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towards normal. thousands of people flock to their local beaches today as more states relax restrictions. the concern over the coronavirus is still there. it's not clear what will happen as social distancing begins to be relaxed. there are good signs today. the state of new york reported less than 100 deaths from the virus yesterday. the governor says all the data is going in the right direction. elsewhere, 24 states still have uncontrolled outbreaks of covid- covid-19. today there was a sobering reminder on the front page of the new york times. the names of 1,000 americans who lost their lives because of covid-19. they account for just 1% of the total lives lost across the country. president trump spent a second day of his weekend at his golf course in virginia. he's busy on twitter as well. the president retweeting attacks on hillary clinton and stacy abrams. i'm not going to read them aloud but you can see them on your screen. this as the death toll in the
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u.s. nears 100,000. with that i'd like to bring in monica alba, white house news political reporter. monica, i want to start with you. i'm told as the president's motorcade was levering the golf course, he encountered some protesters. what are they saying and what are you hearing from the white house in response? >> reporter: a handful of people who were gathered at the president's virginia golf club in sterling and we -- that's something we have seen from the president as he has gone on all of the trips in recent weeks to highlight coronavirus pandemic, but this is clearly a different response from protesters who are holding up the front page of the new york times. those names just 1% of the total death toll that we have seen so far from this health crisis. they were apparently, according
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to the pool reporters who were traveling with the president, chanting stop killing us. it's not clear there were many beyond a handful of protesters there. this is something that's widely reported and when the president's whereabouts are known, it's not unusual for people to gather where he is supporters and detractors. it's worth pointing out that the president wanted these pictures of him golfing out there with wave to cameras and acknowledgement. he said he missed golfing and wanted to get back to it. signaling to americans this memorial day weekend he hoping people let gget back to the activities they were doing. >> you had covid-19, you recovered. when you see the front page of the new york times, when you see those names laid out in print, when you read about these people's lives, what do you hope the take away is on the part of your fellow americans? >> i hope it really humanizes
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this moment for everybody. i know it's still very human for my medicine, the doctors and front line workers and the new yorkers who have lived through the worst moment of our lives. to think of those thousands names on the front cover of my hometown and know that when i look closely, i will know one of those people. i don't want everybody to have to know one of the almost 100,000 people who have dieped --died of this virus. i want them to think it's enough because for me it's enough. >> alexis, so much of this conversation comes down to numbers. you have been doing a lot of deep divering. you report that the cdc is mixing the ruesults of viral an antibody tests. why is this happening and why? >> the truth is we don't know. there's two options. one is that the extremely comp
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tent people at the cdc didn't know they did this. the other is they were under some political pressure to increase the total number of tests that were going up on a new cdc website. i think really, for us, the question is which of those is it and maybe more darkly, i'm not sure which one we were be rooting for. if it was a political, it would be more understanding opinion i'm worried about the data coming out of the cdc and the states. >> what does it mean, alexis, in terms of people trying to figure out when to reopen states, how to reopen states, if there's that glitch in the data? >> we kind of know what the viral diagnostic tests do. they tell you if you have an infection now. with the antibody test, it's about if you had an infection any time. if you've been exposed. those are two different kinds of numbers. depending on who you test, you
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could either drive your numbers up of cases or you could drive your numbers down and drive down your positive rate as well. i think it's one of those things where keeping those data streams separate are very valuable. really important for not moving the baseline. if you start mixing in aenntibo tests you risk clouding the picture. it's not just one way or the other. you could make a mistake in the opposite direction and start making your numbers look worse. we just want clean data. we want interpretable data and that's keeping the two data streams separately does. >> monica, monica, you have ohio governor asked by our colleague chuck todd this morning on meet the press about masks. take a listen. >> this is not about politics. this is not about whether you're liberal or conservative, left or right, republican, democrat. we want the mask and it's been
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very clear that wha the studies have shown. you wear the mask not to protect yourself as to protect others. >> you have the governor of north dakota staying something very similar. is the white house listening to these republican governors who are pushing back on this idea of not wearing a mask or wearing a mask as being a symbol of partisan intent. >> we did see this push and pull ahead this week ahead of the president's visit to ford fak ri where he said he wasn't sure and he made a point of saying he doesn't want to wear one in public to where they could see that and capture the image. he did wear one behind the scenes and we did see a photograph of that emerge. it's clear when asked by others to wear them, he will do it but not for a long or sustained portions of time. we have seen many republican governors and democratic leaders sport the mask because that's what they expect others to do because wearing the mask is so important for yourself and the
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people around you. that's something the president said isn't for him because he's tested daily and doesn't feel the need to set that example. he's quite alone in that. we have seen mike pence wear the mask. we have seen first lady say she will be wearing a mask. she and the president are traveling to florida on wednesday for that launch. it will be very curious to see if when they are around others if they do end up wearing those face coverings. >> charlotte, you have a cover story focused on the glad clas 2020. they are celebrating via voom. how is this pandemic shaping them as they head out? >> i think there's two ways to look at this. one is that these kids are going to have real trouble getting jobs. the economy has almost totally crashed when it comes to new
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jobs that are being offered to graduates. new job posts on some of the jobs have dropped 75% and these entry level jobs but more broadly, this is was already skeptical of government stability and they have real skepticism of american institutions. it will do a lot to determine whether they believe the government can help them. >> to that point, you have the president tweeting major contrast who what his fda commissioner is saying. he says cases and numbers and det deaths are going down. then you have the doctor saying the numbers are not going down. what's the cost for getting this wrong? >> the cost is human lives. that's the cover of the new york times. it's a blatant lie.
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the information is available. it's available to him. it's available to me. it's available to all the other americans. we can see there are 24 states, like you said, that are having an increased number of cases and are not under control. you take new york out of the map of all the cases in the country, you see new york is making us look like we have a flat curve in america. we have to take this seriously. the data matters. the president wants to tweet that we have this under control, he needs to present the numbers that are there. the numbers are okay. >> when you look at that data and think about the projections moving forward, what is it you are looking most likely at as an i understa indicator of where this is headed? >> in state where we have a hospitalized number but in the states we have that, that's number we're looking at. one of the things we're trying
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to hone in on is what's the lag that's built into each of these numbers. one of the crucial things for governors and people to understand is when we start to loosen up some of these restrictions, you're not going to see the numbers pop. every single metric will have a lot of lag built into it. weeks and maybe a month built in on things like death. every one kind of have to think about the numbers that we're seeing even in places they are improving, are really about the actions we took weeks ago. i just, if somehow we don't see cases go up in places that loosen restrictions on people, we won't even know why that is. it doesn't make sense that would happen. i think we're really just looking to see when the changes will show up in numbers. i expect it will be over the next two, three weeks. >> i only have about a minute
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left but i see you nodding. >> it's important to realize this has a 14 day lag. when we see somebody open up and we expect tomorrow, an ex day to see increase in cases, that's not going to happen. we need to be vigilant and we need the data and move forward together. >> all right. thank you all so much. i want to come back to that new york times cover for a moment. u.s. deaths near 100,000. it's more than a big number and unimaginable milestone. it's people who are loved, people who had flows for what they will do this memorial day weekend, this summer. those people, include romi cohn who saved 56 jewish families
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from the gestapo. the president and his administration instead of down playing concerns would have sprung into action. as we ask, what's next? these names are a humbling e ii reminder of the very real cost of getting it wrong. we'll tell you is on the short list and i'll talk to congressman castro on where negotiations stand. that's coming up later in the hour. coming up later in the hour wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one.
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black voters. not only did they launch a million dollar ad buy. they also sold t-shirts to take advantage of any future stumbles. with me to discuss is director of progressive programming for sirius xm. wfr we get into the ways the trump campaign is hoping to seize on this. earlier today we had charlamagne the god on with joy reid. >> what are people telling you they want him to do? >> just some major policy commitments for the black community in the form of economic justice so we can tip the scales on some of this wealth and equality in america. i hear a lot of people say we want him to have a black woman running ma inning mate.
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i don't care about the words and the apology. the best apology is a black agenda. >> as someone who has thought a lot about this, who has written a book about this. what do you want the take away to be from this entire exchange? >> i think this is a completely expected scenario where joe biden is making a gaffe and we all have to scramble to clean it up. this is what we were all worried about. however, there is an opportunity here to take this moment to pause your campaign, meet with community stake holders, community activists, black lives matter activists. do the round tables and the listening sessions that you can glean upon and provide policy plans opinion he's correct in people don't want lip service. people are not calling for a black woman vice president because it makes for a pretty picture. what comes with representation is the diversity of lived
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experiences and somebody who has livered in the beside of a black woman will have very specific experiences that then will be the lens through which she creates policy. i think joe biden needs that on the ticket because, clearly, he has blind spots for being able to converse with younger black millennial voters and he's going to need to improve upon that going forward. >> the congresswoman demmings who is on the vp short list spoke about the trump campaign capitalizing on this earlier. >> vice president shouldn't have said it. he apologized for it. i really think the gal and the nerve of president trump to try to use this in his campaign, he who has since day one done everything within his power,
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supported by his aenablers to divide this country along racial lines. let's talk about race. >> i mean, the point is not for the trump campaign to win the black vote anymore than it is the goal for them to win the latino vote. the hope is to shave after a margin. what are they doing here in. >> you know, i think they are playing politics. they are taking his words many times out of context for impacting and depressing the vote for the latino community, young voters, black voters. that's part of the reason, for example, they have gone as far as change sog maiing so many la. to literally changing our community and keeping our voices from being heard. it's great foreshadowing of what we can expect as we get closer to the election, which we are already in but closer to the fall. >> if you are the biden campaign and you're seeing that ad buy and seeing the trump campaign is making that investment and that
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strategic play, how do you then go on defense? >> i think they need to go on offense. you're not defending your position within the black community because, again, donald trump is not trying to win over black voters. he's trying to make them so disillusions in their options between joe biden and donald trump that they sit home. more of us sat home than flipped from obama to trump. we have to understand if the biden campaign going forward wants to get us to turn out to vote, they need to give us a reason and they need to give us substantive policy plans. she has this quote where she says the people closest to the pain need to be the closest to the power. in this particular moment, america is experiencing an incredible amount of pain. we need people who feel that viscerally, that want to go forward and fight for those
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communities. donald trump is playing golf today when there are 100,000 americans dead. we do not need leadership that thinks that's okay. joe biden has an opportunity in this moment to exploit this deficiencies in the occupant of the white house. >> i mean this from the washington post about how trump's death star strategy of attacking biden head on as a corrupt member of the washington establishment is ill-suited for a pandemic. i wonder if you agree with that assessment and how you see it playing out as we get closer to november. >> i do think it's ill-suited. they have not been able to make end roads with joe biden's poll numbers because people see that there are vast differences between joe biden and donald trump especially as it comes to integrity and going what's right for our country. most presidential incumbents thrive in moments of crisis.
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they usually get what is referred to as a crisis bump because americans tend to ban together. what's happened during this pandemic is a mass iive failuref leadership. more than 100,000 lives. that's likely on the lower end in our nation. what is he doing? he's out there golfing today. we're not even golfing today. he's doing that. the other thing is he's smearing vice president joe biden's name. he's playing these political games when what americans want is somebody to look out for them. americans are dying because of this pandemic and every single week more americans are losing jobs. that's what needs to be focused on. he has shown us repeatedly he's incapable of that. >> i do have to ask you about the states. every four years we see this where these lists sort of come out and it feels a bit like
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floating a trial balloon to see how each name done. how seriously are you taking the list that's floating around? >> i think the list that's floating around is a solid list. i have been explicit about while i think the senators who are on the list who are not black and the governors on the list who are not black, those are not my preference. in this moment, joe biden needs to pick a black woman because of her lived experiences. that's going to set the agenda and the black agenda that charlamangne referenced. he's not going to go out and say things he regrets if he has a black woman in his ear making sure he will not do that. >> thank you both so much. up next, the pandemic is hitting native american communities, particularly hard. we'll talk to a congressman from new mexico about why those communities are vulnerable. a new study shows half of black
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as some states begin to reopen this holiday weekend, the navajo nation says they are under lockdown and plan to continue their stay at home order until june 7th. this comes as native american community vs been hit hard by covid-19. tri triball nations are struggling as the death toll continues to rise. i was so struck by these numbers. native americans accounts for about 11% of the population in your state but they are about 57% of covid-19 cases. what's behind those numbers?
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>> thank you so much for having me this afternoon to talk about indian country. what i'd like to say first is that this is more than just statistics. people who have died, their family members, their parents and children and aunts and uncles and grandparents. somebody's sister or mom. these are people who have lost their lives because of this virus and yes, indian country has been hit hard. i have mentioned many times. the u.s. hasn't led up to its trust responsibility for tribes. not enough infrastructure. no running water. water is polluted. no electricity. no broad band internet service. you pile that pandemic on top of that in rural new mexico and other rural parts of the country
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it's very difficult to fight this. some people, they need to drive throu three hours to get to see a doctor or to a tribal clinic. yes, people are dying. they need our help we are pushing this administration to make sure they get it. >> what does that help look like? >> it looks like funding. we pass $8 billion in funding and the cares act. all of that money has not opinion dispersed yet. we need the cdc and fema to come together and make sure that they are giving the help to tribes that they need. several tribes and organizations raise concern about theys and lack of consultation from fema and the cdc.
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it's not been an easy thing. any way we can help, we're helping. >> as you said, this is more the numbers. these are people who with people who live them. makes me think of the front page of new york times which i'm sure you saw as well. it's my understanding this has become personal for you. can you share with us more about that. >> absolutely. thank you for asking about that. i'm very honored to introduce bipartisan resolution with my colleagues joe wilson and lisa blunt rochester.
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i was inspired by writer and history professor. she wrote a piece in the washington post not too long ago that talked about why are we not mourn i mourning our dead. americans come together to do that. i've been thinking about that for so long. she put my words -- my thoughts into words. we worked on a resolution, my office and i asked my two colleagues, joe wilson and lisa blunt rochester if they would like to co-sponsor with me. that will be pup. hopefully in the come weeks but it does three things. i mean, first of all, look, our desire to mourn together is profound. we do that as a country every time. tomorrow is memorial day and we'll be mourning as a country
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for the soldiers who lost their lives in battle. we want to come together to ease the impact of this crisis. the resolution will say that we want to have a moment of silence on the floor of the house each day we open until this pandemic has passed. we need a memorial once this pandemic is passed in place to be determined where all of us can go and remember all those who we have lost and know that the house of representatives absolutely sends our deepest, deepst condolences to all the families who have lost their loved ones. this fight isn't over yet. we will soldier onto make sure that we're doing everything we can to address this crisis.
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it's ongoing. it's definitely not over yet. we absolutely, at the same time we're moernurning people, we ne to make sure we're doing all question to prevent more deaths as well. >> thank you so much. while the world is focused on the pandemic, the trump administration is making sop important changes to america's immigration policy. up next, aisle tai'll talk to congressman castro about what he plans to do about it. congressman castro about what he plans to do about it - [spokeswoman] meet the ninja foodi grill.
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the trump administration continues to push for more immigration restrictions amid the coronavirus pandemic. the administration indefinitely extended border restrictions which authorize the immediate removal of immigrants even seeking asylum to mitigate the spread of covid-19. migrant children are bearing the brunts of harsher restrictions as reports show unaccompanied migrant children have been deported at quicker rates. immigrants at i.c.e. center have had to choose of releasing their children or staying together in detention indefinitely. that caused house democrat l lawmakers to send a letter urging the trump administration to answer questions by may 28th.
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i'd like to welcome joaquin castro. we read a lot about this policy. these parents are being asked to make what is an impossible decision. whether they release their child without them or they stay in detention facilities with them where they know the spread of covid-19 is a real threat. what are the questions that you want answered from the administration? >> you're raight. all indications is i.c.e. is forcing this ungodly choice on parents of either keeping the kids with them or separating them during this pandemic. we want to know whether the federal government is following the decision of years ago and is acting consistent with law. this is really just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what's going on. you think about it, very few times in american history has the united states closed its off
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to the world the way the trump administration has closed us off at this point. what i mean by that is right now, nobody can naturalize. you can't become a citizen. nobody can get a green card. no asylum seekers who are in desperate situation can have their asylum claims processed. people are being deported. even asylum seekers without any due process of law. looks like the administration wants to keep those restrictions in place indefinitely. you can imagine we have a mountain of questions for president trump and his administrati administration. >> i would add to what you just laid out there's reporting from the new york times that there are unaccompanied chimldren at the border being sent back without so much as someone telling their parents rr family members that they are being sent back so they can make plans for severing them. what does it tell you that that and what is happening in detention facilities is
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happening at the same time in the middle of a pandemic? >> i think it's consistent with what we have seen throughout this administration which is there are human rights abuses that have gone on during the trump administration. it makes it important that if we do have a new administration in january that you appoint somebody who is a cabinet secretary at dhs. somebody to head up i.c.e. people who will be reformers, true reformers that will go in there and clean house and make sure that the human rights abuses stop. >> when you look at the next round of stimulus that will be up for debate. what do you see as the sticking points in that debate? >> i think it will be a lot of things. how you deliver financial assistance to people. we're watching the issue, for example, of mixed status
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families, making sure they get financial assistance one of the greatest injustices of the cares package that wa corrected in the heroes act, these mixed status families. families where you have a u.s. citizen who may be married to an undocumented person who is still paying tax, those families have received no financial assistance at all even though you have a u.s. citizen spouse, u.s. citizen children but because you have an undocumented person or a person who is using a tax id number rather than social security number, that's led to no assistance for these families. i'm watching that very closely. others are as well. there's going be a lot of sticking points. i suspect it will be very intense negotiation among the white house, mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi here in next few weeks. >> in the midst of this there's another story we have been following this week. you and other house democrats have urged that state department inspector general be reinstated immediately.
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you requested more information on the firing which pompeo recommended and information on his replacement by june 4th. that date is creeping up. have you severed anythireceived respon response? >> no. it looks like the inspector general may have been fired because he was investigating secretary mike pompeo. i share the sub committee on over sight and investigations in the house foreign affairs committee. we would like to get information about exactly why he was fired and whether there was an investigation going on of mike pompeo and if there was, what exactly was being investigated. what transgressions may have been the subject of that investigation. we're awaiting that information now. >> all right. congressman castro, thank you so much. >> thank you. up next, struggling small business owners say they still need help from the government but with congress moving slowly,
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open doesn't mean your sales are back to where they were. tl there's still going to be a lot of economic pain. looking forward we're seeing reignition of the economy. people reconnecting to the work force. businesses opening back up. >> that was white house senior adviser kevin hassert projecting a positive outlook as states reopen. many minority small businesses are facing a more uncertain future. a recent survey by color of change found that nearly half of black and latino businesses still operating are expecting to close by the end of the year and never reopen if conditions remain the same.
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with me now is andre perry. he's author of know your price and the ceo of "leapfrog. >> you look at the results of that survey, andre, it's absolutely devastating. it is apparent what is devastating for the people who own those small businesses. but set the stakes for us. what does them being 50% of them out of business by the end of the year mean for their communities at large? >> we have been down this road before, remember? during the great recession, only 50% of black businesses survived. compared to sxick60% of white-o business. during that period you saw severe unemployment, you saw homes being foreclosed upon. it had devastating impact on people of color.
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and i expect the same to occur if we don't find ways to beef up the amount of money allocated to small businesses, particularly those businesses that have a connection to cdf 5 and other small banks. >> natalie, what does it look like to beef up that relationship? >> one of the things that concerns me, right? if the first there was nothing earmarked for specific communities that are as i keep saying, i'm sounding like a broken record, the second most entrepreneurial communities in this nation, communities of color. what happened next was pelosi and schumer put out a plan they were extend ppe by $250 billion and hoping that -- or they were planning that $150 of would be earmarked as cdfi and small banks that had tie-ins to
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communities to color. what they ended up getting is actually exceeded to extending ppe to not 250 billion but 310 which was a coup but the 150 supposed to be earmarked for communities of color somehow shrunk to 30 billion. what we are looking at right now with the heroes act is entire strategy around small business that amounts to $10 billion. it's really concerning, given what we are seeing is the need as andre said to beef up our effort with small businesses. instead what i see is a whole bunch of numbers shrinking. >> andre, what would you want to see in this next round of relief? >> a lot of what is in the heroes act, i agree with, because you're going to have to deal with the epidemics that were impacting black and brown communities before the pandemic in order to have true relief. so i agree with this extension of the 600 per week unemployment
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insurance. i agree with the student loan assistance. i full heartedly agree with the bailout of the united states postal service, the 12 hundred in relief checks folks are getting. and, by the way, the legislation that includes a trillion dollars to go to the states. again, i would love to see a legislation pass that enabled mayors or governors to deploy resources to people, black and brown folks in particular, who did not benefit from the last package. and so i think there you can have a situation where you beef up the community development block grants so that mayors can deploy them because if the federal government is not going to provide relief to black and brown people, then states and cities must. >> that was actually going to be my next question. how much of this ends up falling to cities and states?
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>> as much as we can. i think if the federal government continues to fail our communities, then we really need to think of some of those other options. i don't want to leave the federal government off the hook because what we have right now is that even for the people that did receive, for example, ppe loans, the forgiveness process is incredibly confusing and it needs to be cleaned up. if you got less than $2 million in a ppe loan, it means you're a micro business and you just need to get automatic forgiveness. they don't have faens lawyency r staff or accountants to navigate the guidance that comes out and on a daily basis changing the language. small businesses need the relief not just in capital but a lot less red tape. i think that is a federal government. on the local level, yes, cities have the ability and must be given the funds to be able to intercede where the federal government is failing and one of those requires cities committing, for example, to increase the amount of funding
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that they typically allocate to vendors, for example, in communities of color. if, for example, a city has a target of, say, 5 prps of their city contracts going to women-owned or minority-owned businesses, let's see the double and quad trruplquadruple. efg a focus -- we can't wall the economic impact off. it's like having a peeing or no peeing section in a pool. we are all impacted when business is impacted. >> remember under cares, you saw 95% people of color not getting that. clearly you don't have whites only signs in the legislation, but essentially what ended up being the outcome, you might
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have as well have had that. >> this is really confusing for small business owners. what is your top line counsel to a small business owner that is watching and wondering what they are supposed to do while they wait for federal relief? >> they should still apply for these funds and they should still apply for ppe fund and apply for the economic injury disaster loan as was mentioned. $10 billion that was included in this hero that pales in comparison. again, these are -- we are taxpayers and the federal government must respond. there's no way out of this that if we really wanted an even recovery, the federal government must fulfill their obligations to everyone. >> andre and natalie, thank you both. that wraps it up for this hour. the reverend al sharpton takes over at the top of the hour. he is senior adviser to joe biden who is simone sanders on the program tonight and that is
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