good evening. i'm chris jansing. thanks for join us on msnbc. it's the start of a memorial day weekend where restrictions in many states are loosening. even as the number of coronavirus cases are growing. the president played golf. the traveled to virginia, his first round of golf in 75 days. meanwhile, the country is closing in on 1,000 deaths from

the coronavirus pandemic. that number is why this is a memorial day weekend unlike any other. no parades or large gatherings at cemeteries to honor the fallen and no stadiums full of baseball fans. we have seen the return in some places, like bars and restaurants, beaches. crowded in some places around the country while others remain closed. yes, there is golf. trump's outing, is definitely on message which has been his defiant push for things to return to normal, often against his own scientist's device as his poll numbers continue to fall. that was on display when he visited message and pointedly refused to wear a mask at a public event at a ford plant despite getting caught wearing one behind the scenes earlier. he didn't want to give the press the satisfaction of seeing him in a mask. this fuels the political and

cultural divide of wearing a mask. one time evident and nasty it brought an emotional response from the governor of north dakota, a republican. >> if someone is wearing a mask, they're not doing it to represent what political party they are in or candidates they support. they might be doing it because they have a 5-year-old child who's been going through cancer treatments. they might have vulnerable adults in their life currently on covid and fighting. if somebody wants to wear a mask, there should be no mask shaming. look at them and say, that person is wearing a mask because for them there is additional risk for them in their life. >> the president's defiance also on clear display when he ordered, we put that in quotation marks, it's not clear he has any way to do that, but he says he's ordering governors to open houses of worship with an eye clearly on his political

base. >> i'm identifying houses of worship, churches, synagogues and mosques as essential places that provided essential services. some governors have deemed a liquor store and abortion as essential and left out other houses of worship. it's not right. i'm correcting this injustice and calling houses of worship essential. >> let's bring in ann, who covers the white house for the "washington post" and dr. patel. so great to have both of you here. let me start with you because you have great reporting on the back story of the presidents a public push to reopen churches. what's going on here? >> reporter: this push to reopen churches has been going on several weeks. the first guidance from the cdc did not include specific

recommendations for churches and places of worship and other religious gatherings, such as inquire, picnics, church camp and things like that. there was a reason it was left out. there was a big political fight happening behind the scenes where the white house does not want to be seen as dictating to people of faith, particularly the president's conservative religious supporters, an important part of his religious political constituency about things like inquire practices. inquire practice seems like a strange thing to focus on. there have been two sources of pretty major outbreaks. there is something about sing ing close quarters that seems to spread the virus. the white house wanted to issue guidance for reopening churches as fast as possible but not be seen to be wagging the finger, so to speak, and letting faith

leaders make these choices for themselves. the guidance that emerged this week late wasn't that different than the guidance the news organizations got a look at a week or more ago. it was softened and then there was a debate about whether or not to put these things out with no fanfare at all. the president stepped in and said, no, i want to actually announce it. you can tell it's because he wanted to take some credit for doing so. >> dr. patel, as anne mentioned, we have seen problems of reopening churches in georgia and texas, that had to close again after members of the church tested positive. it was the same day the cdc issued that report how 35 people who attended services in rural arkansas in early march became infected. they spread it to another 26 people in their community and four of them died. what should people know, doctor,

before deciding whether to go to a church or synagogue or mosque tomorrow? >> it's pretty important the public actually think about what measures are being taken inside their church and faith-based organizations. simple things like social distancing, needing to make sure if they are using rugs or equipment, those are changed out in between visitors and obviously, frequent hand hygiene stations and given the debate over mass, at least indoors, especially indoors, having some sort of universal mask policy. i will tell you, i've spoken with faith-based leaders who are themselves afraid of not trying to put anybody in jeopardy. i don't think that this really -- there is no reason to politicize this, trying to keep people safe and hopefully we can do that over this long weekend and the summer. >> the president, clearly, if

you look at the polls, doesn't have the confidence of the majority of americans in his handling of this and he lashed out at fox after they released a new poll that showed voters trust joe biden to do a better job on healthcare by 17 points, coronavirus itself by nine points. is there any recognition you hear from the white house what they've been doing so far isn't working? >> certainly, there is recognition at the campaign. i wouldn't call it panic but there is certainly concern about those poll numbers and others. their own internal polling isn't really any better. the president has a long standing beef with fox over the pollster they used and the methodology they used. certainly, this was in his view, a bad poll and he lashed out as a result. the other thing going on here is the president is trying to shore up his key constituencies and certainly, you see that in the way he's handling the reopening

of places of worship. there are other ways he's signaling and sending messages to his key constituency. even if his national approval numbers and poor marks for his handling of the crisis, even if that continues, the campaign does see a path to reelection if he holds his base together and biden either makes a misstep or the president is able to sideline biden not so much over the handling of coronavirus, other issues, one of the reasons he went over biden so hard this week with the potential gaffe he made during an interview the other day. >> as i watched the governor of north dakota there, and you and i both worked as reporters in the obama white house, and we saw the way he handle times of great difficulty, the president's empathy for people

is such a stark contrast to the governor. we're showing again, for people doing the right thing for the right reasons and facing attack for it. we may never know, although i'm sure people will study it. in times of crisis, we still do look to our president to be the consoler in chief. we look to our president to be someone who understands what we're going through. that's something the polls don't necessarily look at specifically, but i wonder if the numbers we're seeing aren't a reflection of that as well as the economy, as well as they're concerned about mixed messages. >> chris, you certainly, you may be on to something there. lead by example factor that this president doesn't make a lot of effort to do, and his advisories will acknowledge often he's not going to be a consoler in chief

and that wasn't what he was elected to do. the words they use are baked in. people understand who trump is. he's not that empathetic. he's not a crier. it's never going to be who he is. he was elected and some people wanted something else. that's the trump specific defense there. it's interesting to me with governor burghum there, he was just at the white house a little over a week ago. that was trump in the oval office not wearing a mask as he made his usual round of political attacks on others, and didn't say anything about it. i think it's absolutely the right thing to do, for the governor to make this political point, make this point that masks are not political and use his bully pulpit as governor to do so. i do wonder why he didn't make more of a point of that when he had an even bigger stage at the

white house. >> anne gearrin and dr. kavita pavel. michigan's attorney general, following trump's visit to the ford motor plant. it first started over mail-in voting, and now trump spending most of his tour at the ford plant without wearing a mask, against ford's rule that everyone must follow the cdc guidelines. >> can you take us through the thought process why you decided not to wear one. >> i did wear one. i had one on before. i wore one in the back area and didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it. >> trump was photographed as he was referenced wearing a mask during a brief part of the tour. she called him the petulant

trial and he called her the wacky do-nothing attorney general. good to see you, madam ag. we know bill ford asked the president to wear a mask. what's your take away from the president to wear one. >> first of all, i'm disappointed in his nickname for he. he spelled my name the right way so that's impressive. do-nothing, wacky, he can do better than that if he tried a little harder. you're better than that, mr. president. we had conversations and words following this. i know they understand the great importance of protecting their workers. i think they were disappointed as well the president did not follow their instruction. i think what's important to take away from this, no matter who it is, even the president of the united states, they have to stick to these protocols, policies and laws implemented in

our states to keep everybody safe. as attorney general, that's my job is to enforce the law so we're protecting everybody, whether that be workers at the factory, other types of businesses. we have people working and the customers they serve. everybody needs to stay safe here and that's the message we want to send. >> let me ask you more about that messaging obviously. these are challenging times for every single state. they have to look at the numbers and make decisions how and when to reopen. do you think the people of your state largely ignored the contradictions coming out of the white house, fauci saying wear a mask and the president not doing it or it becomes a challenge for those in individual states? >> i think the vast majority of michiganers understand the vast majority of these regulations and protect family members and community members as a whole. the numbers i've seen are in the

neighborhood of 70% of michiganers really appreciate all these measures. the problem is that other 30% i don't think would be as high if we didn't have the president instigating this and sending contradictory messages. it doesn't take that many people to spread the virus. we have nearly 10 million people in our state. we can't have 3 million people roaming around and not abiding by these orders because the virus will spread like wildfire. we have been doing such a great job flattening the curve and everything gretchen whitman has done in our state, has been impactful and people appreciate that. we don't want to see whole counties infected and the numbers rise and rise again. we have lost so many people in our state, we don't want to lose inform. >> the safest and quell being around the country, you can't

ignore in 2020 the politics of this. it is a little confusing, given overwhelmingly, the american people remain nervous and want to take things slowly. in 2016, a fox news poll has joe biden up 41% -- >> sorry, i can't hear you. >> have we lost you completely are or we back? >> now, i can hear you. >> i was asking about the politics of this because you can't ignore it in 2020. this new fox news poll has joe biden up 49-41% in your state over donald trump, which trump, as you know, won in 2016. do you buy those poll numbers? >> i don't know if they're realistic or not. i will say so much always

depends on turnout in our state. what frequently happens, the higher turnout, the better democrats tend to do. when people stay home, that's when democrats lose because there are more democrats than republicans in our state, as simple as that. 2016 is a very unusual situation. we had gary johnson, joestein, who garnered a lot of votes and a lot of people that didn't vote for the top of the ticket. i truly believe that, you know, joe biden can pull it off here. i have to say, i hope all the things trump is doing right now, including threatening to withhold federal funds from our state, in the event people dare to vote absentee, i hope those are the kind of things people will remember come november because we're a state that obviously needs help, a donor state to begin with, we send

more money than is sent back to us. disrespecting our state residents by not wearing a mask when he comes here, all of this stuff, i hope michigan residents have had enough and want someone in the white house that will respect us and respect our state residents more than this president does. >> michigan attorney general, dana nessel, thank you so much. we want to show you something we just got, video from the president's golf outing today fist bumping one of his golf partners. there was a photograph he was seen shaking hands with others although that was not captured on video. this goes against social distancing rules we heard on the coronavirus task force. coming up, the latest on joe biden's controversial, you ain't black, comment. the new move by the president's campaign to capitalize on it and what team

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wise guy and cavalier responding to what i thought was -- anyway, i don't take it for granted at all. no one should have to vote on any party based on their race, religion, background. >> joining me now, texas congresswoman sheila jackson-lee and reverend sharpton, host of politics nation on msnbc. i just want to read for you both part of a "new york times" op-ed that summarized the backlash. to many black americans, that comment seemed to confirm what charlamagne the host thought when mr. biden offered to send a surrogate in his place. the democrats underestimate black voters and sees them as a monolift and take theirs support for granted. is that what you think they're taking away from? >> i hope not. the good news is the vice

president and charlamagne had a good discussion and almost debate. the vice president was able to give a very important plan for the african-americans. the other good news is we are invigorated and engaged in this whole discussion, if you will, the whole idea of our blackness and whole idea who stands for african-americans in this country. i think the vice president made it very clear it was wisecrack he shouldn't have said. he regrets it. what is important is that he is engaging the distinction. he was on the breakfast club and he has a plan. one thing about african-americans, chris, we understand truth. we are very good at knowing the truth. the truth is very clear when it comes to president trump. he calls africa fo country. every single voting rights state he has called the justice department to be opposing

rights, he opposes section 5 of the vote rights. he engages in promoting those who promote hate. there are good people on both sides in charlottesville. we understand truth here. i don't believe we should sit down or lay down on any candidate. i don't believe the vice president believes in that. he believes in vigorously taking every single vote seriously. that's what i hope comes out of this important debate. i don't disregard it. i appreciate every voice and compliment and criticism. we're ready to take it on and show we will serve american people and in particular, we will fight for african-americans in this campaign. >> republicans clearly see an opening here. mike pence is going after biden. i want to play comments he made to breitbart today. >> it was offensive and racist. he should apologize to the more than 1.3 million americans that

supported president trump in 2016, just for starters. but it's -- it -- i can't say info any more about it. i was taken aback. i can't help but feel there was some desperation in the vice president's comments. i expect, democrats are starting to sense because of the president's leadership, because of the way he's been a champion for all americans, including african-americans, we're drawing more and more people to our side. >> reverend al, i wonder what you make of what vice president pence had to say. do joe biden's comments give the trump campaign ammunition? >> i think what the vice president said is delusional. you look at the last poll that came out this week, president trump was 3% among black voters.

i don't know what more and more people he sees coming to their side. the fact is what vice president biden said was in my opinion something that's inappropriate. he said he was cavalier and he shouldn't have said it. if they want to start comparing what people say, this president started his political career saying that the president of the united states who was black was not even an american, wasn't born here. he started his career as a political contestant, as one that would use us against them. charlottesville, when he talked about people marching to preserve a confederate statute, we're getting ready to have memorial day, chris, where we deal with the beginning of memorial day, with the union army, people who died to take us out of slavery, many of the black soldiers that helped the army fight, general robert lee was the general of the

confederate, president trump said there were fine people on both sides. they don't want to get into racist quotes, the congresswoman talked about calling african nations fo countries. they can do that for free and don't need a million because we will be here the rest of the hour talking about things donald trump said about racism. don't let us go back to central park 5. >> i don't think anybody is making a suggestion, suddenly there will be a huge exodus of black voters away from joe biden and to donald trump. the fear of some folks who remember 2016 visibly, will they stay home? do these kinds of things -- i think it does maybe -- i don't want to say reinforce. it is true there is a sense among some black voters they've been taken for granted and could it have a dampening effect if there are statements like that?

>> that's the fear. you have to turn people on to turn them out. he has to, mr. biden, come with concrete plans, why they should believe what he will do for them. talk about the eight years he sat there as a vice president. i was the one that fought him on the crime bill in the '90s. he said there was unintentional consequences there. he worked with barack obama on commuting sentences and policing. he needs to come with his record and his plan, his 22 page plan and why people should believe him. you have to turn people on to bring them out. i do not think blacks will go with trump but he has to give them a reason to come out and vote, particularly when we're seeing such voter suppression records already enacted and have to be in many ways energized. >> i don't want to miss what was talked about at the end of the interview, joe biden asked about a black woman vp and said he was

interviewing several candidates. do you believe that it will be a black woman who is the nominee, and who do you see as the front-runner, congresswoman? >> i hope so. i think the decision has to be made by the campaign. let me say this, chris. a black woman cannot be put in a box. we can be many things. throughout this administration we have right now, there is a dearth of talent. most of the talent offices and agencies are vacant. the vice president will have an excellent opportunity with the many talented women across the nation, names of whom we don't know are on the list. we can be cabinet offices, vice presidents, on the supreme court. there has never been an african-american woman on the supreme court. i would not limit an african woman or man to be leaders in this government.

i want to focus on that and the fact that african-americans understand truth. we're fighting over covid-19. we have the highest motalent rate. we are dying, black people understand that. we have not received our share of ppes or masks as i had on before, we know it tasting. you judge. i believe and those champions, joe biden, can stand on his record and passion and compassion. what he has to do is get out and also engage leaders of all levels, those criticizing, those courting, get engaged with your record. i like a man that says he will repeal president trump's ridiculous corporate tax relief he gave and put that money back in small businesses and improving education for the american people and african-americans. i think if we do that we will

have an excited population and a group of voters who happen to be african-americans, who know the truth, see the truth and vote for the truth. >> congresswoman sheila jackson-lee, thank you so much. reverend al sharpton, thank you for sticking around after your show. two programming notes. tomorrow morning, charlamagne will join us on this discussion and you can watch reverend al sharpton host politics nation on msnbc and will be joined by simone sanders tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern. meantime, house democrats are now demanding inspector general linick get his job back after fired pending an investigation into state department pompeo. your transactions and check your balance from here. you can detect suspicious activity on your account from here.

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pressure on secretary of state mike pompeo over his recommendation to fire a state inspector general investigating him. after recommending that steve linick be reinstated, the democrats called it the latest in a series of politically motivated firing and proposed a bill to prospect inspectors general from retaliation and looking into whether taxpayer resources were used for personal purposes. pompeo was regularly holding elaborate madison dinners on the government's dime up until coronavirus became widespread. the gathering included an elite guest list of heavyweights and and ambassadors and ceos entertained at one point by a harpist. joining me, deputy secretary of

state for legislative affairs and jewish outreach director. i want to talk about these affairs never on pompeo's public schedule although it was said they provided an opportunity to discuss the mission of the state department. democrats can argue it's pure politics for pompeo to get support for a possible senate or future presidential run. was there anything like these dinners when you were at state? >> chris, great to be with you. i hope you're doing well as well. there was nothing like this at the state department for the obama administration upon this is a taxpayer funded slush fund for mike pompeo's political future. no other way to look at this. the names pulled together and list all orchestrated by his buy on a g-mail account which raises bells on all the anger that used to come out of mike pompeo how hillary clinton is engaged at

the state department with private e-mail. now, they're having off the books e-mails, gathering names with taxpayer money with no foreign policy connection. it's important to understand at high level dinners where the secretary of state will bring in people, typically, when it's foreign policy related, a desk officer, official handles that portfolio will engage the secretary and there will be follow-up after. none of that happened in this case. this has been going on for months for nearly two years. >> we learned about these dinners as the dems were looking into firing of it. g. steve linick investigating whether mr. pompeo and his wife, susan, used that taxpayer paid employee to run personal errands and whether they circumvented congress with saudi arabia and uae.

i know you wrote a piece about this for "the daily beast." what's the issue as you see it? >> the core issue is transparency. the core issue is about ensuring the american people, we know what our government is doing. that's why we have inspectors general, they're independent. they don't report to the secretary in an actual substantive way, supposed to be inspecting the agency. this administration it has transparency. let's make no bones about it. they fired up to four inspectors general in recent weeks to get away anybody with understanding what they're doing. they already pushed away congress. speaking to the saudi arms sale, that was opposed by congress. pompeo didn't listen to what congress wanted and then the inspector general was asked to study it and he was fired, hot on the trail. clearly, they don't want transparency and what they're

doing with taxpayer money. >> there's a history, right, very simple straightforward, 1978, watergate, inspectors generals were put in and they've done things like rooting out billions of dollars misspent, taxpayer dollars in afghanistan. it was inspectors general who uncovered torture and a lot of less well-known things. what do you see happening as a result of this? what's the message to, i think, something like 74 other inspectors general when they see what's happening, as you say, with not just the firing of linick but others. >> the message is clear from the top, don't inspect, don't investigate, don't do your job for the american people and telling the civil service across the government, don't speak out, no whistleblowers.

despite the horrendous mismanagement, we are seeing people like dr. bright getting attacked and fired and essentially says to the american people their government can't be trusted because we don't know what's taking place. there used to be bipartisan consensus about inspectors general. joe biden spoke about it the other day, maybe joe grassley and mitt romney spoke up. they haven't been backing it. they know they investigate and know what happens when they do. it's a very concerning development. >> i only have a minute left. i want to ask you about something happening in the middle of this and the global pandemic. president trump deciding he will withdraw from another major arms accord, open skies treaty. help us understand what that is and why it matters. >> really, a gift to vladimir

putin. it insures we get to see what russia is doing in its military employment and they have concurrent ability to see us. by taking it away we see less what's happening in russia and less confidence with our nuclear force and theirs. to add to that the other day, the white house is thinking about nuclear testing as well. all of a sudden, this horrid mix fewer of getting away from nuclear arms treaties and talking about nuclear testing is really setting us back, as if we don't have enough on our plate with the pandemic, now, we're talking about potential nuclear arms races and what's coming from the white house as a result of this move. >> former obama assistant, thank you very much. and an article you have to see in the "new york times."

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attorney with the legal service center. she's been dealing with this situation up close. thank you so much for taking the time away from what i know is a very busy time to tell us about this. you represented one of the children in the story. tell us about her and what happened to her. >> yes. the government is using the pandemic as pretext to deport unaccompanied children in u.s. government custody against the law in violation of their rights. so we sooefd a call about 8:00 at night on monday, may 11th from a 14-year-old client who i.c.e. was trying to deport that night. she was supposed to be on a commercial air flight at 3 a.m., leaving us with a few hours to stop this unlawful deportation. we're talking about the u.s. government using taxpayer dollars in the middle of a pandemic to deport unaccompanied

children to countries that they have fled. in our case this 14-year-old girl was facing the prospect of being sent back to a country where she has no living parents. her father was murdered. her sister was kidnapped there and that's why she and her mother and sister fled. it is unconscionable to using government resources now or at any time in violation of children's rights. >> the article also describes the plight of a 10-year-old boy nailed gersen. his mother sen ht him to live wh his uncle in houston and she lost track of him for six days. she received a panicked phone call from a cousin in honduras who said the little boy was with

her, she seemed confused about how he ended up back in the dangerous place he had fled. as you speak to other attorneys, how common or unkpcommon is thi story in your recent experience in. >> unfortunately, our case was not isolated. we are seeing a pattern emerge in new york and elsewhere of the government and i.c.e. specifically effectuating these old removal orders, deporting children in the middle of the night in violation of the law. and congress with bipartisan support provided particular protections to unaccompanied children like gersen as well that is supposed to prevent these deportations to dangerous situations without parents or anyone else to receive them. there's supposed to be protection against trafficking, other forms of abuse that children are particularly vulnerable to, and we are seeing

the government flout that law right now. >> hanna, thank you for the work you and the other folks there do to protect these children. we do appreciate it and we appreciate your time. that's going to wrap things up for me this hour on msnbc, but before we go, we want to take one more look at the the "new york times" front page tomorrow, which honors the victims of the coronavirus deaths, nearing 100,000. these shortly bits from their obituaries include orlando, 56, bronxville, new york, grab hold of the american dream. and orlando -- joseph schoenfeld, 71, volunteer youth football coach, and theodore, a washington d.c. photographer of

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good evening. i'm ali velshi picking up msnbc's special coverage of the pandemic. millions would be hitting the road this weekend to mark the unofficial start of summer, but for the first time in 20 years, triple a didn't release information before memorial day and estimated travel would be the lowest ever of memorial day weekend. the staggering number of deaths isily straut is illustrated on the front page of the "new york times." while states are starting to slowly reopen, the president continues to try to speed things up. >> i'm identifying houses of worship, churches, synagogue and mosques as essential places that