owns the home says back in december a glen county police officer urged him to contact his neighbor gregory mcmichael if he had any concerns about anyone on the property. the text message reads greg is

retired law enforcement. call him day or night when you get action on your camera. >> fit's so suburb indisturbing. it's a communication from the law enforcement. >> reporter: we could not reach the police department for comment. >> that was blaine alexander reporting. joining us is paul butler. the author of "chokehold, policing black men." could that change the context of the case? >> it puts the focus on this police department for their dereliction of duty. we have a situation in which police officer instructed the homeowner to call a civilian if he saw something go down at the home. the cop does not have the authority to deputize his power to a private citizen.

this is essentially the police department setting up a private posse which we know want to hunt down and kill mr. arbury. this suggests the need for federal investigation of this police department by the united states department of justice. >> i think this should go without saying but this is very different than like a neighborhood watch where an officer says, if you see signs of the string of crimes might be happening again, call us and we will show up. this is not that, right? >> it's not that at all because what people who participate in neighborhood watches are told is you are not law enforcement officers and you should not put yourself or anyone else in a position of danger. if you see anything that you think is suspicious, call the police because they are the trained professionals. >> yesterday, a caravan of protesters called for the resignation of district

attorneys who were involved in this case. what do you think of the initial handling of this case? does it merit their resignations? >> it should not have taken ten weeks for charges to be brought. the easiest way to think about this situation is to reverse the roles. imagine two african-american men had hunted down and killed a white jogger who hadn't done anything wrong. there would have been charges filed on day one. the fact it takes a video tape, an extended social media campaign and a large protest to get charges in which an african-american man is the victim demonstrates we still have two systems of justice in this country, to systems that are separate and unequal. >> we don't want to let you go without talking about the death of brianna taylor.

they surve eserved a no-new yor warrant. they thought the officer were intrudesers. walker shot at them and is charged with attempted murder. her mother spoke with joy reid and called for an end to those kinds of warrants. >> i want to see the ban of no-knock warrants and the use of body cams in situations like there because it was uncaused for and briana should still be here. she loved life. she loved to help people. she loved family. she just was a very sweet person and she went out of her way for anybody. >> paul, no-knock warrants are controversial. we have heard of them in variety of cases. michael cohen was the subject of a no-knock warrant. what do you think of these no-knock warrants?

>> the supreme court said the police should knock and announce their presence. they have to do this because when they don't, it's a very chaotic situation. what you see is people who are in plain clothes barging into a house often in the middle of the night. it's risky and dangerous for the police and for civilians. there's an exception to that knock and niens requirement if the police think that announcing first will put them in danger. they can get one of these no-knock warrants. the problem is, again, when you don't know it's the police, you create this situation where now we have 60,000 no-knock warrants issued every year and it's not unusual for there to be chaos and violence and hundreds of people have died over the years. maybe if there's a violent felon who posed a serious risk to the

police, no-knock warrants are justified. they are not justified in a case like this in which the police were looking for drugs and josh joshua, the reality is 60% of the time, most of the time the police execute these dangerous no-knock warrants, they don't find any evidence at all. in the police have knocked and announced in this case, she would still be alive. >> it's one of those thorny issues. i totally understand. we know how those investigations have born fruit. a subject for another day. thank you. >> president trump complained about paul manafort. let's suh what he says about this. two notable deaths we wanted to report today. first comic actor fred willard died peacefully in his sleep.

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former president obama is speaking out on president trump after years of staying relatively silent. yesterday he delivered a virtual commencement address to graduates of historically black colleges and universities. without naming names, mr. obama took aim at the current white house. those remarks are drawing criticism from the president and his allies. >> there man demonstrais pandem the idea on so many folks in charge know what they're doing. a lot of them aren't pretending to be in charge. if the world will get better, it will be up to you. >> he was grossly incomp tent. >> i'm glad mr. obama has a new job as joe biden's press secretary. i know in his speech that i read

there was no mention of manufacturing, no mention of china. as far as i'm concerned his administration was a kumbaya of incompetent. >> president obama's comments come after some leaked remarks he made to former aides during a phone call last week. he described the trump administration's handling of the pandemic as a chaotic disaster, unquote. chris, you were on that call in was a rare public rebuke from obama and the video we saw was from the graduate together special from last night. he appears to be much more ready to engage with the trump administration and its handling of things now. there are reasons why past presidents don't deal with current presidents. it becomes another rabbit hole for us to fall down into. is this wise for president obama to make these remarks now? >> reporter: what you notice the

president obama never said donald trump's name. this was clearly -- >> he didn't have to. unless you were in a time machine and jumped out in 2016 and just got home , there's no way you could not know who he was talking about. >> reporter: this was clearly a repudiation of the politics of the last three and a half years. the politics of division and fear and scapegoating. it was an opportunity for obama to endorse kind of the broader themes of joe biden's campaign which are empathy and experience. when obama yesterday talks about honesty and responsibility and community, that's a stark contrast to the way that donald trump has tried to govern the country. it echoes what joe biden is talking about where he says we're in a fight for the soul of our nation. then when it comes to experience obama very pointedly talks about the importance of experience and competence and how we take these

things for granted until we don't have them. again, it echoes joe biden's strength, his years in public service, his record in helping the country recover from the great recession on ebola, swine flu. what obama is trying to do is to make this contest november less about two week, two policy differences but two fundamental visions of our country. >> what about how this might play for younger people? it's worth noting this happened, it was meant to be a virtual graduation, a virtual commencement. young people, particularly young black and brown people are among the demographics the democrats want to colease for the 2020 election. if i'm a graduating senior this year, i think i have enough to worry about with climate change, rational racial injustice and now we bring the 2020 election in this.

what do you think? >> it's saying your engagement matters. those of us in government don't have the answers or aren't even asking the right questions. he says it's incumbent upon young people to engage. he talks about the importance of grass root community organizing. he says just engaging online is not enough. he's putting forth the challenge to these people, young people, whose lives have been disrupted by the failures of people in washington that says by you engaging, you can help take back this country. >> eric trump made some comments on fox news last night. let's listen and then i'd like your thoughts. >> they think they are taking away donald trump's greatest tool, which is being able to go into an arena and fill it with 50,000 people every single time. they will and you watch. they will milk it every single day between now and november 3rd. after november 3rd, coronavirus will magically all of a sudden go away and disappear and

everybody will be able to reopen. they're trying to deprive him of his greatest sate which is the fact that the american people love him. >> the love of the american people may be dubious. he lost the popular vote and his approval rating right now is about 46 for, 51.5 against. i understand where eric trump is coming from in saying that donald trump is at his strongest when he's in a crowd. when he had an audience of tens of thousands of people. that's his sweet spot. what do you make of what eric trump says? >> i'm not sure why anyone is paying attention to what e aric trump says. the restrictions are being put on by democratic and republican governors. they are being dictated by public health experts. on this broader point that somehow a democrat sort of

depriving president trump of a bully pulpulpit. he goes out there every day in the white house and embarrasses himself. he's out on twitter rage tweeting all day long. the president has many chances to make his case. he's not making it very well at this point. >> charlotte mayor spoke to aaa velshi about hosting the rnc. they said they will do it. we'll answer more of your questions from vaccines to 401(k)s to the next possible stimulus. our expert will break it down when we come back. just because someone grows older

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republicans say the next round of covid-19 financial relief is dead on arrival. the house passed a $3 trillion he ro heroes act. it faces opposition from

republicans and president trump. house speaker nancy pelosi defended the bill this morning on cbs. >> that isn't so. no bill that is proffer will back law without negotiation. >> what will you give on that? >> the best protection for our workers and employers is to follow very good osha hand toir guidelines and we have that in our bill. >> how does this impact you? let's get some answers to your questions from our panel of experts. their answers is based on what we know now. that may be different from what we said in the past or may say in the future. consult your doctor or financial adviser for what is right for you.

glad to have all of you with us. jean, let's start with you. an economic question from nathan. he asks i'm reading about a possible round of second stimulus checks. i know it will need to be passed through congress and approved by the president. is there any guess when the second round of money could make its way to americans. i'm still struggling to pay bills and it would be a huge help. >> he's not the only one feeling that way. >> my guess in looking at what's happening in washington because as you just heard from nancy pelosi, the house needs the senate and the president to come along for the ride. we're looking at at least a month, at the minimum. that's based on the fact that even once the cares act was signed, it took two weeks to get first round of payments out.

plus an additional amount up to $6,000 per family per kid. >> this viewer asks if we are able to find a vaccine, wouldn't it still take time for our body to create enough antibodies before someone could be considered immune? i think this person is asking a good question that gets right to the heart of how vaccines work. >> it usually takes about two weeks. the vaccine itself, has a immune response and hast how it conferred immunity. will older folks get a different dose, for example, will the schedule be one shot, two and the biggest unknown is how well it works.

remember the flu shot on good year is 40 to 60% effective. we don't know how long it will last. a few weeks after you get the shot, you should have antibodies that will confer some immunity. >> let's get to question from mary. mary asks the mysterious illnesses we are hearing about in children, could this be a reaction? isn't that what killed so many healthy people during the spanish flu? i think what she's referring to is what in an extreme form referring to as storm when your body attacks its own cells. >> yes. it probably was a the cause of some number of deaths during the spanish flu of 1918. we don't have the direct evidence to say that it was.

it's an over reaction of the body's immune system to the response. it's extremely rare. it's not something parents really need to worry about but it is something that can happen and we're seeing more and more evidence that this new syndrome in children, it is happening as a couple hundred cases around the united states but still very rare, joshua. >> another medical question from sarah. sarah asks, i have an auto immune disorder called scleraderma. i am not on medication. am i at higher risk? this disease was created because my immune system has been fighting a disease that did not exist. >> that's great question. patients with scleraderma and ra

and it's when people are on medicine that disrupts the immune system. these patients are vulnerable to vaccine preventible illnesses particularly in scleraderma. for that reason, with some exception, routine vaccinations are recommended for patients with auto immune disease. that's a conversation to have with your doctor when the vaccine becomes available. >> let me get back to an economic question. this is a question from megan. she asks, i haven't been looking at my 401(k) out of fear for what i've lost. any guidance on how long it could be before we see a steady increase or any types what i should be doing now to help myself in the future? first of all, i think you've got

the right idea. there's no way to look at your 401(k) right now without cussing. i'm glad you ain't cussing. jean, what would you say to meg? >> i totally agree with you joshua. now is not time to look. i don't know when we'll see the steady increase she's asking about. what i know if if she has a long term time horizon, we know based on history, you just want to keep buying at all levels as long as you have the five, ten years or more to ride out these ups and downs in the market. if you're feeling unable to sleep at night, the answer is generally not to take everything out of the market but take enough out to make yourself feel comfortable. >> i've heard it compared to planting a seed and digging it

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after the ten-week hiatus, nascar is back. there will be no fans in attendance. teams are limited to essential personnel only and must obey nascar's safety guidelines including wearing mask. joining us is former nascar

driver and nbc analyst jeff burton. jeff, glad to have you with us. what do you think of nascar's decision to race now and of the safety procedures that it has put in place? >> good afternoon. nascar is such a huge part of america. sports are a huge part of america. getting back to business. having an opportunity to get back on the racetrack means a great deal for the entire country. it gives a sense of normalcy and an opportunity to see sports. we love sports. only on the right situation. what nascar has done in working with the cdc, state, federal facia officials on how to have this event, it's the right time. there's about 24 pages of protocol that teams have to go through. for example, the team members that are at the track are not asked to not be the with team members that don't go with the

track back at the shop. there are temperature checks. people are to wear masks inside of the racetrack. there's separation. unfortunately because there's no fans there, it's allowed the entire infield of the racetrack to be used as a garage area. all the teams were able to be spread out, create that social distancing so there are tremendous amounts of things that have been put in place in order to have race. under those guidelines it makes sense. also, in my eyes, it's chance to show leadership. it's chance to say we are dealing with this horrible pandemic. at the same time we got to find way to get back to work. how do we do it? how do we do it safely so the workers are safe, the drivers are safe? we have to separate from the fans. we have to watch it on tv, listen to it on the radio. you can't go to the racetrack. it's an opportunity for leadership and show how things can be done. >> what do you think the absence of fans in the arena will mean

for the race themselves? when you're in that vehicle, you're not looking at the fans. you're looking a t the cars in front of you and around you. will it make a difference? >> i think most of it is preimposed race. the fans bring an incredible amount of energy, excitement and enthusiasm. nascar race is like a three-day tailgate party. it goes on forever. as a driverer y you sense that feel that. drivers instructiotroduction, t national anthem. the fans get pumped up. they great this noise and vibration in the rarena. when they're not there, you won't feel that. once the race gets going, because the cars are so loud, you don't have the crowd noise like in the basketball arena. you have more noise from the engine. i think at that point from an experience stand point from the driver e it kind of goes away. post-race, for the winner and those that finished well they're

not going to have that type of energy. i think the drivers will have to prepare for that. >> i hate to cut you short. can i hold you on that point because i think you might have hit the nail on the head. you describe it add a three-day ta tailgate party. i wonder if we're missing the communal experience. you can watch on tv but you can only be with people with people. before i have to let you go, is that maybe the crux of this? not so much the sport but the socialization around the sport? >> yeah. what's different about nascar race is say if you go to a carolina panthers football game, 95% of the people in the arena

are panthers fans. when you go to nascar race, they're fans of every driverer. there's no home field advantage. you have mixing of people from all over the country. that's one of the things how it's different than other types of sports. there's no home field advantage for any one driverer. >> that's nbc sports jeff burton. thanks very much for talking to us. >> thank you. thank you for making time for us this hour. i'll see you back here tonight at 9:00 eastern. the news continues in a moment on msnbc. to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today.

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