good afternoon. i'm alicia menendez, happy memorial day weekend. here's what we're following this saturday -- as americans hit beaches and back yards this weekend attempting to recapture some semblance of normal life, the coronavirus continues to lurk in the background. less than six months out from a national election, it's becoming increasingly clear that voters are facing a fundamental choice in november. be bold and reopen the economy as president trump is pushing for, or urge caution and prioritize human laws as joe biden exemplifies. with nearly a quarter of american workers out of a job, the president made it clear in

the even of a second wave it is full speed ahead. >> people say that's a distinct possibility. it's standard. we're going to put out the fires. we're not going to close the country. we're going to put out the fires. whether it's an ember or a flame, we're going to put it out. we're not closing our country. >> on friday the president said that he would urge governors to reopen churches despite evidence showing them to be virtual petri dishes for covid-19. in poll after poll, americans have made clear that human health and not the economy is priority number one. they are souring on the president's response. a new abc news ipsis poll shows only 39% approve the president's performance. the lowest since march. with me to discuss, monica alba, nbc news, white house political reporter, katherine lucy, white house reporter for the "wall street journal," and the white house reporter for "the monica, you heard the sound there, the president saying even if there's a second outbreak he

won't close the country. what is informing his thinking? >> you have the president here coming out with this announcement about houses of worship, specifically on this memorial day weekend. but what's critical to point out and fact check is even the president couldn't explain under what legal authority he might be able to override governors who decide not to open churches, mosques, and synagogues in the coming days and weeks ahead. you have here the president trying to send a clear signal, one that he is modeling himself which is that he wants to get the country back open, and he wants americans to not be staying at home anymore. as you see, almost all states lifting those orders and moving ahead in the next phase of this pandemic response. so the president out today golfing as he told millions of americans, him and dr. deborah birx, that would be safe to do. he's trying to say this is what we're doing, and the move with the houses of worship is exactly that. behind it comes a little of his political calculus with the re-election campaign and aides

and allies concerned that there may be erosion among his evangelical supporters who were so important in getting him to the white house in 2016. he made the announcement but notably didn't take questions because he probably couldn't explain this. the white house press secretary also when pressed by reporters couldn't say anything beyond that she hopes americans will follow the cdc guidelines for churches and synagogues and mosques. we should point out, those are voluntary. alicia? >> katherine, you look at the polling, and americans are very clear about where their priority is when it comes to this conversation. they reject in binary choice between the economy and saving human lives. we know that the white house is looking at that poll, trump re-election is looking at those polls. why are they making this

calculatio calculation? >> certainly, he tweets constantly about the polls. he was tweeting yesterday about a new fox news poll. he's watching this closely. but as monica said, the politics of re-election is really driving a lot of the decisionmaking here. the president is very concerned of what he's seen happen to his poll numbers over the course of this shutdown, about the fact that the economy he saw as his biggest re-election argument has eroded. he really thinks that what needs to happen now that the country needs to reopen, they need start trying to rebuild the economy. you see it in these visits that he's doing, these official trips he's taking. but still with the campaign tones at times. he's been in three battleground states in the past three weeks. he was in michigan this week. he was in pennsylvania, he was in arizona the week before. and on those trips, he's sending a clear message about reopening but always about re-election. he's very clear that he sees this as a moment to turn to that. you also see it, for example, this week with his talking about trying to bring the group of

seven nations meeting back that had been originally scheduled for camp david, it had been shifted to be a virtual meeting because of the pandemic. he's now talking about trying to have a live meeting at the white house next month. as another way to sort of send a global signal that countries are reopening. >> president trump was in michigan this week where he visited a detroit area ford plant. he only wore a mask for part of the time. take a listen. >> could you take us through your thought process of why you decided ton wear a seven-day forecast. >> i did wear, i had one on before. i wore one in this back area. but i didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it. i had it in the back area, i did put a mask on. >> michigan's attorney general said the president was, quote, incredibly disrespectful given how cautious the majority of americans are being with this. why dobuble down on not wearing the mask? >> it was par for the course on

this. there isn't much mystery in this specific case because he's upsetting, and this fits with the broader pattern of how he's been engaging with the media since day one. he didn't want to give the press the satisfaction. he and senior officials such as mike pence have received all this coverage for days if not weeks on their refusal, including in front of the cameras and away from the cameras, to wear these masks. and the president chafed at it. and he didn't want to give what he very pettily saw as a win to the media. again, par if the course for president trump. -- par for the course for president trump. he's been like this for decades, there's no reason to think that he would change in the course of global pandemic. when it comes to the push he's been making to reopen the country right now -- and many people have been pointing out that he can't actually override governors, and there are certain stay-at-home orders being kept in states, that's to a certainly

extent true. at the same time, what his administration, mostly in the form of attorney general barr and the justice department have been willing to do, which does fall within the rubric of states or local authorities is legal action. and challenging things on constitutional or religious liberties. that is something that trump and attorney general barr have shown increasing willingness to do and will probably do likely many more times throughout the course of this pandemic. in fact, on a conference call that we reported on at "the daily beast" several weeks ago that he was having with religious right leaders, he was asking if bill barr and his justice department were willing to still go to bat for religious liberty and churches that want to remain open during this crisis, and president trump flatly told them, "i think you can count on bill barr to do the right thing and keep doing this." when it comes to, oh, trump doesn't necessarily have the authority to do some things, he may not, but his justice department has things in the

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it's a long way until november. we got more questions -- >> you got mother nature questions, but i tell you -- if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or trump, then you ain't black. >> those comments from former vice president joe biden to radio host charlemagne for god landing him in hot water. he walked back the remarks on a call with black business leaders

hours later. >> the last thing i want to do -- and i shouldn't have been such a wise guy. i shouldn't have been so cavalier in responding to what i thought was -- anyway. it was -- i don't take it for granted at all, and no one, no one should have to vote for any party based on their race, religi religion, their background. >> with me is julia chavez rodriguez, senior adviser for the biden campaign. part of the argument here is that it is not enough for former vice president biden to say "i am not donald trump," the question is what would a biden presidency look like for communities of color? what is the argument for why they should turn out and vote for vice president biden? >> thank you so much for having me today and for, you know, really opening up this conversation more. as you heard from the vice president yesterday, he said, you know, firsthand that he shouldn't have been a wise guy in terms of those remarks. but i'll tell you what is very clear and joe biden's record for civil rights and for equity is

one that i will put up against donald trump's any day. his track record is long and thorough, whether it's fighting to expand the voting rights act for 25 more years or ensuring that someone like jeff sessions doesn't get on the federal bench, his track record is phenomenal. i think moving forward, he has a real plan for communities of color. you know, we've seen what this failed leadership has done to our country. even before this coronavirus hit. and this current crisis hit. we've seen that what coronavirus has done is it's exposposed a devastating impact on communities of color. black and latino individuals are dying at higher rates than what they're represented in this population. we know that the economic crisis that's ensuing is going to hit our communities and our families most. we also know that we make up a disproportionate amount of the frontline workers. when it comes to i think the real, you know, response and failed leadership from this president, it's our communities that are going to be most

impacted which is why joe biden has put forward his plan and will ensure that our economic recovery is robust and one that is equitable, and one that focuses on mom and pop businesses, small minority-owned black and latino businesses, and not those that are well connected, business leaders who seem to be reaping the benefit of the current economy that trump issy le leading right the. >> there are policies, the message, and the investment a campaign makes in outreach to these communities. you've seen the polling, i don't think you've had your first official day on the job, julie, so thank you for spending there time with us. when you start on monday, are you going to be looking at poll after poll, and you're going to see what we all know, there's a lot of excitement for the vice president among older, white voters, and there's still an enthusiasm gap when it comes to some of the core support that democrats are going to need in order for vice president biden to win in november. so how do you activate those

members of the electorate? >> well, i think you raise a really important point. and it's really going to take a broad coalition of voters to win in november. we know that. we know that that's how we won in the past, and we're excited about bringing that back together. i think it's important, you know, for the latino community as an example. it's important that they know who joe biden is and that we have an opportunity to really share with them that there's a lot of shared values there. you know, he's a catholic, he's a man of faith. he's someone whose leadership is guided by that. and that's something that really speaks to our families. he's also, you know, someone who was a single father, raised two boys as a single parentme. so these are important aspects who've he is personally. and we'll continue to talk about the policies that he's, you know, continuing to champion and will put forward for our communities like investing in, you know, hbcus and

hispanic-serving institutions to ensure that we are doing what we can to make our work force ready and make sure that it's a diverse work force that reflects our country. these are just some of the policies and some of the work that he's done. >> there's also been a commitment to a comprehensive immigration proposal with a paths path -- pathway to citizenship on day one. immigration groups have been burned by promises like this before. what will the vice president actually do to get this done? >> i think that there's important first steps that we need to do to undo what i think have been really horrific immigration policies on the part of this administration. so i think that's immediate. the second part is really being able to build the coalition of bipartisan support. immigration has always been a bipartisan issue, and it wasn't until this presidency that it became overly partisan. we know that strong and robust economy really benefits from comprehensive immigration policies.

we know that it's good for our families and for our communities and good for our businesses. you ask someone in the agricultural industry today whether or not they benefit or could benefit from comprehensive immigration reform, and their response will be yes because they know that they have work force shortages that they need to account for. so it is going to take a lot of work, and no one is saying that any of this is going to be easy. but we have the commitment there, and he's building the team to get it done. >> all right, julie, thank you. >> thank you. i want to bring in danielle belton, editor-in-chief for "the root," and msnbc contributor and princeton university's african-american studies department chair, and jessica bird is the founder at three-point strategies. jessica, i want to start with you and talk about these biden comments which is that there are folks who will say he made a mistake, he apologized, move on. is it that simple? >> no, it's not that simple.

i've been working in candidate campaigns for the last 15 years, and specifically the last several years to elect progressive black women and to serve black movement visions at the ballot box. i find more often than not that conversations around black voters are reductionist and oversimplified. and the last 24 hours has been no different. you know, i have -- i listened to the apology. i appreciated that he used the term "cavalier" and restated his commitment to not taking black voters for granted. i think that that was important. there's a larger conversation at play here that can't be lost. that has been revisited time and time again and remains unravelled. and that is -- unresolved. that is what is the requirement for black voters who are central to democratic victories in november and who have shown loyalty over decades? what is the requirement? there is no other major voting group as central to victory as

black voters who are expected to show up and not ask any tough questions or have any specific demands. and so you know, for me, a real apology is rooted in changed behavior. it is not enough for black people to be told that you have value. any time a black person, black voter, black organization, activist or leader is asking a question, it should be met with excitement, inspiration, substantive public policy, a listening ear, and a willingness to pivot and change course if there's accountability to be made. the biden campaign and largely democratic people all across this country have a chance to show up, and i hope they do. >> eddie, what is that substantive agenda that jessica just referenced look like? >> well, it's going to have to address questions of inequality

within the health care industry, it's going to have to address questions of unemployment, going to have to address criminal justice, going to have to deal with education. it's going to have to deal with the structural realities that in ways reproduce inequality. what i saw in the interview is the performance of comfort. he tried to show that he was comfortable around black folk. you kept hearing, come on, man, come on, man. he set himself up to say something stupid. instead of -- instead of engaging in the substantive policy issues that he's laid out in his lift every voice plan and in some ways charlemagne the god didn't -- didn't recognize the name, he's tried to beckon him into a more substantive conversation around policy. what's interesting is that if you look at the entire debate, he does not have a good defense around the crime bill. the way in which he defended it, he needs to develop a more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of the

implications of the state that came out of that piece of legislation. and so i think substantive policy discussion is needed, not a performance of comfort. we don't need at all. >> danielle, you have seen the same reporting i have seen. the trump campaign is planning an ad blitz to highlight the remarks. given the president's comments about african-americans and minorities, i wonder what you make of this strategy. >> i mean, he can try that. i mean, if he wants to. i don't think it will work. it will be very difficult to put like a dent in the damage that trump has truly done to the african-american community. i mean, we're looking at 20,000 black americans who are disproportionately -- have died of covid-19 with little help or compassion from this white house. i mean, if we want to dig in the crates, he's been pretty terrible at pushing back against white supremacists, he's been terrible when it comes to police

brutality. i mean, i guess if you don't really care about the more than 96,000 americans who have died, like why would you care essentially about what's happening to african-americans in this country? why would he care for anyone? i seriously question whether the president has empathy for others. i mean, i don't even know if he cares about his base at the end of the day considering that he's encouraging churches to reopen when this disease is still running rampant, when we're still in the middle of this horrendous pandemic. so i'm quite disturbed by all of it. it makes me concerned that the president isn't so much that he's pro-american, he's just pro-trump. >> all right. danielle, eddie, jessica, thank you all so much. tomorrow morning, don't miss "a.m. joy." charlemag charlemagne tha god talks here on msnbc at 10:00 a.m. next, deportations are increasing at the southern border, and this time it's children being put in harm's

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new reports find the trump administration is rushing to deport migrant children. at times without even notifying their families. according to unicef, since early march, at least 1,000 unaccompanied migrant children were deported from the united states back to mexico and central america. according to "the new york times," the deportations are a major policy shift since safeguards have been granted to migrate children for decades under both democratic and republican administrations. in recent weeks, those safeguards have been completely abandoned by the trump administration. according to nbc news, the trump administration's plans to speed up deportations of migrant children date back to 2017. i'd like to welcome caitlyn dickerson, national immigration reporter for "the new york times," and juliet ainsley, nbc

news justice correspondent. tell us how is the trump administration using this moment to reverse protections for these children? >> well, they're invoking something called title 42 which allows them to suspend normal immigration policy and procedures in order to say that they're protecting us from the coronavirus, from covid-19. and in this particular case, they're using it to try to waive the rights of children who come in unaccompanied without a parent or guard, rather than allowing them to claim assignment, keeping -- asylum, before they're sent to live with a relative. they're going through expedited removal where they're sent out of the country and deported to their home country sometimes before their families are even notified, before there's a plan put in place for their care when they arrive. >> right. that was the reporting that you did, caitlyn. cases where children were deported without their families knowing, and deported without any plans set in motion to make

sure someone could care for the child when they return to their country of origin. what have you heard from these families? >> the families are understandably shocked i think when they first learn that their kids or their relatives ended up back home. and they're worried. you know, people come to the united states for a variety of reasons, as we know. some qualify for asylum, and some don't. those who are fleeing violent situations or extreme poverty, we know that when they're returned without any prior plan put in place, that those circumstances will remain the same. so that's the difficult thing here. and that's why for so many decades like we reported under both republican and democratic administrations, safety plans have historically been put in place to make sure a child has a safe home to return to. you know, there are many protections we believe and many opportunities, frankly, offered to children who enter the united states alone because they're vulnerable. anybody traveling as a child without an adult with them, they are offered many opportunities

to try to apply for legal status. at the end of the day, some are deported. and that's -- you know, not something that advocates dispute. the problem here is just not knowing where they're going. where they're ending up. >> then you have unicef reporting this week that the children being reintegrated back into their countries are facing discrimination and attacks as people fear they may have covid-19. can you tell us more about that? >> yeah, that's right. i actually just spoke to a young honduran boy an hour before speaking with you, alicia, who talks about having to be back in honduras with really nowhere to go. his caregivers were his now very ill and extremely elderly grandparents who don't have covid-19 as he knows it but would be incredibly susceptible. there's no one to take care of him now and especially as he's had exposure through mexico and the united states, they're afraid of those people coming back into those societies.

and as we know, as caitlyn and i have reported, these exact policies to try to expedite the removal of children, this is something now being done under the cover of covid-19. but it's actually something that's been in place or the trump administration has been trying to put in place since the early days of 2017. >> what does it tell you that you have unaccompanied kids at the border who are being sent back without even a warning to their families and then inside of the three-family detention centers you have families being forced, parents being forced to make the choice between holding their children with them in the detention facilities indefinitely or releasing their children without them? the fact that these two stories are happening in tandem, what does that say about the administration's priorities? >> i think it tells you that president trump is intent to make good on his campaign promise to crack down on immigration really of all kinds into the united states, to expedite deportations and to

make sure anyone who can be expelled from the country is. i think he was very clear about that from the early days of his campaign. we've seen it across so many different categories of people, whether it's those seeking visas for work opportunities, coming in with skills, or asylum seekers. across the board it's become more difficult to enter the united states. you're more likely to be removed more quickly, and that's really the goal, and that's the point. the administration has been clear about that. i think we're going to hear president trump continue to push forward with these aggressive policies and also continue talking about it quite a bit because it's a central part of his desire to get re-elected. and his plan to get re-elected. >> at the same time, julia, when the story of family separation first emerged, americans were outraged. what are advocates telling you about where this fight goes from here? >> you're right. there was incredible outrage. we covered that extensively here in may and june of 2018.

right now advocates i think are having a hard time getting as much attention on this issue today because we are understandably also consumed by this pandemic. there are families facing these incredibly hard decisions as it's put in front of them whether or not you separate from your child or you stay in a detention center indefinitely, knowing that your risk of catching covid-19 could be increasing. so as advocates are really trying to get the attention for that, they say this deserves. but at the same time, caitlin's right, the conversation instead is being driven by the president. and especially as he set the 60-day time marks for when he's going to expand or extend these policies on immigration. it's setting him up to talk about these tough policies and to try to show he's doing something to protect americans from unemployment and from the pandemic through the lens of immigration at these key points along the campaign as we get closer and closer to november.

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with the supreme court expected to make a major ruling on abortion access soon, a new documentary is revealed a stunning confession from the woman at the center of the landmark roe versus wade case. in what norma mccorvey also known as jane roe calls her deathbed confession, she claims that she was paid by the anti-abortion movement to speak out against the procedure. >> this is my deathbed confession.

okay. >> did they use you as a trophy? >> of course. i was the big fish. i was the big fish. >> did you use them? >> i was it a mutual ching. i took their money, and they put me in front of the cameras and told me what to say, that's what i'd say. >> wow. >> i took their money, and they put me out in front of the cameras and told me what to say, that's what i'd say. >> wow. >> that clip from the new documentary "aka jane roe." now streaming on fx on hulu. with me now is the film's

director, nick sweeney and reverend rob shank, director of the institute and leader of operation rescue. nick, talk about the timing of this documentary. why release it now? >> the documentary is being released now because that's how long it took. i filmed extensively throughout 2016 and 2017. but it took a long time to put together. her life was very complicated. she was a character full of contradicti contradictions. it took a long time to tell her story in a way that did justice to her complexity as a person. >> reverend shank, what was your relationship with norma like? >> well, first let me just make a quick correction. i am not the former director of operation rescue, though i did work extensively with operation rescue. at the time i knew norma, i was leading an organization called faith and action.

and we staged a number of large-scale pro-life, anti-abortion events. i was one of the first to invite norma to a national stage in washington, d.c., when she had been newly born again as a christian and took on the pro-life cause. i was able to give her exposure that she said the pro-choice side had never afforded her. and that began a 20-year friendship, working relationship. it was a complicated one, and during that time i would remit payment to her for speaking engagements, for other types of work with our organization, and then for what we called benevolence, to just help her with expenses. but it was a difficult and a complicated working relationship, and just as much in our friendship.

>> nick, what did it feel like for her to reverse her stance on abortion, and how was she processing that later in her life? >> what was it like for me as a filmmaker, it was very surprising to he room as norma said these things. i didn't expect her to come clean about any of these things. it was a very different film to the one that i set out to make. and one of the important things that we then had to set about doing was to corroborate these things that norma said. we had to speak to people like reverend rob shank who were there at the time and who were organizing these things. but certainly from a director's point of view, it was astonishing to hear these things come out of normal's -- norma's month. she continued to say these through the ten months we were filming together. the first time she said it, i was honestly flabbergasted.

>> reverend rob, let's listen to a clip that you're featured in talking about norma's claims. >> i had never heard her say anything like this, never. but i know what we were doing, and there were times i was sure she knew. and i wondered is she playing us? what i didn't have the guts to say was because i know damn well we're playing her. what we did with norma was highly unethical. the jig is up. >> you've confirmed mccorvey's account saying the group operation rescue paid her. what was behind those payments?

>> well, again, you know, i never thought that i was signing a check for an actor. she uses those words later on. what i did know is that norma harbored secret thoughts, some that she would leak to me from time to time, in which she would express that she was not fully with us in our messaging, but she was always a dutiful soldier. i would coach her, others would coach her, she would go to the podium, she would deliver the script so to speak. we would reward her with an honorarium which is typical for public speakers. what i didn't realize is that, you know, we were devolving into a transactional relationship. she was delivering something of value to our movement, of great

value. i think she was getting something of value in return, both the payments but even more so the adulation, the applause. she was the headliner for us. she would almost guarantee standing-room-only crowds, including in united states senate hearing rooms. i had her on capitol hill a number of times for public events within the capitol complex itself. and people would be spilling out the doors into the hallways. i think she got a lot out of that, and -- and we paid her for it. >> nick, "slate" reports that mccorvey's former lawyer issued a statement speculating that producers, quote, paid norma, befriended her, and betrayed her. your response? >> norma was not paid to participate in the documentary. norma did provide us with

personal archive, and we licensed those things as is customary in documentary. but the purpose of the documentary was for norma to define her legacy in her own terms. she wanted to set her story straight, and that was why she took part. i think that one of the things that became clear to me as we began to film in early 2016 was that she was aware that her health was -- was going. i think that she knew that she didn't have that long left. and that -- that this was her final chance to explain who she was, if she didn't tell her story, then somebody else was going to. >> all right. the documentary is "aka jane roe," now streaming on fx on rule y hulu. thank you so much. graduating into a pandemic is hard. it is particularly challenging for undocumented students. i'll talk to two of them about their achievement and their hopes for the future. s fothr e'!

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of what the grads accomplished featuring a message from surprise guest celina gomez. >> congratulations to all the grads. i know this is a virtual grads but it's very real to all the families and all of you and your families. >> i want you all to know that you matter. >> and student speakers at the immigrad ceremonies this morning has a bachelor degree and congratulations to you both. i full disclosure am a co-founder of define american. i am both so excited for your accomplishment, for the fact that there was time to celebrate you today.

what does this mean to you? >> it means the world to me. this is something i did expect to celebrate with my friends and family physically together. but being able to share that moment with so many diverse voices and community members and undocumented student and immigrant students, so many people coming together in this moment where we can peel very alone, it meant the world to know that the community is behind us and behind me. >> what has it taken for you to get to this moment? >> as i mentioned in my speech, it took a lot of sacrifices both for myself and my family. financial support was really hard. as i mentioned, i didn't really know a lot about on scholarship such as the dream.us who

provided finance assistance and my family sold our house so i could get my education. the sacrifice is not more than the triumph. i'm stillimmensely grateful. >> what is it like to graduate in the middle of a pandemic and to also have your immigration status in flux as you do that? >> so just for correction, i, myself, i was born here in the united states. both of my parents are immigrants from the dominican republic, and so graduating in the -- i can't speak to the experience of someone whose status is uncertain, but what i can speak to is the fear that is striking through immigrant families across the country and especially in mine.

my parents came over when they were very young with my grandparents on both sides, and, you know, every day i can tell you that it a conversation within the household, you know, the uncertainty and fear around what happens to families like us and, you know, to students, students that i just graduated with, students at rutgers university, camden. what's the future look like for them? what are we doing to ensure that? but in terms of the coronavirus, it's been a little scary. you know, i'm someone who is naturally extroverted and i like being around other people and i love celebrating, i love having those moments, those special moments with people. but it's a little scary that we can't even be within six feet of somebody, especially friends and family that you know and love. >> what is your plan now? what do you want to do now that you have this degree? >> so i was recently hired

amidst this pandemic at for.us as the coordinator to work on reform as well as being more politically aware. i'm still continuing my fight for my immigrant community and those who choose to be allies, so the fight does not stop. >> there are a lot of families watching who are immigrant families who want the same thing for their chrn thildren that yoe been able to accomplish, what is your message to them? >> my message to them -- >> oh. >> so my message to them is one that's simple. it's okay to be uncomfortable, and you should embrace the uncomfortablity that comes with

being in new situations. that's what college is all about and that's what life is about when you're growing up and going through life. embrace the uncomfortable, be your authentic self and know if you're ever alone that there is a community behind you. >> that is good advice for all of us. thank you both so much. that wraps it up for this hour. i'm alicea menendez. i will see you back here at 2 p.m. tomorrow. the reverend al sharpton will talk about the new developments in the breanna taylor shooting. that's coming up at 5 p.m. eastern on politics nation. at . eastern on politics nation so we showed it our people, sourcing and distributing more fresh food than anyone... our drivers helping grocers restock their shelves. how we're helping restaurants open pop-up markets. and encouraging all americans to take out to give back. adversity came to town. so we looked it in the eye.

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good evening and welcome to "politics nation" on this very memorable memorial day weekend. today's lead trickled down 2020. for years we've heard that what's best for business will carry the rest of the country, but nearly three months into a generational loss of life and wealth during this covid-19 pandemic, data is increasingly showing that for americans of color, the only things that have trickled down consistently are the problems. as the nation