country. they're getting ready. tomorrow, cars will be whipping around. people here are happy because they're taking it as a stage of recovery. again, without fans. it's the other businesses that are affected when this speedway isn't open. >> we didn't even -- we didn't get the unemployment yet, didn't have any money for food. we turned around and taking it out of our pockets handing them money to buy money. >> how many folks in. >> 1340. it's -- all three of us who own it, how are we going to do this? what are we going to do? it's heartbreaking. thank god that now we're

bringing half of them back, coming back this week, the other half next week, we're not opening up until next week, at the end of next week. >> so the end of that next week marker, brian, the stands will be socially distancing. . they'll be closed off some of the seats where family can seat together. in places like indiana, it's tire company that runs off the speedway the car company that runs off the tire company, those dominos start falling, you get an idea of the businesses that are affected. >> absolutely. auto racing is really trying to be the sport to come back. their athletes the drivers, by nature, work alone. the pit crews can try to remain distanced as well as they can. that leaves security,

concessions, but as you point out there, there's such a cascading economy at a local venue like that, these small tracks as they gear head, i can the tell you, friday nights, saturday nights across this country, this is what you look forward to, you can't imagine doing anything else on a summer weekend night. so i really, really feel for that owner. i went to their website and saw that they're going to be at least streaming the races for fans. >> reporter: yeah, exactly. you talked about the security guards. we're happy to get back to work, they're retraining. security guards are wearing t-shirts, everybody 6 feet apart. keep the pit crews apart from each other. when the racer comes off the track, the pit crews go straight in the garage, that's something new, they're working it out. getting this sport back, nascar

has done it, getting this sport back is going to be huge for such a massive amount of people across the country. >> cal perry, plymouth speedway, thank you. nicolle, before i head out, speaking of sports, photographic evidence that we have been here before and as we head into this long weekend where sports remain sidelined or taking place without spectators, there's this photo, this is from 1918, the flu pandemic that the president refers to as the pandemic of 1917, it was taken by a name by thomas frederic carter, these are friends at a georgia tech football game in the middle of the 1918 spanish flu pandemic. all the speck toy tospectators wearing makes. his great-grandson told the

atlanta journal constitution, every time i see the photo reminds me of what they had to deal with back then and we're dye dealing with right now. similar circumstances. nicolle, a veteran or two there in their uniforms, but we have been here before. >> and we used to be known all around the world as the country that could do difficult things and so, i think just listening to the owner of that speedway, the pain is on his face and in his body of having to lay off workers at his track, that ownership group of three obviously pained him. back to something that jim said at the beginning of our hour, there are two conversations going on, some of the nutjobbery that happens of injecting mreech and real people making the hardest decisions of their lives, whether to close a

business or not. they're doing it with the best of intention. if we wear masks to go back to sport, i think 100 people out of 100 people will take that deal. >> yeah, as we head into a holiday weekend, we're thinking of that delicate balance. wishing you and yours a great one. >> same to you. thank you for spending most of us the hour with us. have a great holiday weekend. we're getting an idea now on who's on joe biden's vice presidential candidate. a comment he made about the black community that's making headlines for him today. this is to all who are putting their

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former vice president joe biden says he's still hasn't decided on a running mate but he has promised that when he does, it will be a woman. last night the presumptive democratic nominee acknowledged to stephen colbert that his team is finally vetting candidate. >> reporter: a team put together to go down a preliminary list of people, ask their interests, yen questions, why would they be interested or not interested in the job, et cetera, that process is coming to an end now. >> several contenders indicated this week they're on the short list, among them florida congresswoman val demings who

said she would accept the role if offered it to you. cbs news reporting that senator amy klobuchar has been in the vetting a source tells nbc news, new hampshire's janeen shaheen has declined. joining us is politics nation, the rev al sharpton and nbc contributor betsy woodruff-swan. rev, i want to start with that interviews making headlines as well as the president's order that churches reopen. let's go through. let's unpack all of those. first, on the former vice president. >> i watched the interview that he did and first of all, she's as respected as one can be in the black community and in

general there's no way he's pressing someone in an interview on behalf of donald trump, he presses everyone in interviews and ironically the questions he was raising about vice president biden, i raised and others have raised in interviews. he presses me when i go on the show and we're friends. he is one that wants answers. so i think that his being something other than black is as ludicrous as saying that i'm going to be in the rockettes when radio city opens up again. i can dance but i can't do the rockettes. but the other point is, i think whether it was said in jest by the vice president or not i think symone sanders, said the vice president said it in jest if you have to decide between trump and i you're not black. no one should qualify who's going to be black or anything

else, i think that's inappropriate and i think that clearly the vice president ought deal with his record, many of us questioned the crime bill, but eight years this man was vice president and did things that he can concretely point to including president obama reduce the federal population of inmates by 38,000, he was there. i sat next to him when they announced the whole thing around policing task force, he has a concrete record to run against a man whose own aide omarosa in the white house with donald trump called him a racist. people can be black and still make wrong political decisions, but charlamagne is not one of

them. >> a long wait until november, more questions -- >> you got more questions. if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or trump, you yo ain't black. >> i'd want something for my community. >> take a look at my record, a record that's second to none. the naacp has endorsed every time i run. take a look at the record. >> you know, rev, when you get out of the political circles people are desperate to have a conversation that has nothing to do with trump, is that some of what was afoot there as well? >> absolutely. we're in the middle of a pandemic that's disproportionately hurting black people. we have a stimulus package that many black businesses and businessmen of color that didn't get near their share.

so in the context of that, charlamagne, all of us, you're concerned when you're in a way that you're being disproportionately harmed. >> betsy the other sort of headline that's chasing biden, it's unclear who's chasing the headline the newsmaker or the news media is veepstakes. having worked on three presidential campaigns, there's usually lot more smoke than fire, lot of people are vetted. but this list is remarkable for a couple of reasons, number one, they're all women, no indication that joe biden is looking at other than women and the universe is larger than we sometimes talk about. kamala harris and elizabeth warren have been talked about for weeks. some news popping up.

what do you make of the stage that we're in terms of veepstakes? >> zero percent chance that biden doesn't pick a woman to be his vice president pick. it's not just a huge moment for the biden campaign, it's a huge moment for the democratic party for the next perhaps, 10, 15 years, because biden has said multiple times he sees himself as a transitional candidate, he sees someohimself as someone to the groundwork. there's possible that he may only serve one term, this job of being his vice president could bring more power, ultimately than a typical vice presidential pick. on the republican side, not a lot of folks have expected pence to win and win the presidency after trump.

biden has been fairly explicit that's what he's looking for, this moment brings a ton of scrutiny and pressure to the campaign and a lot of responsibility. >> a new name in terms of someone we're talking about in the media, covering hours and hours of the impeachment trial, is val demings, talk about what she might bring to a ticket, betsy. >> that's right, demings was one of the small number of impeachme impeachme impeachment and the way she talked about her family background coming from a low-income family for the deep south had informed her thinking about not only politics but how government should work and what it means to be an ethical and accountable person in government. demings was also the chief of police in orlando, florida, she

has deep ties to the orlando community she and her husband are influential power brokers in orlando, florida. a must-win state for biden and a state where president trump is heavily investing. it's possible of her networks and relationships there could be an asset if biden ends up choosing her to be her running mate. >> interesting times. thank you both so much. it's wonderful to see both of you. when we return -- the new normal in air travel after this image made the rounds on social media. what are airlines doing now to keep us safe? us safe aleve it. aleve is proven stronger and longer on pain than tylenol. when pain happens, aleve it. all day strong.

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this memorial day weekend, the new normal in terms of air travel is still an unfamiliar and unsettling sight for most of us. reports of airlines packing reduced number of flights to capacity, airlines and airports now require face masks and six

feet of separation, more than 300 airports are even calling on the tsa to check every passenger's temperature at security. the tsa hasn't done that. but it has released tighter security guidelines to reduce person to person contact, requiring passengers to scan their own boarding passes, this photo tweeted by a san francisco doctor of quote scared and shocked passengers on a crowded united airlines flight. united has changed its policy allowing passengers on crowded flights to re-book on a flight or receive a travel credit. this week, united airlines announced a clean-plus standard, a partnership with clorox and cleveland clinic on disinfecting procedures. joining us with more is david gura. david, we've been talking about

air travel mid-pandemic, we're still moving to the far end of the sidewalk when we pass other people even with our masks on, talk about where we are right now in term of the airline industry? >> i called up an faa aviation, when you board a plane these days you're boarding with your carry-on bag but also boarding with a fear and lack of trust in all of this. the airlines are acutely aware of this. we have seen the airlines themselves and airports trying to put in place procedures and policies that are going to make passengers more comfortable. we'll see the glass partitions at ticket counters, at the gates, lot more you the passenger will have to do. a number of airlines have begun restrict to access to middle seats on planes. it's easy to do because they're not selling them, demand is so low, what's interesting is, you know, there hasn't been any

effort to reconfigure the way planes are set out, they're not taking out middle seats from these planes. the relationship on board between you and the flight attendant is going to be really different. you might find a bottle and sna snacks on your seat. minimal interaction with other people. they're restricting alcohol service on a number of airlines, they worry what that might lead to. so, you've got airlines trying to be entrepreneurial, but things that are beyond their control. when you get off that airplane, you go to baggage claims, fighting to get your bag when it comes around, that involves more than a simple fix. so it's early days yet. we'll see what happens. nicolle, there hasn't been a lot of government leadership on this front.

this is a really unprecedented time. you hook at 9/11, that was different. the financial crisis, that was different as well. there are some 13,000 planes that are grounded at this point in time. all of the money in the c.a.r.e.s. is going to these airlines to keep them afloat until the fall. >> are plane tickets cheap right now? is there a price incentive to get people back on flights? >> many tickets are cheap, there are still restrictions on where you can go, you can't still travel abroad. there's interest and demand. it exists. something that you and i talked about early on the business leading in this climate and government is following where that can't happen in this climate is medical testing. there's this debate should tsa

officers be the one taking your temperature when you get ready to board a flight. the tsa don't want to be responsible for that. that's only one facet of this. something that's difficult to overcome is how confident can i be in the person in the other seat over from me is healthy. these are more advanced metrics that need to be put in place that haven't been yet. for people to feel truly comfortable to get back on planes, more testing nationally, more contact tracing, more policies like that. >> yeah, i have a young child, you have small children, too, if you travel with a child if you're crying you're acutely aware of how minuscule the airline is.

i don't know. i think it's an individual step when you get back on a crowded airplane. david gura thank you. coming up -- donald trump draws the battle lines. democrats are pinning their hopes on science. "deadline: white house" after this. se" after this by bringing together our two networks, t-mobile will build america's largest and most reliable 5g network... with more towers, more engineers, and more coverage. you'll get the best 5g network, and the best prices. welcome to t-mobile. america's largest 5g network.

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reopen the country grow increasingly brazen and untethered to the guidance of the nation's leading public health advisers including his own. this afternoon, donald trump abruptly ordering states to open houses of worship this weekend despite ongoing caution from experts of large gatherings. he made that announcement without taking any questions about his order or threat against governors who don't comply, sparking immediate confusion around how it will work and whether it will put the lives of vulnerable populations at risk. another bold declaration yesterday, he won't move to reissue stay-at-home orders if there's a recurrence of coronavirus in the united states. this comes as the washington post reports on the president's risky strategy to ignore the advice of his own health and

science advisers and go to mattresses on his reopenings. democrats have hitched their political fortunes to the science, saying the president is out of step with public sentiment. quote, the result is a partisan messaging clash that's likely to last for months as the country undergoes what appears to be a gradual release from the paralyzing social distancing policies trump embraced with the nation's governors over 45 days this spring, democrats are positioning themselves as the party of gradual caution and health concern, while trump claims the space of bold action and economic bullishness. a quinnipiac poll out this week, shows 25% of americans favor a slow reopening even if that means a weak economy. dr. tony fauci who serves at the

pleasure of donald trump as the top infectious health expert, finds himself increasely at odds with the president. here's dr. fauci's advice. >> go out, wear a make, stay six feet away from anyone, so you have the physical distancing. go out, go for a run, go for a walk, go fishing, as long as you're not in a crowd or a situation where you can physically transmit the virus and that's what a mask is for and that's with the physical distance. i plan to go out for a nice hike for the memorial day. >> the stub bon methodology of science and data has undermines trump's use of anti-ma lairal drug, hydroxychloroquine is linked to an increased risk of

death in patients suffering from coronavirus. it's not a controlled study. it's a look back on patients who were treated for coronavirus. the washington post notes the sheer size of the study was convincing to some scientists. showing little or no evidence provided any benefit in treating coronavirus patients. the president at war with science as a re-election strategy is where we start today. dr. anna rimoin is back. also with us associated press white house reporter jonathan lemier and mark leifish. >> jonathan, all eyes on the president's announcement not that houses of worship may open but the president having a very sharp tone and a very sharp message in his announcement today, really biting, saying liquor stores were open but

houses of worship weren't essential. will it happen? >> nicolle, certainly a lot of americans have been very anxious for their houses of worship, no matter what their faith, to reopen. the cdc and the white house indicated to reporters that announcement was forthcoming. originally however it was going to be part of the press secretary's briefing today slated for 2:00. only a few minutes' notice, the white house blasted out to reporters the president would be coming to the briefing room to make that announcement. you saw it there. he didn't take any questions and the reason behind it, behind the scenes, nicolle, it's indeed, as much as it's about getting the churches, it's the politics of it. he wanted to be the face of this announcement. he believes this is popular with his base. lot of policy he put forth in

office has been with an eye toward the religious conservative. he believes they need their support in greater numbers this time around. this wasn't going to be he would allow the press secretary or the members of task force announce. he wanted to do it himself. lot of the details are still working out. a scramble here. the president said, churches and other places of worship needed to be open this weekend, he would in his words, overrule or override governors. not exactly sure what that means. as much as the president has been the cheerleader from the white house for the economy and for these states to reopen the moment to moment, day by day, mechanical decisions, those are being made by the states themselves and their governors. >> dr. rimoin, i understand agree that faith is essential, but houses of worship are not structured yet in a safe,

socially distance way. what's your advice to churches on synagogues who heed the president's order? >> it's very important for everyone to think about safety. we all agree that there's so much at stake for people here. it's an emotional decision, it's -- it's a decision of faith, decisions that are related to how people view themselves in the context of the world but we also have to keep people safe. and what we know is that the risk of contracting the virus in places where you have poor ventilation, where you have crowding, where you're in close contact with other people, where you can't social distance that we're at risk. and so i would -- my advice to people would be to think about the science, to think about public health and to balance that. wear a mask, to be in ventilated areas, to maintain social

distancing. these are the keys to keeping people safe and whether or not things open or they close, if we obey the laws of science and public health, that's how we keep people safety. >> doctor, what's your feeling of this reporting, from the washington post and "the new york times." that donald trump's public utterance about the virus are now tied directly to a very, very transparent strategy of his own re-election, to put himself on the side of bullish openings in defiance of his own cdc and public health officials. >> you know, i spent my life working in epidemics and politics and epidemics and in this case a pandemic, are, are inseparable and unfortunately that's what we're seeing roll

out here. any place that we have seen uncertainty in terms of messaging, in terms of what the science tells us, we see politics filling those gaps and the problem is, that we're dealing with a know value virus new to humanity and we're seeing political rhetoric come in in in every place. we can't have political rhetoric be the basis of how we make public health decisions. we can't let politics infect public health. and that's our big problem here. >> mark, i just heard the best political analysis from a doctor, i don't mean to raise the bar for you to now jump over, let me give you some fox news polls to work with -- this is new, we just found out in week seven of the pandemic, a

brand-new disease that's very scary in children, we still are learning, an update today about surfaces not perhaps being as dangerous -- i mean, there's a headline every day what this virus is and isn't, i think it affects the poll numbers. this is from fox news. major problems in dealing with covid-19. 63% think a lack of available testing is a problem for dealing with the pandemic. 61%, lack of a clear federal plan to deal with covid-19. there are still more people worried about a lack of things that donald trump is squarely in charge of, testing supplies and a federal plan and really a number smaller than a trump base is worried about personal freedom and that's 100% true.

we talk about this -- people tend to talk about this as a messaging and political phenomena. but as we're seeing in some of these numbers, people are experiencing this as an incertainty in their day-to-day lives. there's genuine anxiety around this virus that's not only people who have lost people or people who have lost jobs. this isn't a trump-era story that people are experiencing on tv for the most part, like the ukraine scandal and impeachment and russia, these -- donald trump is a tv star and he's seemingly specially over the last few weeks he's kind of treated this as a messaging and a tv story but really, the crux of this story and the emotional impact of this story is in the day-to-day of people's lives. you can't control that from a political strategy. >> we covered the impeachment

investigation hearings into the president because it was only the third time in our country's history that has happened. a story that most people only related to to the degree they saw it on tv or read about it or learned about it. covid is something that people are living. i got into the car, i didn't have my mask. i went back upstairs to get it. people are living in the fear of the pandemic but also the responsibility of being a good person. donald trump has dealt himself out of the pandemic conversation a little bit, he wants to be dealt in the economy conversation, don't you think most people view them as completely braided together? >> i think they do. and it's unclear if he actually wants to be at the forefront of the economy conversation right now, given what's happening with the economy and there are weekly, you know, job numbers that are scary.

i mean, if you sort of look at it, why has donald trump been a major -- he's always the major point of discussion because he's the president and he's donald trump the question, does he take this anti-malariaal drug, these are trump-era issues. they're interesting but these are real-life matters for most people. yeah, it shows you the playbook that he has riden his campaign on three, four years ago, doesn't necessarily translate to what's happening now. >> jonathan, that's such an interesting point. i wonder if the president or anyone around him understand that. another set of poll numbers that have been steady, trump's trustworthiness has been half of

his own approval rating is 20%. dr. tony fauci has been in the high 60s. here's tony fauci saying that he would like to be out there more. >> i think you'll probably be seeing a little bit more of me and my colleagues. a period of time it was a little bit low in being out there with the press but i believe that's going to change. we have been talking with the communications people. we need to get out the scientific issues which i'm predominantly responsible for. hopefully, you'll be seeing more of us hopefully. here's hoping, jonathan, is that likely to transpire? >> well, the doctor was on tv a lot less at the behest of the white house. it's unclear whether he'll be

out there. we did see dr. birx today in the briefing room and not every piece she delivered was good. noting disturbing plateaus and even rises of cases of infections in certain areas including washington, chicago and los angeles, so i think there's certainly a need for the medical professionals, the task force to be out there. the idea of the president only has one playbook and it's the fog machine the smoke machine, it's to distract, to deflect to others and certainly not to take responsibility, to vilify others. he's trying to play that this time around, at least to some degree it was effective during the russia investigation and even perhaps during the ukraine impeachment inquiry. here, though, it's harder to do that because americans see this in everyday life. the president can claim it's being -- or his allies is being overblown by the media, the

democrats it's their fault, or the governors, americans are at home, they're worried about their grandmother, an elderly relative who's sick, they go to the store and they can't find clorox wipes, they're nervous about this fall and whether schools are going to reopen there's an immediacy to this on the health front and on the economic front. that's harder for the president to run away from. >> dr. rimoin, what the public is most hungry for is factual, current accurate information about the pandemic. a couple of the health headlines -- it was reported in the washington post that the virus does not spread easily from contaminated surfaces, is that a change, because i still wipe everything down that comes in the mail with a wipe before i open the box and i wipe everything down and i wash my

hands a hundred times afterward, what are we learning about the virus on surfaces? >> well, i think that this is not necessarily completely new information. the virus is spread from person to person and certainly there's potential for a virus to be spread to inanimate object and what we're guessing is here is that a majority of spread is from droplets, it's from this speech, from breathing, from person to person transmission and so we're focusing -- let's say 10% of transmission, i'm making up these numbers here, right, but if 10% of transmission is from an inanimate object and 90% is from person to person spread, if everyone's focusing on cleaning these objects and not focusing on keeping their droplets to themselves by wearing a mask, social distancing, we end up

with some issues in terms of where people are focusing their effort the most and not actually focusing on how we can stop transmission. so i do believe it's still important to be able to attack this on all fronts, that includes making sure that yo keep things as clean as you can, hand hygiene, disinfecting surfaces, but social distancing, masks are the key here. person to person spread the way you stop that is staying far away from somebody and wearing mask. >> reporter: dr. rimoin, jonathan lemier and mark, thank you so much. coming up -- was the unmasking of michael flynn not really a unmasking? and more of secretary of state pompeopompeo's moonlighti

disguised as government business. plus, donald trump's coronavirus empathy gap. all those stories coming up.

breaking news this hour, we're learning that fbi director chris wray is ordering an internal review of the investigation into former trump administration national security adviser mike flynn, whether there was any misconduct of any current employees at the fbi and what improvements if any needs to be made. surrounding the conspiracy theory that trump and his allies are peddling that the unmasking of flinn was part of a bigger plot against the obama administration. quote, when the fbi circulated

the report they included flynn's name from the beginning because it was essential to understanding its significance that's according to a former senior u.s. official who spoke anonymously to describe sensitive intel. quote, therefore no requests of the unmasking of that information. let's bring in frank figliuzzi. i made a quick count on my fingers of all the people who have examined the russia investigation. john huber tapped when jeff sessions still ran doj to look into the origins of the russia investigation. john durham has turned his probe into a criminal one. how intel committee, senate intel committee has looked into this and now we have chris wray looking at this. what are they looking for in. >> we also had u.s. attorney jensen who looked into this and

he said it's pretty much done. so here's what's happening -- the fbi succeeds or fails on its kreblts. its credibility has been bashed by the white house and others now for three years. this is a time now for them to come up for air and christopher wray exercise the authorities he can, he has no authority over x employees whether it's comey, mccabe, strzok or page, he has to know whether practices can be improved, he needs to understand this in his own context and what we're seeing is, fbi inspections conducting an internal inquiry to help restore the public trust in the bureau that it can take care of its own business and it's nothing more and nothing less.

this is an internal inquiry and if anything, be careful what you ask for you might get it. he might conclude that everything was by the book. >> some patterns here to look back at, when the doj inspector general, i think he's the only still there had that dramatic day of testimony about the fisa process, christopher wray was put on his heels, you were on the air with me talking about what a moment this was for christopher wray and he acknowledged the mistakes, he made announce thamt the bureau will reform itself. and he does happen to still be there. does that bode well for him or in the eye of trump watchers put him in this precarious position of him actually being independent? >> he's between a rock and hard place. you just hunker down and do the right thing.

it's my impression that director wray is trying to do the right thing and run the agency as independently as he can. his authorities are for internal inquiries. i think he's working for the american people. i think this investigation will tell us whether the fbi followed its own rules in the course of the flynn investigation. >> let me ask you one more question, then another headline today, what is still unknown? adam schiff today called for that conversation the conversation that we still haven't seen, the transcript between mike flynn and russia ambassador kisylak. he had a conversation with russia ambassador kisylak. flynn made commitments of easing

restrictions. we have never you understood why he lied at it when the fbi came in and asked him about that conversation, but neither have we ever seen the transcript of this call. you have adam schiff calling for that one to come out. susan rice, had some her e-mails declassified. if transparency is the cure, why not release that transcript between flynn and kisylak? >> indeed, when the president has given attorney general barr to declassify whatever he wants. it turns out, he'll only declassify what helps the president. be careful what you ask for you might get it. i'm looking forward to the potential release of a transcript between mike flynn and the ambassador and we know that senator lindsey graham is making great hey of the hearings

he's going hold, if you're going to accuse these people of unmasking or getting their hands on flynn's name, you better be prepared for them to say it was a completely valid request for me to know who was undermining authority. i think it's going to be very damning for mr. flynn if we see that conversation. >> a legal process under way as well, the judge in the mike flynn case, judge sullivan has appointed another former judge and former prosecutor, mr. gleason to take a look at this, is that a process that could shine more light on that transcript, could that come out somehow through that process? >> yes, that's less likely. but i have to tell you the big clue that's something's amiss with this whole process of requesting and dismissal is the

fact that judge sullivan has appointed someone to essentially handle all of the data that's coming into this that seems to be in conflict. more likely what we're going to see is evidence of undue pressure on u.s. attorney general at the district of columbia to make this dismissal happen. he did it in the rush. he used it the wrong identifying number for himself on the brief. we'll see evidence that the former assistant director at the fbi saying, it was mischaracterized. we'll siee doj say, my intervie was twisted in all of this. it's going to look very bad for attorney general barr. he said, i don't want to any legal process for political prosetszs as we get up to an election. he's starting to sweat, nicolle. >> look forward to it.

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secretary of state mike pompeo can't stop making headlines this week. today "the new york times" reports pompeo has taken at least three meetings essentially, quote, off the books, with conservative donors during the course of his official duties as the country's secretary of state. two of them are on the way back from state trips. one in london. another in florida. the third meeting was with republican megadonor charles koch on an official trip to kansas made aboard a government ashlgt. quote, in each of those instances mr. pompeo didn't put

the visits on his public schedule. -- traveling about the meetings. they took place as mr. pompeo was considering a run for the senate from his adopted home state of kansas. you'll recall this week start of the story, pompeo and his use of agency's resources, the report of those lavish madison dinners for hundreds of guests at the state department, paid for by you the taxpayer and whether he fired the state department inspector general over an inv t investigation into an arms sales to saudi arabia. john heilemann and political strategist and msnbc political

analyst steve schmidt. if there's one thing that donald trump hates it's bad headlines for anybody but himself. you go back to all these secretaries who are now, you know, barely even footnotes in the history of the trump administration, all of the demise of each and every one of them began with a blistering series of investigating reporting, in this case it's "the new york times" state department reporter whose byline has been on every piece of development. but pompeo has not acted in a way that looks ethical from the outside and the firing of the ig may have just caused a swarm of investigative journalism and perhaps even congressional investigations over him. >> right, so a couple of things pull in opposite directions here, nicolle, we discussed on this show, i think donald trump would happily fire all of the

inspector generals. fire them all and not replace them. the firing of the ig isn't the problem, it's also not really the problem that mike pompeo has gotten into controversies the problem with trump -- the thing that trump objects to, people who are trying to profit off of trump, financially, which is why he's made at brad pascale or politically, what you see, and getting attention in the process, steve bannon on the cocover of the time magazine, or cabinet secretaries you mentioned, the problem becomes when you start to hug the spotlight from trump and it's in a negative way and in process of trying to enrich yourself, this is what pompeo is doing here, he's trying to enrich himself politically, and trump

absolutely despises that. someone trying to cash in on trump with his political capital. it spells -- look, we'll see what happens. he likes pompeo, but pompeo is heading down a path that's very familiar and it doesn't go to a good place. >> i almost laughed out loud when john said, he likes pompeo, he likes no one and i think he has found pompeo a reliable stooj if you will. pompeo was on the phone with zelensky. but mike pompeo has always been a partisan political animal but no one thought he was a dummy, some of this conduct is so hue brisistic and from a political standpoint is just dumb. >> and so unbecoming, nicolle, he graduated first in his class

at west point, what a disappointment, seemingly one of the more corrupt of the trump cabinet members. you're right, he's been one of the trump's president's fiercest defenders. like a cast of characters around this administration, they're looking i head. they're looking ahead to maybe a biden victory. but looking ahead to his own presidential campaign. i should just add that this is a moment of unparalleled american weakness. we have a gaggle of foreign leaders, our allies all standing together laughing at the president of the united states who they regard as a buffoon, clown, a liar, our diplomacy has never been at a lower point, he's the architect of a national security policy, riding shotgun with donald trump that has brought america to its weakest and lowest moment in its 75 years that have passed since the end of the second world war through this afternoon, he's

done a terrible job as secretary of state, but he's one of the heirs to trumpism who will certainly try to rise from crown prince to king of the hill in the next, next couple of years. >> steve schmidt, someone asked me, and it wasn't exactly like this, how bad is pompeo? i said he's so bad that he stayed and did things that john bolton wouldn't do. you look at the corruption or from the outside, what looks like the corruption of mike pompeo who was sort of viewed in the right-wing circles a rising star, he was donald trump's wingman and enabler for impeachment, things that from what we have seen from john bolton's book, john bolton refused to do, calling ukrainian president zelensky and saying, sit down with rudy and whatnot. what happened to him, steve schmidt in. >> i don't know what happened to

him. although i can say it's been a story as old as history that power corrupts and so, you know, this is somebody at some point had idealism, he's a west point graduate, we don't lie, cheat, steal at west point as the motto goes, i can't explain why he lacks any sense of reck tuesday. something that hillary clinton didn't do when she was secretary of state. the republicans would have been screaming would have been able to hear it from mars if she did the stuff that pompeo's doing right now. again, it's unseemingly conduct. he's been a bad secretary of state. the question is, during the pompeo tenure in the trump presidency, is the united states more respected or less respected in the world? it's profoundly less respected

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loss of 100,000 americans to coronavirus. donald trump has ordered flags to be lowered to half-staff in their memory over the long holiday weekend. the democratic leaders in congress called on him to do so. the pandemic has shined a spotlight on the president's seeming inability to sympathize or em fa these with the public to grapple with this crisis. when asked about who cares about average americans, joe biden holds a 20-point lead over donald trump. john and steve are back. john, presidential elections used to be decided on two axis -- are you a strong leader and do you care about people like me? that 20-point deficit on caring about people like me seems insurmountable at this point. >> so, in 2012, when barack

obama was running for re-election against mitt romney, mitt romney won on strong leader, he won on who can best manage the economy and best on foreign policy, three of four big categories that you asked about in exit poll. the fourth category, cares about people like you. the only category of the four that barack obama won. he won it by north of 20 points. i think you're right on point here, it's just a reverse of a case where the incumbent in that case was the one who demonstrated empathy and he cared about the american people. i can't help but imagine in this election cycle, given the pandemic, given the economy, that characteristic isn't going to matter more this time around and biden's advantage in that area could be all he needs to

beat donald trump. >> that's so interesting. i fort about 2012. two follow-up questions. john, i see the beautiful canine to your left. >> there he is. >> there we go. happy friday. and two, it should come to no surprise that the two of you are up to -- i was going to no good -- it's all good, you're up to doing good. tell us about it. >> so we've -- people who have followed -- go ahead, steve. >> go ahead, john. >> one of you go. >> whoa. down goes the camera. i'm back up. >> i guess it's me. >> people who follow. i know it's crazy out here. people who follow rate my room

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so everything we can do to bring attention to the plight that our native american tribes that the navajo nation is dealing with, we can help get resources and ppes to the tribe is a good thing. we have had so many rate my skype room. who have become involved this, john and i in our fake feud, we have had fun. rate my skype room has made people when there hasn't been a lot of stuff to laugh about. our goal is to get as much money, as much equipment out to the tribes. thanks for letting us talk about it this afternoon. >> how do people buy the shirts and get the money to the tribes who need them in. >> go to the rate my skype room twitt app, they'll make it easy for you to donate and get those

resources out the navajo and the other tribes that are also calling in and asking for help. >> how are you guys doing? >> it's just -- just because steve keeps getting getting the name wrong, oh! >> hold your camera, john heilemann. steve, how are you doing? >> it is the wind. >> blame the wind. how are you doing? this is obviously taking time to do some good, but how are you doing out there, steve schmidt? any lessons from quarantine? >> well, i think the lesson is that for all of us when you look at how jarring the change to all our lives has been is to be grateful, you know, to practice gratitude, to understand that as tough as it may be for you, there are people out there that are suffering that have it harder. to be grateful to be with our loved ones and the people we

care most about and when you think about all of this and begin to comprehend about it, that life is a day at a time. you can sit there and plan to do this in five years or seven years but life doesn't have a way of working out sometimes like that, so i have my down moments in this, my closet fever moments, but in the end, whether you have kids or not, it is to talk with kids, help them understand we're going to get through this moment in time and that we are all being asked to do something really for the first time in our lifetime. what we're being asked to do is be unselfish, to inconvenience ourselves to keep the health care workers safe and grocery workers safe. the good news, the overwhelming majority of americans are stepping up in this moment, though that isn't necessarily the case with some of the

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welcome to "mtp daily" on this friday. i am peter alexander in for chuck todd. president trump walked into the white house briefing room this afternoon for what was supposed to be a news conference to