good morning and welcome to "am joy." as the u.s. inches toward the grim milestone of 100,000 coronavirus deaths, the highest death rate in the entire country, many americans woke up to this memorial day weekend to this powerful and sobering memorial on the front page of "the new york times," a page made up entirely of the names of people who lost their lives to covid-19. obituary notices for 1,000 people, a fraction of the total number who have died during the outbreak. these names are a powerful reminder of the devastating human cost that comes with a bungled prevention and recovery effort by the white house. the crisis in which the president of the united states has pedaled fake cures and encouraged okay is as. these names are a reminder how crucial the november election

is. as donald trump seeks re-election despite it all. which is why joe biden is taking steps to push his campaign into high gear tomorrow. this is an special unique moment for the biden campaign, biden is boasting strong poll numbers, leading the sitting president by eight points. season a fox news poll. but with the ups come the downs. biden risked alienating his base with significant missteps as recently as this week. which is why careen john pierre matters. part of the obama 2008 campaign who became a staffer and an author and while we still had her an msnbc contributor and fan favor, careen adds crucial credibility and experience to team biden. but she also enhances the team in another way. as a senior adviser, she will

join what until now has been a rather exclusive club. despite the presence of high profile african-american staffers, like senior advisers simone sanders and despite the fact that black voters literally rescued biden's third presidential campaign from certain demise, and even though while being about 14% of the u.s. population, one in five democrats is black. african-americans and really members of nonwhite groups in general have had a more limited role in the biden rollout. according to rutgers university professors analysis, biden's national senior staff is 14% african-american. pretty much on population. but when it comes to his inner circle, as politico reported earlier this year whr, when the upper echelons of the biden operation assemble at campaign headquarters in philadelphia, the group looks a lot like

biden. these are the people in vice president biden's ear. helping him decide things like who to pick as his vice president, and his election strategy. bottom line, who a candidate listens to matters. and as of now, those whispering the closest in mr. biden's ear are rather uniform. perhaps that helps to explain some of off the keynotes the team -- that biden has sounded in the past couple of weeks. biden and his team, i should say. like failing to directly to respond to an op-ed written by prominent black women activist and influencers who called on biden to commit to choosing a black woman running mate, a black woman on the supreme court, and a substantive black agenda. to give black voters a return on their investment in the democratic party, and in the biden candidacy and frankly to shore up the community that is sure to be hit the hardest with

voter disenfranchisement in republican led states and who face the greatest mortality risk if forced to line up and vote due to disproportionate rates of covid-19 sickness and death. to be clear, the issue is not about threatening to withhold votes from biden. just look at what is happening in america right now. it is about policy concerns that black voters still have, even now. and then there was the second off key thing that happened this week. >> listen, you got to come see us when you come to new york, vp biden. >> i will. >> it is a long way to november. we got more questions. >> you got more questions. if you have a problem, figure it out, whether you're for me or trump and you ain't black. >> that was the awkward ending to an 18-minute interview vice president biden did with charlamagne tha god whose show has become a popular destination for politicians and authors with entertainers. charlamagne has become well known for engaging his guests on

serious debate on policy issues that matter to black listeners. the kind of person whose audience like the influence base of the authors of that washington post op-ed that biden needs to reach if he wants to seal the deal in november. and joining me now is careen jean pierre, she is the author of "moving forward," a story of hope, hard work and the promise of america. it is always great to talk to you, miss karine. congratulations on the new job, first of all. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> i think it is smart for them to bring you on board. because you come from a background that is not just campaign and working in the white house, but coming from move on, from an activist organization, from a progressive organization, and obviously being a black woman, you're bringing a lot to the table in terms of diversification of that senior team. so i want to ask you this question, karine.

when donald trump ran for president, he made an implicit and in some cases explicit offer to white america, a promise to them, that he would reduce nonwhite immigration if not eliminate it, he would build a wall across the southern border to keep the brown immigrants out and change and push back the demographic change that scares them, that scares white christian america to use the robbie jones term. that was the promise to white america. to black america, he said, you know, what have you got to lose. to white america, he made that explicit promise and that paid off to him. he enjoys majority support, almost six in ten, he's reaping the rewards of that promise. with biden, it is black america who delivered him to where he is today. it is black voters in the south and particularly but really all over the country who said biden and pick biden over the other 20 people. what, in your mind, should biden -- what should he offer to

black america? >> so let me just first say why i'm doing this. because i think that's important, the why is critical in this moment. look, we are about to face -- we are in this moment the most important election in our -- in not just my generation, in generations. and i have known joe biden for about a decade now, and i think he does have the integrity and the leadership to take us to where we need to be, because where we are now is not -- it is not for everybody. it is for, like you just said, a small slither of americans. and, you know, we need to -- we need to -- we cannot sit idly by. we need to move forward in a way that brings all of us together. and what you just laid out, joy, and i think joe biden can do that, what you laid out, look, i think joe biden has very much -- is going to and has been trying to earn the vote. and not just every american, but the black vote. if you go back to the very early

stages of his campaign in the primary, he was the one that said wait, wait until after the first two states, let's make sure that everyone gets to vote. and as you just laid out, black americans made it very clear on what -- who they wanted. they wanted joe biden and he won overwhelmingly. the work doesn't stop there, he needs to continue. he needs to continue to built, built those relationships, which he is doing, and one of the things he's been advocating for, which is clear, is the economic gap, that we see in black america. look, we know that racism in this country is structural. and it is something that needs to be dealt with. he understands that it is in housing, it is in workplace, it is in education, that it is in the health disparities, especially now in this crisis, that is one thing he is asking for and advocating for is to make sure we close that gap. in that conversation that he

had, with charlamagne, one thing he said that unfortunately because of what he -- of what he said at the end and that got grabbed and clearly understandably that became the viral moment. he did talk about covid-19 and how it is affecting the black community. and that is something that we need to have a conversation about as well, and he, back in april, was the one that asked cdc to please provide more data to show how covid-19 is hurting the black community and also to provide race specific numbers. he also, as you have done on your show, with black small businesses and you have given your show, you used your platform to kind of highlight how this moment is affecting them, and while donald trump is taking away money from small businesses, he's been very clear in his black america plan, a plan for black america, to make

sure that -- to acknowledge that 90%, more than 90% of small businesses did not receive a lot of that funding and also to make sure that we close that gap as well. so there are numbers of ways we need to continue to talk about it and to build on and also that he understands that we need to -- he needs to earn the vote, he has to continue to work to earn the black vote. >> well, you know, so i'm thinking about -- you know these ladies as well, natasha brown, tiffany cross, your fellow friend of the show britney cunningham, alicea garza, they wrote this op-ed that got a lot of traction. it didn't get a response from the biden campaign. do you think that joe biden should explicitly address whether or not he thinks it is important for him to bring a black woman on to the ticket with him? there is a lot of talk about him picking amy klobuchar or other people and lots and lots and

lots of churn about who he might pick. do you think he should make that commitment? he did publish his black agenda, do you think that's enough? do you think he should say, yes, i'm down to do the black -- have a black woman vp? >> could i first say this is that i appreciate all my sisters writing that op-ed. i think it is very important to hear from all -- from everyone, from all the voices as we have talked about on the show. black women are the foundation of the democratic party. they are the ones who are key to winning in primaries and general elections and will be key in this november election. so that should not be lost on any of -- on any of us and i appreciate -- i appreciate them writing this letter. look, here is the thing, joy, we're so early in this process, and back in 2008, president obama, then senator obama, he didn't pick his vp until august. we're now in may. we have a long way to go.

we have an impressive coach, we have an impressive co-chair, chairs of the committee, one of them is lisa rochester, the congresswoman from delaware, who is a black woman, and we have, you know, an embarrassment of riches, a long list of women who are on that list who are incredibly talented. who are more than impressive when it comes to being -- to fulfilling that role for vp and we have, which i'm really proud to see, is a nice list, very impressive list of black women who are being considered as well who are more than qualified to be vice president. so i think we have to let this process play out. i think it is important to hear from voices like black women who wrote the washington post article because we got to hear it. the campaign needs to hear what it is the base wants. and so i think that we will let the process play out, it is still early, and i think we have

a nice impressive list to work on that includes, like i said, black women. >> we had a little bit of an audio problem, but we love karine jean pierre, we're going to let her keep going, we're going to let her believe the audio is going to come back to normal but we heard you loud and clear despite a little bit of audio difficulty. thank you very much. appreciate it. have a wonderful weekend. >> thank you. joining me is charlamagne tha god of the breakfast club on power 105.1. charlamagne, thank you for being here this morning. >> thank you for having me, joy. how are you? >> i'm good. i'm good. so, you know, i don't know if you were able to hear karine, we had an audio problem toward the end. i want to, first of all, congratulate you on the interview. the interview, people are talking about that last bit of it, that's the part that went viral. but the substance of the interview was really solid. you had very blunt questions for vice president biden. they were about substance, they were about what you want to see

for the community. your listeners, i'm sure, give you lots and lots of feedback about what it is that they want from this man. what are people telling you that they want him to do? >> really major policy commitments for the black community. mainly in the form of economic justice, so we can tip the scales on some of this wealth inequality in america. i do hear a lot of people say we want him to have a black woman running mate, but not just any black woman running mate, one that will get in office and care that black people benefit from our presence there. we need substance and significance over symbolism. he's already committed to putting a black woman on the supreme court. i want him and the democratic party to know it is time to give back to the black community in a tangible way. i can say that, the major point that i'm hearing about is just, you know, economic justice. some form of economic justice. >> and let me play the apology

that joe biden gave. he got on a call with black business leaders and apologized for the comment he made at the end of the show. let me let you listen to that. >> the last thing i want to do and i shouldn't have been such a wise guy, i shouldn't have been so cavalier in responding to what i thought was, anyway, it was -- i don't take it for granted at all, and no one, no one should have to vote for any party, based on their race, their religion, their background. >> do you think there is a risk that not just joe biden, but the democratic party in general just takes for granted that, well, the black people are with us. so we don't really have to give them anything else, they're going to vote for us regardless. they voted for joe biden in overwhelming numbers 6 in 10 black voters particularly in southern states all voted for joe biden, we don't need to offer them anymore. do you worry that's the attitude that democrats are taking toward the black community. >> i know that's the attitude. that's why i don't care about the words and the lip service and the apology is cool, but the

best apology is actually a black agenda. they got to make some real policy commitments to black people. we got to stop acting like the fact that blacks are overrepresented in america when it comes to welfare, poverty, unemployment, homelessness, drug addiction, crime, coronavirus, systemic racism is to marginalize black people. as claude anderson says, white society has an out of sight, out of mind attitude about racism and don't like to have discussions of substance about racism. when you have black people that have the nerve, the audacity, the unmitigated gall to -- you got whites telling us to stay in our place and black people saying, oh, stop, now is not the time, you're going to get trump re-elected, it has to come to the point where we stop putting the burden on black voters and start putting the burden on democrats to show up for black voters. >> what you said, that's a lot of what i'm hearing of african-americans, don't say

that, don't say those things, it might hurt the chances of beating donald trump. this question gets asked to me a lot what if joe biden says, no, i'm picking amy klobuchar, she's my running mate. what do you do? >> on top of possible russian interference and voter suppression, they have to worry about voter depression, people staying home on election day because they aren't enthused by the candidate. you can't act like this is most important election ever and not make some real policy commitments to the black community and not listen to some of the demands that the black community are making. i think people are sitting around hoping that trump loses instead of going out there and beating him. he has to do something that energizes his campaign, that brings some actual enthusiasm to his campaign. so those 4.4 million obama voters who stayed home in 2016, more than a third of them black, you know, don't do that this year. you got to make them come out.

>> the interview was cut short. you could hear the audio of one of the campaign staffers saying we have to end now, the former vice president has to do another interview. you said you had more questions. what else did you want to ask him? i'll let you get your questions out now. >> that's good. i have a couple of them right here. i wanted to ask him about reparations. in his black agenda, to lift every voice, he committed to studying reparations and i wanted to ask him what does reparations for black people look like to him. what is he prepared to do based on that study? also i wanted to talk to him about his plan for economic recovery, you know, after we get out of this pandemic and how can we make sure that black communities aren't left behind yet again like we were in the recovery from the last crisis. the question also he talks about decriminalizing marijuana, but not legalizing it, and i got that question in, but i wanted to know why he just doesn't, you know, take it off the federal drug schedule altogether and why

not just legalize it and tax it, especially when we know that black men are the ones paying the price for it, being illegal and we get locked out of the wealth that's being created by legalizing it. those are a few of the questions i have for him, that i didn't get to. >> and those are good questions. hopefully he'll come back on the show and i would love to book him as well. if he comes on here, i'll ask those questions for you as well. i'll give you a final opportunity to speak to the congress right now. we are seeing in the united states house of representatives, they're passing bills that are not getting brought up in the senate. there has been some criticism from progressives saying they should go for more. that, you know, if the republicans are going to refuse to act, democrats should say let's go for everything we really want and start negotiating from that position. do you agree with that or do you, you know what is your take on how democrats are doing in trying to put some of this forward now? >> i think that's good. i think it is good. when i'm sitting back at home,

and i'm watching democrats swing for the fences, especially if they're swinging for the fence on behalf of the poor and disenfranchised, black and the marginalized, that makeses make okay, salute to them. i know who is attempting to fight for me and who is opposing me. >> yeah. charlamagne tha god, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. appreciate it. hope you have a great memorial day weekend. stay safe. >> thank you, joy. blessings. >> thank you very much. keep it right here, our "am joy" all-star panel will have more on this topic next. joy" all-star panel will have more on this topic next. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one.

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joining me now is jonathan capehart "the washington post," tiffany cross, author, and michael harriet of the root.com

and aaron haynes. let's talk about this interview. i spoke with karine jean pierre this morning and charlamagne tha god. first to you, tiffany. because we're hearing now back from the biden campaign that they said they did in fact reach out to those of you, you were one of the authors of the op-ed. and they said they did reach out to you all. your take. did they reach out to you? >> no one has reached out to me personally. i believe my co-author britney cunningham had some conversations with the biden campaign. but i have not heard from anybody. but let me just say, joy, i'm happy to see karine jean pierre join that campaign. she did a great job this morning. it shows that joe biden does need the help of black women to help usher him over this finish lean and i think she's a great start to that and i appreciate her acknowledging the op-ed with

respect and nuance and dignity and how we have disproportionately upheld the party and how helpful we can be to his campaign. so kudos to you and kudos to her and the great interview with her. >> thank you very much. i appreciate that. let me play -- let's get into the other part of it. let me play for you this moment with joe biden and charlamagne tha god on the breakfast club. take a listen. >> it is a long way until november. we got more questions. >> you got more questions. if you have a problem figuring out if you're for me or for trump, you ain't black. >> it doesn't have to do with trump. it has to do with i want something for my community. >> take at my record. i have a record second to none. the naacp endorsed me every time i've run. come on. take a look at the record.

>> jonathan capehart, to you on this first, you wrote a piece about this. and you -- it is entitled, come on, biden, you ain't black comment was clearly a joke. >> my take on this is context. you have to look at that comment in the context of an 18 minute, 23 second interview. where that hits is 17 minutes and 21 seconds into that interview. what came before that comment was a joe biden being asked by charlamagne tha god, who to my opinion is one of the best interviewers of political -- of politicians in the country. because he does not -- he challenges people, he challenges them on their record as he did joe biden. but he also doesn't -- he doesn't ask the questions in a way that puts the politician on the defensive where they don't answer the questions. so that's one. the context of the conversation, so by the time you get there,

joe biden is feeling comfortable and relaxed. almost cursed earlier in the interview, he stopped himself, and charlamagne and said, no, no, no, talk, speak, wasn't you -- i want you to speak like that. we can argue the vice president probably got a little too comfortable talking to the audience. but the whole other conversation -- we have to talk about the context of who of joe biden and his biography, and his record, and then talk about the context of who joe biden is running against. and when you have the biography and record of president trump as a private citizen and as president of the united states, the racism, the xenophobia, he has no record to run on when it comes to compassion, empathy, bringing people together, unity, let alone a black agenda, a real black agenda, a real policies and record that not only help

all americans, but that also help african-americans in particular to whom joe biden was talking when he was on the breakfast club. >> okay. that's -- i think that's important context. michael -- >> joy, i want to point out that that was the main reason why i wrote the piece because i thought the context was being lost. i understood why people were on fire about having seen that one line, but if you focus on the one line, and don't focus on the fact that shar charlamagne trie hold his feet to the fire on a bunch of yinissues, you're doin yourself a disservice. >> i agree about the whole thing. what was lost in it is the entire interview was solid. he asked some really tough questions and charlamagne is a great interviewer. i hope people go back and watch

the whole interview. it is a good interview. the issue ends up being that black voters vote for democrats in overwhelming numbers. and then the democratic party and democratic candidates, they take for granted. they build it into their number plan, they get the votes. there isn't necessarily an urgency to offer something. that's why i open my questioning with karine, overwhelmingly white voters vote for republicans. but they still make them an offer. they're, like, this is what i'm going to do. donald trump is very clear, this is what i'm going to do for you, i'm going to get rid of the brown immigrants. there is a disconnect between the two parties. you wrote about in response to this piece that joe biden just proved why he must have a black woman as his vice president. please explain. >> right. so going into this race, right, everybody was kind of clutching their pearls already knowing that joe biden was going to do

these things. let's be honest. we know joe biden is going to say more stupid things during the course of this campaign. and so we built that into the calculations, right? but what we -- what we care about is what he does for black america and black voters. and come time for the democratic party to pay those voters. and i think people have been talking about what leverage do black voters have, what leverage do black people have to force the democratic party to do anything. and, like, i don't even understand that question because, like, what levers do you have to make your boss pay you after you work all week? it is not a -- if we have to be a party with the -- why would you support that party? and so what black voters -- what joe biden and the democratic party runs the risk of is disengaging black voters and

causing, like charlamagne said a depression, they don't care to get out. it is not about black voters. it is about black people. if joe biden wants to win, he has to get out more than just black voters because we know they're going to suppress the vote. we know they're going to try to steal votes, there is going to be russian interference. we need this coalition of black people who have always supported the party to get him over the finish line because let's be honest, if he goes toward that moderate white vote, he'll get the same results he got in -- that the party got in 2016. they'll be standing on the sidelines looking at donald trump get inaugurated again. >> you know, aaron, there is a lot of back and forth about who joe biden might put on the ticket. and it seems like the inner circle he has, i pointed out in the open, was -- is overwhelmingly older, white and veterans of the past battles. that traditional democratic

thinking is you get a midwestern governor or someone from the midwest, and you win michigan, that is like the way the democratic party thinks. is there -- are there signs, you're out there reporting on this, that there is different thinking in the contempt of running against donald trump. >> i think that, you know, black voters and other people in the black community are right to be agitating for an administration that would govern with their interests in mind to the point that others have made here because black people are the backbone of the democratic party. what i hear from some of the black voters is they are planning to pass a survival vote in november. this is a special election for a lot of black america, even -- it was already that for them. in the context of this pandemic, there was an ap poll from the beginning of this month that showed one in five black people either have -- had themselves or

knew somebody that had coronavirus. compared to 12% of the rest of the country. so signals that the vice president plans to govern with black america in mind is what, you know, folks like charlamagne are asking for and what, you know, that washington post op-ed raised. so, you know, joe biden seems to understand this, saying again recently that multiple black women are going to be in consideration and i think folks continuing to put the pressure on him will show even though eight in ten black people are planning to vote for joe biden in november, he still has work to do to make sure that he gets the kind of turnout he needs. >> can i just in -- >> yeah, quickly. >> i'll go quickly. i know joe biden is polling well on a national level, but you look at some of these local state wide polls, joe biden

still does need help. i think erin raises a good point. black point are casting a survival point. i don't want anyone tone nes misunderstand what we're saying. we're not saying we're not going to vote. we're saying make our job that much easier and if people are so concerned, you have to bring an argument more than i'm better than the other guy. yes, donald trump is problematic. he's a white supremacist. you know how many black people have survived white supremacists in this white house? for black people who say i look at my life the past 20 years and nothing has changed, what is going to energize and excite me to go and risk my life to cast this ballot as we're facing the -- what my fellow panelists have said for an election interference, gop led voter suppression and the fallout of covid-19. help us help you and make our life that much meeting some of the demands. >> hillary clinton had 88% of

the black vote and lost. thank you very much for being here, jonathan, tiffany will be back in the next half hour. michael harriet, thank you very much. erin haynes, thank you very much. have a great memorial day weekend. up next, more "am joy." mem weekend. up next, more "am joy. do these moves look familiar? then you might have a condition called dry mouth. biotène is clinically proven to soothe and moisturize a dry mouth. plus, it freshens breath. biotène. immediate and long lasting dry mouth symptom relief. since your ancestors served in world war two.

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but the company couldn't withstand the economic impact of today's trump mishandled pandemic. after laying off 12,000 employees and furloughing 4,000 more, hertz on friday announced the company had filed for bankruptcy. meanwhile, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has yet to take up the latest coronavirus relief bill from house democrats and instead wants to ensure the next round of relief protects employers from liability. which would mean that when employers are -- when employees are forced to return to work, even if they get sick or die from covid-19, employers would be shielded from lawsuits and from accountability. joining me now is senator sherrod brown of ohio. senator, this idea of protecting employers from liability, but in the protecting employers from shutting down by offering real

relief, you know, hertz is a company with franchisees. a lot of people work for a small business owner. what is going on in the senate? >> nothing is going on. mitch mcconnell brings the senate back every week. exposing the police officers and the custodians and food service people who don't arrive at the capitol in black suvs, but get there how they get there, exposing them to the virus every week, yet he's doing nothing to protect the work, to protect workers, nothing to help laid off workers, nothing to help those workers who show up every day for work as grocery store workers, and people that do the laundry at hospitals. and bus drivers. 150 bus drivers have died from the coronavirus around the country. there is -- there is a government that is an administration that doesn't look out for workers. grocery store workers said they call me essential, but i'm really -- i'm really just

someone that is expendable and they don't pay me well, they don't protect me, i'm expendable. that's been the story in mitch mcconnell simply doesn't want to address it. he wants to continue to confirm more and more right wing young judges. >> you know, the thing that is striking is that you have meatpacking plants, you know, those workers are in great exposure, they're forced to go back, they're at great risk of their health, at least as far as i'm reading it what mitch mcconnell would like to do is to protect those plants, the own ers of them, from liability if their workers get sick and/or die, no claims could be made against them. but he doesn't want to pass more money to give those workers who end up being laid off. he doesn't want to -- there is a big objection from lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell to people who are on unemployment

getting a few pennies more, can't do that. it is hard to understand it, are there republican senators, colleagues of yours, that actually will explain to you why they think that's fair? >> well, they don't explain why they think it is fair. they know that mitch mcconnell will dig in and will protect employers at all costs. he asserted a $100 billion tax break for the richest 1% in the last coronavirus package, i think what -- the point you brought up, joy, about this meatpacking plants, the president finally invoked the defense production act, something he wouldn't do to scale up testing, something he wouldn't do to provide protecting equipment for millions of workers, not just hospital workers, but workers exposed to the virus every day at work as millions are. i would add of those working today, they're

disproportionately people of color, they're the ones on the front line without the protection. the president invokes the defense production act for these slaughterhouses but says reopen, says nothing about food safety, nothing about slowing the line down so workers can work more safely, does nothing about getting protective equipment, just wants it open. the president as stacey abrams said, the president is more interested in the stock market than the supermarket. it is clear that mcconnell is doing the bidding of the president, and he wants to make -- he wants to absolve employers from liability. and think about that, you're a worker about to be called back to work, you're a worker going to work right now, and you think, if i go back to work, i'm not sure i'm going to be safe, and the president is saying, you got to go back to work, the president is not using osha as a number of us have said to protect workers under osha. he's just saying go back to work

and you're expendable and that's what is so wrong with this administration. always signing, always siding with corporations against workers, as trump every day betrays workers day after day after day. mcconnell is right there with him. >> i think -- i think people forget that this desire for these right wing judges is not just about the religious right, it is about protecting corporations through the courts. people don't pay enough attention to the judges situation at all. you have sent a letter yourself, senator, along with 28 senators sent a letter to u.s. agricultural secretary sonny perdue urging the trump administration to ensure worker safety at meat processing plants as they open. have you heard back ? >> of course not. patty murray and i sent this letter and most of our democratic colleagues signed it. we know this economy can never thrive if workers do not consider themselves safe, when they go back to work and that means scaling up testing. it means providing the right equipment, it means invoking

these strengthened osha standa standards. this president has never shown any interest in protecting workers, he's betrayed workers, secretary perdue is doing his bidding of course, the bidding of the large meatpacking plants, no regard for food safety, no regard for worker safety. >> let me put up what is in the heroes act that the house of representatives has passed. a trillion dollars to state and local governments, hazard pay for essential workers, $75 billion for virus testing. $175 billion for rent and mortgage utility assistance, additional money for the u.s. postal service, second round of direct payments of 1200 per person. i think most of our viewers would want those things done. it is not moved as of yet in the senate. but what mitch mcconnell has vowed to do is to end the enhanced unemployment benefits. mitch mcconnell promised house republicans on wednesday that

the beefed up unemployment benefits enacted earlier this spring will not be in the next bill. will people who are on unemployment continue to get those benefits? >> of course they should. it is not like the economy -- its people are wanting to sit home and collect unemployment benefits, feeling like they're in a great place in their lives. people want to work, they'll go back to work, they want to go back to work. when we passed the $2 trillion coronavirus bill, there was one amendment that mitch mcconnell alo allowed on the senate floor, that's to cut back on unemployment insurance. you pay into them and when you're 65, you get -- now 66, you get your social security. medicare you get healthcare when you need it. when you pay into unemployment, it is an insurance policy, you get the money when you need it. it is just always -- unemployment insurance is always a fight.

every time we tried to extend it, president obama, we join with him in that fight against mcconnell to extend unemployment. and it is just something they, for whatever reason, they think workers shouldn't get that safety net, which is so important during this coronavirus. you put up there on the screen one thunging i wanted to mentio pandemic pay. think about the grocery store workers making $14, $15, $16 an hour in union places and non-union shops often less, those workers expose themselves to the virus every day, because so many of their -- they wear masks, so many of their customers don't. they then go home with anxiety of possibly infecting their children, and their families, and we at least -- we owe them the protective equipment to be sure, but we owe them this pandemic pay, $10, $11, $12, $13 an hour addition aal pay. it is something the house of

representatives did. we need to insist on that and rental assistance and so much more in that package that you pointed out, state and local government, postal service, all the things that matter. >> yeah. yeah, i just want to p out to you that the president of the united states is golfing this morning as he closes in on 100,000 americans dead of covid-19. this is the headline. just thought of 100,000 people gone and doing part of the mismanagement of this crisis by the white house. donald trump is finally allowing himself to photograph golfing this morning. >> how he used to criticize president obama playing golf even though barack obama did the right thing during the ebola

virus. kee keep in mind 5% of the world's population of what the u.s. suffered 31% of the world's deaths from coronavirus. the last time i was on the airplane i flew back from denmark, i remember -- i was thinking back to that day if south korea, the united states and south korea, 90 diagnosed cases, since then 265 south koreans died and 100,000 americans have died. think about the terrible leadership and now the president playing golf and no empathy and no fight for protective equipment and no scaling of testing. i would add south korea's

unemployment rate of 3.5% and ours is 15% or 20% and it is going up. it is hurting more workers and particularly hurting more female workers and people of color and this president just plays golf and waves to the counter. >> yeah, it is quite striking. the death toll and treatment of workers. senator, please be safe, thank you very much for spending some time with us this morning. we'll take a closer look at senator brown and his colleagues, maybe in the majority comes january.

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wow, good morning, welcome back to "a.m. joy." a new ad of joe biden justifying donald trump golfing in his club in virginia yesterday as deaths of covid-19 is 100,000. many could have been saved. trump let the camera see him go golfing, it is part of his strategy to normalize human suffering. not everyone is bearing their heads in the sand. "the new york times" printed the names of 1,000 americans who lost their lives from

coronavirus on the front page. meanwhile trump tells us everything is fine. all 50 states are taking steps to reopen. senate republicans are refusing to take up legislation that could help mitigate the public's help and crisis facing this nation. looks like coronavirus will turn election day to referendum on republican governance. a fox news poll shows biden beating donald trump by eight points and red states are tu turnitur turning purple. democrats need four seats to take the majority. republicans can no longer beat on north carolina. the senate race is a virtual tie or colorado where republican incumbent is losing by 18 points

or arizona where the republican incumbent is losing by 13 points. joining me now is jonathan and our gabriel sherman and gabriel sherman, author of "the loudest voice." it is unusual to see trump golfing. the fact that they did that was they want things to look normal. everything to look fine. is there any sense someone in the administration or the campaign thinks oh this is a bad visual for donald trump while

100,000 people dead. >> there has been a trump's world of donald trump's thinking and the realism that we are in generationally defining crisis. trump has been pushing this idea that everything is fine and everything is back to normal. he told a source of mine just in the last few days this vaccine is going to be a cure and everything is going to be wrapped up very soon. donald trump is you know really walking the walk so to speak when it comes to this delusion that as long as he's on the golf course and he can just wheel his crisis away and i think with "the new york times" front page that you just showed is so powerful. these are actual people. these are numbers that donald trump can't lie. you can't spin. at the end of the day, his white house and the republican party is going to be judging in november on those underline d

feedbafe facts. >> this is favorable opinion of fox news. president obama with 63% favorable view and donald trump and mike pence are at 43% and 42%. the republican party betted all on donald trump. they're all in. every senator that's up for reelection including mitch mcconnell are running with trump draped over them. is that a good thing for republicans at the stage as far as the data and the probability outcomes are concerned? >> no, it is a terrible thing.

it is a situation that none of them can control because unlike other presidents in this situation, strategically what would be ideal for the senators would be to would be what they would like to do. in trump's world if you are not wrapping yourself around trump and talking about how wonderful he is isa sin and it may invoke his twitter ridge. i am sure he has an adviser telling him look, they're in trouble and give these people some breathing room to distance themselves from you. you can tell donald trump that information and accurate information but it does not matter. he's not capable of rational

strategic thinking in a way normal politicians would be. what matters is his egos and he demand allegiance from these people. it is the same situation they found themselves through this process. they had to pretend the evidence did not exist from the ukraine scandal. they had to refuse to acknowledge evidence so the rest of us can see plain with our eyes is part of how we are living in this strange reality where facts no longer matter. >> it is very interesting that you said the strategic thinking or lack thereof. this is donald trump's version of strategic thinking. lindsey graham needs to go harder on obama. that's what he should be doing. trump thinks lindsey graham is not doing anything on flynn, the former white house official said according to the official, trump asked allies to tweet negative

things about graham. he's been complaining about graham. since john mccain died, lindsey follow follows me around and shows up to play golf and i didn't even invite him. meanwhile, let me go to the studio, i want to show an ad, here is lindsey graham, he's a guy who used to say if we nominate trump, we'll be destroyed and now he's all in and as far as trump is concerning hanging and clinging onto him. here is the ad that's running called "lindsey must go." >> i want to talk to trump supporters for a minute. i think he's crazy and untrue for office. >> you have been a damn good president and thank you, and thank you more than anything else for putting up with the

never ending book that you have to go through. >> he's a jack -- every time i turn around i have been asked about donald trump one dumb things after another. i am tired of him. >> the challenge for lindsey graham when donald trump is behaving like this and 100,000 americans are dead and more could die. he could run as i am al separate and individual man, i have my own person and i am holding him to account or he could run as a sycophant. it is hard to be both. he's historically has been critical but now he's a si

sicopant. >> i think most americans with moral decency will look at that and say this did not have to happen. regarding to lindsey graham someone who does not have moral clarity or decency or at least he used back when he was john mccain's best friend and now he's donald trump's best friend. that quote by gabriel is fantastic. there is nothing that lindsey graham can do to suck up to donald trump enough to keep him from just basically enveloping himself. this is a guy that used to be for immigration reform, he put a package for immigration reform during the president obama presidency. now he cares about two things,

getting reelected and getting my rig right-wing judges on the bench. we are using his own words. we didn't say that crazy talk that he did. we are he wants to figure out where the political winds are blowing. that does not mean he does not like all the other politicians. what he did with brett kavanaugh that makes us so upset. i know plenty of people have voted for lindsey graham in the past that are pissed off as hell. our job is to make lindsey's life an utter living hell between now and november the 3rd. we'll raise a ton of money and we want your help. we'll make sure to let everybody knows what lindsey graham's record is. when you sit in washington d.c. for as long as he's sat in washington, d.c., you got a

record. i can't wait to show people lindsey graham's record. it sucks and it absolutely sucks. >> one may argue he may be a bit in living hell. he used to consider donald trump a -- >> tiffany cross, there are t this is the most democratic leading cycles and the best for them. it seems like it is also enhanced by donald trump's low poll numbers but also by the fact that this is going to be an election that's very much hands-on the south. so you have southern states are in place now georgia with two senate seats available and mitch mcconnell in kentucky where a democrat won statewide. lindsey graham got a solid

african-american opponent. how much will the democratic party will have to look south everyone the alabama relay where jeff session is trying to get his old seat. how much is going to be an electi election where democrats have to refocus on the south? >> well, a few years ago, a group of outcast came out of atlanta, hey, i am here to echo that message today, the south has something to say. the south that are overlooked by the democratic party and the donors. we have to make that connection for them. when you read the polling that we love to talk about and look at where democrats are strong where republicans are weak and a lot of the polling says republicans are losing with s r suburban voters. i know for me as a long time democratic voter, i would never put my life in the 53% who helped usher this president in

the white house. this is an opportunity for the senate candidate to engage or maybe they have not previously engaged before. when you look in georgia, georgia is certainly in play and has the potential to be a purple state. this is a lot of the work that stacey abrams have done and kel kelly locklear in is party fighting because republicans wanted doug collins to take her seat. she has proven herself just to be incompetent. she gave a million dollars to a pack who supported donald trump. people have to tell a different story. again, people think that this means white voters and that's not true. there is a significant number of voters of who are rural an and -- they vote for the

national land. i think there would be a mistake for people to dismiss the south. >> jonathan capehart. alabama shifts a lot of people off. people like natasha brown totally changing the entire way people think about the election. if a democrat can win statewide and become the governor of kentucky, there is no reason that same coalition could not replace mitch mcconnell. democrats can win statewide and they have done it many times. can you put the map backup? that looks to be a democratic friendly map all over the country. >> i am waiting for that map to pop up. to echo tiffany's point and i wrote a piece about this. it was pointing out the fact that most people of color live

in the suburbs. most people of color -- to tiffa tiffan tiffany's point, but if people want to get hit for 2020, more black people and more people of color living in the suburbs, one because they have been pushed out of the city because of justification. also, people have moved to the suburbs because all other americans, they're striving for the american dreams, they want more space and a bigger house. they want things that everyone else has. so keep in mind most black people, most people of color live in the suburbs. and as soon as the party realizes this and as soon as the donor class realizes this and back to tiffany's point, the south is republicans until it ain't. this is an election cycle where

that is cycle. where you look at the race of jamie harrison is running against lindsey graham. harrison the former chairman of the democratic party of south carolina, the latest poll shows him within two-points of lindsey graham. the last quarter he raised more money and set a record in the state of south carolina against lindsey graham. another point and data item on the scale of humiliation for senator graham. let's not forget during the primary campaign of 2016, remember private citizen donald trump gave out lindsey graham's cell phone number as part of a thing to humiliate him and so that to me is what makes this transformation so ugly. one more point about lindsey graham that jamie harrison told me when i interviewed him for my podcast, he said he went to a

republican, an event in charleston that he did of a focus group, a woman came up to him and a lot of people came up to him and said they were really angry with lindsey graham of what he's done. one person says in particular, you know, john mccain was his best friend. he turned his back on john mccain. if he turned hs his back on hist friend, how can i expect him to stand up on me. that's the environment that lindsey graham is facing and the environment that makes democrats to view in the states that everyone views as solidly rare. >> yeah, it is going to be an interesting summer. >> jonathan, we'll be back on and tiffany t thank y, thank yo much. the $25 minimum wage, i will tell you all about it next. will tell you all about it next what getting fueled with three energy packed proteins feels like.

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if you pay $23 an hour not to work, they'll take you up on it. it does not mean they're lazy. they'll take that over $17 to go to work. july 31st is when this expires and i promise you over our dead bodies this will get reauthorized. we get to stop this. you can't turn on the economy until you get this admiration and the law fixed. >> a strange by product of america's unique version of capitalism was it was built up around work. there is literally no country on earth that's as obsessed with work as the u.s. when you meet an american, the first question they ask you is what you do. work defines us.

those who do the hardest and back breaking work from enslaves, farm hand s to mystic figure to low ra-wage workers today. that attitude is called contempt. you heard it from lindsey graham. what could be worse than people who works standing on their feet everyday being paid to stay alive at home. the way i am right now, over our dead bodies will they keep those extra pennies and despite the crime by graham and his monopoly board character donald trump and mitch mcconnell. the federal minimum wage had been stuck at $7.25 cents an hour for 11 years. the longest stretch in u.s.

history. it is not just the employees are struggling. as andrew yang tweeted, instead of praise, most essential workers would prefer a raise. joining me now, joe sandberg, cofounder of aspiration and andr andrew zimmer. >> all right, joe, lindsey graham is saying if you pay people too much money, they'll want to work from home in the basement like i am and they'll be lazy. >> well, this is personal to me. i grew up in a paycheck to paycheck household and my mom raised me my herself and lost

her home. and joy, you hit the nail on the head. america has a working ethos. everyone who works should be able to afford life basic needs. most people who are working can't afford life basic needs. let's look at the history part. if the minimum wage has grown productivity since 1960s, it would be $22.50 cents today. the call for $25 minimum wage is putting the minimum wage where it ought to be with this historic trend. >> that makes perfect sense. i want to to tell the audience, minimum wage across the united states, 29 states in the country have higher minimum wage, the highest minimum wage in washington state at $13.50. , followed by california at $13. new york city, the city has a $15 minimum wage but the state

is just $12.50. you look at the minimum wages there. on this question whether or not people are getting more money, there is a little plus up unemployment benefits. the professions that are making a little bit more on unemployment are food service, janitori janitorial, medical assistance and sales and retail, transportation and construction and teachers. so if you want to hear moral hazar hazards, the idea that people are getting a little bit of money while staying alive and staying at home because they are getting laid off. we are not talking about anything you close to describe. >> senator graham had this all upside down. the problem is wages are too low and let's take your example relating it to covid. did you know that nurses'

assistants are making $14. they're not even making minimum wage. what does that say about your economy? we don't value work. >> clearly not. let me go to you andrew, the restaurant industry has a bit of reputation. this is a d"daily beast" piece, the nra represents on behalf of more than 500,000 restaurant businesses including some of the biggest chains in the country. so you have a lot of people who survive on tip wages and minimum wage of $2. if restaurants are closed they don't get any pay and there is a

sick pay, there is no stay-at-home pay working at mcdonald's or other companies if you can't go to work because you have covid-19 symptoms. you just don't get paid. it is not the industry. your industry is exactly beneficial necessarily and financially for a lot of workers in the lower end. >> the equity system within the individual restaurants -- at the low end in quick service restaurants, employees in the kitchen make the same wage as at a three-star restaurant do in many cases. this is a system that has no equality built into it and it is one of the reasons why you see such rapid unemployment in the industries now that we have these closures. so many people going there as a

first job or a job of desperation or a job out of a jail or institution. our labor pool in the food service industry in general especially in the chain restaurant is very brittle and fragile environment. there is 11 and 15 million people working in restaurants depending on how you define that set of businesses and this covid-19 has held up a mirror to the inequalities in our industry that existed for decades and generations beforehand. it is time we need to correct that. it is time not only we need to pay people a fair wage for the work they are doing, we also need to charge people a fair amount for the food that we are serving. the restaurant industry is completely upside down and i am hoping and working very hard on resets within the system, look,

we would like to taken our industry apart brick by brick and build it backup, instead our house got knocked over night by this pandemic. if we don't build this smarter and stronger then we are doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result and that's insanity. >> let me play before we have to leave. for business insider, a welder started a facebook group called essential pay or essential workers. >> i don't feel i am getting recognized at all. i am not getting a thank you for going to work. >> reporter: for the first time in her life, bailey has became an activist. the governor needs us.

the hospitals are going to collapse and stuff happen to them and roads are going to break and nobody will be able to fix them. it is a skills to have. we are essential, guys. >> joe, what can the average person do. you have a congress especially the united states senate that's all about big businesses. you have a mnuchin that's all about big businesses and cruise lines and giant corporations and protecting big businesses from liability if their workers getting sick and protecting meatpacking plants and so focused on protecting the super rich and contempt workers thinking they're lazy and grip the system and get unemployment. that attitude is a problem. what can the average person can do? >> it is not a problem, it is bad economic policies. when workers earn more, we all

do better. we have a consumption based economy. if the people who need to buy things don't have any money, we are not going to have a robust economy. workers have more spend for business and they earn more in sales and they hire more and you create this cycle. not only senator graham needs to reconsult his morality and his economics. we need an economy that's driven by consumption which means workers need to earn more. >> andrew, quickly. >> i just want to say we spend too much time worrying about the businesses, the environmental working groups sent out a report the other week showing farm workers are among the most vulnerable and not protected. we see it in the meat industry and with our farming industry, that young lady talked about it there. there is not about lack of

resources to protect these workers. it is about a lack of leadership prioritizing health and wealth fair work force. we have to take care of people in america. all those shadows out there are human beings with real lives and we under serve them for decades. >> it is 1920 again. maybe it is always 1920. andrew zimmern and joe sandberg. thank you for all that you do. more "a.m. joy" after the break. and also deliver the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way. every day, all across america, we deliver for you. and we always will.

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now you are saying that people should wear masks? >> it is a choice you get to make. we don't need to people to tell us how we live our lives everyday. do i believe people should wear masks? yes. do i need people to practice social distancing? yes. do we need the governor to tell us how to lead our lives everyday? no. we'll figure it out. >> who needs a professional expert during a pandemic. back with me jonathan capehart.

rick scott used to run a giant healthcare company in florida that paid the largest fine for medicare and medicaid for fraud. anyway, putting that aside, he still got elected both governor and then senator from florida. here he is talking about reopening churches. >> it does not matter what the governors say or the president. we have a right to get together and respect and we need to respect people religion. if you want to go to your church, i believe people are going to do it safely and i believe they're going to wear masks. we should allow people to do what they want to do. some people not feeling comfortable then they'll do it on the internet or watch it on tv. there will be people say i want

to go worship with my fellas. i feel better doing that. some people believe that way. let them do it. this is america, we have rights and we have the bill of rights, follow it. >> midwin charles, attorney at law. what if people don't want to catch covid at church? >> what i find troubling is that almost as though he had his head in the sand. somebody should point out to him of today's new york times which it lists 1,000 have died from covid-19. this is incredibly serious. we are in the middle of a pandemic. yet we have someone talking as though it is a mild

inconvenience to wear a mask. i watched the interview earlier this morning of dr. birx which she talks about how it is important to wear a mask and social distance. we can gather these days but only ten people or less. the reasons being is covid-19 is still spreading by people who are asymptomatic . as a result, the whole purpose of wearing the mask is for me to protect you and for you to protect me. it is not about you know being mildly inconvenience. this idea that we have rights, yes, we do. we all know that we have to follow rules and regulations when you go to restaurants. you can't walk in barefoot, you have to wear shirts and people working in the restaurants have to wash their hands when they are serving food. there are rules and regulation that is we follow to keep each other safe. this is a pandemic. people are dying. i almost feel that we have to repeat that and i feel that we have to teach people what it

means when something is contagious. this is contagious. we are not talking about a very mild, mild cold here. and so i find this messaging coming from him to be so damaging and so destructive because this is someone in a position of leadership. people are listening to him and they have politicize the idea of wearing a mask. so now it is becoming depending where you lean politically, you want to wear the mask or not? that's unfortunate. what's at stake is american lives. >> well, i would like to point out rick scott is the guy that mandated people who receive benefits because they were unemployed or needed benefits and he wanted them to be drug tested. he likes some mandates but not others. jonathan, i am going to throw this one to you.

this is tom bosser praising stay-at-home orders minutes after dr. birx. here he is. >> the idea of believing that shelter in place approach did not work prevents us from using it and the plan from the beginning was never to enter into a nationwide lockdown, a blanket lockdown but had to do that because we had waited so long and because we didn't have the testing. it was so late. to have the flexibility returning to them as needed in a localized fashion to prevent us having to get in a nationwide lockdown. i wish dr. birx have said that it is a plan. >> the italian mayor is cussing at people to stay home. they took it seriously in italy, they locked that country down the first part and all of it. they have far fewer deaths than we do.

what donald trump has done has not worked. look at this death toll, it is shocking and horrifying. >> italy mattis my favorite place on earth outside of the united states. as you know i spend a lot of time there and italians speaking, you give them rules and regulations and they figure out a way to get around them. those mayors taking to social media and taking to the air waves to cast the gate of what their fellow italians of what they are doing and how they're putting others in jeopardy. in italy, families are important and friends are important and relationships are important. those mayors are appealing to just empathy and compassion. that's exactly what we are missing here in the united states who specifically from the oval office. for senator scott to say that words salad with croutons,

everyone has the right to liver. >> well, everyone has a right to live healthy. everyone has a right to exercise that judgment that he says that people should exercise based in facts and based on what leadership is telling them. if you don't politicize science and you don't politicize public health then it is possible for public officials to come to the american people, to come to their citizens and say to them we have an emergency and this is the way we can get out of the emergency. it is going to require some sacrifice but if we all do this together, we look out for each other, we can get through this. that's not what we are getting for the federal government. thank goodness governors of andrew cuomo are filling in the void as best as they can. >> rick scott had to work from home and sit on his couch - it

is unbelieverabable. people who are complaining are not at the meat working plants. midwin charles and jonathan capehart, thank you very much. up next is a very exciting announcement.

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and it doesn't just drag hr down. it drags the entire business down -- with inefficiency, errors and waste. it's ridiculous. so ridiculous. with paycom, employees enter and manage their own data in a single, easy to use software. visit paycom.com, and schedule your demo today. we face a number of challenges, including poverty, long-term survival and those are due to the low prices we receive for our products. >> that is just one of the many voices that you will hear in our upcoming special on the devastating economic toll the coronavirus crisis has taken on the country. next sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern, bishop barber and i will host a special. you will meet working class

americans, farmers, meat packing employees, fast food workers, all trying to survive one of the biggest challenges this country has faced in nearly a century. joining me is bishop barber. author of "we are called to be a movement." great to see you. let's talk about this. one of the things -- when you presented this idea to us at msnbc, the idea was to take this idea of what the poor is and contextual contextualize it. how has covid-19 impacted poverty in america? >> they don't understand how gross it is. they don't understand before covid, 140 million people living in poverty, 43% of the nation. they don't understand that covid is even worse because pandemics live and breathe and explore poverty. we don't understand the devastation of it. for instance, 61% of

african-americans were poor before covid but then 66 million white people were poor. we are talking about 11 million people being uninsured and poverty growing exponentially. so it's not just somebody living on the street. poverty is affecting 43% of this nation. it's worse because of the pandemic. >> what we have seen is this contempt for the working poor. as you said, people think poverty is only people who are homeless. which is an extreme crisis in this country. but it's people who work in meat packing plants who make not a lot of money, or work in mcdonald's we feature in this special. people who have two and three jobs working in fast food. those people are also the poor. >> exactly. we are talking farmers. we are talking about people who are organizing across this country from appalachia to

alabama. what we have seen is in the midst of this, we have bills pass and none talked about poor people from the bottom up. what we have is a group of people in our political system who claim they run the country politically but they do not care about the people who run the country. listen, we are talking about 100,000 deaths, 700 people died a day from poverty before covid. a day. poverty and low income, quarter million people a year. what covid is doing is exacerbating that number. we don't face this issue of poverty, we will never fix the issues facing this country. >> i have to ask you, donald trump has said that the senate bill -- the house bill is dead on arrival in the senate. donald trump ripped into it. there are provisions that would require 15 consecutive days of early voting, an option for every american to vote by mail, to vote absentee. he is angry there are voting

provisions in it, to protect the postal service. can you just give us a sense of how democrats can get these things enacted? >> we don't need to be compromised before there's a fight. on june 2020, poor and low wealth people are coming together for a mass, historic poor people assembly on washington, a digital matter. people are telling me, if we're going to die, we're going to fight back. democrats need to frame this as moral issues. they need to show this country. that's what we're going to do. >> are we out of time? i wanted to ask you about these -- we are out of time. bishop barber, thank you very much. i appreciate seeing you. be safe. that's our show today. today.

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good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. a tale of two americas. 1,000 people dead from covid-19 named on the front page of the "new york times." crowds gather at pools and beaches. who is heeding the warnings? another day of golf for president trump at one of his private resorts. the optics of this as the nation battles the crisis. what is safe and what's not? we will look at the risks of

several of your favorite summer activities. right now, we are waiting for andrew cuomo about to give his daily briefing. we look at times square. pretty empty on this sunday. we will bring the briefing to you as it gets underway. right now, we get you the news you need to know. the facts as the u.s. death toll approaches 100,000, a stunning tribute to the lives lost on today's front page of the "new york times." naming 1,000 victims of the pandemic. an introduction to the list explains, the 1,000 people here reflect just 1% of the toll. on the heels of that right now, andrew cuomo has begun his briefing. let's listen to him. >> rolling average of hospitalizations is down. that's good news. the intubations are down. the new cases are up a little bit on the rolling average, but all part of the decline. so that's all good news. number of deas