good morning. today is sunday may 24th. i'm ali velshi. we begin with what many americans waking up to cursety of the "new york times." names representing 100,000 americans dead from the coronavirus. let that sink in. 100,000 deaths. the number the president back in march said would show that his administration did a very good job at handling the virus, and while trump may think losing the lives of 100,000 people is a victory, they say a picture is worth 1,000 words and since this represents 100,000 americans dead from coronavirus, president trump, i hope you're listening. that's something even republican governor from north dakota doug burgham was hoping to get across. >> if someone is wear ag mask they're not doing it to represent what political party they're in or what candidates they support. might be doing it because they have a 5-year-old child who's

been going through cancer treatments. they might have -- vulnerable adults in their life who are currently, have covid and fighting. again, i would just love to see our state as part of being north dakota smart also be north dakota kind, north dakota empathetic. >> trump, meanwhile, seems to have lost interest in a full-scale battle against the pandemic and shifted his attention back to politics, twitter and golf. one tweet sent out while golfing simply said transition to greatness. trump's desperation to play golf after being unable to visit his resort since march gave former vice president joe biden all the ammo he needed for a new ad released overnight. ♪

trump also spent the weekend in a twitter ballots with his first attorney general and the man who was the first sitting republican senator to endorse his run for president. jeff sessions. trump still isn't over sessions decision, the lawful and ethical one i might add to recuse himself from overseeing the mueller iran investigation. trump said you had your chance and blew it. sessions fired back i did my dut around you're damn fortunate i did. while these two bicker there are people with real life and death problems like in massachusetts continuing to see a rise in cases and nearly three months

after assured there would be ample testing faced continued testing shortages. governor charlie baker of massachusetts has pledged more funding for testing but also called on residents to keep up with social distancing. in a speech in lawrence, massachusetts, a state hot spot, he urged citizens to continue the fight against the virus in honor of those soldiers who died in combat. >> memorial day is when we celebrate the ones who didn't make it home and their families. you don't want to wear a mask because you don't like wear ag mask don't want to social distance because you don't want to social distance, please, think about those families. those moms and dads, those brothers and sisters, those sons and daughters, of those who lost their lives fighting for your freedom to put on that mask and just do it for them. >> the governor's visit to

lawrence came as the city begins more widespread testing. lawrence is a city with a heavy population of essential workers, and has "the" fourth highest per capita rate of infection in massachusetts. city officials there warn they expect the number of cases to increase. with me now, dan rivera, mayor of lawrence, massachusetts. mayor, thank you for joining us. you know, these are the stories that are important, because the country or some people in this country and in the administration have the impression we turned the corner on this. left it behind us. many more infections and deaths are to come and places like yours in a state that has been lauded for doing the right thing continue. why are cases going up in lawrence? >> listen, like you said, we are the essential workers of the merrimack valley. so every day people have to go out, few jobs existing, they have to go out and do those jobs. really this weekend we're doing two memorial days. memorial days for veterans but

also the memorial day for all the people who died due to coronavirus. for us, 112 souls. we only lost 19 men and women, i don't mean only, but lost 19 men and women in vietnam. to lose 112 souls in the time we've been fighting this virus is crazy, but same time a perfect storm. haven't done nuenough testing. imagine per capita? only 180 tests a day. reach too our own pockets due to lack of federal leadership to pay for our own. we have to take money off our pockets to pay for testing. >> reaching into your own pocket is one of the reasons i so think it's important to hear from mayors on this show. mayors don't have certain options when it comes to money. states have fewer options. fewer options than the federal government has, but mayors have none. you can't spend what you don't have have to cut elsewhere to increase testing and tracing? >> 100%.

you know, we have to figure out, in these times what's important. we made it very important, actually had to buy laptops and computers for our kids early on spent $3.2 million doing that. listen, we have $1 million to spend on testing, get it done. because we know the men and women in our community that are actually working, displaced because child-care closed, part of the economy, 1,400 uber drivers in the city of lawrence. all of those people need to be tested. we know enough to stay away from each other. >> what's your plan for reopening? under partial reopening right now? >> yeah. so i was part of the reopening committee for the commonwealth and we're doing little by little getting people out and same time ready to shut back down. retail by curb side. a lot more curb side and ordering and by appointment. i know people have had a little cabin fever, but it's only been a few months, and vietnam war

was eight years. some of these other things we've asked people to deal with have been longer term. if we don't do this right we might be into this a year of an half, two years. more importantly, we have so many people and so packed, 6.7 square mimes and close to 85,000 people that live here. >> amazing. mayor, thoughts with you. thank you for joining us this morning. dan rivera of lawrence, massachusetts, the mayor there. thank you. one of the things you know we do on this show, taking time every week to bring you the stories of those we have lost. of course, now that we're reaching almost 100,000, "new york times" today has on its cover 1,000 names of people and a little bit about each of them. i would like to read a couple for you because that is something we take very seriously here. one of the names is mayrion kruger from kirkland, washington. 85 years old. a great grandmother with an easy

laugh. donald from pennsylvania co-wrote nine books about computing. louvenia henderson from yaupsta new york a proud single mother of three. and from chicago, illinois. walmart co-workers were like his family, he said. dale thurman, 65 of lexington, kentucky was a tailor known for exacting work and his strong opinions. and here in new york city, anne kolb, 78. she was a leader in integrating schools. we'll be right back. we.

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the white house is discussing the possibility of testing nuclear weapons for the first time since 1992. a move that could rupture decades of nuclear nonproliferation efforts and potentially lead to destabilizing consequences in an

already fragile world order. talk of the nuclear test comes just after president trump announced that the u.s. would be withdrawing from the 30-year-old open skies treaty that ironically was signed the same year as the last weapons test. 1992. now, earlier in his presidency trump departed from the intermediate range nuclear treaty and the iran deal saying they could be renegotiate and iran would be back to talk. the iran deal took almost a decade to negotiate. in his recent withdrawal from the open skies treaty trump once again suggested withdrawal could spark new negotiations this time with russia. >> the other side doesn't adhere, many many cases old agreements, we pull out also. what's going to happen we're going to pull out and they're come back and want to make a deal. we've had a very good relationship lately with russia.

>> despite a trump's optimism russia vowed to uphold the agreement warning about the impact of the u.s. decision on security echoing nato and european allies. joining me host of g zero world on pbs and an admiral of nato and msnbc and nbc chief international security and diplomatic analyst also the author of "sailing true north: ten admirals and voice of character." gentlemen, thank you for being with us. the reason i have assembled both of you, this is a big deal. it is not just the open skies treaty, which is just one treaty, but when you pile it on the other treaties, pile it on the president's derision towards nato, the world health organization, the world trade organization, the united nations, there's definitely a message about leadership that is coming across, and that is, america first means america not with everybody else.

>> well, it certainly is true that one thing that's been very consistent about president trump since he took office is that he doesn't believe that existing treaties and architecture benefit the united states. even if we're the ones that put it together. he doesn't like multilateral, constraints of multilateralism, and in some cases he's right. that the old organizations and institutions and agreements aren't as relevant. for example, when he got rid of nafta and replaced it with a u.s., canada and mexico agreement, improved agreement of an old one that no longer affected economics of the three countries. in the case of canada and mexico they need us a lot more. the nuclear deal, or with the russians and chinese, trump says i'm going to break this. the ability to put something new together is virtually zero and

we end up in a weaker place than before. clearly talking about the institutions you just discussed and as well as open skies, just as important, end of the day not replaced by anything puts the united states in a weaker position. >> that's an important point. it is just another stop on the road. open skies is not the most important thing. i would say, admiral, nato is one of the most important things and even that has been under constant attack by the president and it was not easy to come to. it was a war that made it -- a cold war that made nato important. so the fear is not open skies. that's not the thing everybody is losing sleep over. it's america's position on the world stage. something you and i discussed with concern a number of times. >> indeed. and just to add to the conversation, let's recall that when the administration came into office effectively the first thing it did, pull out of the paris climate agreement. hard to think of an agreement

that is more important than that compared to, say, the open skies treaty. walked way from the trans-pacific partnership, a major trade agreement in the pacific that would have given us great leverage, i think, with china. so dr. bremmer, my dear friend, ian, he's absolutely right. it's part of a pattern and what ought to really concern us. to the military point, ali. certainly the greatest comparative advantage of the united states of america globally is this network of allies, partners and friends and runs on a diplomatic and economic level but a very real military capability and of course not just 30 nations of nato. go to the pick. japan, south korea, australia, new zealand, singapore, on and on and on. chi china, no allies. rouge few allies effectively in the world. this is an advantage to hold on to.

not because we want to invade or attack but because military capability particularly with allies partners and friends conveys real deterrence. >> ian, these conversations get sophisticated because it isn't just about isolationism or trade protectionism. these military alliances and our arms agreement. the military aligns with people we are allied and arms agreements with countries that are adversaries. they somehow seem less important to people. we are far away from wars. we don't think about them as much, so people don't think much of discarding of these thing. collectively it is part of what america represents to the world. are we giving some of that away? >> we're definitely giving it away if not trying to reform it or replace it. now, jim is a good friend and he warned me that if i disparaged nato he'd give me a haircut. i have to avoid e ththat.

we need to recognize nato today is the most important security ay lina a ay -- alliance in the world and yet its focus and nuclear capabilities and aligning the transamerica countries essentially towards russia. think who are moat important add vo -- adversaries of the u.s. is today it's china and particularly technology, not to say good rid of nato at all. just to say the world changed so much and our institutions haven't. if you don't have a plan to create new institutions that reflect a changing global order, we are in long term going to end up in a much worse precision. i don't like the way trump approached this unilaterally at all but we need to recognize the broader truth. actually, our institutions haven't evolved much over many

decades while the world really has. >> gentlemen, thank you for your time this morning. ian bremmer president of the eurasia groups. >> one last comment, ali. >> sorry. admiral. go ahead. >> we both agree ian needs that haircut and could look at good as you and i do if he got that haircut. last thought, think of these as cars. i think these institutions need tune-ups, but to drive them over the cliff would be a big mistake. >> well said. thank you, gentlemen, for joining me this morning. ian good luck with the haircut. ian bremmer president of the eurasia group and host of g zero on pbs, which you should watch. a lot of fun. and the admiral, nbc's chief diplomacy analyst and author of "ten ways ".

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all right. it's an election year and republicans are getting nervous they could lose control of the senate pointing to the floundering economy and the way the president is dealing with the pandemic. from the beginning of the election cycle the top democrat, targets for democrat senator martha mcsally of arizona senator cory gardner of colorado senator susan collins of maine an then senator thom tillis of north carolina joined the top tier. now ten seats could be in play and republicans could be facing some disadvantages. the country is getting more urban and suburban versus rural while trump struggles with suburban voters especially college educated white women. the country is getting more diverse while the republican party is becoming more dependent on white voters. the nation is getting better educated while the gop is becoming more dependent upon whites with less than a four-year college degree, and

the country is becoming more secular while the republican party depends on white evangelical and conservative catholic voters and republican having a major problem with younger voters and ranks of the silent generation and baby boomers shrink. joining me, from "the political report" nbc political analyst. good to see you. those things you list, i broached that from you. trends undergoing some time and looked for a time including in the last election that the demographic trends in america support democrats more than they support republicans, and then we saw donald trump. so why would things be different now in 2020? >> you know, i mean, in the rnc report the autopsy that came out after mitt romney's loss in 2012 they recommended the party be sort of -- start gearing itself to groups they were having

challenges with, but the republicans sort of embraced the digital part of the recommendations and ignored a lot of the others. it turned out not to be -- i think in 2016 because of secretary clinton's baggage and all of that, they sort of cheated demographic death, and then in 2018, the demographics hit the republican party hard in the house races, but the senate races were in mostly red, small states with big, small town rural populations. so it insulated them and they were able to pick up seats. now this time the battle is for the most part in competitive -- meaning competitive-type states and states with fast-growing suburbs in many cases and changing populations -- in north carolina, georgia. these aren't southern states as much as they used to be. so it's a lot of change going on, but we've gone in a situation from republicans

having maybe a one in three chance -- excuse me. democrats have a one in three chance of getting majority to now it's pretty much 50/50. >> how much of this has to do with presidential candidates? in many cases, alabama probably the exception, but in many cases the president is more popular amongst the electorate than the republican senator in some of these states. how much of this has to do with the fact the president is becoming less popular or suffering because of this virus and weakening of the economy? >> well, no. i think a lot of these -- some of these were sort of pre-existing and not terribly trump related. some are. as you said it early on. these are demographic challenges, but president trump aggravates these challenges with younger voters, with college educated women. all that. it takes pre-existing conditions, and makes them somewhat worse. so there's -- there's a little bit of both.

unique circumstances. in georgia you have an appointed incumbent with stock transactions that were pretty questionable. montana, you've got, you know, the only democrat in the state that could beat a republican -- changes his mind and gets in. you have a lot of different circumstances in different places but it adds up where there are multiple paths to a majority for democrats, and eight months ago, it looks like they would have had to have run the table. win everything they could possibly win to get to majority. now they've got multiple paths. >> thank you. charlie cook, editor and publisher of "the cook political report." good to see you. american families and businesses are crumbling under economic pressure of this pandemic and now president trump's senior economic adviser predicts a massive peak in unemployment next month. kevin hassett joins me live at the white house after this break. the white house after this break. igh protein...

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we are in this big tug-of-war between what our state says we can do and what our local health officer says we can do. it's not been fun. >> unfortunately i think a lot of restaurants aren't going to reopen. based and the ppe if they don't adjust it, in three, four months a few more restaurants will go bankrupt. >> i hoped this week would go better than last week.

deliveries picked up but sales dropped off dramatically. previously 25% of what they were before covid. and now it's probably, you know, dropped down maybe another 10%. so, this is tough times. >> all right. across the country the economic situation is dire. more than 38 million americans have tifiled for unemployment insurance since the covid pandemic began. nearly a quarter of the u.s. work force. although the new number, or the number of new weekly claims is is dropping from week to week the level of continuing claims, a much clearer picture of the situation, continues to increases. latest number, increase more than 2.5 million surpassing 38 million claims. now new research out of the university of chicago estimates that 42% of the pandemic-related layoffs could be permanent. joining me from the white house is senior adviser to the president on the economic task

force and the former chairman of the council of economic advisers kevin hassett. good to see you. you staying healthy? >> i am, ali. hope you are, too. >> good. i am, thank you. you mentioned you think the economy bottomed on the 11th or 12th of april. you know more than most do about these things. does that mean if it's bottomed we are in recovery now? >> yeah. definitely in recovery now in the sense that if you go back to early april, that about 50% of american businesses were open and 50% closed, and right now as of the latest numbers, closing in probably by monday will be about 70% open. and so open doesn't mean your sales are back to where they were. there's still a lot of economic pain over the next few months but the fact is jetra-of- -- directing in the right direction. requests for directions and all saying basically people are at least half way back to normal, if not a little bit more.

>> how worried are you about the places where we're seeing that, that have reopened, seeing resurgences or increase in cases causing something that makes everybody go back to closing down again? >> you know what? something we built this massive database, the task force has, where we, you know, look at every single place by their rules and then watch what happens to the spread of the disease so that we're ready to advise local officials or dr. birx of the cdc, they're ready to advise should they see something. so far what's happening the places opening up have not seen big changes in the trajectory of the disease. you know, that cases are down about 50% right now. and so that's like a big plus, but what we are seeing is still outbreaks in places that are closed. like so i think one of the places where the disease is the most challenging right now is right here in the washington, d.c. area, which is a place that's the most closed. i think only about 40% of

businesses in the u.s. are in washington, d.c. -- those folks, but mostly the places that are closed not the places that are open. >> look at unemployment. right now at 14.7%. that's april's number. get may's number soon. your thinking 22 or 23% in may. for may. and then the june number possibly higher. remember, looking at 24.9% in the depression. will we hit that? >> there's a very technical thing. the good thing about our long relationship, ali, you let me talk about technical things. a tricky thing in the measurement. basically say you didn't work last week in the household survey they ask you why. if you were furloughed because of this ppp program you're supposed to count as unemployed, but for a lot of those folks, they treated them as if they were separated for some other reason than, so that they

shouldn't count and that was a lot of people adjust for that, number last month more like 19%. go up 3%, 4% from there, about what we would expect for may assuming they continue to make this error, however, you'll understand up with a number e below 20% if you measure it correctly the number is 20%. we talked in that range to about april. the fact is, though, that that's looking backward. looking forward seeing all sorts of re-ignition of the economy. people reconnecting to the workforce. businesses opening back up and so on. so that number is not going to be an accurate reflection how the economy is doing right then when it comes out. >> so what does it change to? we've got -- talked to ken rogoff last night, thought a double digit unemployment until at least middle 2021. what's your guess? do you think we'll still going to be -- does that make sense to

you? >> rii'm very good friends with ken and have a great deal of respect. he is another colleague from harvard i've interacted with who has a completely opposite view. truth is economisting are in unchartered waters now and it's something we figure out maybe even with 2020 hindsight, won't be able to see clearly what actually happened. if you look at the capital stock of the u.s., it's whole. look at the human capital stock in the u.s., that most working-age people can still go back to work. of course, there have been tragic losses, but the main inputs to society are there. so then the question is, what happens to demand? is there enough demand to get those in? >> right. unfortunately -- >> yeah. but the point is -- >> that's the thing that's kept us going. right? >> well, a lot of demand right now looking at the realtime data. in fact, you can see pent-up demands, where for some of the measures we look at, sales in the most recent week, above

sales from a year ago. presumably because people were, yearning to buy this or that and, stuck at home. then came out. then they sort of filled the hole of the stuff they didn't buy. absolutely the demand is ramping up rapidly and there's something quite striking in the data to me, ali. i know you love to dig into this. there is a big, blue-red divide in ramping up of the data. red states, you probably covered, turning back on. their economying ramping up. people heading back out to stores and so on. then in the blue states much less so. so there's a big, big difference in the ex-tents tent to see a r economic recovery depending on the traditionally red or blue states. hopefully that variation disappears really, really soon but i imagine play out over the summer, if there continues to be places closed or open you'll

have places with thriving economies and places looking towards deep recessions and so i don't think we've ever had a state of the economic like that where there were pockets really, really in a deep recession and others doing fine. >> well, a research from the university of chicago estimates 42% of covid-19-related layoffs may be permanent. so if you think we were at what? 4 -- 3.4% before we started maybe say at really at 17% or 18% last month and maybe into the 20s, take 40%, we're still stuck in over 10% unemployment for a while. how do we get out of that and what does the federal government do about it? >> again, steve davis, old friend of mine, worked with me at the american enterprise ins student and both visiting scholars and stanford or hoover, at least until i took a break to come back to the white house. a good researchers that could happen.

jobs destroyed and don't come back, basically, that would be what you would normally expect would happen if you saw a decline as big as what we just saw. right now we're living in a world with the biggest ever economic shock. shut down the economy basically for april. then had the biggest ever stimulus. the stimulus bill we passed was bigger than the entire stimulus for the entire 1930s in the new deal. it was just the change in spending this year, it's bigger and in inflation adjusted dollars than highest-ever spending during the 1930s. we've got the biggest ever negative shock and biggest ever positive shock. nobody's models are tuned to things of that scale to say yeah, 40% of people will be permanently unemployed. we'll judge it as the disease. watch things come in every day and update our beliefs about what's going on and right now for the last three, four weeks since you and i last talked, updating my beliefs positively based and realtime data that's been through the roof.

>> talk about something that's smaller scale, then. that is that social distancing is going to continue at some level everywhere and small businesses can't do that. they can't -- restaurants don't exist with 30 or 40 or 50% capacity. that's a lot of business. airlines. grant money lasts until end of september to keep people on pay rolls. paycheck protection program keeps people on pay rolls eight weeks. what happens after that? on a very mackerel level on the shore time is there a role for government play in that bridge? >> what we're seeing is, yes, there is a role, ali. what we're also going to see this week, i think we expect legislation that extends the ppp period from eight weeks to some bigger number. so you alluded to, you know, what about the eight-week guy, if he can't turn on yet? the expectation of that, bill, and all of our policies, has been we just give people the

liquidity they need to make it to the other side when people are comfortable going back to their lives again. in big chunks of the u.s., we see that that's happened, and those policies are successful, but in in pockets off the u.s., the bridge hasn't been built long enough. again, look at d.c. d.c. is a place even though shut down that has like, they haven't actually moved to the point where they passed the guidelines we need to open up. so i think that, you know, for d.c. you might need a longer bridge than you needed for other parts of the country and that's something we're working on and studying right now. >> all right. quickly talk about wages. right now we have this issue where a number of republicans said they don't want to continue with the -- enhanced unemployment. you don't get enhanced unemployment average wages in the country, $9.48 an hour. federal min much wage, you and i discussed, still $7.25. people think it should be $15. enhanced, averaging $23, $24 an

hour. the argument, people are paid more to stay home. do you share that view and do you think enhanced unemployment should be continued? >> i think unemployment is one of the things we're studying closely at the white house. unemployment insurance program. we know there's probably, probably will be a deal and that issue will come up and right now we're looking at all the options. i think in the current state of the economy it is true that there are a lot of people, maybe 50% or 60% of workers that get more money if they stay home than go to work. i don't think that's had much economy impact on labor supply during this time because basically places were shut. the question is, when you start to open up, if we're giving people benefits that are that generous, then are you encouraging them to stay away? and that's something we're studying closely, but our objective, of course, to get people back to work, back to their lives as soon as possible. >> kevin, good to see you. thank you for joining me.

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this crisis. give me an update how things are doing in atlanta, first of all, well, thank you for having me again and we are continued being to monitor what's happening here in georgia. we were amongst last of the states to close down and among the first to open. and so we'll know in a couple of weeks where we were seeing our covid-19 rates tick up over a seven-day period. we're around 12% to 15%. so the numbers are better, but still they aren't great. and i just heard of a big outbreak centered around one of our large independent schools in the city. and so this is what we feared would happen this weekend, that as people gather on beaches, that our numbers will begin to rise. so we will continue to monitor and make our decisions accordingly. >> mayor, little bit awkward because you're a surrogate for joe biden, but i have to talk about the vice presidential

sweepstakes and people are really interested in that. have you been vetted? have you been contacted about this? >> well, i'll defer to the biden campaign for -- to answer any of those questions. i can tell you, i've read many of the same things you read and seeing the stories you've seen and it is an honor to have my name mentioned. but i think that it is a very accomplished group of women being considered. and i am appreciative to have my name among that list. i said i want him to put on that ticket the person who will best help him beat donald trump in november and i think he has a great list to choose from. >> congressman jim clyburn, south carolina, said there is a young lady here in georgia who i think would make a tremendous vp candidate and that's the mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms. you got some heavy hitters on your side. here is the question, separate and apart from you, and that is that a number of people have said the one thing that joe

biden may need help with, he certainly has the support of the african-american community, he may not have as much enthusiasm as he needs from them and things he said this week have sort of muddied the waters a little on that. what do you think he needs to do with the african-american community? >> what concerns me when you look at 2016, donald trump didn't win because he got the black vote. he won because he was able to suppress the black vote. and that's my concern going into november. when you look at donald trump's approval rating, amongst african-americans, it is only 14%. and it is only 14% because we heard what donald trump has to say about good people in charlottesville on both sides. we have seen him encourage people who hold swastikas and assault weapons in michigan. we have seen him try to kill off obamacare in the middle of a pandemic. and so i'm not concerned about

him getting the african-american vote, but i am concerned about us staying home in november. and what i don't want to have happen is what happened in 2016. >> so is it your opinion, i'm going to ask you to remove yourself from being a surrogate for the biden campaign for a moment, it is your opinion that it would make more sense for joe biden to choose an african-american woman? >> you know, ali, joe biden has been through this process before. i think he's best suited to decide who is best to put on that ticket with him. i mean, he's been through this, he's taken all the bumps and bruises of the campaign and so i wouldn't dare tell him who or what type person he has to have on his ticket. but i do trust that there is a thorough analysis being done and i think that he'll make the best decision accordingly. >> let me ask you about a story you and i have not talked about before. and this was the shooting death

of ahmaud arbery, what a remarkable story in the way that it evolved that the city that -- the town he was in had this video for a long time, they didn't act on it, there were all sorts of weird excuses provided for not acting on it, then the georgia bureau of investigations gets involved, makes two arrests, now makes a third arrest of the person who had taken the video. what do you make about the way -- of the way justice is playing out in georgia? >> i've spoken with our attorney general chris card. he has assured me that his office is doing everything that they can to make sure that justice is served in this case. it is a tragedy. this is someone's son, someone's brother, someone's friend. and so i don't want us to lose sight of that. but i think it also speaks to this bigger issue that we still face in this country, this issue of race. and particularly as it relates to african-american men and how they often seem to have targets

on their heads. so i am -- i'm glad that the resources are being put into place and i do hope justice is served for his family. but it speaks to the need for us to continue to have this larger conversation in this country on where we are with race. >> do you feel like -- do we feel like we made ground on this at all, because it seems like the same conversation we keep on having except for the advent of cell phone video. >> you know, it seems like for every two steps we take forward, we seem to take five back. and even with this case, i can tell you very selfishly and honestly i didn't want to see the video. because i didn't want to have that churning in my stomach that i have each time this happens. and so i think that what seeing this video was painful for so many of us for so many reasons, but i think it was important to see it because this is what happens in cities across

america. and there often aren't videos to tell story. i'm glad we were able to see it and continue to have this conversation. but we have a long way to go in this country. >> atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms, thank you for joining us again. a pleasure to see you. that does it for me. coming up next on "am joy," charlamagne tha god on the fallout with his interview with joe biden. enjoy your holiday weekend. bide. enjoy your holiday weekend - hey, can i... - safe drivers save 40%!!!

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good morning and welcome to "am joy." as the u.s. inches toward the grim milestone of 100,000 coronavirus deaths, the highest death rate in the entire country, many americans woke up to this memorial day weekend to this powerful and sobering memorial on the front page of "the new york times," a page made up entirely of the names of people who lost their lives to covid-19. obituary notices for 1,000 people, a fraction of the total number who have died during the outbreak. these names are a powerful reminder of the devastating human cost that comes with a bungled prevention and recovery effort by the white house. the crisis in which the president of the united states has pedaled fake cures and encouraged okay is as. these names are a reminder