lots to bring you this hour, so let's get to it. >> if anything, this pandemic is fully finally torn back the curtain on the idea that so many of folks in charge no what they're doing. a lot of them aren't even pretending to be in charge. all those adults that used to think they were in charge or no what they're doing, turns out they don't have all the answers opinion . a lot of them aren't asking the right questions. >> president trump responded a short time ago. >> he was an incompetent president. grossly incomp tetent. thank you.

>> it's part of the blame game being played inside the administration. peter navaro criticized the cdc. >> early on, the cdc that had the most trusted brand around the world in this space, have let the country down with the testing. not only did they keep the testing within the bureaucracy, they had a bad test. that did set us back. the president is putting his energy into politically motivated conspiracy theories. rather than focusing on the crisis at hand. the hill reports that two gop committees are investigating joe biden over the unmasking of michael flynn in the hopes of turning it in a red meat issue in time for the election. with me to discuss jonathan capehart, annie carnie, hays

brown and aaron haines at the 19th. jonathan, before we get into the back and forth you would have the sitting president giving the one you see his predecessor seeing. what should it say that barack obama was called upon to give not one but two addresses but no one was asking why the president was not the one giving those addresses. >> right. it says everything we need know about the political environment we're in and the regard with which this administration is held, which is very low.

as you knowed in the clip, when it calls for moments of grace, empathy, moments of compassion, president trump failed every time. it was panned the one time he discussed it. when the times call for leadership and ward nate ecoord leadership, where would we be right now if there was clear motivated directed leadership from the oval office based in science to get on top of the pandemic as it was bearing down on the country back in january or february, or let alone today where governors are still trying to patch things together to

ensure that the people who live in their states are able to get tests. we could see, as you mentioned, a spike in new cases. we could see more of this instead of less which is what we should be seeing and what we would be seeing if we had leadership from the white house. >> do what you think is right. doing what feels good, that's how kids think. a lot of grown ups including

some with fancy titles and important jobs still think that way, which is why things are so screwed up. i hope that instead you decide to ground yourself in values that last. >> that would seem like a critique of the sitting president. this comes on the heel offense th -- heels of that leaked audio with president obama talking with former members of his administration. i wonder what you make of the timing of barack obama ramping up these critiques. >> i think what we can make is former president obama was using commencement for a time to inspire graduates and the speech did have some advice for graduates. it was kind of a reel that we were used to seeing former president obama in as something who is em pathetic, encouraging and kind of is uplifting.

not only was smepeaking to graduates but i think he was speaking to voters, to democrats, to lay out the state of our politics in the midst of these graduates coming into the world, having a major rite of passage and in many ways that pandemic is a rite of passage for our country. i think he wanted to use the graduation to hit on that. >> what is the white house saying about the way this critique is landing? is this their strategy to push back and put the blame for the current crisis on the former administration? >> the attacks on obama came before obama did this commencement address. obama gate has become a phrase that they're trying to make almost like benghazi.

a one word, knee jerk sense of something the democrats did wrong. this is in part to distract from the president's leadership during the coronavirus crisis. he's using to use this inmunmasg of flynn. this is a questionable strategy. one, obama is a much more popular politician than trump is according to public polling. the campaign has spent a lot of time and resources saying they are reaching out and trying to expand with black voters, trying to expand with latino voters. this bashing obama doesn't help with that. it only helps with one part of the electorate and that's the hard core trump base. there are campaign official who is are a little attacking obama strategy. others say trump hasn't really managed to expand beyond the

base any way. maybe the best thing to do is sure it up and change the channel from all the focus that's nearly on did he succeed or fail at every coordinated response to the crisis. as obama gets more active, i can only imagine it will ramp up because trump is someone who can't not respond especially to someone like president obama who has gotten under his skin for years. >> can you stick with this flynn story for a second and give us a bit more conduct. how common, uncommon is this and what more sticks out to you in this report in. >> unmasking is a fancy term for something that's very common but right now the administration is trying the make it sound like joe biden involvement here is something -- there's something

wrong about it. they're trying to turn this into a political scandal. it's doing double duty of trying to rewrite the russia investigation which is a cloud over president trump's presidency for two years. this is doing the double work of providing a distraction from the coronavirus story line and we writing the history of the russia investigation. unmasking itself is nothing out of the ordinary despite a scary sounding name. >> you have biden not taking the bait. the washington post reports that biden's advisers aware of what trump is preparing to fire at him describes themselves being dead set of being triggered or especial engaging with him on his terms. i wonder what you make of biden strategy. >> it makes total sense.

the obamagate is a term for something that happens all the time in the national security field. the vice president has every right to get a report, see that. an american name being picked up. what happened here is the vice president saw that and said, who is this? he got an answer. the answer was michael flynn. the fact he knows that, national security knows that, they all agree this is not uncommon. taking the tact of we're not going to stoop down and make this into more of a thing than it is. i think it makes sense for now. that's not going to stop the conspiracy theories from spinning. it's not going to stop the disinformation from flowing. now they have taken the high road and said we're not going to directly address this. we're not going to come out

swinging, what they need to do is figure out what the anti-information strategy is moving forward. this will be the start of something much bigger. we'll hear obamagate thrown around a lot. >> all right. thank you all so much. up next, there are new details today about who asked the president to fire a key government watchdog and why. plus, we're less than six months away from november's elections and there are still a lot of questions about how americans will cast their ballot. we'll take a look at some of the big changes that could be in store this fall.

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bipartisan concern about president trump's decision to fire the state department inspector general. not just about why he did it but how he did it. the news was first reported around 10:00 on friday night. the washington post points out

donald trump is a fan of the friday night news dump. sharing controversial news after most people have checked out for the weekend. two weeks ago trump removed the acting health and human services after 8:00 p.m. on a friday. last month trump fired the intelligence community inspector general around 10:00 p.m. on a friday. let's bring in monica alba. plon monica, a white house official says the firing came at the advice of secretary mike pompeo. what does that say about the role of a watchdog in this administration? >> that was a significant admission from this white house. noticeable in how blunt and forthcoming that is when sometimes we ask for spla splain explanations about why certain moves are made. the president says they have the authority to remove them but they leave it at that. in this case they went beyond that to say this did physically come from secretary pompeo and as it's been reported, acourting

to democratic aides, he was looking into something related to the secretary and his wife. using a government employee to run soft personal errands or tasks. it's unclear what but that may be at the center of why the secretary would want this inspector general removed. if that's the case, it's significant the kwhous white ho saying we took mr. pompeo's recommendation and the president agreed with it. when asked this morning, peter navarro feels frustrated by is this obama era appointees who were hold overs. while steve did serve the former president and the current one had been critical of democrats while he was in this role in 2013 issuing a squacathing repo on hillary clinton's e-mails. these are independent government officials that should be doing their work. it's noticeable we have seen several of them.

the white house continues to say this fall to the president when he decides to do it. we have seen him do it a cup of times now and will continue to press on why in this specific instance it happened a few days ago. >> how speaker nancy pelosi weighed in on the decision this morning. take a listen. >> unsavory when you take out someone who is there to enforce -- to stop, waste, fraud abuse or other violations of the law they believe to be happening. let's take a look and see. the president has the right to fire any federal employee but the fact is, if it looks like it's in retaliation for something that the ig, the inspector general, is doing, that could be unlawful. >> ken, what can the house do to hold the president accountable? >> that's the big question. the house democrats have impeached this president.

what levers do they have left? i think the key is in what monica was saying is the white house was quick to pass this off on mike pompeo. it's clear congress hasn't been able to hold donald trump accountable for things he's done that are outside of the norm, cabinet officials have been subject to a different standard. if it turns out that mike pompeo recommended the dismissal of this ig knowing there was a pending investigation involving pom ppeos personal conduct, tha could be significant. some could argue it approaches obstruction of justice and could be investigated as a federal crime. we don't have that fact pattern but that's the allegation that's been made and what congress has done so far is asked the state department and trump administration to preserve all documents related to this matter so they can conduct an investigation we have seen the trump administration resist congressional inquiries for documents. i think one of the keys here is to what extent senate republicans get on board with this. we saw mitt romney who is a

critic of trump tweet in opposition saying the independence of inspector generals. chuck grassley said he wanted more explanation for this action but he did not condemn it. one key will be the reaction of senate republicans whether they empower this conduct or criticize and investigate it. >> monica, what are you hearing about the relatement? >> we already know if the state department who let us nope. stephen akard will be replacing him. he's an ally of mike pence. he worked for him back when he was governor of indiana. notable the president is replacing somebody who is overseei ining secretary of sta mike pompeo with someone who is an ally of one of his other most close confidants, the vice president. the question is whether the new inspector general will continue whatever probe may have been open into pompeo or what comes from that.

now as you see on capitol hill, more investigations to find out what was at the center. >> thank you. up next, decisions are being made that will have a big impact on november's election and the changes to keep people safe could impact how we vote but who gets to vote. we'll talk about it next. it's been a unique session for the supreme court. they are about to start announcing decisions. we'll talk about some of the key cases including the fight over president trump's tax returns. that's coming up on msnbc. plap

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do so. this include a mid-june deadline to order ballots in anticipation more people want to vote by mail due to the coronavirus pandemic. this comes as president trump claims the latest coronavirus relief bill packed by thousands is dead on arrival. joining me now is the director of voting rights and elections. also with me is david becker. he's the executive director and founder of the center for election innovation and research. this report reminded me of the way that i jengently nudge the procrastinators in my life when there's big holiday or a looming deadline and i want to make sure they don't leave everything until the last minute. what are the stakes of not doing what needs to be done in a timely manner? >> americans should not have to choose between their health and fundamental right to vote.

for that reason congress needs to appropriate sufficient funds now so election administrators can begin the hard work they have to do of making sure that all americans will have access to a vote by mail system and that our polling places are safe and healthy. the consequences of not doing so could be quite disasterous because we have really important election coming up and we need to make sure it goes off without a hitch. we need to make sure people have confidence in its outcome and have a good experience when they vote on election day or otherwise they're going to be dealing with a lot of bad feeling and a lot of mistrust in our electoral system which nobody wants. it doesn't matter your political viewpoints. e everybody want elections they can trust. >> talk to me about capacity. what do you imagine the need is going to be for these mail in ballots and absentee ballots going n -- into november?

>> many state s have a robust system of allowing voters to vote by mail. many states, this will be new for them. they need to talk about staffing, technology and machin machines. they need to talk about how to set up polling police stations in new ways. it's kwiequite a lot of work to. we still have time if we get to it really quickly. for that reason, it's really critical that election administrators at the state and local level have what they need in order to begin the preparations, in other words preparations, in order to begin the planning so we have a smooth election in november. >> stacy abrams was on msnbc earlier with joy reid talking about the push back that we hear from republicans around this idea of voter fraud. take a listen. >> when you talk to republicans about this, is there some other case they try to make other than

this myth about fraud? >> no. that's the last refuge they have because they know it's false argument. across the country we have seen bipartisan at the administrative level, at the state level and the federal level. this is only a challenge for those who think their politics should trump the will of the people. let's be clear, every state in dun tri h country has the capacity to vote by mail. every state does it. the issue is making sure that every american has it and that they don't have to jump through hoops or cross beariearriers the impossible to cross. >> david, how do you take partisanship out of this conversation? >> well, my non-profit works election officials all over the country, republicans and democrats. the good news is that almost all of them are doing that already. that's what they do. they're just doing the hard work of making sure that voters will be able to vote in a safe and convenient way in november and for upcoming primary, of course.

there is stacy abrams is right, there's some rhetoric coming from politicians that adviser to undermine that but the election official, almost all of them, democrats, republicans are finding ways to expand mail voting and make in-person voting will which still be necessary during a pandemic that some people will need that, make that safety and convenient for people who need it. she's also very right. although election officials have begun the work to make november as convenient and safe as possible and allow for as many voters who want to participate as possible, they will need resoirr resources. there will need to be more resources put in place to expand mail voting and make for clean and safe polling places, to recruit adequate number of poll workers who are not at populations. we'll need to see that come november. >> the u.s. post pal service has the federal government for additional funding. you have the president telling them that perhaps they should raise the price on their packages. how critical is the u.s. postal

service in making sure that every one who wants stroets can vote in november? >> we need to be clear about the fact that americans of all political stripes want access to a vote by mail system given the crisis we're under given the health and the coronavirus and the pandemic and the fear of a resurgence. all of the experts agree that vote by mail is a necessary step in order to make sure that our elections are going to be safe and healthy. the post office is an important part of that. that is also the kind of political attacks that the post office is the subject of or reasons why we still need to make sure our polling places are appropriately resourced because voters need risk diversification. we need to make sure voters have as many options as possible come november because every community will be different. if we are making sure that both

polling places and vote by mail systems are working, that increases the likelihood that every eligible american will be able to cast a ballot. >> david, we have already watched this conversation ping-pong through the texas court system. how much of this do you think ends up becoming a legal battle? >> i think a lot of it could, of course but again, some good news to take from it is that some of it is being resolved now. it's important that issues related to funding, rules get resolved now so the election officials can do the hard work of making sure they can facilitate voting come november. we still have a lot of primaries going on as well. they are very busy with that now. to get that all settled in advance. we know what the rules are. one very important point of all of this is that voters will be voting in many cases in ways they have not voted before. they're going to need a lot more information and education from election officials as well and to prepare for that in advance

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i want to see a ban of no-knock warrants in situations like this because it was uncauuncaus uncaused for. she loved life. she loved to help people. briana loved family. she was a very sweet person and she went out of her way for anybody. >> that was tameka palmer, the mother of 26-year-old emt briana taylor after police raid took her daughter's life according to lawsuit. her family says officers provided false information in the affidavit used to secure a no-knock swarnts. she was shot and killed by police officered who forced their way into the home. they believe the suspect was already in police custody at the time of the raid.

the lauwsuit says he fired at police officers in self-defense because they thought they were being robbed. the three officers blindly fired more than 20 shot sbos into the apartment. the officers did knock and announce their presence but were met with gunfire after forcing their way in. the three officers involved in her death are now on administrative reassignment pending an investigation. a shocking twist in the investigation of 25-year-old ahmaud abury. gregory mcmichael played a role in releasing the video of he and his son's deadly confrontation with ahmaud. he down loaded the video onto a thumb drive and gregory mcmichael delivered it to a local radio station. he hoped the public would see

them trying to make a citizen's arrest on a young man running from a home on construction. he had been seen in on that night on several occasions while he plunders around. the family that reviewed the footage and released statement saying there were frequently people on the construction site both day and night. ahmaud seems to be the only one presumed to be a criminal and the only one murdered based on that assumption. gregory mcmichael and his son pursued him believing he was a burglary suspect and claimed they acted in self-defense during the altercation. with me now is a senior writer for rolling stone magazine. i want to start with you because there's also a development that i would like your thoughts on. according to the u.s. post pal inspector, there were no packages of interest going to

briana taylor's apartment. this contradicts the reasoning police gave for their no-knock warrant. what does that mean for this case? >> the fact this warrant was issued was a mistake from the beginning. they didn't lay out the proper information specifically for the individual they were looking for at briana taylors apartment. to get a search warrant, you have to establish probable cause that a crime is being kplited at the property you want to search or there's evidence of a crime at that property. the detectives laid out that probable cause. in order to get a no-knock, no announcement search warrant, there has to be reasonable suspicion if you were to announce and knock that the investigation would be hindered, evidence could be destroyed or the individuals inside would flee from law enforcement. what did rerealize after they raided her apartment. she had no drugs. there were no drug traffickers and no dam cameras that they aemg as well in the search

warrant application. the fact she had to lose her life based on information that wasn't even substantiated. i believe the judge should have never signed this search warrant and to add insult to injury, kenneth walker who was just protecting his home, his girlfriend from intruders, the officers say they nieannounced witnesses say the opposite is now being charged with attempted murder. it's a slap in face all around. >> jamil in your piece in rolling stone you talk about the fact very often st deceased character ends up becoming a secondary victim, not the case for briana taylor. >> yes, because in this case as we see in this picture she was an essential worker during the early days of the coronavirus pandemic. she was an emt working two jobs in louisville area. we see that in this time, the character of essential workers has become unassailable.

it's really hard for people to say this wonderful emt with the wonderful smile and the fact she was working out trying to save lives, how will we assail her character and call her no angel, so to speak. it's going to be very, very difficult to -- folk who is are interested in making her the criminal after the fact, to pursue that agenagenda. that being said, it's not like they didn't try to meet this quiet. we have seen in the case of mr. walker. he was released to home incarceration two weeks following the shooting and the police union made him out to be a threat to the community. here's a person who at 1:00 in morning seems like he was trying to protect his girlfriend and his girlfriend's home from plain clothes cops who didn't announce

themselves. this is really a travesty of case. i think briana taylor deserved an america that saw her as essential before this coronavirus pandemic. they deserve -- people like this deserve an america that sees their lives as vital and is intangible before they knock through a door and start firing off rounds happhazardly. >> when you talk about the case against kenneth walker, how does kentucky stand your ground play. >> it allows residents to use deadly force against intrudesers who they believe are trying to break into their homes. that law doesn't apply to force use against police officers but only if the police officers identify themselves.

there's the issue. the police officers say that i had did announce themselves. they knocked and announced themselves. walker stated per the civil case that's been filed on behalf of the family has stated as well as the witnesses, neighbors said they didn't hear the officers announcing themselves. it's going to be a he say, he say because there was no camera being recorded. the officers weren't wearing body cams. why would kenneth walker not be able to use a firearm that's registered and he's a lawfully carrying citizen to protect his home and the woman he loves in this place where others are coming inside the home. if they announced themselves, they are still in plain clothes. they were driving cars that weren't police officers and kenneth called 911 himself. why is somebody who was trying to kill a police officer call 911 and not comply with officers

if they did announce themselves in the first place. they had nothing to hide. there was no drug, no drug traffickers. again, it's going to come down to who is jury will believe and from all accounts this prosecutor assigned to this case is going to proceed forward with the prosecution of kenneth walker. >> i want to ask you one question about ahmaud arbury's death. there's reports other states are pushing to re-evaluate their citizen arrest laws. i'm wondering if you think it's a step in the right direction. >> it's the perfect step. things will not change if we concentrate on the lawsuits and pursuing accountability through the courts as far as arresting the people involved and making sure that they serve time in prison. the fact is that gregory mcmichael and travis micmichael

left with the guns not because they felt a sense of duty to protect their neighborhood and maybe they felt like they were racist and were entitled to do so, they felt like they were protected by the law. we have to change the laws in order to make sure that when people see ahmaud running down the street and they do suspect him of a crime, well you can't go chase them down the street and hunt them down and kill them. you have to follow the laws of the land. the laws of the land don't protect you if you go forward with any kind of early 20th century lynching. you have to go by the laws of the land and everybody has to feel like they can go out for a sunday afternoon run without feeling like they will be treated like a suspect. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, the supreme court is getting ready to rule. we'll talk about the major decisions coming down on daca,

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with trump, what are the key sticking points and listening in on the questions that were being asked, what stuck out to you most? >> this is just i think one of the most consequential separation of powers cases of our lifetimes and it have very, very clear i think listening to the court heard argument for almost three hours. it's clear the justices took it very seriously. they are trying to figure out the sort of contours of congressional oversight and whether congress can look into trump's financial records. they are try iing to figure out whether the district attorney of new york can get a hold of the similar documents for purposes of a grand jury investigation and the court took very, very seriously, i think the k fact that both in the nixon era and the clinton era unanimous supreme court said yes. presidents can be looked into. i think that the anxiety of how

to constrain what could be an immense amount of supervisory power was clearly threaded through the argument, but i think it was clear in the new york case, sort of in criminal case, that the court was not buying what trump's lawyers were selling. >> melissa, i want you to pick on what she was just saying about the nixon case. the clinton case. how much are the justices looking to former precedent to make an inform their open decisions? >> it seems clear from oral argument that at least some wing of the court was clear about maintaining fidelity to their past precedents. what i thought was interesting at least at the congressional subpoena cases, the president's narrative that congressional oversight is basically harassment really seemed to have taken hold. at least with some quarters of the court, including surprising numbers like justice briar who worried that issuing subpoenas

could amount to a kind of mccarthyism that bedevilled during the new deal. i think we're seeing this delicate balance the court is trying to strike between allowing congress to do its role and supervise and oversee the executive branch without allowing the president to get away with too much. >> also up for a decision is the case regarding the future of daca. in november, we saw protestors outside of the courts begging for the justices to overrule the trump administration's attempt to shut it down. based on the arguments, the line of questioning, what is your take away here? >> this is another one that's tricky and another one that puts i think chief justice john roberts, who is wide ly agreed o be b the sort of swing justice now, the new anthony kennedy, in a pretty tough position. this basically has to do with donald trump resending daca three courts conjoined that. we have 800,000 dreamers of

which now we're discovering 27,000 of them are working on the front lines during the covid pandemic doing medical work. and i think the real that we saw in oral argument was one of optics. was what is it going to look like? are we going to deport these people? just take away that which the o obama administration had bestoued upon them? i think there's a real anxiety i saw in the questioning b about how will this look and maybe it's useful to say here, all these cases have to be looked at together in the aggregate because every one of them is so consequenkonconsequence shl thae of this things roberts is thinking about is which of these can i do. >> of the cases on which they're divided, melissa, you have this louisiana abortion law. the issue of whether or not states can force abortion

doctors to have admitting privileges at nearby hospitals. how consequential is that decision going to be for similar laws across the country? >> i think it's an enormous case because it's being heard by the court because the law at issue is the virtual twin of a texas law that the court struck down in 2016 in whole women's health. the difference between now and 2016 of course is that the court has two new justices and kennedy who could at times be counted on to a stalwart support er of reproductive rights and now we have kavanaugh and gorsuch whose views are to the left. this is a huge case. if the court decides that l. louisia louisiana's law should stand, it would embolden other states. and also important here is the court inserted an additional question to be answered. whether the physicians bringing these kagss on behalf of their

clients are the appropriate parties to be bringing these cases and if they determine that they're not, that will have enormous repercussions for the litigation of abortion cases going forward. >> melissa and dahlia, thank you so much. wraps it up for this hour. al sharpton takes over at the top of the hour m he'll take to ma magic johnson about the unique way he's trying to get funding to minority owned businesses. that's up next on politics nation. this is my body of proof. proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira. proof of less joint pain... ...and clearer skin in psa. humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers,

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