us. and on behalf of all of our colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night from our temporary field headquarters. president trump visits a ford factory and refuses to wear a face mask on the public part of his tour. also, the cdc issues new guidance about the coronavirus, now saying it does not spread easily on most surfaces or objects. and we're getting a better idea of who may be chosen as joe biden's running mate and what we're learning about his vp short list. good friday morning,

everybody. it is may 22nd. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we're going to begin with the president unable to hold big campaign rallies as he so likes to do turned another official presidential stop into a back drop for his campaign yesterday. this time in battleground michigan, touring a ford factory that was repurposed to make ventilators. the president made a re-election pitch to reopen the economy, despite warnings from health officials that it is too soon for some areas to do so. >> americans who need and want to return to work should not be vilified. they should be supported. unlike many politicians and journalists, for those who earn a living with their own two hands, working remotely is just not an option. you don't have the option of doing that. our plan emphasizes safety and protection for returning employees. >> so what the president didn't

mention was that two ford plants had to temporarily close just days ago after workers tested positive for coronavirus. a chicago plant closed and reopened twice in less than 24 hours on tuesday after two workers tested positive there. and a deerborn, michigan, plant had to close temporarily wednesday because a worker tested positive. detroit automakers just reopened their large north american assembly plants on monday. meanwhile, the president refused to keep on his mask while touring the ford plant yesterday as is company protocol. this photo, showing he wore the mask during the private part of his tour, but not in front of news cameras. a ford spokesperson says executive president bill ford encouraged the president to wear a mask. the expectation was that he

would keep it on the entire time. here is what the president had to say about that. >> well, i did wear -- i had one on before in the back area. but i didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it. i had it in the back area. >> did you have the goggles on, too, sir? >> i did. >> and why would you not be wearing it -- >> because in this area -- >> why aren't you wearing it here, sir? >> not necessary. everybody has been tested and i've been tested. in fact, i was tested this morning so it's not necessary. >> but the executives are wearing it. >> well, that's their choice. i was given a choice and i had one on in the area that they preferred it. it was very nice. but they said not necessary. >> what about the example it would set for other americans -- >> well, i think it sets an

example both ways. >> he was strongly encouraged to wear that mask throughout the entire tour and chose not to. michigan's attorney general is criticizing president trump to withhold federal aid to the state for accepting mail-in voting. she slammed the president's comments and argued that there is no sound, legal basis for withholding money from the state. >> if right now he decides that.for political reasons he wants to withhold money from our state, i promise you, michiganers will remember this come november. >> so the president didn't explain what kind of funding he would withhold, but once again criticized mail-in voting without any concrete evidence to support his claims. >> we're not going to go to voting by mail.

voting by mail is wrought with fraud and abuse. what we want is we want good, straight,el honest voting, okay? and by the way, you get a ballot, you're sitting in your bedroom signing it. who knows who is signing it. they pirate these applications. they print new voting forms and then they send them around. obviously there's going to be fraud. we're not babies. >> the centers for disease control and prevention now says while it is possible the illness does not easily spread from touching contaminated surfaces or objects and that there is a low risk that it can be passed

on from animal toes people, the revised guidance clarifies that the virus that causes covid-19 mainly spreads from person to person. and as nursing homes nationwide battle severe covid-19 outbreaks, concerns are growing over a new federal effort to collect data on the impact of the long-term virus and long-term care facilities. the cdc will not require nursing homes to reports deaths and infections that occurred before early may, which would leave the full toll from the pandemic unclear. the new rule was issued on may 8th based on a form posted on the cdc's website. the information only has to go back to the week leading up to their first filing while older data is optional.

t it didn't require nursing homes to submit earlier data, but encouraged them to do so. an earlier form told nursing homes to provide data going back to january 1st. joining me now to get into this, kimberly leonard. good morning to you. great to see you this morning. let's talk about the new cdc guidance saying that the coronavirus does not spread easily from most contaminated surfaces. how do you think this information is going to impact states as they work to reopen?

>> well, hopefully it will be helpful. just because guidance is changing doesn't mean that experts were wrong. it just means that we're learning so much more as you go along and that is just how science works. you keep gathering information. >> do you think this will alleviate the issues as some people try to reopen their businesses as they wipe down surfaces and figure out a plan to keep patrons coming to their businesses safe? >> yes, it could. we've heard so much from businesses and health care facility bes how much cleaning they have to do, how much it's costing them and they're losing a lot of money by doing all of that. hopefully there are ways that

they can find to do that in a way that is not expensive and that is science based. >> let's talk about nursing homes. we don't have the exact numbers, and now we are seeing essentially this report that the nursing homes don't necessarily have to bring their numbers to the cdc but they can sort of provide those numbers only dating back to sometime in mid-may or so. what do you make of this guidance with regard to the nursing homes, especially when you consider the fact that we have heard there could be a wave two in the fall and they need to prepare for that? >> definitely. it was surprising to see the new information out about nursing homes. we know people in nursing homes have been disproportionately affected by this virus. if you're in a nursing home, you

probably need a lot of help getting up, going to the rest room, need to go be fed. so you can't have the same social distancing rules. it's surprising to see there won't be as much reporting potentially moving forward. >> kimberly leonard, thank you. stay close. so the georgia bureau of investigations arrested and charged william brian jr. yesterday, the man who showed the fatal shooting of amhmaud arbery. el lawyers for arbery's family have said the 25-year-old was jogging in a residential neighborhood when the two men went after him. the mcmichaels told police they pursued arbery because he

resembled a burglar and acted in self-defense after he violently attacked them. brian's attorney says his client was nothing more than a witness to the killing. and the fbi says a shooting at an air station in texas yesterday was terrorism related. authorities saying a gunman opened fire at a naval air station in corpus christi, wounding at least one security force member. the coastal base was on lockdown after security responded to a report of an active shooter around 6:15 in the morning. the shooter was initially said to have been neutralized before fbi agents confirmed that he had been fatally shot at the scene. officials say the injured security force member is in good condition and expected to survive. still ahead, new developments in the college admissions scandal as act ris lori loughlin and her husband

plead guilty in the scam. and lightater, a look at who is joe biden's short list for vice president and what he is saying about the vetting process. aying about the vetting process.

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all right. i am back. thank you to bill karins for holding down the fort. seems like these things always seem to happen on a friday. so actress lori loughlin and her husband agreed yesterday to plead guilty for the admission scandal that happened last year. they will be convicted for paying $500,000 to get their daughters admitted to the university of southern california as members of the crew team. they'll plead guilty to conspiracy to commit wire and mail fraud and loughl i n will

spend two months in prison while her husband will serve five months. she'll be subject to two years of supervised release. loughlin and her husband claimed their independence for more than a year. they agreed to ask the judge to dismiss the charges. danny, good morning to you. great to see you on this friday morning. >> good to see you, too. >> you wrote an analysis piece on this case for nbcnews.com. and i want to talk about part of that piece. you talk about this dynamic of wanting to hold out for a trial by jury of your peers, but being worn down by time and by money. talk about this thing that you are calling the trial tax. >> a lot of white collar criminal defendants vow at the outset of their case that they are innocent and they'll fight it all the way to the supreme court. six months, a year in when they've drained their financial

resources and they've had this sword of conviction and trial hanging over their head, often their change their tune and come in and plead guilty. the trial tax is the well recognized rule of thumb that if you exercise your right to go to trial as a criminal defendant in state or federal court, you are going to get a much stiffer penalty than if you had rushed to the courthouse and pleaded guilty right away. it's not a hard and fast procedural rule, but it's something that judges and prosecutors and defense attorneys all know goes on. and it is the trial tax because it penalizes a criminal defendant for exercising their constitutional right to a trial. >> you also say covid-19 has played a part in this plea. we actually saw michael cohen, the president's former attorney and fixer, released him earlier yesterday, as well, you argue in part this. it is a bad time for the world, but a good time for those who are facing sentencing because judges and wardens nationwide

are more inclined to impose noncustodial sentences particularly for first time nonviolent offenders. so in a way, this seemed like maybe it was the good move if you were lori loughlin and her husband because you would receive less harsh sentencing during covid-19. >> if you're a criminal defense attorney with a client who is a low risk offender, this is a very good time to get them in front of a judge by zoom or skype and try to get them sentenced because both federal and state judges recognize there is a real threat of outbreak and infection in prisons and custodial facilities and they don't want to be the judge that committed a defendant or a convicted criminal to a prison and then feel responsible for them getting sick and possibly even dieing. prisons are hot beds ford

covid-19. so this is a good time, and i put that in air quotes, if you are a defendant facing not serious jail time to get in front of a judge and get sentenced as fast as possible. >> yeah. when we were talking about this case earlier before covid-19 and we were talking about a trial possibly for lori loughlin and her husband, there were many years being considered for her. so it seems like they are getting off easy here. danny cevallos, thank you for joining us. still ahead, coronavirus hot spots appear to be emerging in states across the south. also, as governors coast to coast prepare to reopen, there is new information about the cdc conflating viral test results. conflating viral test results.

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welcome back, everybody. i am yasmin vossoughian. as the u.s. continues to reopen virus hot spots are resurfacing in the south. according to doctors in montgomery, alabama, hospitals are feeling the strain and starting to run low on intensive care beds. al.com reports that the four counties making up the metro area have seen a combined 721 new confirmed coronavirus cases since may 4th. that is an increase of 110%. me meanwhile, cases in houston are projected project to increase over the next month. the texas city is one of several southern areas which could see spikes in covid-19 cases as restrictions there are eased. the report by the policy lab at children's hospital of philadelphia found that traffic to nonessential businesses has jumped especially in texas and in florida, as well, which have

moved aggressively to reopen. and reporting by the atlantic finds that the cdc mixed results from two different types of covid tests, overstating the country's ability to test people who are currently infected. there is a crucial difference between viral and antibody tests. a viral test measures if a person has the virus now, while the antibody test records whether someone that had the virus in the past. as the lick puts it, mixing the two tests distorts the numbers states rely on for their determinations to open. virginia stopped the practice with the governor even apologizing for the mistake. for its part, the cdc said in a statement to nbc news, now that serology antibody testing is more widely available, the cdc is working to differentiate

those tests from the viral test and will report this information differentiated by test type, adding this. this is just one presentation of this data. off states have their own presentation of the data that is driving their decisions. incredibly troubling. >> cdc director robert redfield denying reports that the white house rejected his agency's guidelines for reopening the country and says that the coronavirus task force gave constructive criticism on the draft recommendations that were revised and quietly released this week. while down playing any tensions between the cdc and the white house, redfield in an interview with politico just yesterday also said his agency has had, quote, extensive communication with the public throughout the coronavirus response to commit to reinstate cdc briefings that were held nearly daily in the first few months of the

outbreak. politico points out that those were replaced with regular white house briefings. president trump blasted a new columbia university study which found delays in lockdowns caused at least 36,000 deaths calling the research, quote, a political hit job. watch this. >> the columbia university put out a report today that 36,000 people a would have been saved if i guys did social distancing measures just one week earlier. do you believe that? what was your reaction to that? >> i was early, i was so early than anybody thought. i put a ban on people coming in from china. nancy pelosi a week later was dancing on the streets in chinatown so people don't believe what's happening. but i was way early. columbia is an institution that is very liberal. it's a -- i think it's just a political hit job, you want to

know the truth. >> so for his part, dr. anthony fauci agreed with the cdc's findings, but with a caveat. >> the logical thing to say, if you had done it earlier, you likely would have prevented a number of infections. i mean, that's just the way it is. there is no getting away from that. however, i am a little skepticism about models. >> joining me once again, kimberly. president tru president trump has had predictions, how many people died, how many more could die. but you have this shocking report from the "new york times" that says had you closed seven days earlier than we had across this country, thousands upon thousands of lives would have been saved. mothers, fathers, daughters, brothers, sisters.

unbelievably so. and you had the president amid this calling it a political hit job. what is your reaction? >> well, i think that looking back, it's always easy to say what we could have done differently. that's often what happens in public health. you know, you look at the lessons learned. when i think back about that time during the virus, there was still a lot that we didn't know about asymptomatic people and how it could be spread and, really, all the different symptoms that the virus carried. so as dr. fauci often says, yes, hindsight is 2020, but you have to work with the information that you have and change it as you learn more. >> so let's go with that for a moment, then. do you think these numbers, a study like this, because this is the worry here. you have the president calling it a political hit job. these astounding numbers coming from the "new york times" with this study. yet we are facing down the

barrel a phase two in the fall and the question so many americans are asking are we prepared to tackle a phase two? will we save lives that second time around? so the question is will they be more prepared the second time around? will they shut down earlier if, in fact, they have to and it's not known that they necessarily will have to shut down, but will they shut down earlier if, in fact, they have to in order to save lives considering a study like this in the "new york times"? >> well, that will be up to the administration to decide with them being skeptical of this and with the president being so vocal about how he wants to reopen the country and get the economy moving again. it's hard to know whether he'll be willing to shut everything down again. but certainly we're hoping that the amount of time that it takes before all of that happens mean not only that we can start to learn more about the virus, but that hopefully hospitals can prepare a lot better, that they can perhaps expand their icus,

that they can institute different protocols that make sure that, you know, they're able to continue taking care of noncoronavirus patients and things like that. so there's just a lot that will come into play. >> all right. kimberly leonard, thank you as always. good to see you this morning. appreciate it. so with less than three months until the democratic convention, joe biden's vice presidential short list is continuing to take shape. a growing number of people have advanced to a round of intense vetting. florida congresswoman val demings has form equally begun interviewing with biden's campaign and that vetting process is now under way. a person with direct knowledge telling nbc news. amy klobuchar has asked biden's team to undergo vetting and wmur reports that new hampshire senator maggie hassan has agreed

to be vetted. and earlier this week, michigan governor gretchen wittmer disclosed that she has been in touch with biden's team calling the discussion an opening conversation. last night, the former vice president weighed in on the process. >> well, no one has been vetted yet by the team. we have those team of lawyers that go out and do the vetting, no one has been vetted. there's been a team put together to go down a general list of people and ask them questions, are they interested, why would they be interested in or not interested in the job, etcetera. that process is coming to an end now. >> i've got to say, even the former vice president gets a dog bark in the background on his interview with stephen colbert. with that, let's switch gears and bring in nbc meteorologist bill karins who i get to say good morning to you, bill.

you always come through, my friend. >> yeah. well, i didn't have to finish the whole show. that would have been a lot worse. yesterday, we had our announcement from the government that said about the hurricane season and all the forecasts from all the different industries, private and public. and it looks like we're in for, unfortunately, an above average season. sheer why. the water in the oceans is warmer. and a lot of this has to do with being on a warmer planet. and right now, we actually have record water temperatures in the areas of the gulf of mexico. but the main development reason is between africa and the caribbean and we expect the wind shear to be height, too, as we trend towards a la nina. all of this equals an active season. the forecast from noaa calls for a 60% chance of an above normal season. if it is an above normal season, it will be the fifth consecutive year in a row. obviously, the things we worry about the most are the hurricanes and especially the major hurricanes. they're saying we could have 3

to 6. they're not saying where they're going to go. the technology is not great enough. we don't know where they're going to go. all we know is conditions are favorable for a good number of storms and you can see last year, we only had three major hurricanes. dorian grabbed all the headlines being one of the strongest if not the strongest we've ever seen in the atlantic basin. our friends from dallas into areas of oklahoma, we have a risk of severe weather today. even the possibility of a few strong tornados .so dallas/ft. worth area to wichita falls, mccallister, pay close attention later this afternoon towards this evening. the other story is the rainfall from this morning to washington, d.c., that will be spreading northwards into baltimore and philadelphia. and it looks like a rainy saturday in areas around new york city. things will be improving, though, in the northeast as we go throughout the holiday weekend, yasmin. if anyone is heading to the beaches, especially in the mid-atlantic and the northeast, expect it to be chilly while the nonshore breeze and the wear temperatures are cool. it's early for beach season in the northeast.

>> it's still a little bit early. but any sunshine is appreciated. thank you, bill. still ahead, we go live to cnbc for an early look at what is driving the day on wall street. as we go to break, a bright spot amid the global pandemic. falling pollution levels brought about by lockdowns may have been shining an impact on sunshine as the telegraph reports parts of britain are enjoying the sunniest spring on record. with more than a week left in may, data from the university of redding's weather observatory show that there have been more hours of sunshine this year than the previous reported high in spring of 1990. a study found there has been an estimated 17% drop in carbon emissions globally compared to last year. we're back in a moment. compareo last year. 'rwee back in a moment my gums are irritated.

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trans-pacific partnership which would have destroyed the auto industry. i didn't ask you about that, bill. i c i think you agree. you do. would you please stand up and nod that you agree. your industry would have been destroyed had that deal gone through. not only yours, by the way, but other countries would have been very happy. so i don't know. i don't know how the hell unions aren't endorsing trump instead of the standard democrat, a democrat that doesn't even know where he is. >> so that is president trump, as you see there, slamming the united autoworkers union for its endorsement of joe biden during his speech yesterday at a ford plant in michigan. last month, the uaw each board announced its endorsement of the former vice president. let's go to business now. nearly 39 million americans have filed for unemployment benefits in the nine weeks since the coronavirus began to ravage this

economy. yesterday, the department of labor announcing another 2.4 million people applied for unemployment benefits last week. this is following a steady decline or initial filings of the record 6.9 million jobless claims filed back in late march. as the next $3 trillion economic relief bill sits stuck in the senate, treasury secretary steve mnuchin is voicing the need for another another stimulus package. talk us through this, juliana. we have this house bill that passed the house sitting in the senate awaiting any sort of vote that will be -- that will come through on it and yet you also have mnuchin saying we need another stimulus package. >> that is right. the treasury secretary already looking ahead to what more may be needed, suggesting there is a

strong likelywood we could see further stimulus, we could need further stimulus. this comes as this house democrats bill remains stuck and it has senate republicans have taken particular issue with one of the elements around unemployment insurance. this is a suggestion to extend $600 per week of unemployment insurance. so this is one of the sticking points here. but the treasury secretary said for now, they're going to sit back, think very clearly about what more may be needed and where those funds may go. so don't expect anything additional just yet. he did weigh in in terms of recovery projections saying that he expects q2 figures in terms of the economic figure toes be dreadful before the economy then recovers in the second half of 2020. now, the federal reserve chairman has also weighed in on the economic outlook. we've obviously had a huge amount of stim ewe also, not only from congress, but from the federal reserve. so jerome powell reporting

yesterday this is a down turn without modern precedent. he said it's impossible to project the trajectory from here. he weighed in yesterday in front of congress and the senate banking committee that additional policy additional me be needed. he emphasized m ed how it is important to be nimble, given how much uncertainty lies ahead. >> amidst the shutdown of this economy, looks like twitter and facebook are moving to a more permanent work from home option, wondering if others will follow suit. what more do you have on this? >> that's right. we have heard from facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg that he expects about 50% of the company's work force to remain working from home for the next five to ten years. effectively, saying these measures that have been put in place as a result of the pandemic will become relatively permanent. interestingly, he warned full-time employees may have to take pay cuts, depending on where they choose to live. people have the interesting question, a lot of people,

especially in the tech sector, do they want to live where the kpaep companies are based or go elsewhere and potentially take a lower salary as a result. it'll be adjusted based on tax purposes based on location. >> yeah, it opens up a wide array of possibilities, if you're able to work from home all the time. julianna tatelbaum live from london. thank you so much. have a nice weekend. up next, everybody, a look at axios' one big thing. coming up on "morning joe," congresswoman pramila jayapal joining the conversation to discuss the effort on capitol hill to provide relief for americans affected by the pandemic. also, a check-in with former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb about where the country stands as states reopen for business. "morning joe" is moments away. right now, there are over a million walmart associates doing their best to keep our nation going. because despite everything that's changed, one thing hasn't and that's our devotion to you

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morning. >> good to see you. >> talk to us about axios' one big thing. >> happy friday, as mike allen would say. we're looking at the new sort of big movement in politics, which is zoom moms. this is all the women, republicans, democrats, independents, who are gravitating and moving all of their conversations online to large zoom conversations. they tend to be -- a lot of the conversations tend to be about politics. they tend to be a lot of the voters who are decisive in presidential elections. remember, in the last 15 elections, women have been better voters than men. more women vote than men. and the target for republicans has always been the suburban women. in our polling, we're finding a lot of them are zoom moms. they're taking their political discussions to zoom. both campaigns are targeting this group of women. and it is going to require, by the way, clever, new ways of reaching them. you can't advertise on zoom. everybody's world is different

today than it was three months ago. campaigns are going to have to be clever as they think about, how do we turn out the persuadable voters, a lot of whom are gathering on zoom or related technologies? >> so how are they planning on reaching them? >> the democrats had been doing a lot more of it. they've been polling pretty clearly, trying to figure out exactly who are these zoom moms. one way they're doing it is try to congregate women who are persuadable voters, might be activists on zoom. one of the interesting things on our polling, a relatively small sample size on this question, but people talking about politics tend to be drinking at the same time. having a glass of wine during happy hour for a conversation. you have political operatives trying to join in on the conversations, and use the fact that you can gather people in relatively large numbers at a low cost, to be able to talk to them about politics. i think you'll see a similar

movement among a lot of republicans, especially in local races. >> i hope you haven't been peeking in on my zoom calls with my friends because there is usually drinking involved in the conversations. >> you have to give me an invite. >> it's been a while. i mean, you can't expect much more than that. let's talk about some other polling that you guys have been tracking. republicans, it seems, with this new poll, are more likely to attend in-person gatherings than democrats and independents. what more can you tell us about this? >> yeah. if you look at the map, about where we're now seeing a surge in coronavirus cases, a lot of them are now hitting trump country. a lot of the smaller cities, more rural areas. in places where there's a lot more suspicion about some of the government mandates, about lockdowns and behavior. we always knew it'd spread from big cities. when you have tighter groups of people, larger groups of people, you'll have more cases.

this will be sort of the next wave. we'll see if it does spread as fast in rural and smaller communities or trump counties as it does in cities, and whether or not governments in those states can get people who tend to be republicans, who might be trump supporters, who are spectacle of government, to adhere to the policies they're trying to mandate or now, in the case of ohio, trying to gently suggest, instead of mandate. there is definitely a backlash. i think that is the next story of the next couple of weeks. you're seeing more and more people. elon musk did it a couple weeks ago. you're seeing a lot more people speak out and be really suspicious of some of the data, and whether or not there needs to be a lockdown. president trump said yesterday there won't be a second national lockdown. i think there's a feeling in the white house that there probably was an overreaction in some states, even though those states would disagree. i think this is going to be a big, big debate. because the outcome of that

debate will dictate how different states handle a second wave, if it comes, as many of the health experts assume it will, if not this summer, in the fall. >> well, i hope more lives are not lost amidst this debate, right? that's the most important thing with this ongoing pandemic, as we see a phase two of it resurge again in the fall. let's talk quickly about the new reporting from axios that is interesting to me. questions about jobs and the economic fallout from the coronavirus. they're sweeping google searches. how is this comparing with health-related searches about the virus? also, the timing, were folks searching more health sides of the virus, and now economy? >> we not media pay more attention to what happens on the front page of the "new york times," what we write, what you guys are talking about on your show. in fact, there's way more people that are on google, right, or facebook. it is interesting to see the

trends. what google is finding in terms of what people are searching, it's moved on from questions of, how do i get sick, what are the symptoms, to the economic fallout. where do i get a job? how long will this last? what's going to be the effect on my retirement plan that i have? that's natural, right? you see unemployment now looking like it is going to hit 20% to 25%. you see lots of people who had jobs who don't have jobs. you see a lot of households, you know, almost half saying they have less income today than they did three months ago. very natural. i think it is also confusing for your average person, who is not marinating in the news, when they see the stock market continuing to go up and, yet, they see their friends out of work. they see restaurants closed. they're trying to make sense of it, so they're searching for answers. >> all right. jim vandehei, stand by. we're going to see you at the top of "morning joe." appreciate it, my friend. i'll be reading axios am in a little