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the u.s. is quickly approaching another terrible milestone as it grapples with the coronavirus pandemic. covid-19 has now claimed nearly 100,000 american lives since the outbreak began, and the "new york times" points out that while the president spent the weekend golfing and tweeting about his predecessor among others, he made no mention of the death toll that is now nearing six digits. joining us now is nbc ease monica alba live from the white house, and monica, the president

did appear in more somber settings today, but he was not adhering to social distancing guidelines. no masks. what is the white house message on this pandemic as we enter this new phase of the crisis with all 50 states reopening? >> well, chris, we've heard it from the president himself in the form of tweets. he wants the nation to be looking at this as a transition to greatness, in his own words, and as he has said for weeks now, the cure cannot be worse than the disease. but that is really hard to square with the reality from this health crisis, as you see that death toll continue to go up, and you have even members of the coronavirus task force saying this virus is not yet contained, and you had dr dr. deborah birx on the sunday shows warning that social distancing is critical and that if anybody is going to be outside in a small limited gathering and they can't be socially distant, they simply must wearing a mask. those warnings continue to be coming from the officials, but from the president, we're hearing far more of a political

message as he looks ahead to his re-election campaign and november, wanting to get back out there and travel more, wanting he has even told reporters to restore those large rallies with thousands of people, which health experts say really can't be even thought about or organized for weeks if not months to come. he and his campaign are looking at ways to do that because they are also hoping to get that message out there and want to relay that things are getting back to normal in that sense. he's also very focused on the political calculation here of trying to project optimism when it comes to the economy and also signaling that in the weeks to come, he won't just be in battleground states for the coronavirus pandemic response, but he believes he will be returning to campaigning in that mor tradition more traditional sense. you saw him today so focused all day on the republican national convention and what that might look like. it's currently scheduled for the end of august in charlotte. he is saying if there can't be a guarantee that as many as 50,000 people can gather for that, he

doesn't want to host it there. of course that democratic governor hasn't been able to make those assurances. that is very much an indication of what's on his mind as he looks ahead to the coming months, chris. >> monica alba, thank you so much from the white house. let me bring in jonathan cape heart, pulitzer prize journalist as well as an msnbc contributor, also with us michael steele, former chairman of the rnc and an msnbc political analyst. michael, the president was on a bit of a tear this weekend, i mean, going after obama, going after biden. he obviously is going after the democratic governor in north carolina. he wants to be able to do the convention there, pandemic be damned, and he's really unhappy that anybody has brought up the fact that he's golfing. he says that is from the fake and totally corrupt news that makes it sound like a mortal sin. also suggesting that even if he hadn't golfed for three months, they would do their usual hit pieces. they are sick with hatred and

dishonesty, and then as has been pointed out, not a word about the nearly 100,000 people michael, who have died in this pandemic. >> well, we see what the president's priorities are. it's golfing. it's hosting a convention that, you know, has -- is going to be fraught with a lot of problems. it's all the political stuff that he's interested in, all the me, me, me stuff, and the fact that on this memorial day where you still have a growing death count unfortunately, from coronavirus, you're still very more and more people infected. you're seeing across the country now slight spikings because states are not enforcing, you know, or adhering to social distancing that they claim that they are, and so that's where we are. we've got a president that's run amuck on this whole issue from

the very beginning from denying that there ever was a problem to right now sort of saying, well, if there's a problem it's because the fake news is talking about all the wrong stuff. so how do we go from here? what do we as americans expect from this memorial day? and i think that that's a big driver and will be a big driver over the course of this summer, and certainly as the debates heat up around to hold a convention or not hold a convention, these are going to be things that are going to refocus the american people's psyche, if you will, on what the president's priorities truly are when it comes to their health and their well-being. >> well, one of the things that we do know -- and it's some great reporting in your paper, jonathan, and maybe it slipped a little under the radar over this holiday weekend, the trump administration was required to detail the national testing strategy to congress, and "the washington post" got their hands on it. it shows that the administration

is saying, look, this is the state's responsibility. we're going to take care of getting a lot of the swabs to you, but it's going to be up to the states pledging to buy 100 million swabs by the end of the year, by the way, and distribute them to states. what does this tell you about how the president's planning to handle this crisis going forward as we get into what will be, even though it won't be the same, will be the heat of this campaign for the presidency? >> right. you know, i wish i could say that i was surprised, shocked and dismayed by the reporting in our paper or the attitude that it represents coming out of the administration. this is to be expected from the trump administration and from president trump in particular. he does everything to absolve himself from any responsibility when it comes to anything that might, you know, cast a bad shadow over him or his

administration. he's all fine taking credit when things are good or good news, but when it comes to things that could possibly go wrong or cast him in a negative light, he wants to wash his hands of it. we saw it when -- i think it was kristen welker who asked him in the rose garden months ago now it seems, did he take personal responsibility, he said, no, i don't take personal responsibility. and so that so-called national plan that they have is not a federal plan. it's one that puts all of the responsibility on the governors so that it gives the president an out, a way to say the spikes in cases in cities and states across the nation have nothing to do with me, has everything to do with those governors, and if that governor or if that mayor is -- happens to be a democrat where things are going wrong, he is going to use that, and we've seen it. he's going to use that as a way to beat up on democrats for his

own political purposes. and that's not what's needed now. >> i want to get a quick reaction from both of you. we're running low on time. we saw joe biden today. we haven't seen him in months. he came out and did another traditional wreath laying ceremony, the same place he went last year, and his campaign released an ad that's pretty pointed against the way the president has been handling all this. let me play a little bit of it.

and sort of to add to that, he tweeted last night that the presidency is about a lot more than tweeting from your golf cart. we've only got about 30 seconds for each of you, but i'd like to get your thoughts on strategically where you'd like to see joe biden going forward. michael, i'll start with you. >> i think he's got to do what you see him doing here. he's got to begin to engage. he's limited by the reality that he's not the president and doesn't have command and control of the federal government and its institutions in this crisis, but he can create a narrative. he did not help himself this week with the narrative he started to create, which john i think explained very aptly in his piece, but nonetheless, he has to avoid the missteps. he has to be concise. he has to be precise, and he can't assume a lot about political relationships, whether with african-americans or any other group in this country, he's got to go out and make his case every day why he should be the next president of the united states.

that's a good way to begin that conversation. >> jonathan. >> yes, and i would add to that. i think vice president biden set the right tone today. he left his home for the first time in two months to go to a war memorial. that's presidential. >> jonathan cape hart, michael steele. it's great to see both of you je gentlemen. i did appreciate you coming out on a holiday to spend some time with us. an historic space launch, the first from the u.s. in nearly a decade. maybe something to look forward to and bring our nation together during this pandemic. you're watching msnbc. so, no more tossing and turning... or trouble falling asleep. because only tempur-pedic uses proprietary tempur® material... that continuously adapts and responds to your body, to relieve pressure... so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. all night. every night.

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a great name for a book, but before we get to the science of what we're going to see on wednesday, i think we can all agree that a coming together would be a huge positive for everybody right now. what do you think this launch could mean big picture? >> well, you know, the coronavirus has inflamed nationalist passions and border conflicts around the world, but the symbol of the international space station, the destination of the space shuttle is peaceful exploration of space and opening up the heavens for everybody. you know, what's new about this space shuttle mission is the fact it's the first one to have a reusable booster rocket that drives down the cost so that even small nations can one day have access to outer space. you know, to put you in orbit, if you were to go into orbit around the earth, it would cost

$10,000 a pound to put you in orbit around the earth. that's how expensive the space program is, but once booster rockets become reusable, that will drive down the cost of space travel, increase international cooperation, and literally open up the heavens. >> first of all, let me say sign me up. i hope one day before i die i get to go into space, but let's talk about this space mission on wednesday. what could it tell us beyond maybe a little more opening up for more countries, for more things? what could it tell us about what we could accomplish in space, especially now i think at a time where we've heard a lot of skepticism about science? >> well, first of all, if you take a look at the long-term picture, the dinosaurs did not have a space program, and that's why there are no dinosaurs here today to argue that point, and that's why it's so important for

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i'm katy tur continuing msnbc's memorial day coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. it's been a split screen day in america. on one hand, you have somber ceremonial and social distance images dedicated to honor those servi serving our country. this was the president earlier today. joe biden made his first public appearance in more than 70 days for a ceremony at veterans memorial park in delaware. as you see, he wore a mask. now, contrast those images with the celebratory and at times, unsafe pictures of crowded beaches, parks, pools and restaurants around the country. from lake geneva in wisconsin to central park in new york. they are the type of images cheered by president, despite the public health risks of potentially reopening too

quickly. as you can see, every region of the country outside the northeast has yet to see a decline in cases. the death toll is going to hit 100,000 in the next few days and while it has been slowing nationally, we've heard multiple warnings from public health officials including the fda commissioner who cautioned this weekend that the coronavirus is not yet contained. it's up to every individual to proeffect the themselves and their community. social distancing, handwashing and wearing masks protect us all. as we mark this sell em day, the vector from president trump perhaps stands out even more. this holiday weekend, he's unloading a series of insults, conspiracy theories and threats directed at political foes and a few of political friends. washington post, on a weekend dedicated to war dead, trump tweets insults, promotes ba

baseless claims and plays golf. our team of reporters on this memorial day. can kyle perry is in wisconsin and katy park is in new jersey. we've had nearly four years, 3 1/2 years of this presidency and at times, it's always been hard to put a circle in a square peg, but today seems perhaps difficult, the president on the one hand laying a wreath at the tomb of unknown soldier on this very somber day, and on the other hand, saying things on twitter and calling people names that i wouldn't dare repeat on television, what's going on? >> reporter: that's exactly it, katy, today was a more somber and scripted donald trump than

we have seen in recent weeks. but that was the point. the white house wanted to be sure to honor the loss of life here on this important day of remembrance, it's really twofold, the fallen heroes from wars and the victims of the coronavirus pandemic, that the president was sure to acknowledge when he visited ft. mchenry in baltimore today, certainly not the case over the weekend as he did spend almost all of his time either golfing or tweeting at former rivals or critics like hillary clinton and jeff sessions. and failing to acknowledge the actual numbers of the death toll which as we all know is appearing to be closest to 100,000 people. the president hasn't ral really uttered ha death toll, because for so long he projected it to be lower. now that it's so high, the white house acknowledged hasn't e that

total. the president and the first lady are going to be going to the spacex launch. the president telling americans life is getting back to normal. his fourth visit to a battleground state in as many weeks. trying to put a focus on the re-election ahead of november, katy. >> you're talking about a shift in strategy, monica, from what you know, correct me if i am wrong, has the president tweeted about the coronavirus today? >> he has tweeted, acknowledging that he wants to frame as the transition to greatness, wanting the country to be more optimistic about returning to activities they were doing before the pandemic. as you saw him golfing there all weekend. he and his administration want to urge americans to do.

we haven't heard at all acknowledge the front page of "the new york times" which of course included only 1% of the death toll, that kind of recognition we haven't heard from the president in that sense, katy. >> do we expect with his action now he's going to start to ignore the virus and move toward as you said more an image of semiambulance of normalcy? >> i think it will be impossible to ignore it, katy, given how many questions will continue to be presented to him in the coming days and weeks. but there will be more of a focus and attention on what's to come. he doesn't want to look in rearview mirror. of course, people will continue to press him on that. you saw today he's very much looking ahead. focusing so much of his energy on what might happen with the republican national convention, where it might take place.

he wants to see crowds of thousand of people in short months from now. the reality says, that's not possible. he's looking to those kind of events, less focused on the virus, katy. >> monica, thank you. i want to go over to you, mike. this campaign season was always going to be different. and i don't think anyone could have predicted it would be different like this. we saw joe biden for the first time since march 15th, leave his house, tell me about it. >> yeah, katy, it's been -- what typically would be a fairly routine event, a candidate marking memorial day by laying a wreath counts as extraordinary in this environment, in this campaign year, under the shadow of the coronavirus pandemic. but katy, as the campaign, you know, was starting to get increasing frequency, as states

were beginning to move phase reopenings of when we would see joe biden back out in public, when i talk to the campaign about this, i'd get two answers. health and safety. the first is that delaware's still under a stay -at-home order, the phase one reopening will begin starting in early june. the campaign did not want to give the president who's been most recently really pushing states to open more aggressively, any license, if joe biden is out in public it's good enough for you. the second thing is, logistics and the health and safety of candidate movement. you know this katy, from covering a campaign. a small and brief event like joe biden today going with his wife about 15 minutes' drive from his home requires infrak strk church

in the numbers of people to get the reporters cleared by secret service, to get them in vans, to an event site. on friday, weer with told, we're not going to be the campaign that puts anybody's health or safety at risk because of a photo-op. on the one level, this is a solemn week for the biden family. on saturday, the anniversary of the passing of his eldest son beau five years ago to brain cancer. this is something that came together fairly quickly. and we have seen the biden campaign, they want to present biden as sort of modeling presidential behavior as the public should see it in their view. that's why you saw him wearing that facial mask. and so i think as the president is moving more aggressively not

just to appear in public in battleground states to talk about the but to talk about other topics. this was a moment for them to get a trailnk you very much. kyle perry, you're in washington, i've been following you on twitter. i've seen you out there today. it seems like you might be one of the only people wearing a mask and practicing social distancing, tell me what it's like to be there. >> trying to. here's the beachside here, wisconsin, only a couple of hours from chicago. this place fills up seasonally from chicago. i spent a few months in lockdown in london, a place where you don't go grocery shopping, you have it delivered. here, it's as if it's as any other memorial day. totally packed. thousands of people. the social distancing measures that these restaurants are putting into practice, they're not working, they're forcing

some people outside. as you said, not a lot of face coverings. in illinois, about an hour away, they're required. if here in wisconsin, they will not. as you know, the governor put restrictions here in wisconsin, those were overturned by the supreme court of wisconsin which has led to all this. you talked to businesses here. sure we're grateful for the business but it's the employees who are worried about their health, the health of their families. no one knows how this is going to play out. they say they're brave, this is way of getting out. telling us to go home. doesn't seem to be any social distancing and not a lot of care when it comes to coronavirus. >> the people there just not worried about it, they're not worried about their own personal safety? >> i haven't met anybody who is. i met some people two from lake

geneva, they're worried about the second spike. at the same time, they'll add, this is place that relies on that business. people here want a little bit more funding to these programs, stay closed. again, i think they felt the supreme court made the decision it's time to open up. nobody's wearing them. katy. >> striking images. kyle, thank you very much. kathy park, you're along the jersey shore, what it's like there. >> i'm here at point pleasant beach and typically on an average memorial day weekend, i'm told you'll see about 60,000 people per day, right now it's ha empty. we have a handful of people. but, man, this has such a big impact on the local economy here, they really count on the

tourists from memorial day to labor day, that's when the businesses really count on the profits to come in and point pleasant beach is unique, because the boardwalk is completely closed right now. the state of new jersey the governor said that the jersey shore is open, it's up to the each jurisdiction what to open and when talked to the mayor, his decision to close off the boardwalk was because of staffing and crowd control. and he just thought it was best to keep it closed for now and he hopes to open it up in about two weeks. the businesses that really rely on the visitors, you know they're not seeing that right now and even in the downtown area, they're curbside only, that's only huge challenge. a surf shop owner said his profits are down 75%. it's a tough time all around.

they're hoping that things will turn around soon. the guidance continues to change. they're trying to plan ahead and just get ready for a potential influx of people and they're just not seeing that, katy. >> kathy park, thank you very much for working on this memorial day. ahead -- an urgent crisis in alabama as america tries to reopen, some intensive care units are nearing their breaking point. the bed shortage in one major city that could indicate a much broader problem. and later the department of justice is taking on illinois governor, saying his stay at hom restrictions have gone too far. this is decision tech. find a stock based on your interests

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welcome back. over the weekend, president trump tweeted that, quote, cases, numbers and deaths are going down all over the country. while some places are making progress that's not true everywhere. as we showed you at the top of the show, other than in the northeast, confirmed coronavirus cases are not yet declining. that's particularly true in the state of alabama. where cases have spiked just two weeks after businesses began reopening. in montgomery, the mayor is sounding the alarm of a shortage of icu beds because of influx of patients from rural areas. so the mayor there is saying

that they're having a problem with the number of cases that they can adequately handle, what does that mean for this town? >> that means a pretty big strain on hospitals here, katy. the number of cases in montgomery county has nearly doubled in just two weeks, doubled in two weeks. so that means for hospitals like this one there's a lot of pressure on the staff and the resources here. right now, jackson hospital, they don't have any icu beds available and the other hospitals in this area are not faring much better. in fact, some of them had to send patients to birmingham and the doctors i have been speaking to, emphasized it's not just covid patients, other diseases, other health problems don't stop in the pandemic. they're facing challenges on all front. i want to introduce you to a doctor who's been practicing

medicine for 14 years. they thought they were through the worst of it a few weeks ago, instead, she's dealing with one of most challenging times of her career. take a listen. >> i'm used to taking care of sick patients. i'm used to seeing death in the icu, but the volume of death and not being able to help my patients is just heartbreaking. to be honest with you, every day i'm on the brink of tears. because it's tough. i don't think people realize taking care of people that are dying that you can't help and we're not talking all nursing home patients who have comorbidities. we're talking about young people, young children, who may not be able to get better. >> katy, i got to tell you, i was on the brink of tears listening to her. it's so tough to hear especially

as you were watching right now, the state of alabama continuing to reopen, just on friday, the governor lifted even more restrictions so now other entertainment venues like bowling alleys, theaters can reopen, along with restaurants, salons, bars, have been opened for a couple of weeks here. for the doctors in this hospital, they're seeing some of the consequences of that. >> some of the young children she's trying to treat may not get better. for more on the issue of overwhelmed hospitals and the potential consequences, let's bring in dr. william hallston. looking at these images that we're seeing around the country, cal perry in lake geneva, not wearing macks, heckling him for wearing one. we saw images in the ozarks over

the weekend, there are folks out there who say, hey, listen, i don't think it's going to be a spike in cases. what's your warning when you're seeing people who are tired of staying inside, tired of the rules, they want to go back to normal, what do you tell them to convince to proeffetect themsel. and others. >> that's a tough question. i'm tired of being inside as well. i'm very careful. i'm very careful with my family. i looked at the numbers just before we got on, and the states that you were talking about -- illinois and wisconsin, illinois has four-times the number of people reported yesterday as they did two months ago, wisconsin has twice as many, you look at alabama and texas, three-times as many cases rep t

reported as they did two months ago, now two states are doing much better -- new jersey and new york. and we are more careful. it's true some of us aren't. but most of us are. and that's a big lesson. if you're careful, you'll control the epidemic. if not, your numbers double and triple. that's what's happening throughout the country. and that's not counting what's happening this weekend. i'm really worried. >> the argument i keep hearing from people who are tired of this and i want to go outside and want to socialize and want to get their jobs back the mortality rate is really low and they don't think the country should be shut down for a one or 2% or less mortality rate. >> let me tell you what happens if you get this, okay, mortality is one part of it, about 15% of people don't even know they've got it. about 60% of people know they've

got it and are feeling lousy. like they have a bad flu. about 20% of people go to the hospital. they don't die. they go to the hospital and it may take them months and at this point for heart disease and other issues like renal dialysis, they may have a life long health impairment. what about all those people who come out damaged for months? if not years, if not for the rest of their lives. if you get this, you have 20% chance of being seriously ill and perhaps losing your life. now we know the impact on children is much more serious, this is not a disease of only the lungs, it affects the kidneys and the entire lung system. they see brain clots, heart clots, it's an inflammation of

the arteryial system. this is serious. the fact there's four-times as many cases in illinois as two months ago and people are going out, it's scary to me and i think every doctor -- you heard those nurses talking. they are terrified of what's coming. >> let's talk about a vaccine. there are a number of promising studies out there being done. promising options for vaccines potentially going forward. the president, his defense secretary, and the new vaccine czar they've created say they could have a vaccine as early as october. from everything that i've read about vaccines, from all the conversation i've had with people who create vaccines with doctors, that seems like not

just an expedited time line but a completely unrealistic time line, what do you say to that? >> katy, i've created vaccines and you're exactly right. i'd say the first thing to think about with a vaccine the question isn't when, it's if. we're not sure we're going to have a vaccine. this is very difficult virus. it's not like other viruses. when you get infected with coronaviruses in general you're not protected for very long if you're protected at all. and we don't know how to make vaccines easily for that. secondly, let me talk about something that most people don't talk about the older population, the population at risk, is really hard to vaccinate people, even with something like the flu vaccine. they don't take vaccine. you lose your ability to remember what you've seen. your immune system -- every

vaccinologyist knows that. to talk about vaccine to protect people, it's unlikely to protect older people, 60 and above. and then i can get into a whole lot of other issues. the safest assumption, is to fight this infection with tools that we know work. isolate those who are exposed. minimize contact. where they work, like in new york, like in new jersey, we have seen a twofold to four fold decrease in cases. where they're not working we see an increase, even in california, they relaxed the laws, we're seeing a twofold, to threefold in cases. these are serious issues, people can't dismiss this as a normal

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welcome back. earlier this hour, we showed you what's happening in one part of new jersey, one part of the jersey shore. now we're taking a look at what's going on in a more urban area of the state, of course, having to deal with warmer weather and people wanting to go outside. the mayor of hoboken, ravi bhalla joins us. it's a struggle when some people can go to the beach and others can't go to the beach. are you worried about the mixing of socialization and people coming back and maybe bringing something back to your town? >> sure, you know, we can't close our borders okay, but we want to make sure there are enough options in hoboken to

open the city to avoid going to the beach and enjoy the city. so we're opening our streets to pedestrians, joggers, bikers, we're planning for when nonessential businesses open they have expanded capacity through closed streets, expanded sidewalks, so that people can really enjoy not just the fresh air and outdoors but businesses that open when permitted to do so can do in a responsible manner and can do so using the municipal real estate we have which is our sidewalks and our streets. >> why do you think you've been able to keep your case and fatality rate down so low when you border the biggest hotspot in the country? >> well, i think it's a couple of reasons -- one, we were the first municipality in the country to close our bars and

restaurants, that was a decision which was a matter of not just days but hours in terms of saving lives. so the numbers are really showing on the back end, but really, it's also a credit to the residents of the city of hoboken, they've taken our precautions very seriously in terms of socially distancing, when you walk out on the street of hoboken a vast majority of people are wearing face coverings, they're taking this as a serious, serious virus. here in hoboken, relatively positive results are showing. >> do you think it's possible to reopen businesses in hoboken and do it in a safe way? >> that's exactly what we're preparing for, it's a decision that's going to be made by governor phil murphy, who's doing a phenomenal job in taking

this reopening process in a incremental, thoughtful way. what we're doing, we're operating under the assumption that one day we'll open nonessential businesses such as restaurants, cafes, retail stores, but what we're trying to do is make sure we give those mom and pop stores the real estate in the form of sidewalks and streets, block streets to vehicular, so they have the distance to operate successfully and in order to do in a socially distanced manner and i have to say, testing, testing, testing. we've been at the forefront not just in the state, but in the country, that everyone has access to a test, they have access to covid and antibody testing. we're also bringing testing to

seniors who can't reach the site. we go to the senior buildings. test people at their doors. anybody who's asymptomatic can be tested. we're combining the public health aspect and when those businesses are open, they have enough real estate, enough space to do successfully and in a safe manner. >> hoboken mayor, ravi bhalla thank you. the department of justice gets behind a lawsuit challenging the illinois governor's stay-at-home order. you're watching msnbc. ♪ thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer,

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welcome back. president trump says he's leaving it up to governors to decide when and how they reopen their states. but the justice department is now backing a lawsuit filed by a republican illinois state lawmaker accusing the state's democratic governor j.b. pritzker of exceeding his authority with his stay-at-home order, it comes as illinois which has reported more than 110,000 cases and more than 48,000 deaths, appears to have flattened its curve but yet to bend it. congressman, thank you very much for joining us. i want to get your reaction to the doj's lawsuit and here's what they say in statement, in

response to the covid-19 pandemic, the governor of illinois has over the past two months sought to rely on authority under the illinois emergency management agency to impose sweeping limitations on nearly all aspects of life for citizens of illinois significantly impairing in some instances their ability to maintain their economic livelihoods, what's your response to that? >> well, i think that that su suit -- that suit is insane. not only insane, but it's -- the governor of illinois has done an outstanding job in terms of trying to keep illinois safe, keep us healthy, keep this disease contained.

we're all uncomfortable. but we're alive, some of us. but i think the governor has done an outstanding job leading this state to put us in a position where we can contain this dreaded disease. so i applaud the governor, i stand behind him. i'll certainlied y advocate for measures that he's taking. it's inconvenient. what it's inconvenient when you're talking about lives. particularly for our senior citizens, for those who are poor, those who are sitting on

the sideline. the governor is doing a fantastic job. very courageous job. i absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, stand shoulder to shoulder with him, no matter what arise from the suit. what misguided people may take in their -- i'm for illinois's citizens, the safety of illinois citizen and i'm for this governor. >> very quickly, congressman, i know that you've just compared -- i know it's a different story, but the ahmaud arbery case, you compared his death to the death of emmett till, tell us what the comparisons are? >> the comparisons, the

similarities, emmett till was killed, mainly because -- not mainly but exclusively he was a young black man in american. ahmaud arbery killed for the very same reason. he was denied any -- he was killed solely on the opportunity. they were lynched.

were given federal protection to young people, to african-americ african-americans. there's no difference. not a single sliver of difference between the attitude that killed emmett till and the racest attitude that killed ahmaud arbery a couple of -- a few months ago. not a sliver of difference. white ans animosity. so solely responsible for it. >> congressman bobby rush, thank you for joining us. >> i want to create a misspeak,

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in recent months our nation and the world have been engaged in a new form of battle against an invisible enemy. once more the men and women of the united states military have answered the call to duty and raced into danger. tens of thousands of service members and national guardsmen are on the front lines of our war against this terrible virus. >> welcome back, that was president trump earlier today at a memorial day ceremony in baltimore. before that, he laid a wreath at the tomb of unknown soldier at

the arlington national cemetery. as we honor the of the pandemic. as we honor service members who lost their lives, we want to note the impact the virus is having on veterans. more than 1,000 veterans have died from the disease. at least 74 of those deaths are at the holyoke soldiers home in massachusetts. it's one of the deadliest coronavirus outbreaks in a long term care facility anywhere in the united states. joining me now from arlington national cemetery is courtney cubi who covers the pentagon. the president was there earlier today how was this different this year than in years past? >> arlington national cemetery is closed to the public. closes for two months now. family members of those who are buried here can come and visit

their loved ones with appropriate protective gear, the general public can't come here, today the memorial day ceremony every year for the past 100 years has been held at the memorial ampitheater. presidents, vice presidents, secretarieses of defense, military leaders have come here for the past century. they lay a wreath and they give speeches inside the ampitheater. this year they didn't give any speeches, the normally 3,000 members of the public that are normally in the ampitheater, it was empty. it was a much smaller and more smaller ceremony. we didn't have the normal pomp and circumstances and the normal extended ceremony we see here. >> the washington post has been covering this tragedy at

holyoke, that long term care facility for veterans, where 74 of them have died from coronavirus. what is it the va doing? what did they do to prepare for this, and to protect this nation's veterans? >> so the va, according to secretary wilke, they began stockpiling ppe. they were among the first to ston any kind of elective surgeries and procedures, there by freeing up bed space. the va at any given day has 13,000 beds available in the united states. by stopping those elective procedures, they opened up more of those beds should they be needed for coronavirus patients. the va is an enormous facility throughout the entire country. behave seen instances like the one you mentioned in holyoke, where they aren't getting the care they need, they don't have

the equipment that they need to care for these veterans. we know now from the va that more than 13,000 people in va medical care have tested positive for coronavirus. and more than 1100 have died, katie. >> that is so disspiriting especially to hear it on memorial day. the veteran's administration has had issues now for some time, this president came in promising to fix the va and rehab its ability to help and protect american's veterans. do they feel like they've got a handle on things now? are we going to continue to hear stories about this? or are they now putting different measures in place to make sure these long term care facilities, they may have per view over are adequately staffed, add qualitily proceed tekteds with ppe, and adequately quarantined if they experience

an outbreak. >> the va. these long term care facilities, we've seen these issue in nursing homes across the country. if you talk to the va about it, they insist that they have this under control. they've been out in front of this issue since early february. the reality is, like i said, they have facilities all across the country. and there's no way that they cannot -- that they can keep all of them with all the ppe and wall the equipment they need. the va as you mentioned, they have had problems, suicides among veterans remain high. at least 20 to 22 per day in this country, katie. >> nbc's courtney kubi, thank you very much. a special essay from our colleague harry smith, remembering the sacrifice of the fallen on memorial day. >> every may, members of the u.s. army's historic old guard place american flags at each of

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welcome to monday, it's meet the press daily. i'm katy tur in for chuck todd. the images of today in the past few days are a snapshot of a country in a public health and political crisis. despite warnings from public health officials that this virus has not been contained. some people are