of the twice testing wiea week. i believe there's about 100,000 residents in our nursing homes, about 180,000 staff between adult care facilities and nursing homes. it's very aggressive. we're leading the nation on this and, yes, we believe we will meet the goal. >> when? good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington continuing our coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. new york governor andrew cuomo today saying that in new york city the virus is still spreading in lower-income communities and communities of color. in those communities, 27% of the populations tested positive for covid-19. that's compared to the overall rate in new york city of about 20%. the government said testing would be increased in those areas. here are the other facts at this hour. today connecticut becomes the final state to begin partially reopening as governors put more responsibility on residents and business owners to sustain their social distancing and safe practices. try to prevent a second wave of

the virus. president trump continuing today to defend his decision to take a controversial anti-malaria drug, now claiming thousands of frontline workers are also taking it. but the american medical association disputes that and other experts say workers who did use it initially, poor tests show dangerous side effects are no longer using it and there's been an fda warning. and progress on the inflantory danger for children. the cdc issuing a warning. and also saying some hospitals are finding ways to treat it successfully. joining me to talk about all of this, nbc white house correspondent and weekend "today" co-host kristen welker. "the washington post" white house bureau chief phil rucker. former obama white house deputy chief of staff jim messina. and former u.s. surgeon general, dr. murphy. let's talk about the president being wedded to this hydroxychloroquine despite the warnings, despite the risks

associated with it. i want to bring dr. murphy in then to talk about the medical facts. kristen? >> we saw president trump, who was increasingly defiant on tuesday about this, andrea, when he was asked about the potential risks about the studies which showed that ultimately it didn't have a benefit in treating coronavirus. of course, the question looming over it, can it be used to actually prevent are the canning covid-19? president trump made the claim that thousands of frontline workers are using the medication. we did a little bit of a fact check. checked with the largest medical association, which said they don't have data to back that up at this point. the white house points to the fact they're about a dozen or so trials that are slowly getting under way to try to test that theory. those trials though in their early stages. so they say that's what president trump is talking about. bottom line though, andrea, there are a number of questions about the effectiveness of using

hydroxychloroquine. vice president mike pence for his part was asked about this yesterday for the first time, andrea, because of course you'll recall his press secretary did test positive for covid-19. and the vice president saying he's not taking it, his doctor did not recommend that. so this continues to be one of the questions swirling around this administration, is the president sending mixed signals? he's gotten some criticism, including from house speaker nancy pelosi, who said he shouldn't be taking it. and that's really sparked this bitter back and forth between the two leaders. the reason why that's important, andrea, is because they may need to work together in order to get the business of washington done, in order to, for example, talk about the next steps, how they're going to help americans in the next phase of fighting this crisis, andrea. >> and they haven't talked since i think last october, in fact, if then. dr. murphy, let's talk about hydroxychloroquine. i also wanted to point out you have a new book, which is

amazing at this time and age, and aptly titled "together the healing power of human connection in a sometimes lonely world." something we all understand in the last 2 1/2 months. let's talk about hydroxychloroquine, and the president's use of it, concerns he's modeling something. a lot of people will follow his example, something that could be risky. >> thanks, andrea. the first thing i want to be clear on for anyone that's watching is there is no evidence that hydroxychloroquine helps prevent covid-19 or that it helps to treat covid-19. we've actually seen studies among patients who have covid-19 where in addition to not seeing benefits, we've seen side effects. so it's important to recognize, not only is there no evidence of benefit but medicines, all medicines have risks associated with them. the president had said yesterday this is a medicine that's been around for a long time so it's safe. just because it's relatively safe does not mean it doesn't have side effects.

it doesn't matter if it's been around for one year or 20 years. it's important to keep in mind. the risk benefit just is not there. and the second point to make is when you're in a position of leadership, especially visible position, it's exceedingly important to lead by example and use science to guide our decision making. we're already seeing now even before we have a vaccine available there's misinformation proliferating on the internet about a covid-19 vaccine. we're only going to be seeing more misinformation develop over the coming weeks and months and that makes it all the more important that our public officials lead by example and they don't put forward treatments or other measures that are not based in science. that can lead people to take these medicines thinking that maybe the president knows something we don't know but the reality is there's no indication to be taking hydroxychloroquine to prevent covid-19 right now. >> to phil rucker, we now see

overnight, the cdc now putting out the delayed cdc guidelines for reopening but they're considerably watered down. how do you compare what they initially proposed with what the president apparently admitted to be released? >> yeah, well, andrea, they are watered down and that fits the pattern over the last few months, which is the cdc sought to put out more detailed guidance to the american people so business leaders and community leaders across the country can be making some of their decisions about health precautions and reopenings. but we've seen the trump white house take steps to try to gloss over some of details to try to water down the recommendations. in part because they don't want to send out as many specific recommendations for people out in the country but also in part because -- and we know this from our reporting -- because they don't want to set mettics that the administration will then be judged by down the road. it's partly an effort to avoid

and blame the responsibility if the metrics are not realized. the guidelines did come out but we see again the white house did play a role in determining what exactly gets shared with the public and it fits a pattern of tension between this white house and centers for disease control that is only growing. >> and it seems though, jim messina, the president is not trying to find politically supportive doctors, doctors who are willing to help him and campaign and go on television and tout some of the things he's been touting. this could be effective? >> it could be. i mean, you know, in the short term americans believe their health care professionals in the middle of this crisis more than anyone else. president trump's got a real problem on these issues. there's a poll showing him with unprecedentedly low numbers. 57% of americans no longer

believe anything he says on the covid crisis. his approval rating is down to 41% of all voters and more importantly 32% of independent voters. he now trails in every single battleground state. so he's going into this with people not believing him so he's naturally reaching out to health officials trying to have them provide him some cover. the other problem he has is 36.5 million americans are unemployed. so the duality of his health care challenges and covid and his statements as well as the economy puts the president in unchartered territory in the middle of a political campaign. and he continues, andrea, to say things that are going to be politically damaging for him. i know he says things every day that are crazy but yesterday he said the number of deaths in the united states was a badge of honor for him. he was referring to testing but i promise you that that statement will be on television in the battleground states by the ended of the week and all

fall. and he continues to make this very, very hard for himself. >> doctor, i do want to ask you also about this terrible kawasaki-like syndrome covid-related in children. we are seeing more cases now. but the cdc's warning overnight to people throughout the countries and doctors throughout the country also included some promising therapies that had been used. can you help us with that? i think we're going to try to get back to you because we're having trouble with your audio. we will try to fix that. let me ask kristen welker, on the politics side, we saw the president go to the senate republican lunch yesterday, senate lunch. according to all of our reporting from our hill team, most of the messaging was all about the campaign. it wasn't going as had been advertised to talk about the pandemic and responses.

also the vice president in the battleground state of florida today, another trip planned, and michigan is tomorrow. what about also threatening to withhold money from michigan because of their medical procedures and their restrictions on reopening in some areas? >> everything that you just talked about, andrea, underscores the fact we're increasingly seeing this president pivot to trying to reopen the economy and to his re-election campaign in the fall. as you point out, that threat today to withhold funds for michigan, a battleground state, remember, michigan is dealing with floods right now that have displaced some 10,000 people. this is what president trump tweeted. he said michigan sends absentee ballots to 17.7 million people ahead of the primaries and general election. this was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue secretary of state. i will ask to hold up funding to

michigan if they want to go down this voter fraud path. no proof this is a voter fraud path, andrea. while the secretary of state responded saying my name is joycelyn benson and we sent applications, not ballots, making the point it's just like my, quote, gop colleagues i in nebraska, virginia and the rest. this will be a hot-botten issue. but more broadly speaking, this is an issue president trump is using to energize his base as he prepares to travel to michigan, andrea. this will be the third trip he will be taking to a state that he wants to win in 2020 in the past 3 weeks alone, andrea. >> and he's also already voted by mail in florida, his new adoptive home. dr. murthy i was asking before the audio problem arose, about more of these terrible cases with children having this covid-related syndrome and there

are now according to the cdc some promising therapies that are helping these kids recover? >> well, i think it is reassuring we're getting a better handle in understanding this illness. to be clear what this illness is, it's an inflammatory syndrome we're starting to see in a growing number of children who have covid-19 infection. they don't actually have often the typical symptoms that you imagine with covid-19, primary a cough, fever, shortness of breath. instead they seem to have an inflammatory response that seems to be triggered by the virus that affects their heart and other organisms in the body. the good news most children who have this syndrome are doing okay in the end are surviving with supportive care in the hospital. but what this goes to show us is we have to approach this virus with a lot of humility because we're still learning more and more about it. we have to be cautious to say we know exactly who is at risk and

who is not, because we would have not thought children would be affected in the way they are. for parents who see kids going through this severe illness, they don't want their children to suffer. they want to know how they can protect their kids. we have to keep this in mind as we learn more about covid-19. we have to caution our approach and that should be a general rule that we apply to reopening. >> dr. murthy, former surgeon general, mr. reminder even for those of us with no medical training. thank you all so much. and the author of "healing power of human connection in a sometimes lonely world." coming up next, secretary of state mike pompeo striking out under fire. what he's saying about the ouster of the state department official who is investigating him. later, the cdc is sharing the information about the new covid-19 related inflammatory syndrome. we will talk to our correspondent about the children

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the secretary of state is under fire today after the state department's wash dog was fired friday night by the president who said he didn't know why he was acting under mike pompeo's recommendation. today he responded to that at a news conference for the first time. >> let's be clear, there are claims this was for retaliation

for some speculation that the office was engaged in. that's patently false. i have no idea what investigations were taking place. i have seen various stories that somebody was walking my dog to sell arms to my dry cleaner. it's all just crazy stuff. so i didn't have access to that information so i could not have possibly retaliated. it would have been impossible. >> and mike pompeo said he should have fired the inspector general lynnic a loa long time . senator, thank you so much for being with us. first of all, the secretary ridiculed the charges by complain about a lot of things and what he had said in writing about a saudi arms deal what he approved an authorization to

provide arms rejections, i should say. and he wouldn't answer questions why it's appropriate for a cabinet secretary to recommend a firing, especially to a president who said he didn't know anything about it and went along with it. wasn't the spirit of this post-watergate law in '78 to put oversight, oversight over cabinet secretaries so they wouldn't have any say over what the inspector general did or didn't do? >> that's exactly right, andrea. what we have here is the secretary of state mike pompeo admitting he called for the firing of the inspector general of the state department, who was conducting an investigation into secretary pompeo's own wrongdoing. and then the secretary refusing to answer the question about why he fired the inspector general. this is a classic play out of the trump administration. when somebody is trying to hold you accountable, when somebody is trying to get to the bottom of something, just fire them.

and this has been the way the trump administration has handled these inspector generals. they fired a number of them. and it totally undermines the purpose of an inspector general, which is to have that independent accountability for the public, for the public good, to unveil wrongdoing. so it's very important that we get to the bottom of this. >> he didn't say also whether he would comply with a friday deadline to respond to congressman engle, the chairman on the house's side, investigation for this. the clock is running. the firing goes into place unless there's an explanation. the president has ultimate authority over this. this is the fourth time this happened, three out of four on a friday night in just the last six weeks. >> well, that's right. and this is part of a pattern we've seen from day one in this administration. of course, ultimately, the voters that will have to hold

this administration accountable because most americans, regardless of political persuasion, believe that we should have some kind of independent oversight over these operations. the sole purpose of an inspector general is to provide that independent look at these agencies, including the heads of these agencies, to determine if there's wrongdoing. so it's going to be very important that the house not only call pompeo up but have this inspector general testify. i'd like to say we should do the same in the senate. we should do the same in the senate. but senate republicans have been complicit with this administration in trying to cover up wrongdoing and i don't expect to see a change of behavior here. but the house of representatives needs to push forward on this to help uphold the public trust. we can also explore ways to strengthen the inspector general

laws. but ultimately, the president has decided to take these firings because he doesn't want people to figure out what he and the other members of his administration are doing. >> the secretary of state was also asked about a republican senator, senator grassley, a powerful senator who has repeatedly written to the president to ask for an explanation on a number of these firings, and most recently on this one, and has not gotten answers yet. instead of answering that, he chose to attack the democratic ranking member foreign relations senator mendez, one of your colleagues, and said i don't get my ethics from a man who was prosecuted, in terms of the response from senator menendez. he responded to this saying secretary pompeo faces an investigation both into this improper firing and his attempt to cover up his inappropriate and possibly illegal actions. not surprisingly he lashed out

at me and others conducting congressional oversight. the fact he's trying to use diverse tactics to attempt to smear me is predictable as it is shameful. we should point out the secretary is referring to a 2018 prosecution that was dropped for mistrial so senator menendez was cleared of any charges. >> that's right. and this is also right out of the trump playbook. when somebody is uncovering wrongdoing that you're engaged in, try to distract it, try to point fingers at somebody else, change the subject. and that's obviously what secretary pompeo is trying to do. he refused to answer the question directly as to why he fired the inspector general. he refused to say what the inspector general's investigation was about, even though he did answer written questions about that inquiry.

he must have had some sense as to what was going on. he, by the way, refused an in-person interview with the inspector general. this is classic trump administration, like the new trumped-up obamagate to try to divert attention from their own wrongdoing. with respect to senator grassley, it would be great to see senate republicans actually awaken from their deep trump-induced sleep here in the united states senate and actually have a hearing. letters are great, but, you know, that's not going to really influence the conduct of secretary pompeo or this administration. why not hold a hearing? here we are in the united states senate. we're voting on all of these judges. we should be focused on the issue of the coronavirus the house passed, hero's act. there's a lot more to be done. if we're going to effectively implement the c.a.r.e.s. act and all of this legislation, we're going to need oversight.

we're going to need to make sure there's transparency and accountability. so it would help to have the cooperation of the administration in that. if they don't cooperate, it's up to the united states senate to do its job and hold them accountable. but unfortunately, we haven't seen much of that out of the republican majority here. >> secretary pompeo has a weekly news briefing but only took four questions today. thank you very much. thank you, chris van hollen, senator van hollen. >> thank you. coming up -- more children are being examinationed with the mysterious illness linked to covid-19. how doctors are working together to try to find treatment. and several universities announcing they plan to have in-person classes this fall. what will life on campus look like? stay with us for all of that. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. wayfair has way more ways to renovate your home,

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in a worldwide call for doctors on tuesday, the cdc outlined the dangers of the mystery life-threatening illness in children that has been linked to covid-19 and shared what treatments seem to be helping some children recover. nbc's kristin dahlgren has the latest. >> reporter: the cdc call outlined what they learned about the illness, now found in at least 24 states and 10 countries around the world. according to the briefing, multi system inflammatory syndrome in children, or mis-c, is thought to develop about four weeks after exposure to covid-19.

many of the children never showing symptoms directly caused by the virus. weeks later a majority of cases are presenting with a fever and gastrointestinal symptoms believed to be caused by an abnormal immune response to the virus. 15-year-old darr anna dyson developed stomach pain and rash around mother's day. she tested positive for covid antibodies. a few days later she was dead. now one of four children to die here in the u.s. >> you need to really understand that this kills people. >> reporter: in new york city alone, there are now 147 suspected cases. >> i think it's going to get much worse before it gets better. i think that's the tip of the iceberg. >> nbc's kristin dahlgren joins me now. it's so good to see you. the mother, grief of that mother losing a child. what are you learning about that's promising for some of these kids? >> right, and there's some good

news. we've seen four kids die here in the u.s., but the cdc really pointing out yesterday in that call that if this is treated early, if parents and doctors recognize the symptom they are having, they're having great success. while we have been hearing about covid-19 and how difficult it can be to treat, this inflammatory syndrome, they have treatments that appear to be working in these early cases. it appears it shows up about 46 weeks after a covid-19 infection, even when kids don't know they've had the virus. and it's this overactive immune response. what they're doing is using some treatments they use to treat overactive immune response to tamp down the immune system. most of the kids are going home from the hospital within days. so a bright spot but really they want parents and doctors to be on the lookout for the symptoms here. >> such an important warning. kristen dahlgren, thank you very

much. you also spoke with one doctor who successfully treated a 12-year-old girl with this illness. what have you learned there? >> julia daly. she was one of the first cases down near new orleans. she went in and they saw this inflammation. she was actually in cardiac arrest. so severely, severely ill. i asked her doctor about what he saw. they had not seen anything like this before. listen to what he told me. how dramatic was juliet's turnaround? >> she came in really near death. and within a matter of days we were able to get her off the ventilator, breathing on her own and get her out of the hospital within ten days. >> so they are seeing these dramatic turnarounds. that's important for parents to know. this is very scary, and the thing is, it's so random at this point. they don't know how to predict which children may be getting sick. and so that's why they want to

get these kids seen right away, possibly into the hospital right away, and on these treatments which do seem to be working, andrea. >> so the early warnings and public education. thank you for what you're doing on all of this, kristen. and another big worry as the country begins to reopen, when can colleges and universities open their doors for in-class teaching? notre dame announced it's opening its campus two weeks earlier and will go straight through thanksgiving without any breaks. nyu and boston college also announcing plans for students to come back to campus but with social distancing restrictions. fear of the second wave of coronavirus, california state university, the nation's largest four-year public university system, decided it's going to hold most of its classes online, at least for the fall. joining me now is a former supreme allied commander and also spent five years as dean of fletcher school at tufts university outside of boston. it's that context where you have been advising a number of

universities and colleges. what is your advice for how it's possible to have on-campus learning with dorm life, some have greek systems, colleges, sororities, how do you keep a social distancing and monitor it? >> first of all, recognize it's going to be a hard problem. but what i have been telling presidents and deans i have been chatting to about this issue, andrea, is number one the good news is you've got a young population that will be reasonably capable of resisting this. but you've got to have plans to deal with outbreak. number two, communicate, communicate, communicate. that's not just to the students who are coming. it's also to the faculty who are much more vulnerable to this. you've got to get that faculty on board. number three, what you alluded to, different exiles are going to take different approaches here. you did not mention, for example, oxford university in

great britain, one of the oldest and most prestigious in the world, has announced they're going to go online essentially for all of the next academic year if you can imagine. at the other end of the spectrum, we are seeing schools that will simply open, do the best they can to space things out, and see what happens. my advice to presidents and deenz is don't react to peer pressure. do whattes go to work for do what is going to work for your university. time people out, less people in the classrooms as a norm during the day, or you compress as you see a number of schools do so you have the ability to avoid that resurge when students come back, for example, from a thanksgiving break. so overall complicated but i'm quite encouraged by what i'm seeing. >> should schools take into consideration whether they're in a hot spot such as new york city, a dense area where it's

harder to keep social distancing in an area such as new york and some of the other states? there have been really big problems they finally managed to conquer as the curve comes down. >> absolutely. and this is that complicated set of variables, this kind of rubrics cube of number of students. how big are the physical spaces of your campus? can you move some classes outdoors? are you in, as you point out, a zone that is already hot to begin with? can you get enough masks? are you going to mandate that everywhere on the campus? what are you going to do about socializing? the big rubrics cube. i'm very impressed with their approach. and i will give a shot out in the academic world to a very

measured, hybrid approach, some online, some physical presence. another thing some schools are doing, andrea, thinking maybe we'll bring in the freshmen class. so they get that first experience. but the sophomore class will do part of the year online, the junior class will flip and do the other semester online. seniors will come back. that will give you a 50% loading on campuses. there's all kinds of creative solutions. i think american higher education is going to react well to this. >> thanks so much admiral. the role of omb director and someone with the experience you're pointing out at perdue. >> next time we'll get back to talking about north korea. >> indeed. we will indeed. i also want to talk about the states that have been hardest hit by covid-19. a plan to fund those states is co-sponsored by new jersey

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the coronavirus pandemic has ravaged state budgets across the country with revenues plummeting, as local economies grind to a halt. look at the snapshot showing state tax revenue in april this year compared to last year. governors are now warning of drastic cuts, layoffs for teachers, first responders. but mitch mcconnell and president trump both are saying

that the $3 trillion house aid package with local and state money passed friday night is dead on arrival, drawing fire even from a new york republican congressman peter king. >> the fact that mitch mcconnell is refusing to even consider any type of aid to state and local governments at a time when new york state and suffolk county, which i also represent, they have incredible budget problems and these are directly traceable to the coronavirus. all of this taunk alk of bankru and all of that by mitch mcconnell is shameful. >> joining me now is democratic congresswoman michael sherrel of new jersey who was part of the push for $500 billion for states and local governments. welcome. what is your path to getting this done given the opposition from the senate republicans and the white house? >> thank you so much, andrea.

this is the menendez bill in the house that was done by bipartisan support. so many state and local governments, the let them go bankrupt answer is not working for us. here in morris county, there are only services for three counties. we had over 10,000 911 calls. they had another county come into their test center and have not received any county support yet. it's important we support our counteries and municipalities. with revenues down and hard-hit areas like new jersey, really taking up the slack, we've got to have some support. >> one of your colleagues and others in the house and senate bipartisan are talking also about getting money directly to americans themselves, proposing having the federal government pay the salaries of workers.

there does seem to be some support for that but i'm not sure exactly how you would get that through the senate or a presidential veto. >> so i'm actually co-sponsoring that piece of legislation. and republicans in the senate have a similar piece of legislation. i think that's gaining support as well. because in too many areas like in new jersey, the ppp is not working that well for many people. some of my business owners have told me the 75/25 breakdown the treasury put in place is not working. they're afraid to take out these loans because eight weeks is not going to be enough. they already have furloughed workers and why would they bring them back on when the state is still shut down for many businesses? looking beyond that, looking at how we can do better by small businesses i think is critical. >> let me also ask you how you're doing. i think you have four kids. you're home schooling.

you're holding up -- you're working, doing your work in congress as well, military veteran. how are you managing all of this? >> oh, thank you for asking, andrea. in fact, so far we've got started i had to tell everyone and threaten them with no dessert if they couldn't keep quiet for a few minutes. there's a lot going on. like so many families right now, we're trying to work at home, we're trying to home school kids. so i think -- i'm just encouraging people this weekend, this memorial day weekend, to give themselves a little bit of a break if they can. maybe spend some time even on skype or friends and family and just really try to take maybe a mental health day there, because we've really had a hard couple of months here in new jersey. >> i know you have. i would be the last person to get in the way of your children's desserts. so, please, have them have an extra dessert on me for the

interruption. thank you very much and have a very good memorial day to you and all of our veterans, we think of you on this day and every day. thank you. >> thank you. now, we will take a moment to remember some of the lives well lived, some of the lives shortened by this coronavirus. nick brought joy to his world at the iowa state fair. he would emcee the karaoke machine, putting people at ease mixing audio. they were all singing their hearts out in front of the crowd. last month mick lost his father to covid-19 and two weeks after that mick died from the virus. mick blubaugh was only 62 years old. marie pino spent four decade teaching and caring for children on the alamo reservation in new mexico. her son was a basketball coach to some of these kids. last week marie lost her son to covid-19 and she became sick as well. and pino passed away nearly a month after her son.

she was 67. and dr. james mahoney was a force to be reckoned with. for 40 years he cared for the people of brooklyn. as the coronavirus can took hold of new york city, dr. mahoney worked in the intensive care un hospital by day and at night kings county hospital center. at home he was conducting telemedicine with patients. at 62, charlie, as he was known to his friends, could have retired and been safe and away from these risks but dr. mahoney wouldn't be anywhere else. he spent the last week of his life as a patient in the hospital he worked for decades, surrounded by some of the people who loved him most. dr. james mahoney died on april 27th.

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his trade mark campaign rallies are on hold, but president trump is still with taxpayers-funded trips. the vice president is in florida today. apparently democratic

presidential nominee joe biden is limited to online programming, last night -- >> it's like saying if you injected clorox. come on, man, what in god's name is he doing? joining me is kate beningfield, deputy campaign manager for joe biden. good to see you. what about the president taking the drug and the other advice. a lot of people will listen, but he is being effective, isn't he? in terms of the way he's communicating his point of view. >> if you want the of thing suggesting a dangerous drug, that's not successful.

what he's trying to do is run a -- and try to not have a conversation to how we've gotten to where we are in this crisis. what joe biden is doing is talking about the fact people don't have to settle for this kind of leadership. they don't have to settle for a president who has so badly michiganag mismanaged this crisis. he's doing virtual events. he 'ta he's talking to people on the ground and talking about the things he will do as president to build back better. ultimately i think that's better communication. that's not what donald trump is doing. >> the president tweeted at threat to michigan. he misstated what michigan has

done. they sent out an e-mail about requesting a ballot. but now he's threatening to withhold money from michigan. how concerned are you about efforts by the administration, by the president, to limit mail-in balloting, which might be much safer if this pandemic is still an issue? >> well, look, donald trump is very good at saying the quiet part out loud. this is the latest in a long string of things he's said when more people have access to vote, republicans don't do well. he's saying very unequivocally the more people who exercise their right to vote, the bigger risk to me, to other republicans in office. the fact he's tying it to badly needed aid in a time of crisis is unacceptable, almost

unimaginable, actually. i think what joe biden has been advocating, and what democrats across the board have been advocating is expanded access to the ballot. that's, you know, vote by mail. that's also vote in person options where it's safe to do so, but at the end of the day we fundamentally believe that people need to access their right to vote. i think what donald trump and the republicans will find in november is they are absolutely right. when more people do come out to vote, they do lose. >> there was a "the washington post" article today, joe biden was trying to reach out to the hispanic congressional caucus and distancing himself from the most powerful surrogate, trying to distance himself from barack obama's policies. i think he's articulated the

things he will do as president to put forward a dramatically different policy. >> he will immediately he is said on day one he will put forward immigration legislation reform. so, you know, for joe biden, he understand at the core of what is so horrific about is an effort to separate -- and he's been clear about what he will do as president. >> let mu just ask you about distancing himself from president obama's immigration policy, which he was part of.

he has said from the outset that ultimately the obama administration got it right. he's also said that the things they were able to achieve together is the proudest piece of his career. it will be dramatically different from the fear-based immigration policy that donald trump has instituted. >> we'll have to leave it there. kate, thank you. that's does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." stay safe out there. chuck todd and katy further --

tur pick up our coverage after the break. tur pick up our coverage after the break.

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