victims of covid-19 in chronological order from patricia dowd to delores medera. four pages, a thousands names in all, but this is only about 1% of the national death toll. now, a countdown is under way marking the days, maybe hours before this toll reaches 100,000 people. it kind of feels like a matter of time. we'll have more on this cover ahead and on why some of us are increasingly likely to end up on this list. first, the president is spending his memorial weekend sunday reenforcing his back to normal message. he hit the links for the second day in a row. monica alba joins us from the white house with the latest. monica, the president, i wonder if he's concerned about the optics of going to the golf

course at this time. it's not first time he's gone golfing on the weekend. he hasn't gone in quite some time. >> reporter: that's right. if he is concerned with the optic, he doesn't appear to be showing that at all. even waving to television cameras from a distance. keenly aware this golf outing, his second straight day is being seen not just in the nation but around the world. he does try to send that message. he issued a stark tweet just arriving at that sterling golf club saying he sees cases naurnldand numbers and deaths going down when in reality, we're headed toward that grim milestone of 100,000 deaths and there are certain places where cases are on the rise. that's not everywhere and there are some declines but it's worth mentioning that dr. debra birx said she is worried about places like the d.c. metro area. this is happening as the fda commissioner, somebody appointed by the president said the

coronavirus is not yet contained. you're seeing different approaches there. the president trying to signal to americans on this memorial day weekend he wants them to get back to doing things they were doing before the pandemic like he is, which in his case, is one of the only forms of exercise he gets. that is on the golf course. >> we should be clear dr. birx said the nation overall is showing a decline but in a number of places the rate is still going up. the president's tweet is untrue. it's not going down all over the country. another sign that the president is kind of pushing us to get back to life as usual, his national security adviser spoke to cbs face the nation about the g-7 summit. the plan was to hold it at camp david. here is part of what he said. >> the g-7 summit, if it happens in person, we think it will. will take place at tend of june. i think we're getting close to the peak in washington.

if the situation permits it, we would love to have the g-7 in person. i think the g-7 leaders would love to meet in person and not do a video conference. the president extended the invitation and so far we had a great response. >> monica, any sense of whether the other g-7 leaders will attend if it's held in june. the uk is dealing with a rising death toll f. france has begun to reopen some aspects of public life but are they all on the same page? >> reporter: we haven't gotten firm confirmation for each group. uk prime minister who came down with coronavirus and was hospitalized in a pretty serious case before recovering, he has expressed a willingness to come to washington and emmanuel macron said he would come nap was going to take place in camp

daifrd in a couple of weeks. if not, lit be a month from now. a lot of people concerned over how that would happen. they would be sure to test all the leaders and their delegations before bringing them together here. >> thank you. that's nbc monica alba joining us from the white house. the president's weekend golf game is nothing new but it's the focus of a new ad from the biden campaign. >> again, that's a biden campaign ad. it's touching on something the public is already expressing. a new abc poll shows that 60% of mem americans disapprove of the

president's handling of this crisis. let's discuss that further. the abc poll is not the only one that shows americans are not particularly happy with the president. the latest poll from fox news shows joe biden up eight points. it's where it's been for most of the year. they were tied when the poll was taken in april. beth, what's that mean to you? >> in the beginning of this pandemic, we saw president trump's approval ratings looking pretty good. about 55% or so across several polls. we' they saying they prooif of president's handling. we're two, two and a half months into it and we have seen his numbers gradually decline. the approval rating, of the pandem pandemic, which is the thing most americans are concerned about has been slipping and slipping. at the same time the numbers, certainly nationally for vice president biden have strengthened. that suggests that that president trump's handling of the pandemic is directly

affecting his one-on-one competition with joe biden at this point. now, it's very early on. the presidential election isn't -- there's five more months for president trump to make up some ground. it's fair to say president trump is the underdog. >> republican governor mike dewine of ohio said this to chuck todd this morning. >> this is not about politics. this is not about whether you're a liberal or conservative, left or right, republican, demonstrademocrat. we where are the mask and it's clear. you wear it not to protect yourself so much as to protect others. this is one time when we truly are all in this together. >> also on friday north dakota's republican governor made an motional plea to wear masks. president trump still chooses either not to wear one, to wear one occasionally.

do we get the sense the nation is more in line with what the president is saying or what the governors are saying n. >> the republican governor of ohio has got astro no, ma'nomi a approval ratings in his state. he started the lock down much sooner than others. he's been on the side of science and his approval ratings have been high. as we were saying before, president trump's numbers is low. polling is showing the public does not have a lot of confidence in his credibility talking about this. now, i will say the fact that the president of the united states is not wearing a mask is definitely a signal to a lot of people. his supporters but also others that perhaps they don't need to do so as will. this leadership is supposed to come from the top. president trump has deliberately said it's just not something he feels that as president, he

wants to do. it sends a message out he's not comfortable with. it's a lot of mixed messaging we're seeing out of the white house. vice president mike pence sometimes wears one. sometimes doesn't. the medical officials at the white house do wear masks. right now president trump seems to be on the side of those state who is say they want to push out and get moving more quickly than this states like ohio which have been very cautious. >> it's worth reminding people that wearing a mask is not about you. it's about the people around you in case you have the virus but don't know it, you wearing mask protects other people. it's not about what you want for yourself. it's what you want for others. thank you, beth. theme parks may be among the toughest businesses to reopen right now. orlando's parks are doing it slowly and with the usual precautions. the universal orlando resort will reopen its attractions on june 5th. it's shopping and night life district is partially open.

universal and msnbc are owned by comca comcast. walt disney world has precautions at its place. it's unclear when disney's attractions will reopen. all the parks plan to limit their crowd capacity when they open but neither of those two will open first. the family own park own fun spot america beat them to it. it reopened this weekend. the beaches are in high demand. california has more than 92,000 confirmed cases of covid 1 and more than 3700 known deaths. that intensifies the concerns over a spike in infections with all the beach goers out for memorial day. joining us from manhattan beach is gadi.

i know you are just suffering under the harshest of conditions in the roughest of environments. i'm so sorry you drew the short straw on this assignment but how are things going on the beach? >> reporter: rough conditions out here, indeed. it's sunny. it's a beautiful day. we found one of the only families in sight that is abiding by the mask wearing guidelines. that's this family right here. as you take a look all the way down the beach, they are really the exception to what is supposed to be the rule out here. let's take a walk. the only people that are not -- that don't have to wear mask right now are going to be surfers that are out in the water. anybody that is under two years old and anybody that has a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask. look at this. this is beach that is pretty full. that there are definitely a lot of people out here.

some are wear iing masks. the majority are not. there's two life guard stands. the life guards aren't wearing masks. we haven't seen anybody in official capacity wears mask. this is the reality of what we're seeing on the ground. the l.a. county has made it very clear that if you are on the beach, the only exceptions are people under two years old, medical conditions and those actually out in the water. joshua. >> just do it from the news room so the rest of us don't have to feel bad that you're out there in 65 degrees in sunny weather on manhattan beach. >> yeah, sure. much more to come on msnbc. license le religious leaders are doing what they can to help people keep the faith. how do they plan to reopen safely as the faithful get more anxious to gather for worship. we'll talk to two faith leaders. our expert panel will answer more of your questions about

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the u.s. is approaching 100,000 deaths from covid 1. we showed you how the new york times is honoring some of the victims. today's cover is covered with names and details from obitua obituaries and death notices. there's no way to poll a representative sample. they came from every walk of life and every corner of the country. noelle, a nurse planning for retirement. sterling, cancer survivor. bet claudia, a deep hearted country girl. michael, who brought the family to church every week. religious services have been out of reach for millions of americans but that is changing. joining us now are the reverend at st. paul community baptist church in brooklyn and the

founder and president of of institute in irving, texas. how are you counselling your members of faith. how have you been helping people through this time? >> i'd say if we broke up how covid-19 has played out in the muslim kpluncommunity. it's been three phases. we had pre-ramadan trying to figure out how to adjust our friday prayers and we had ramadan come in to what is typically a night of worship as well as service to society. we had to shift in terms of worship and service. today we had to shift how to worship and celebrate together. we had a car parade at the mosque today where people decorates their cars and waved

to one another. i think we're trying to figure out how to help people grieve and find joy as well in this time and recognize the unique ways to find ways to connect with one another and for spiritual nutrition and social nutrition through these difficult time. >> pastor, what about you? >> what we're doing right now is virtual services. also, we're reaching every single one of our members by phone, online, zoom sessions. we reached them any way we can. we stay connected to our people. we offer grief counselling to our folks as well as nightly check ins. many of my members have said every time there's a check in, it gives me a sense of what is normal. it gives me a connect point. our folks stay connected throughout the week. sometimes a couple of times throughout the day. it's been a great way to keep people motivated, inspired and uplifted. >> on friday the president proclaimed that houses of worship are essential and ordered states to let them

reopen. let's set aside the politics but pastor what is your plan for reopening the sanctuary. do you have a plan in place yet? >> we're working through our plan but it's plan that will provide safety for our folk. we think it has to be the rubric when it comes down to reopening our church. we're not going to reopen any time soon. we're convinced that we're still reaching our people. we're still being spiritually fed and nurtured. let me say this, we did 25,000 tests with 24 congregations throughout new york city and partnership with governor cuomo and hakeem jeffreys. our churches are reaching people. until we do more testing, until there's contact tracing, we have no intention of going back into our sanctuary. we think ministry can happen behind closed doors or even if the doors are closed or open, it

doesn't matter. ministry happens. >> what about you? whatever guidance you may take from islam on how to deal with this closures and the physical expression of your faith. >> we have done our best to move as much as we can online. i think we found great versety y -- versatility and guidance in offering the check ins and doing the best we can. i can't speak for the entire muslim community and all the mosques are out there. i think the friday prayer, as far as in-person goes takes priority all all prayers. i think some mosques are experimenting with how to practice social distancing. here in north texas our mosques have remained closed.

we have been in close contact with the dallas county judge. we have been taking food out and making sure hospitals have face masks and making sure people are protected that we don't cause harm. >> for people who say my connection to my faith is tied to this place, to the sangts and when i'm at home, i don't feel the same connection to god. i feel disconnected. what would you say to them in. >> i think that's the wrong rubr rubric. church is not the -- church doors being open is not the way to measure the impact of ministry. we measure the impact by the lives that are being changed, by

the people being connected, by the people being reached and the lives changed day by day. you don't need a building to do that. we can continue to do ministry if we're not physically in the building. >> this is one of the most fascinating aspects of this pandemic is the way people worship corporately. i understand the need to gather with others. jesus says go into your closet and close the door and pray. just the way we interact has fascinated me. i wish both of your congregations the best. good to have you both. thanks very much. next, more fall out from joe biden's you ain't black comment. trump campaign tries to capitalize despite the

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larger context. welcome. >> thank you very much. >> joe biden's remark drew criticism from vice president mike pence, the trump campaign has zeroed in, according to politico. the campaign plans to spend a million dollars on an ad blitz based on this. this feels like an unforced error but how much damage, do you think it will do? >> well, i think it's very rich that the trump administration, the president, the vice president and any of his supporters are going, literally going after vice president bind for the comment when you have the president who said that there are very fine people among the tiki torch carrying white nationalists on charlottesville who go after women of color whether it's congresswoman maxine waters or journalists.

you have the president saying in the oval office, s hole countries about countries in the caribbean and in africa. i can just go on down the list. let the president do what he's going to do. i think that kind of attack on vice president biden will reenforce for his hard core base. this just base politics for them. when it comes to vice president biden, the reason why i felt so strongly about writing the piece is i knew the moment, the moment i saw that quote that people were not going to take the time to listen to the 18 minute, 23 second interview. after i listened to it, the minute mark that comment comes in, 17 minutes, 21 seconds. >> it's at the end. >> right. you need to understand the context and everything that was said between -- in those minutes leading up to that are important

here. charlamagne the god is a fantastic interviewer of politicians. he did that with joe biden. he called him out on mass incarceration. he pushed him on a whole host of issues in those 17 minutes. the thing that makes him so good as an interviewer is that he's not an insufferable jerk. he doesn't ask his questions in a way that puts the interviewee on the defensive and makes them not want to answer the question. he just asks the question and vice president biden answered. almost to the point he almost cursed on air and he said, no, i want you to talk that way. >> jonathan, let me ask you about one piece. your point is well taken. i listened to the whole interview and the remark came at the end of this discussion of thing like the crime bill and

mandatory minimums. let me play a piece of the interview of what he said about mandatory minimums. listen. >> same time for the same crime. no one based on their color could go to jail longer than anybody else for the same crime. the unintended consequence which would change, barack and i did, what has the fact you all of a sudden, you could not lower for your sentence be lower than what was the average sentence for everybody else going to jail in the districts. that's how that came about. it didn't say mandatory. we said to the judge, you can't send people to jail for the same crime, different times opinion they have to be within a frame work. that's why that has been changed. >> jonathan, on his actual record, how do you think joe biden is doing right now answering some of these questions that are, perhaps,

especially pertinent to black voters. is he going in the right direction? how do you see it? >> he's going in the right direction that he's going to venues where he knows he will be asked these questions and be challenged. they're going to push him on this. i think that goes a long way to bringing people along. look, folks, sure, they want politicians to agree with them all the time. to support the policies they support. i think given what we have been through, particularly this year, i think a lot of people want politicians who will just tell people what they really think. what they really believe. to be authentic. joe biden has a record to defend, has a record to run on. the more he goes into audiences and makes himself to audiences that will push him to make him

explain, to make him explain his past but to talk about where he wants to take the country going to voters and asking them for their vote, that is going to be important. the key thing to keep in mind about that interview that after that comment, he jumped in and said, i want you to comeback because i have more questions. i think that's what led up to the comment. at the end of the interview, vice president biden said absolutely. i want to come back. i want to answer your questions. i think the more the vice president keeps himself open to these venues, the better i think it's for him and the campaign. >> i will be interested to hear, going forward, this is a to basic for another day, to hear how the trump campaign responds to that you ain't black comment, the options for black voters. if not joe biden, what is it about donald trump that makes him a viable alternative to black voters. if biden was wrong, what makes

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i was five when the space challenger exploded. i worked the columbia disaster. the space program means a lot to m me, but others, why should we care. so elon built a rocket and flying it on wednesday afternoon. so what. >> this is the first time we will be launching humans since 2011. i grew up in south florida too. i remember seeing the space shuttle and the pride you have watching this thing launch. aside from the pride, this is going to be far cheaper. a far cheaper way to get astronauts to the international space station. a shuttle launch was estimated to be about a billion dollars each launch. that got 87 people into space. since the end of shuttle we have been paying the russian space agency about $80 million per seat. with this new partnership with

spacex and another company, boeing, looking to do the same thing, we're looking at tens of millions of dollars to send restaurants. this takes a lot of launching people to the space station and focus on other things. we want to go to moon, if we want to go to mars. this mission has to be successful. we have to have the capability for the prooifrt compaivate com restaurants. >> why now? what's led up this this launch? >> this has been a long process to get here. this started all the way back in 2003. as you mentioned after the columbia tragedy congress asked nasa to find a safer, cheaper way to the space station. it took quite a few years of congressional pushing and about 2010 they announced the commercial crew program. there wasn't a lot of congressional buy in at the time so it was long delayed.

finally, nasa was able to select thee these two companies sending some $6 billion given to spacex and boeing to develop this. here we are today. it's taken a long time to get here because of those congressional budget restranint that we have but space is hard. there's been some stumbles along the way. spacex and boeing having issues developing these and safety is the number one priority for nasa. just to give you a sense of that. there's a risk of one in 270 launches. that's far higher than the risk assessment they set forts fh. >> the pilot of the last mission is fly. how long will they stay in space and if this mission succeeds, what's next? >> they will be in space for about 18 hours before they get to the international space

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we learn in the future. let's bring our panel. good to see everybody on this sunday. let me start with you and the question from miranda. she asks, there's been suggestions that the severity of illness depends on exposure to covid-19. given that, is there evidence to support we should not be quarantining together with family, friends or relatives? my adult son has special needs and considering that not many masks are available in southwest virginia, i'm seeking to be prepared. >> there's a few different questions embedded in there. it's true the higher the viral load you're exposed to, the more severe your illness could be. i think the decision about whom to quarantine with really has to

do with each individual person in that household. there are risk factors and risk tolerance. some people are more risk averse than others. i think if you have a household of folks who maybe are essential workers and will be in and out, they bringing a lot more potential exposures into the home and that's something you need to take into consideration. i don't know the details of needs of your son but if there's any suggestion of an immuno compromised state, that does put him at greater risk. i'm assuming you mean the n-95 mask in shorter supply for individuals. we don't recommends those unless do you are an essential worker. using a cloth covering or a surgical mask is the recommendation to act as a barrier for anyone in the home. >> the cdc said you don't need a mask mask. you can use a face covering.

you can make them from fabric you have at home. it's more of protecting him from your infection, in addition to protecting him for himself. it doesn't have to be a mask mask to be useful. >> let's get to a question from paul. paul asks, eight to ten weeks ago it was all about wearing gloves and not touching surfaces. since wearing masks, people wearing gloves have seemingly vanished. shouldn't we be wearing both? delivery people, grocery store clerks have wearing both. there's been no mention of wearing gloves on the news for weeks. it confuses me. what's the safest thing to do? >> it is confusing, paul. that's a question you and many others including people in many medical profession is confused as well. i wear gloves when i'm out and about. i'm in gloves and in a safe face

covering as well. the issue about people touching surfaces is a complicated one because there's been a lot of research about when it is and when it is not safe to touch a surface. some surfaces are more likely to carry it longer than others. the safest thing to do would be to wear disposable gloves. this goes for individuals and people that handle things that will be handed to you. whether it's store clerk, postal workers and so on, i think the safer thing to do is to wear disposable gloves. >> i think regardless of whether you wear gloves, the advice about hand washing still carries. >> right. except when we're out and we have to go out and it may be hard to execute the hand washing so hand sanitizing or hand sanitizer is the next best thing. i use that on top of my gloves

after i handled something in a grocery store. i sanitize the gloves before taking them off afterleveriavine store. there's a lot of precautions that can be taken. i think the wiser form of valor here is to deal with your hand sanitizing or washing and gloves and a mask. >> let me get to an economic question for you from jonathan. jonathan asks, i've been severing unemployment benefits for a little more than a month now. it's more than i normally made at my job that i got let go from in march. given that, should employers, when they are able to open back up give former employees incentury tiinse incentive to come back. it's hard to tell someone to dom back to work when they are getting paid more being out of work. >> that's an excellent question from jonathan there. totally get it. if you're getting more money off of unemployment, why would you want to go back to a job that's paying you less.

here's the thing. to be eligible for unemployment, you have to be available and able to work. if you are offered suitable work and you refuse it, you could stand to lose the unemployment benefits. >> let me get to a question from an anonymous viewer. they ask, what does the testing level have to be for it to be safer for us older people to go outside again regularly? tough question. what i think a thousands v variables built into it. >> i know. i sort of broke it down into two ways of answering it. one is that experts say that we want to be getting to a level of testing where the number of positive cases is 10% or lower. what that means to us is that we are testing enough people and that we're picking up a symptommatic cases and things

like that so the number comes down. if you're only testing people who are symptommatic, your positives will be really high. like 50, 60, 70% of the people you test. if the rate of positive cases in your area is hoverering around 10% or lower, that generally means they are testing enough people, including asymptommatic people to get dhoown to that number. the flip side of looking at it, but is potentially when is it going to be safe when there might be enough herd immunity in the community. we have talked about that a lot. the experts are saying around 60 to 70% for this virus. how do we get there? 40% with vaccination and about 20% of infection. neither of those two things are there now. we don't know the true prevalence of rate of infection but a few numbers and thoughts to chew on for our anonymous viewer who had a very good question. >> we're not entirely sure how

this may work. whether it's like the flu where you may be immune one year and not the next. we're low on time. let me see if i can get a quick answer. governor cuomo said anyone with symptoms in risk groups should go for a widely available diagnostic test. shouldn't every one be urged to get tested to protect the rest of us? >> we don't really have enough capacity to do the testing that would be ideal which is to test every one that is going back to work or an employee that deals with customers. we're not anywhere what would be ideal. >> one last question. this is from daryl. he asks, i live in upstate new york and own a small movie theater that still has to remain

closed because of covid-19. i felt bad but had to furlough the few employees i have. can i use the ppp money to pay my employees retro actively? >> that's a big issue for many small businesses that received the paycheck protection program loans. at issue is in order to get those loans forgiven which is the goal for many small businesses. they don't want more debt, to get it forgiven you need to use 75% of that loan on payroll over an 8-week period of time. as the question indicates, you have been closed this whole time then you don't have employees actually there. what are you supposed toot? the good news is washington lawmakers are working on fixes to the paycheck protection program that could be included in next round of fiscal stimulus. >> always good to have you with us. thank you all very much. thank you for making time for us. up next congressman castro on

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