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good evening and welcome to "politics nation" on this very memorable memorial day weekend. today's lead trickled down 2020. for years we've heard that what's best for business will carry the rest of the country, but nearly three months into a generational loss of life and wealth during this covid-19 pandemic, data is increasingly showing that for americans of color, the only things that have trickled down consistently are the problems. as the nation has collectively reopened ahead of this now
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active holiday season, beaches and parks, bars and restaurants are full of americans ready to start their summers and despite the continued warnings of public health officials about a likely potentially worse second wave, president trump on the road this week in the swing state of michigan says he will not shut the nation down again. makes sense as the president's biggest plays for reelection are the economy and of course restoking his resentments of his base. so with just over five months before the presidential election, you can be sure everything this president does will be aimed at winning more votes rather than saving lives. and as black and brown and red americans continue to suffer disproportionately from covid-19, the trump campaign is
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making its push for minority voters, while at the same time waging rhetorical war on mail-in voting. joining me now is bob casey, democratic senator of pennsylvania. senator, let me start with this. you are the ranking member of the committee on aging, and you have suggested that the president and some of those forces are not giving the real numbers of what's going on in the nursing homes. what is your concern here and what can be done about it? >> reverend al, thanks for having me. i think one of the major concerns that families have that have a loved one in a nursing home or any long-term care setting but i think the nursing home is the biggest number, they're concerned about whether or not in that nursing home how many cases are there? they're concerned about have there been deaths. both the families and the
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residents themselves as well as the workers have a right to know that as well as the community. and so in very early april, i guess it was the first two or three days of april, i sent a letter with senator widen to both the cdc and the cms, center on medicare/medicaid services. and we simply asked in that letter for that kind of information. they've promised the information now for weeks. they said it would be available by the end of may meaning the information would be transmitted to the cdc and then given to the center on medicare/medicaid services and then available to the public but here we are at the end of may, we haven't seen it. i think families want to know that basic information about a nursing home that their loved one is living in, especially when the family members cannot go in to see an older relative and be able to interact with them and see what the care level
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is. >> that's what's really disturbing to me. we're talking about elderly. we're talking about people that are our mothers, fathers, grabbed paren grandparents and they can't be visited and we're trying to make sure they're cared for and you're telling me you can't get the data for weeks on the real numbers telling us who was found to be positive with coronavirus, who has died. they're playing with numbers here? is this a number of incompetence or playing political games that they don't want to show the real numbers of how bad it may be? >> reverend, i think it's consistent with the way they've treated all numbers, the numbers on testing, the numbers on personal protective equipment. it seems like they have a resistance of putting the data on the table so the american people can see it. and long-term care circumstance, i think it's the same.
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we should be having a national standard all across the country. the other thing we should do nationally is to move in the direction of legislation just this past week and that legislation would provide new dollars to do a couple of things for nursing homes. number one is to say if nursing homes are charged with keeping, as they should and have a good practice of cohorting, separating the covid-19 residents from those that don't have covid-19, that can incur expense. they may have to retro fit that facility, they may need more testing equipment for residents and workers. we have to make sure we're helping these nursing homes in a direct way, even as we're holding them accounting and demanding better care. >> the other thing that is very concerning and disturbing to me is the senate went out on this memorial day weekend without even voting on the stimulus
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package sent up by the house because the average american and certainly many of the small businesses and the cities and states need that money desperately, and mcconnell would not even allow the vote to go, went ahead and for the memorial day weekend but yet he made it very clear we got to get all these judges through. and they're stacking the courts while the people are suffering. how long can $1,200 last? americans need money and these cities and states are operating in deficits. >> reverend, there's no question about it. you've diagnosed what happened the last three weeks. mitch mcconnell's focus has been on one thing, not just nominations generally but making sure he can confirm as many right-wing federal judges as possible. we've had three weeks in the senate with no action, no legislation voted on that
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relates to covid-19 and the suffering it has caused and the death and the destruction, nor have we had any vote in the entire month of may on anything that would help our workers. that unemployment number keeps exploding and all we're doing is voting on nominations. now, as you said, he sends everybody home instead of voting on measures like the house did. the house would extend the unemployment insurance. it would also have another round of checks for families. it would also do really important things on the health care and the medicaid that's needed in a lot of communities. and as you mentioned, state and local government. look, you know this better than anyone, reverend. when you've traveled around the country. if you don't help the states, like the house did, $500 billion they've proposed, the states will cut education and have to cut human services because they have to balance their budget. at a local level it translates into police officers,
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firefighters, public safety, first responders will be laid off. so you can't avoid the destruction that comes when you don't help state and local governments. >> thank you for being with us tonight and laying it out, senator bob casey. at the same time the nation has been reopening, the trickle of information we've had on covid-19 and minorities has become a flood. several metrics showing an intersectional disproportionate affect on americans of colors. nearly half, 45% of black and latino owners expect to close their doors by christmas, according to a new poll by civil rights groups color chang and unidose u.s. only 12% say they got the help they asked for in federal aide while 41% said they got nothing at all.
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70% of them are women. according to an "essence" magazine survey published in this month's issue. the disparity expands to the most vulnerable. "the new york times" reporting this week that nursing homes with black and latino populations over 25% are twice as likely to see covid-19 cases developed as overwhelmingly white facilities. all this as the trump administration and the rnc continue to tout their big push to engage the black community on behalf of the president, who seemed to get an assist this week, if only temporarily from joe biden, who put his foot all the way in it with his comment about black trump supporters.
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joining me now, jameel smith and jalo jaloni. let me go to you first, jaloni. the whole interview clearly is about a statement that i have said is inappropriate and no one should expect because someone is a certain race they should be voting a certain party or candidate, but beyond that is a real question of program and platform and policy, which should be something that we are dissecting from what biden is proposing he has a 22-page policy position on african-americans called "lift every voice." shouldn't biden be talking about that rather than making off-the-cuff statements that he has to walk back? and shouldn't we be analyzing
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whether it is substantive and realistic or not rather than exchanging barbs when we're in the middle of a pandemic that is disproportionately impacting us? >> sure. reverend, i think it's interesting because, for one, i don't think those two things ar. you can try to establish a rapport and talk about substantive ideas. the problem is the way joe biden attempted to go about that. it's a very sensitive kind of idea about whose identity is african-american, whether people are black enough. so it's something that's probably best left alone by anyone in a public position and he didn't know that and the result was predictable.
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the other this evening i'll sng that is one of the other problems about that is quite frankly many people agreed with it. and that was what made the comment even more inflammatory. many people feel like they don't have a choice but to vote for joe biden. if seen everything from the affinity of the alt-right to the what do you have to lose to the whole lit any of racially inflammatory things that have accompanied the tenure of donald trump and the white house, and it really feels like the only pragmatic choice they have is to vote for joe biden. when people are making a pragmatic choice, the worst thing you can do is remind them of the fact they have to make that pragmatic choice. >> i think that you're right, but in my experience as an activist, i've seen people make
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another choice, which i'm very fearful of, and that is not vote at all because you can't turn people out if you don't turn them on. and you've got to be able to turn them on. given a lot of the measures that are being put in place with gerrymandering and purging voters and other voter suppression, they can just end up with it so complex if we're going to the mail-in voting and other things as a result of the pandemic that the votes that you just make, say, oh well, i won't even bother will be to the benefit of your opponent. >> indeed. we don't talk nearly enough about the fact that donald trump won the first election in 2016 without the full protection of the voting rights act. we don't talk nearly enough about the fact that those protections have not been restored. so joe biden here is really revisiting a lot of his past in that interview. if you watched the whole thing, he talks a lot about his 1994
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crime bill, his past accomplishments, past has a public defender in wilmington, delaware but he doesn't talk about the past injustices visited upon the key demographic of him possibly winning the white house, doesn't talk about turning people out to vote in a coronavirus pandemic that will prove especially challenging for turning out voters. he's got to talk about getting to the white house and confront what everybody is concerned about which is beating donald trump. and if we don't hold him accountable now, he's not going to be accountable to us later. >>. >> the questions of charlemagne
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raises, to act that something is offensive about those questions is offensive to me. on a scale of zero to ten, the president is barely a three making him the least trusted messenger in this pandemic among black americans, even behind fox news and congressional republicans. if he is that disbelieved by blacks, all you have to do is really be straight and forward and come with substantial if that is your intent and you've got a huge margin of people that are willing to go forward because we want to trust somebody but we don't want to be taken for granted. >> sure. i think one of the other reasons why that was just a particularly poorly executed and kind of
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poorly thought out joke was we remember that just four years ago in michigan there were those 80,000 people who came out to vote, people who came to the polls, who took their civic responsibility seriously and just did not vote in the presidential race. that was the difference in winning that state. it was how donald trump won that state. >> he only won by 12,000 votes in michigan in '16. >> that's right. so no one should be taking any single vote for granted at this point in time. certainly not a person seeking the african-american vote in 2020. >> jamil, one of the things you raise that i'm troubled by is the fact that when the voting rights act was gutted, and i was in the courtroom for the oral arguments of that case, it really hasn't even been an issue
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raised to the level that i would want to hear it of why hasn't the congress come back with a new map and try and fix the fact that they said the map was outdated. well, bring in a new map now, congress. why isn't that an issue in this campaign? joe biden out to be talking about that. the congress ought to be talking about it. why are they allowing the voting rights act to lay dormant when we have all of these voter suppression methods being used in states that would have had to have clearance from the justice department if that map or a map was in empowered right now? >> well, i mean, i think frankly, reverend, a lot of folks in congress don't feel like it's going to go anywhere, a fix is not going to go anywhere. certainly they have been introduced over the last several years. i think what folks want to hear right now are solutions. what are you going to do to solve the problems that are confront being us right now. as you mentioned earlier in the
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segment, folks and businesses are closing. people are going to go without work. people are not going to be pay their rent, their mortgages. how are you going to solve these kinds of problems? how are you going to present those kind of solutions within that 22-page platform, joe biden. talk about those. don't talk about necessarily the crime bill. maybe apologize for the damage that it's done, at least acknowledge that. i don't think he's even able to do that, at least judging by the interview that we saw with charlamagne. at least start there and then what you're going to do for the communities we're not seeing a candidate who is able to do that. >> stay right there. i want to talk about the president's announcement that houses of worship are to be opened as they are essential to the public. let's add to this conversation republican strategies and pastor
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joe watkins. joe, you and i are both minister and i consider it outrages that this president has said that houses of worship should be open tomorrow. i think that it is certainly something that risks the lives of parishioners. i don't know how you go and pray and thank god for your life and say but, god, i'm going to be recklessly threatening it and putting it at risk today. you are a republican but you're a pastor. how do you feel about the president saying he would override governors, which legally no one can find out where he has the power to do that, but notwithstanding that he would override governors if governors did not say that churches are places of worship and can be open tomorrow. >> i think that every pastor is happy to think that their house of worship is an essential business, so to speak, that the work we do to serve people, to show people the path is
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essential and that's a nice thought. but we also believe that what -- i know certainly i do believe that what god wants is love and with all of my heart and love my neighbor like i love myself. if i do that, certainly as a pastor, i've got to practice social distancing and sheltering in place. we are open but we're open online, not in person. and even our own local bishop is saying please, please, please, especially in philadelphia, p t pennsylvania, wahere we've been pretty hard hit by covid-19, please do not open up your sanctuaries until at least sometime in july when we get numbers that show it's okay to open. right now numbers show people are still dying and it's not safe to open up our sanctuary.
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we're going to share the good news with folks. we're going to practice social distancing and sheltering in place and we think that's the right thing to do right now. that's what the governor of pennsylvania is saying for the area that we live. we know some areas of red, some are yellow and some are green. independe i'm in a red area where people have been hard by covid-19 and we're going to shelter in place and practice social distancing. >> jelani, why is the president doing this? he's not one we've seen to be a great church -goer. we see him go golfing more than go to church. is he trying to manipulate the belief in god to try and get votes? >> we have not seen any situation that the people hold sacred that the president is not willing to manipulate for his advantage.
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one of his key things is support of evangelicals. some of them even showing up to double-digit differences between his polling and joe biden with joe biden in the lead. he is trying to do everything he can do to shore up his base. one last thing i'll add to that really quickly is that when he says that churches and houses of worship are essential, that's not what the -- he might feel like that's essential for their spiritual development or essential for their social purposes or moral values or all the things we think of with religious institutions but that's not what the term essentialme meant in terms of ts pandemic. we were talking about services that could only be delivered in person, food workers, warehouse workers, transportation people and people on the front lines of
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the health care crisis, medical people and so on. all of those people could not do that work remotely by any other means. it's a kind of pernicious play on words to say the only way can you have church services is to do so in person. >> and jamil, i'm one that believes in church. i grew up in the pentecostal church, baptist now. you don't have to go to the church to have church. and it's a spiritual connection and you can do it online and you can do it well the healthier you are. so we're seeing evangelicals there but should not we see a large resistance of others that maybe are not in line with trump in the faith community saying this is wrong? >> oh, certainly. and i think we are seeing a lot of that. listen, i've watched my old pastor back at ame in philadelphia online here in los
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angeles just fine, and i'm sure that my god can hear me all the way from here. so i don't understand the idea that essential means that i need to actually be in the building. that's number one. number two is that i think we already saw trump at his church already earlier today golfing while nearly 100,000 people have died from this disease. so i really wish that this president saw people as essential as these buildings or his votes. let's just be real about what is going on here. his numbers are slipping with evangelicals, specifically white evangelicals because black evangelicals he couldn't care less about. so his numbers are slipping with these white evangelicals. he's looking for a cynical way to up his numbers and he sees this as a way to do that. he doesn't have any power over these governors to do anything and he's just going to say these things to say them. honestly, let's concentrate on what we need to concentrate on, which is saving people's lives and making sure essential
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workers get what they actually need. >> joe watkins, you've been a republican for a long time, as long as i've known you. i heard the president is doing a big media buy geared toward black voters. do you think that will work being that even the black spokesperson for his '16 campaign, omarosa, who was the black person we saw when he first went in office, representing them, including my group, then they just dismissed her, walked off the campus and we haven't seen a black presence, less known a black position that would be a policy position that came out of that white house to support blacks. do you have think that this media buy is going to turn black voters to where they would vote so -- some predict in his campaign he can go after 15, 20% of the
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black republican? >> i know he made some specific ad buys, one around the time of the super bowl where they made a $10 bumillion buy, it was an effective commercial, african-american women thanking the president for what he's done with regard to legislation that had to do with sentencing but i don't think you're going to see a large number or any real huge shift in terms of the number of people of color that vote for the president. i think that -- i said this pretty consistently that i think he got 8% last time. his ad buys are think are based to build that to maybe 10% or 12% or 13%, which is significant still, and for the most part the burden becomes on joe biden to get a large black turnout, which he can get if he picks an
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african-american woman as his running mate. but the burden will be on joe biden to energize the black community to come out in large numbers if indeed he picks an african-american woman as his running mate. i don't think those numbers on the republican side will spike beyond 8, 9, 10% in this coming cycle. maybe 11. i don't know that it will go much higher. >> i think if he picks the right running mate and if he starts really coming with a lot of substance and solutions, as we talked about here, those numbers can go down. but that's up to him and his campaign, mr. biden is who i'm talking about. thank you all for being with me. coming up, it seems like life in louisville, kentucky isn't going back to business as usual after the police shooting of 26-year-old first respond eer
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breonna taylor. but first, my colleague richard lui. >> i'm richard lui with a news update for you. the nation's two largest cities are preparing to relax rules slightly. in new york city, gatherings of up to ten people are allowed. governor cuomo issued an order last night statewide. and in los angeles where officials want to lift the lock down by july 4th, businesses will have to submit proposals by the end of june outlining their safety measures and social distancing regulations beaches are open with some restrictions but not all. in pennsylvania officials urge residents to avoid beaches. the number of confirmed coronavirus cases is up to 1.6 million nationwide and more than
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multiple questions are still left unanswered in the police shooting of 26-year-old breonna taylor of louisville, kentucky. last weekend i asked her mother what she would want to see moving forward. >> i want to see the ban of no-knock warrants and the use of body cams in situations like this because it was uncalled for and breonna should still be here. >> i agree with her mother. some body camera was in would be helpful. louisville's mayor has
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implemented a new policy change that will hopefully allow transparency in cases like these. just yesterday the charges were dropped against breonna's boyfriend, kenneth walker, a legal gun owner who tried to defend her from the fatal shooting. he was charged with attempted murder of a police officer and assault after they came in and he, according to what we were told, said they did not identify themselves as policemen. joining me with the details is the mayor, greg fisher. mayor fisher, it seems there's been the charges dropped against this young man, who many wanted to see. you've announced a cpac in terms of a civilian police review board. but what will that really mean? how long will that take and will they have the power to do something, or is it just
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ceremonial to get by the moment? >> thanks for having me on, rev. the first thing i want to do is recognize the loss of breonna's life. it was a huge loss for our community and they are joining in me with saying the number one thing is truth, justice, let's get that out. that's why i've asked the fbi and u.s. attorney and attorney general to get involved with this and made some immediate changes as well. no-knock warrants require an additional level of review, sign-off by the police chief. everyone else that is a sworn police officer has body cameras so we changed that policy immediately and the civilian police review. our review needs to be strengthened. so i've called for a look at what the national best practice is on that. whatever that is, we want that to be implemented. our community has to have confidence in the police department.
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obviously that's an issue all over america and our city needs to improve in that area as well. >> i've talked to several congratulations activists, black lives matter, this is not the first incident and this is not the first situation. did it take the killing of breonna taylor to make these moves about body cameras, to make these moves about a review board? have you is and others reached out to the families that have suffered from this before this? i mean, why haven't we seen some change before this, mr. mayor? >> well, i've talked to breonna's mom multiple times. any time i'm about to make a public announcement, i give her a call first so she has a heads up. louisville metro police department was one of the first in the country to implement body
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cameras. in this case, the narcotics team executing a warrant, sadly they did not have them on. that's the only time in five years that happened where we would definitely be better off in terms of body camera evidence. on monday, this past monday is when i made the announcement of that change. we're going to take those opportuniti opportunities. >> how are you going to deal with the union in terms of being able to -- the police union -- in terms of being age to question police in matters where there's questionable police behavior? how is the city going to be able to deal with the union's resistance to having police questioned like that? >> we'll do it to the fullest extent of the law that's valk o available to us, here in jefferson county and then we have a state law issue we need to contend with.
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we'll be advocating for all the changes that we need. i want to emphasize our police understand the importance of police community legitimacy and they understand the police are only as legitimate as the community says they are we've had a synergy project going on for a year over this very issue. for us to have a safe city, you need to have citizens have confidence in the police. i know it's not going to be all chocolates and roses in getting to where we need to be, but i know we share the same goal. i'm going to put my head down and work with them on it. >> there's a lot of concern certainly in louisville, as i said, speaking to people and concern about this around the country. many of us available to those groups, to support them. do you understand the difference between some people in a community that have to be afraid of the police, that they want to protect them? i mean, you and others, do you
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understand the difference in your children going out and you not wort about the cops and the robbers and some black families in your city that has to worry about whether your child's going to be hurt by either? >> well, rev, one of the things i've said from the beginning of this is we want truth and justice on this case, but you are closing your eyes to history and to reality as a white person if you don't understand that there's been a 400-year history of a disproportionate power relationship between the police and communities of color. from the very first ship of slave people that came to virginia, all the way through slavery, through civil war, through jim crow, voter suppression, red lining, it dps -- goes on and on. so while this individual case with breonna is a tragedy, it's in a far bigger context.
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and white america has to have more empathy and understand the fear that takes place with every one of these incidents that happen in our country. i'm using my position as a white mayor to talk about this very issue so there can be much more appreciation for the complexity and fear and we're a city of compassion. we're a city of muhammad ali. we'll work through this to get to a better place. >> you are the city of muhammad ali and i remember how he teld -- told me he came back to louisville and dropped his medal in the water because he was not treated right in louisville and i hear many decades later saying they still don't see the waters as clearly as they say them -- >> louisville, kentucky is the greatest city of all time. he helped us get through these issues. you have to keep doing the road
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work like he did. >> you have a few more issues you're going to have to get through and we'll be watching and we'll be participating. mayor greg fisher, thank you for being with me tonight. >> thank you, rev. >> still to come, who will provide coronavirus testing to the poor, the undocumented, the homeless and the uninsured? the answer after the break. wayfair has way more ways the k to renovate your home, from inspiration to installation. like way more vanities perfect for you. nice. way more unique fixtures and tiles. pairing. ♪ nice. way more top brands in sinks and faucets. way more ways to rule your renovation. nice! on any budget, with free shipping. wayfair. way more than furniture. whether you're facing unemployment.
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there's still much more "politics nation" on the way. tonight make sure you watch the television premiere of union sel -- unicef's first-ever event, "unicef won't stop," plus an introduction by my colleague lawrence o'donnell. and a look into the universal global covid-19 pandemic
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response. and tomorrow make sure you tune in to "politics nation" at 5 p.m. eastern for my conversation with joe biden's senior adviser symone sanders. we'll be talking about the 2020 race and joe biden's recent controversial comments on african-americans. the coronavirus pandemic continues to steam roll through our most vulnerable communities, emigrant communities, communities of color and the homeless and uninsured are bearing the brunt of the consequences for lackluster national crisis response. now private companies are stepping in. quote, ready responders, have already been providing in-home coronavirus testing and now they're expanding their efforts into public housing, hopele lho shelters and other at-risk and underserved communities.
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joining me is the co-founder and ceo of ready responders, justin dangle. thank you for being with me, justin. this is needed. tell me what got you, first of all, and your company involved in this and what exactly are you going to be doing now that you're expanding to public housing and homeless shelters and other places where uninsured people are? >> great. and that's for having me on. so we've been operating for a couple years now in new orleans and nevada and some other cities. when the covid pandemic began, we decided that we wanted to try to do everything we could to help people that needed it the most. and that really involved bringing testing but also care into some areas that are often excluded and left behind. we found a number of projects, i think the one that has probably gotten the most press so far is
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the project we've done with the new york city housing authority. we worked with the mayor, congressman meeks and other elected officials and we've done now upwards of a thousand tests inside developments but provided well over a couple thousand medical visits to people at home, many of them dealing with complex conditions and having trouble accessing care. >> now, what have you found as you have began this, what have you found to be some of the things that you're encountering that you did not expect or that you have been able to overcome, even if they did meet expectations of yours? >> well, these are always challenging environments to operate in. and so whether it's assisted living facilities that we worked with the governor of maryland in or whether it's the homeless motels in places like las vegas or again in maryland or the
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development, there's just a lot of need. there's a lot of people who have care needs that they're used to being able to see their physician regularly in person. and we're still seeing a high rate of positive tests across the system. so i guess what i would say is if it was something that surprised us is that we expected there to be a lot of need and it's been in many cases more extreme than we had anticipated. >> justin dangel, thank you for being with us tonight. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. >> someone is wearing a mask, they're not doing it to represent what political party they're in or what candidates they support. they might be doing it because they've got a 5-year-old child who's been going through cancer treatments. they might have vulnerable adults in their life who are currently with covid and they're
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on yesterday, president trump announced he is opening the houses of worship all over the country. i am appealing to all of my fellow men and women of faith in leadership to reject that, because clearly, we are not in a position where we can safely tell congregants of any faith to come in person and worship without risking their very lives and at best, risking their health. we've already seen churches that have prematurely opened up, where people then got sick and
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some even died. why would we even take this risk unless we are irresponsible and reckless with the faith and trust that people have given us? i lead a civil rights organization two-thirds of the board are pastors. i breach in a church every sunday because i am available to do so because my ministry is through the civil rights organization so i can travel and not deal with one but many congregations. i would love to be in a church tomorrow in person, but i feel that if we are going to be shepherds, we must protect the flock. protecting the flock is not having it manipulated for political reasons. yes, there are spiritual needs. yes, we are going through a lot of trauma and stress people need guidance. we need to be online, we need to be using technology to feed that. in fact, on memorial day, a day
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we will be remembering those that have died, national action network has four of america's outstanding faith leaders during an online facebook live presentation that i'm moderating at 7:30 p.m. on memorial night, that's monday. we will have shirley cesar, queen of gospel. reverend w. frank richardson and dewey smith and noel jones. we will talk how to build and strengthen your faith and get through the pandemic and how to build it at home and strengthen the community. that's how we will do what we're called to do. that does it for me. see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next, my colleague, chris jansing picks up our news coverage. verage
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good evening. i'm chris jansing. thanks for join us on msnbc. it's the start of a memorial day weekend where restrictions in many states are loosening. even as the number of coronavirus cases are growing. the president played golf. the traveled to virginia, his first round of golf in 75 days. meanwhile, the country is closing in on 1,000