this is where it becomes recognize memorial day. first time they're out in a long difficult. you obviously don't want an time. then president trump, no mask. ozarks party scene. at the same time, you don't want awkwardly standing. ghost towns on main street usa. trump made two public appearances yesterday without we have to learn to thread the wearing a face mask. needle and understand, yes, biden, who emerged from his home there may be a bump in for the first time in two months yesterday, wore one. infections from time to time, the president participated in but if we have the testing and the traditionsal wreath laying the tracing, we can isolate, we ceremony at arlington national can treat, and we can do this in cemetery, and then spoke at a smart way. that's why i hope the president baltimore's fort mchenry. will start leading by example, comparing the service to those wearing the mask, and just serving on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic. follow the advice of his own joe biden laid a wreath honoring fallen soldiers at a delaware doctors. that's what joe biden asked him war memorial, and urged to do in january. americans to, quote, never that's what america needs to ask forget their sacrifices. him to do today. biden, his wife, and the members just follow your own doctors' advice. let's reopen this economy and be of his security detail, all wore face masks. able to keep it open. >> again, despite those scenes, the former vice president and like the cameras zeroed on one his staff were diligent when it pool party at the lake of the came to social distancing.

an aide could be heard to tell ozarks that wasn't good, on a reporters to, quote, back up, beach in florida, most people when they tried to press in are being smart about this. closer. by people, i mean the people who biden also caught the president's attention. go out into the stores and also trump retweeted a photo of biden in his mask, posted by fox news, people who own them. go to any town, you'll see how restaurants and bars are grap e grappling with this. only so many people inside at a mocking the former vice president. time, sanitation stations, quote, this might help explain everything else. people are following the rules. why trump doesn't like to wear a it'd be good to have a president mask in public. i don't get it, joe. who led by example. people are doing it without him. it is a good example. >> actually, willie, what it it is a small per seascentage o shows is why, actually, joe americans who aren't following the rules. the white house is moving up its ban on travelers arriving to biden is doing so much better than donald trump among seniors. the u.s. from brazil because of a surge in coronavirus cases in why joe biden is doing so much that country. that will go into effect later today, three days earlier than better than trump in critical previously projected. swing states, like pennsylvania joining us from rio de janeiro, and michigan. beating him in minnesota and brazil, bill neely. wisconsin polls, florida, good morning. what is the latest on the outbreak there ha hthat's promp arizona. i mean, what have we heard from this travel ban from the united donald trump's white house? states?

what have we heard from donald >> reporter: good morning, guys. trump's doctors? really interesting point, by the what have we heard from dr. way, by mike ryan of the world fauci? what have we heard from dr. health organization. we've become used to this idea of the warning of a second wave, birx? we've heard that you wear a maybe in the fall. mask, not for yourself, we're he's talking about a second peak of this first wave that could be told you wear a mask to protect caused by states or even cities others. so joe biden doing that, loosening their lockdowns too actually, that's something every soon. it could also be caused by senior citizen whose life is at travelers coming from places like this, from brazil or chile risk right now understands. >> and needs people to do. >> that one person is following or mexico, and restarting a the guideline that donald second peak of this first wave. trump's white house said you really interesting. should follow, to protect the crisis here, willie, in seniors, to protect everybody. >> it's a choice. brazil is clearly causing real >> one is not. that's actually -- that's a concern in the white house. split screen in this pandemic the travel ban on foreigners that's killed nearly 100,000 people and taken so many from the greatest generation. arriving to the u.s. from brazil that is a split screen that joe was meant to kick in on thursday. biden wins every time. now, it is tonight. brazil, for the first time, >> yeah. i mean, the criticism that overtakes the u.s. for the most donald trump amplified yesterday deaths in the last 24 hours.

800. seemed to be that it didn't look just over 600 in the u.s. the crisis here is escalating. cool on joe biden. is that really where we are, that it doesn't look good to wear a mask? in the densely packed homes of is it about vanity? brazil's slums, coronavirus is donald trump obviously has told many people that he thinks it is a sign of weakness. killing thousands. brazil's health system close to he thinks it projects -- the mask projects to the country collapse. next to a soccer stadium, a that there's some panic, there's some concern. field hospital that opened just guess what? two weeks ago, already more than there is. there is concern among most 50 have died here. americans about this, and they want to do everything they can. we talked about that fox news this is one of seven field hospitals going up in rio alone. poll last week that showed only the problem is, they just can't 8% of americans say they never wear a mask. build them fast enough. president trump is casting his brazil has almost 20,000 new lot with the 8% because, as he cases every day. amplified in that tweet ambulances can't cope. yesterday, it might not look doctors have only one word for cool to have a mask on in the it. >> it's crazy. middle of a pandemic. let's get more on this from nbc it's crazy. >> reporter: millions live in news correspondent hans nichols. this poverty. no lockdown here, but death he's live for us at the white house. hans, was there any everywhere. consideration of bringing a mask mexico is in crisis, too. along? he did wear one briefly in its rate of testing seven worse. private at that ford plant in no one here knows what the true michigan last week. infection rate is. what about yesterday? >> reporter: potentially. latin america's epidemic could we don't have a great deal of

spark a later second wave in the visibility on what's happening behind the scenes, when the president knows the cameras u.s. another danger, a second peak, aren't clicking. where lockdown measures are that's especially important in the context of mask wearing. loosened too soon. for the president, he's hinted at this and outright said it, it >> the disease can jump up at is almost a game to him. any time. we may get a second peak in this he doesn't want to give the wave. press the satisfaction of >> reporter: global hot spots are moving. snapping him in a photo with the mask. he said as much when he talked italy is now recording its to the cameras last week, when fewest cases since early march. he was touring the auto factory, greece is reopening bars and that plant out there in michigan, i believe. restaurants. so, clearly, you guys have spain ending quarantine for covered it pretty well, the foreigners. much of europe is reopening. president doesn't like the symbolism. he's made his decision on where he is on the symbolism side. britain, its worst infected country, is an outlier. joe biden made his decision on where he is on the public health 14-day quarantine soon for all side. at a certain point, namely on the first tuesday in november, visitors. back in brazil, its president is the voters are going to decide. but the president and the officials around him do not unrepentant, joining anticipate any changing of what anti-lockdown protesters, they're calling the presidential ignoring social distancing, calling for freedom. protocol on mask wearing, which it's a policy his critics here doesn't seem to be very much in line with what public health say has cost thousands of lives. officials are saying. guys? >> thank you so much. >> his own public health now, i should also point out

officials, the doctors around him. hans nichols at the white house, that bolsonaro was heckled over thanks so much. the president wants to turn the corner on this entire pandemic, the weekend and called a killer. he's made no comments on the and he believes, symbolically, travel ban. not wearing the mask shows we some breaking news on the crisis have turned the corner, despite here. as you know, bolsonaro and the the data. >> the thing is, we're hopefully two dozen or so governors here do not get on. going to be turning the first their relationship is bad corner. but every doctor that is inside because bolsonaro is a covid the white house that's advising him is letting him know that as people go back out, the rate of defier, if you like. two miles from here, federal infections will go back up. if we want to keep businesses police are raiding the mansion and the private apartment of the open, once they start opening up, and they need to open up, but if we want to keep them rio de janeiro governor. open, people need to listen to it is all about this crcrisis. we think it is the issue of the trump white house guidelines. donald trump doesn't listen every day. they need to listen to dr. birx, buying ventilators at the beginning of the crisis. dr. fauci. there are 12 teams there. they need to wear masks. there are also raids in sao they need to socially distance. paulo, where i spoke to the they need to be safe. governor who told me there are willie, again, donald trump, two viruses in brazil. this is -- you can draw a one is the coronavirus, and the straight line from donald trump

saying on january the 22nd that other is the bolsonaro virus. this is one person coming in it is not just a health crisis from china and soon it is going to go away, all the way through his magical thinking on but political, as well. police at the governor's mansion hydroxychloroquine, something we right now. >> national leader denying the found out now, studies say, severity of this crisis. causes serious heart issues in bill neely in rio de janeiro, brazil, thank you very much. mika? >> willie, let me jump in people that take it, all the way through injecting bleach into quickly here. human beings' bodies to get rid isn't it unfortunate, tragic, of the virus, all the way to not that you have two leaders who have been denying the severity wearing a mask. as we project forward, willie, of this crisis. donald trump in january saying all the way to saying that this it was one person coming in from is not going to come back in the china. two days later, praising the fall. president of china, president again, every time he does something like that, donald xi, for his transparency, saying the american people thanked him. trump makes it tougher for small the end of february, saying it business owners who want to was 15 people and going down to reopen and stay open. zero in march. saying he wasn't worried about it at all. makes their job tougher. you have that sort of denial makes the likelihood of future coming from the united states infections higher. makes the likelihood of future repeatedly. the president denying in april economic damage to our economy it was going to come back in the more certain. fall, when his doctors say it'll come back in the fall. just because -- i don't know, the president, of course, again,

willie, what? he thinks he looks like a dork not wearing a mask when his own when he wears a mask? is that what this comes down to? white house officials were >> i think it's the makeup. >> i honestly think that's part saying, "please wear a mask." of it. that's why he says, "i don't his surgeon general saying, want to wear it. "please wear a mask." i don't want to give you and the his administration talking about how important it is. press the satisfaction of getting a bad picture of me." he said so many things that are we don't think it is a bad reckless, so many things that are false since the beginning of picture. it is a good picture, that the this crisis. president is setting the it is interesting, the leader of example. mika, we've said this a million brazil's tweets. times and sound like a broken >> tweeted about record, but wearing the masks in hydroxychloroquine, saying it is public achieves the ends we all working. >> those tweets, willie, got want, including what the president wants, which is, taken down. making it safer to go out in >> yeah. >> it is interesting. public. >> twitter did that. >> it is interesting, though, making it safer for people to open their businesses. making it safer for the economy willie, that these two leaders, who have been deaniers from the to recover which, by the way, is in president trump's political interest, as well. beginning, donald trump saying the press coverage of it was >> and if you look at flu hoax, meant to take him down. studies, the likelihood is that people on cable news into march it lessens the probability of you spreading the disease to saying that it was a hoax. the media's coverage of it wuss somebody else. >> right. >> by at least 80%. a hoax to try to destroy donald >> we want to see him wearing that mask. >> yeah.

so he needs to wear that mask to trump. now, guess what? protect seniors. the united states leads the remember, he was around world war ii vets and refused to wear world in infections and deaths. the mask. brazil is second. he was, yesterday, at a >> great. >> yeah. i mean, we're going to hit 1 ceremony. he and mike pence, of course. 100,000 deaths maybe today. come on, mike, you know better than this. i mean, i know you grabbed the the proof is in the numbers, in water bottle when he grabs the the way we've handled this and water bottle, puts it on the how brazil handled it. floor when he puts it on the katty kay, you can point to the floor but, mike, you know better than this. you know better than to risk uk, as well, as bill me lneely people's health and their public safety. you know better than this. pointed out. we remember boris johnson was what are you doing? shaking hands with hospital what are you doing at a public patients as a show of strength, thinking it can't touch me. of course, he contracted ceremony? coronavirus and changed his anyway, it's clear cut. tune. where is great britain right now? again, it's, once again, a bill said it is the hardest hit of the european nations and president acting reckless and still very much grappling with irresponsible in a pandemic this, as the rest of europe begins to move on. that's killed nearly 100,000 >> yeah. americans. i mean, it is interesting. a pandemic that he said was magically going to go away in april. you have a stage where everyone that was only one person coming is thinking about -- there's some holidays in europe. it is a big deal to fly to

in in january, and into february beaches. you have a club of countries opening up with an air bridge said it was only 15 people between them. they're countries like cypress, coming in. soon, it'd be down to zero. in march, he told republican malta, bulgaria, greece. senators, "don't worry about they're not countries like this. it's all under control. don't panic." france, the uk, which are seen he also said in march, "i'm not as the leading forces and the concerned about this at all." big economies. then he started sending advisers those countries were so much out, basically saying, "well, harder hit, that the smaller yeah, some seniors may die." countries that did relatively better, seemed to have managed donald trump himself said, to enact early on shutdown "people may die. people are going to die." measures and kept them pretty tight, they're coming out of this now. they're saying, we don't want this recklessness, this irresponsibility. we're at 100,000 deaths almost. the countries with the pig numb -- big numbers and cases, who have been lax about it. as one expert after another friends in the uk were says, we're kind of -- we're in suggesting that the feeling is kind of, the peak is over and we the second inning, the third can open up. everyone is assuming that inning. universities and schools go back we still have a long way to go. >> long way. in the fall. >> we need the white house, we it was kind of striking to hear need the president to be how they -- how even though, responsible and follow his own clearly, there are still risks, people's attitude is, "well, doctors' health suggestions. >> funny you should bring that we've had two months. up. president trump is threatening the weather is great. it is time to get outside to pull the republican national again."

convention from charlotte, north that has to be what policymakers worry about. in a way, as individuals, this carolina, because of the state's is much harder. reopening strategy. i don't know about you, but i'm trump tweeted yesterday that democratic governor roy cooper, more stressed dealing with this now than i was a couple months quote, is still in shutdown mood ago. i have to make the choices for my family. and unable to guarantee that, by i have to keep constantly weighing the risk. august, we will be allowed full is it okay for my 14-year-old to attendance in the arena. have a play date or a sleepover? in a way, when it was lockdown, so the president wants a full i could say, "no, you can't go arena in august? out." now, every day, it feels we're trump added that if the governor did not provide an answer, calibrating the risk of quote, immediately, he would be ourselves and those around us, reluctantly forced to find the other people we're going to see. i think it is really tough and another republican national stressful. this is when we need the clear convention site. vice president mike pence had guidance. >> you're exactly right. something similar to say to fox it was easier when families news. >> having a sense now is decided we're going to lockdown. absolutely essential because of my children asked if they could the immense preparations that go out and have play dates with are involved. we look forward to working with friends, whether they could spend the night with friends. governor cooper, getting a swift now, a couple months into it, response, and if needs be, if needs be, moving the national convention to a state that is those questions start to come up farther along on reopening and again, and it requires you to call other families, to see if

can say with confidence that we they're being careful. if they've been careful. can fwagather there. >> sam stein, i have three words that's also, for a small business, i mean, i know a lot for you. of small business owners who are republicans, conservatives, who want to reopen their businesses, dor r doral, doral, doral. but they don't want somebody to >> and bedbugs. >> just saying that makes me get -- as i said before, one of start itching. trump denied it. my friends told the governor, "hey, listen, yes, i want to but when he talks about -- it's reopen my restaurant, but you funny. the standard for north carolina opened up too early." is, the whole arena has to be jam packed in august. this was a couple weeks ago. nobody is going to prove that by august. then you start reading the stories behind the scenes, and "he say he said, "someone is going to it is a, quote, hotel ballroom miami and dies, he's not coming to my restaurant in the that they're discussing. panhandle." we have to be careful and trump has been pushing for sensible and follow white house guidelines that donald trump, right now, is not following. john heilemann, yes, i know, i florida. so i wonder where this is going to go. >> it does line up pretty repeat time and time again your nicely. story about how the obama i thought mike pence's comments were bizarre. campaign, your article, how the who can say with any confidence whatsoever that you can have a obama campaign basically had full arena, 50,000 or 20,000 mitt romney defined in such a people in a fuel arena in

august? there is no way to possibly know way in may of 2012 that the where we'll be with the pandemic. no one can give them the election was all but over by the assurances. fall. they're laying the groundwork that seems to be the case more probably to move this thing. i thought of doral often than not these days. we're about to get through the instantaneously when he put the month of may. about to get through the month tweets up. then he denied it, though no one of may. mentioned it specifically. of course i wouldn't do doral, get into summertime. the ballroom is too small, as if donald trump is still struggling. how does that set up over the that was the problem, and not summer? how does that set up going into trying to profit from the the fall where most of donald presidency. but this thing is in the works. trump's own advisers are saying, we have reporting that trump is, you know, dead set on having a "we're going to see this jam-packed convention, a pandemic come back in september traditiona aal event we can poi to and say, we have support for and october and november"? our election. >> joe, this point we made over sleepily joe biden. and over again here, if you look it's the same with the masks, at races where uncoupincumbentsn it's symbolism opposed to public health policy. we need to step back and recognize how bizarre it is, the ballot, what did the clinton that the president of the united campaign do in '96? states is openly defying the disqualified dole. mask policy his administration what did the bush campaign do in set and the reopening policy he, 2004 that defined john kerry? himself, has set.

which is, this should be the purview of the governors and disqualified him. you come to this spring, and local officials. this is the period when the he's now saying, no, in fact, if trump campaign wanted to be the governor of north carolina defining joe biden and doesn't give me what i want, i'm going to uproot all this business that my convention was disqualifying him. going to put in this swing instead, because of the pandemic state. i'm going to offend all these and the mistakes the president made, both on substance and the small businesses involved in the politics, the president has convention in the swing state and move it to another state. succeeded, in some sense, if not i don't see how it is a savvy political strategy. totally disqualifying himself, also, it is a bizarre thing, to watch the president openly defy he's hung political baggage around his own neck this spring, his own administration's health policies when it comes to this that the biden campaign has pandemic. >> well, again, the standards, smartly taken advantage of some of that. you heard people criticize biden all spring. filling full arenas. he is in his basement. he's not getting out. >> it's crazy. >> you know what? i'd love to be at fenway in donald trump has the airwaves. if you look where the polling august with a packed stadium was in late february, early watching the red sox play march, and where it is now, with baseball. i don't think that's going to june in sight, joe biden is in a happen, especially with september right around the corner. i mean, again, packing entire much better place now than thee, four months ago. stadiums, not going to work. with all due respect to the biden campaign, most has been katty kay, here, donald trump, self-inflicted damage on the president's part. again, can't help himself in how does the president dig out of a situation? i'm talking about six states -- attacking an important swing i'll say it again -- wisconsin,

state. he's scared the hell out of seniors in florida. michigan, washington, arizona, florida, and north carolina. he seems to attack michigan those are states trump won in 20 of 16. those are the six states he won every chance he gets, attacking by the marrnarrowest margins. a very popular dpgovernor there. then, of course, saying he's going to strip them of money for that's where poet campaiboth ca doing what so many other republican governors are doing. spending air time. oh, and absentee ballot does it guarantee joe biden will win the election? it does not. but it puts donald trump, when applications. now, north carolina, another he is fighting over six states swing state that barack obama that he won in 2016, he's on the won in 2008, now he's attacking air, airing defensive ads in the north carolina. six states. he is not looking to expand the again, it doesn't make sense. very little of what this map. he is not add vvertising in new president has done over the past three, four months has made hampshire, minnesota, new mexico, nevada, all states they sense for anyone who wants to said that i had go after in 2020. none of the states are seeing get re-elected. donald trump on the air, trying >> with donald trump, to gain states that he narrowly relationships seem to get very personal, very fast. lost in 2016. the field of battle right now that's happened in the pandemic favors joe biden to an extraordinary degree. with the governors. he's tweeted how he's made the as we go forward, we now have

governors look good, even at the questions about the convention. what is going to happen expense of himself. as if this was a favor or between -- i have a good idea of what the democrats are going to do. donald trump seems to be headed critique of himself. toward making a giant why have i made them look so controversy and a mess out of the republican convention. good? now, taking on north carolina, quickly, we'll be in the fall, as well, like you say, a swing and i'll just say, you know, state. when trump was talking about it and tweeting about it, it was donald trump pulled the inside straight in 2016. almost like he was punishing the he could do it again. state. it was interesting, listening to but he is not right now where he the difference in language between trump and pence. wanted to be on the day after the president talked about this memorial day weekend. like it was a punishment, if you >> no. don't do what i want, i'll take and you look also, we talk about the six swing states, again, this away from do yyou because people inside the white house you're not doing the right thing. pence modified it, saying, well, increasingly concerned that they're not ready yet. we need to go to a state that is michigan is slippi inping away. further along in the opening up pennsylvania is slipping away. process, as if he was trying to donald trump also, if things do a favor to north carolina, continue to go as they've been and not hoist all these masses going the past several months, he has to worry about his rear flank, as well. of people for the convention. he has to worry about georgia, you felt like pence was trying where a poll showed him tied. to do a clean-up job on the president coming out with a bizarre tweet. there is a contractual texas, where a dallas morning in north carolina decide it is not a good news poll showed him tied with idea to have thousands of people bide p ean earlier this month.

crammed into a stadium in august, which seems bizarre at he has to fworry about iowa. the moment, that it could be a people said in the trump good idea, they'll probably let the rnc and president out of the campaign that is money in the contractual obligation. bank. hey, why not? they're not feeling that right head down to florida, to doral. now. yes, right now, the day after >> one other thing, guys, is memorial day, the map is republican officials said, "we don't even start building out expanding. it is expanding in joe biden's the convention site until late july, a month ahead of august." favor. obviously, we'll see how things are looking the day after labor the point was, we still have two months to decide, effectively, day. >> john heilemann, thank you very much. where to have this convention. coming up, as the u.s. works if it is safe to have the to revive the economy, one convention, governor cooper is a democrat, as is the case in most industry wie'll need to watch states, and he is more popular than president trump because of carely is health care. his handling of the coronavirus our next guest, a physician and pandemic. just last week, they had an scientist who lectures at harvard medical school, says she outbreak in a county near has a plan to fix the crisis in charlotte, the site of the that sector. she tells us what that is next convention. they have all these things to on "morning joe." consider. when you think of three months' i just love hitting the open road and telling people time, three months ago was late february. we had no idea where this was going to end up. now, it is almost 100,000 deaths. no way to know three months from now where exactly we're going to be. the president is trying to stir this up before even republicans

say it is even necessary to start thinking about moving it. >> you know, we have been talking, willie, over the past couple days, on sunday's show, yesterday, we've been talking, as have most white house reporters, talking about the president's just bizarre tweets over the past weekend. obviously, he's been doing that for over three years. they have gotten worse. there have been some involving a woman who worked in my office back in -- 19 years ago. the "new york times," cara swisher, this morning, has just that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, posted an op-ed in the "new york so you only pay for what you need! times" about what twitter should do. [squawks] a lot of people calling for only pay for what you need. donald trump to be taken off the ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ site. at least the tweets being taken

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as her husband, i feel that one of my marital only dpags oblig protect her memory, as i would have protected her in life. there has been a constant barrage of falsehoods, half truths, innuendo, and conspiracy theories since the day she died. i realize that may sound like an exaggeration. unfortunately, it is the verifiable truth. because of this, i have struggled to move forward with my life. the frequency, intensity, ugliness, and promulgation of the lies on the internet spreads. most recently, the president of the united states continues to i got this mountain bike for spread the vile and only $11. dealdash.com, the fair misinformation on your platform, disparaging the memory of my and honest bidding site. an ipad wife and our marriage. worth $505, was sold for less president trump on tuesday tweeted to his nearly 80 million than $24; a playstation 4 for less than $16; and a schultz 4k followers, eluding to the repeatedly debunked falsehood television for less than $2. i

won these bluetooth headphones that my wife was murdered by her for $20. i got these three boss, former u.s. representative suitcases for less than $40. and joe scarborough. the son of the president shipping is always free. go to followed, and more directly attacked my wife by tweeting to dealdash.com right now and see his followers, as the means of how much you can save. spreading this vicious lie. i'm sure you're aware of this situation because media around the world have covered it, but joining us now, practicing just in case, here it is. physician, scientist, and health care administrator, dr. vivian here, klausutis plays the tweets from president donald trump and le. one from his son, donald trump president at health platform pl jr. timothy goes on. senior lecturer at harvard my request is simple, please medical school. she's also the author of the new delete these tweets. i'm a research engineer and not book, "the long fix, solving a lawyer, but i've reviewed all america's health care crisis with strategies that work for twitter's rules and terms of everyone." service. it's very good to have you on the president's tweets that the show. thanks for being on. suggest that lori was murdered, a lot to want without evidence, and contrary to get to your plans and concepts to try to work through to the official autopsy, is a violation of twitter's community this. but just looking at the numbers here in terms of health care, rules s and terms of service. an ordinary user like me would losing 1.4 million workers in be banished from the platform

for such a tweet. april, the impact on the health but i'm only asking that these care sector and also what has tweets be removed. become of these people. i am now angry, as well as frustrated and grieved. >> such a great question and it's so great to be with you i understand that twitter's this morning. policies about content are thank you for having me. one of the things that the covid designed to maintain the crisis is really teaching us appearance that your hands are that we have to build a much clean. more robust and resilient health you provide the platform, and the rest is up to users. care system. the fact that our health care system right now is designed to however, in certain past cases, be fee for service means that we twitter has removed content and have invested in things that accounts that are inconsistent generate fees, like operating with your terms of service. rooms and imaging centers and i'm asking you to intervene in cancer centers. and as soon as we stop having this instance because the president of the united states has taken something that does not belong to him, the memory of the ability to jgenerate those fees like in a covid crisis, my dead wife, and perverted it we're laying off over 1.4 for perceived political gain. million doctors and nurses. i would also ask that you we have a critical shortage of consider lori's niece and two doctors and nurses because of our ageing population. nephews, who will eventually as we were just hearing about, come across this filth in the we're all concerned about all future. they've never met their aunt, the people who didn't receive and it pains me to think that they would ever have to learn care over these last few months about her in this way. who need care plus the concerns

about a resurgence of covid in my wife deserves better. the next few months, clearly we thank you for your need to think about how could we consideration. i look forward to hearing from build a more resilient system. you soon. one of the things that i write about in this book "the long sincerely, timothy j.klausutis, fix" is about how we can do that, how we can change the way in which we pay our hospitals, phd. willie? >> willie, the line here, and , pay our physicians so that we can create a system that's not only more resilient but also more ready in the face of these phd. willie? >> willie, the line here, and, you know, i know all too well kinds of crises. >> dr. lee, it's willie geist, how much t.j. has suffered, and good to have you on this morning. you do look at the big picture how much -- he's told me his of our health care system very family has suffered. well. you do it in our book and part of your profession. what would you say we're b but, you know, he says, in the certainly not an afteraction letter, that the president has taken something that doesn't belong to him. report time yet, what would you the memory of his dead wife and say we need to be prepared for for the next time this kind of thing comes up, if god forbid it perverted it for perceived political gain. you know, that's something that does, how can we do better than he has had to deal with for 19 we've done this time? years, whether it was, you know, >> well, you know, there are already plans that have been put from the far left of the into place. this is not the first pandemic internet, or from catherine

or epidemic that our country has harris several years later on faced. the internet, or from a far-left we know that under president bush, for example, who was very website on the internet, or from concerned about a repeat of the the president of the united 1918 influenza epidemic and set states. you know, every time they spread into motion a whole planning process, we know the obama administration had to deal with these lies, they're hurting the ebola and zika, dusted off some old plans, also started to put family. there are parallels that kara those into place. swisher talks about, with sandy those plans talk about ppe. hook, the sandy hook truthers. they talk about social distancing. it's not like these ideas are necessarily new. we just didn't have the and with the seth rich political will to follow them conspiracy theory. through and to fund them. so we absolutely need to invest except, as kara writes, this is perhaps even worse because the in public health and prevention. we also need to completely lies, the conspiracy theories, rethink how we're paying for the hate speech is being spread health care. this fee for service model means by the president of the united that hospitals and doctors are living hand to mouth. states. >> yeah. it used to come from these dark we're only investing in things corners of the internet, as you that generate fees and not said. this is coming from the president of the united states. things that can actually help how sad and how sick and how prevent pandemics and help us sorry i am that t.j. had to sit

really respond. down and compose that letter, you know, there are some really about a wife he lost in her 20s, fantastic examples of where we are doing it right. 19 years ago, that this all had so, in medicare, there's a program called medicare to come back up. you know, the president showing advantage, about a third of all no humanity whatsoever. if you want to come after us and seniors are in medicare our show, like you have been for advantage. and many of the clinics that i four years, that's fine. we can take that. where about actually in the we ignore it. we get on with our lives. book, many of these groups now but you're talking about someone who still grapples every day are paid in a completely about the passing of his wife, different way. they get paid a fixed amount of the untimely death of his wife. money every year to care for you know what happens in these people and they can take those cases, as kara writes in her column with sandy hook and dollars now with the security of others, is people take these knowing they have them up front cues from the president of the and invest in much better care. united states. they take cues from media they actually invest in on site figures. they act on them. pharmacies and shuttles for sandy hook parents have been their patients to come in, be harassed now for eight years, as brought into clinic and back. they actually during this covid they've had to move, many of crisis because they weren't them, go into hiding, because worried about furloughing their employees like most hospitals they're harassed by conspiracy theorists. they actually set upp urgent cae the idea that t.j. now has to deal with this again, sit down and write this letter, is truly in their clinics. they can go to the clinic and be appalling. whatever humanity the president may have, i hope he would appeal cared for safely there. to it and listen to lori's and as a result, they're kept

healthy, they're kept out of the husband. >> well, and the family told the hospital and in the long run they actually save us money. "washington post," remember, the family told the "washington so i think there are many ways in which we can actually prepare post" that they were afraid to speak out on this because they ourselves. there just needs to be the will to get us there, the political will to get us there. didn't want to be attacked by the internet trolls that have >> the new book is "the long attacked and made the victims of fix" solving america's health sandy hook, the parents whose care crisis with strategies that work for everyone. harvard medical school's dr. first grade children were vivian lee, thank you very much. slaughtered at sandy hook, made and coming up, it was a tale them live through the hell that they're now living through, because of internet trolls, or of two very different styles of leadership. seth rich's parents, what they president trump and joe biden have had to endure. both made public appearances and what the klausutises, the this memorial day. one with a mask and one without. entire family had to endure for and gene robinson says the 19 years. president gave the pandemic an it is unspeakably cruel, whether indelible, visual image this weekend. trump declared it was essential it's the president or whether that americans be able to spend it's people following the sunday at church services. but he chose to head for the president. it is unspeakably cruel. links himself instead. "morning joe" will be right >> made worse by twitter. back. how about no >> these are not public figures,

nor have they ever been public figures. anyway, i'm sorry, willie. go ahead. >> kara swisher, who wrote this column, obviously, she's the prominent silicon valley journalist, she writes this, please delete those tweets, the widower begged to twitter's chief executive, jack dorsey. my wife deserves better. yes, twitter, lori klausutis deserves better, writes kara. two decades after she died in a no uh uh, no way tragic accident that's morphed into a continuing nightmare for her husband, timothy, the boo e come on, no no n-n-n-no-no boogeyman plunging him and his only discover has no annual fee on any card. family into the worst of memory holes is a conspiracy theory sprinting past every leak loving, twitchy finger, and in our softest, smoothest fabric. shameless tweeter, who also she's confident, protected, her strength respected. happens to be the president of the united states, donald j. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. donald trump. president trump on tuesday tweeted to his 80 million followers, alluding to the

repeatedly debunked falsehood that my wife was murdered by her boss, former u.s. represent joe scarborough. the president's son followed and tweeted to his followers, spreading this vicious lie, wrote mr. klausu itis in a lett written to jack dorsey. i'm having you to intervene because the president of the united states has taken something that does not belong to him. the memory of my dead wife, and perverted it for perceived political gain. again, reading from t.j.'s letter. kara goes on to write, mr mr. klausutis deserves an answer from mr. dorsey, who has the unenviable task of sorting out the unsortable, the ugly heart of twitter's most famous customer. executives have been trying to figure out what to do over the weekend. the company has, at this writing, been silent about this controversy involving mr. trump's appalling and rule-breaking twitter habit. this episode is not unlike other

infamous stories floating around social distanci social media, like the inhumane speculation of the death of a democratic national committee staffer seth rich, or the ocean of nasty misinformation about the murders of the children of sandy hook elementary, that got alex jones deservedly thrown off several platforms. kara goes on to write, but this mess is perhaps the high tide of that endless skew of toxic bile because it is being relentlessly amped up by the leader of the free world. the trump/scarborough duo means less. they are both famous and have to suffer. the real issue is the very serious collateral damage of this fight, which is the post more item libel of ms ms. klausutis. another solution being discussed inside twitter is to label the

tweets as false and link to myriad, high-quality information and reporting that refute the twe tweets' sinister insinuations. sources tell me, writes kara, is after hesitance in dealing with mr. trump's tweets, the company is working on a robust rubric over labeling and dealing with falsehoods. again, top company executives hope the placement of truth against lies will serve to cleanse the stain. i think this is both naive and will be ineffective. ♪ most people's experience tracks good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, may 26th. with that old axiom, a lie can along with joe, willie and me, travel halfway around the world while truth is getting its shoes we have washington anchor for bbc, world news america katty on. in the digital age, it'd be to the moon and back 347 times. kay. and politics editor for the daily beast, sam stine joins us i am in support of the this morning. suggestion mr. klausutis makes so, this was yesterday's memorial day split screen. in his letter, to remove the joe biden following the offending tweets. government's guidance on wearing perhaps a board to review tweets a mask in public -- could include mr. klausutis, who >> no, when you say -- you mean

the government, you mean donald might know more than most people trump's administration's guidance. about the price of this. >> correct. we put the pictures up. t.j. wrote, i have mourned my wife every day since her passing. i have tried to honor her memory there's joe biden, joe and jill and our marriage, with the kind of enduring dignity this would wearing masks as they recognize memorial day. first time they were out in a be nice to see more of from our long time. then president trump, no mask. leaders. there has been a barrage of falsehoods, half truths, awkwardly standing. innuendos, and conspiracy trump made two public appearances yesterday without theertitheer wearing a face mask. theories since the day she died. biden, who emerged from his home it is unfortunately the for the first time in two months verifiable truth. because of this, i have struggled to move forward with yesterday, wore one. my life. that from t.j.'s letter. the president participated in kara goes on to say, it is long the traditional wreath laying past time to let him do that. ceremony at arlington national cemetery. and then spoke at an event at most of all, to let lori baltimore's ft. mchenry. klausutis rest in peace. comparing the service of we'll be right back. america's fallen soldiers to those serving on the front lines some companies still have hr stuck between employees and their data. of the coronavirus pandemic. joe biden laid a wreath honoring fallen soldiers at a delaware war memorial and urged americans to, quote, never forget their

sacrifices. biden, his wife and the members of his security detail all wore entering data. changing data. more and more sensitive, personal data. face masks. the former vice president and and it doesn't just drag hr down. it drags the entire business down -- with inefficiency, errors and waste. his staff were also diligent when it came to social distancing. at one point an aide can be heard telling reporters to, it's ridiculous. quote, back up when they tried so ridiculous. to press in closer. with paycom, employees enter and manage their own data in a single, biden also caught the easy to use software. president's attention. trump retweeted a photo of biden visit paycom.com, and schedule your demo today. in this mask, posted by fox news's brit humm mocking the former vice president, this might explain why trump doesn't like to wear a mask in public. i don't get it, joe. it's a good example. >> willie, i think what this shows is why actually joe biden is doing so much better than donald trump among seniors, why joe biden is doing so much better than trump in critical

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voice solutions like remote call forwarding people and taken so much from and readable voicemail. the greatest generation. and safe, convenient installation. that is a split screen that joe when every connection counts, you can count on us. biden wins every time. get the connectivity your business needs. call today. >> yeah. i mean, the criticism that comcast business. donald trump amplified yesterday seemed to be that it didn't look cool on joe biden. is that really where we are that it doesn't look good to wear a mask? is it about vanity? donald trump obviously has told many people that he thinks it's a sign of weakness that he thinks it projects the mask projects to the country that there's some panic, there's some concern. well, guess what, there is. there is concern among thoes americans about this and they want to do everything they can. we talked about that fox news poll last week that showed only 8%, single digits, 8% of mesh americans never wear a mask. president trump is casting his lot with the 8% because as he amplified in the tweet yesterday it might not look cool to have a mask on the middle of a pandemic. let's get more on this from nbc

news correspondent hans nickels live for us at the white house. hans, was there any consideration of bringing a mask along? he did wear one briefly in private at that ford plant in michigan last week. what about yesterday? >> reporter: potentially. we don't have a great deal of visibility on what's happening behind the scenes when the president knows that cameras aren't clicking. and that's especially important in the context of mask wearing. because for the president he hinted at this, out right said it, it's a game to him. he doesn't want to give the press the satisfaction of snapping him in a photo with the mask. he said as much when he talked to the cameras couple days ago, last week, when he was touring that auto factory, the plant in michigan, i believe. so clearly you guys have covered it pretty well. the president doesn't like the symbolism. he's made his decision on where he is on the symbolism side. joe biden made his decision on the memorial day weekend where he is on the public health side. brought out big crowds to at a certain point, namely on beaches and boardwalk ace cross the first tuesday in november, the voters are going to decide. but the president and the t officials around him do not

the country, as states take steps to reopening. anticipate any changing of what photos of crowds taken over the they're calling the presidential protocol on mask wearing, which weekend are prompting concerns about a resurgence of the virus. doesn't seem to be very much in line with what public health officials are saying. video of a jam-packed pool party guys? at lake of the ozarks in >> all right. missouri on saturday showed thank you so much. >> the doctors around him. hundreds of people blatantly hans nichols at the white house. ignoring signs to practice thank you so much. social distancing. it's prompted st. louis county >> the president wants to turn to issue a travel advisory and the corner on this entire pandemic and symbolically not the kansas city health director wearing the mask shows we have turned the corner despite the is calling for all attendees, data. >> well, the thing is we are all of these people, to self-quarantine. in point pleasant, new jersey, hopefully going to be turning the first corner, but every yesterday, a crowd of more than 200, many of them without masks, doctor that is inside the white took part in a rally to reopen house advising him is letting the state. governor phil murphy later people know the rate of addressed the issue, insisting infections will go back up as his focus is on public safety. people go back out. if we want to keep businesses >> willie, there's some of these open, once they start opening up, and they need to open up, shots that are obviously but if we want to keep them concerning. the one in the ozarks is open, then people need to listen concerning. i saw panama city beach, where to the trump white house it is taken from the air, and it guidelines that donald trump

looked like people were doesn't listen to everyone. distancing. they need to listen to dr. birx >> in clusters, yeah. >> also, people with the and dr. fauci and wear masks and socially distance. they need to be safe. but willie, again, donald telephoto lens from the angle, making it look like people are on top of each other. trump -- this is -- you can draw sometimes you can sort through it and see that they're clearly a straight line from donald trump saying on january 22nd social distancing. you look at the shot of panama that this is one person coming city beach, and it looks, again, in from china. in this places, like the soon it will go away. clusters of families there are all the way through his magical actually separated. thinking on hydroxychloroquine, they're outside. it's hot. it's muggy. something we found out studies it's far different than, say, say it causes serious heart issues in people that take it. what we saw in the ozarks. all the way through injecting the thing is, i do understand, bleach into human being's bodies to get rid of the virus, all the when you're younger -- there's way to not wearing a mask. the ozarks video. i do understand when you're and as we project forward, younger you don't think this willie, all the way to saying will have an impact on you. that this is not going to come if you look at the numbers, the back in the fall. numbers suggest percentages are fairly low. again, every time he does obviously, as donald trump's something like that, donald white house advisers and doctors have told americans repeatedly, trump makes it tougher for small business owners who want to young, even young americans who

carry this asymptomatically can reopen and stay open makes their job tougher. makes a likelihood of future spread it to seniors, spread it infections higher. makes a likelihood of future economic damage to our economy to people in their 50s, spread it to even younger people that more certain just because, i have underlying conditions. don't know, willie, what, we have seen quite a few stories because he thinks he looks like about people in their 30s, 40s, a dork when he wears a mask? 50s dying. is that what this comes down to? >> i think it's the makeup. >> i honestly think that's part so it is very dangerous and very of it. that's why he comes out and says i don't want to wear it because i don't want to give you and the reckless. again, we hope this reopening is press the satisfaction of getting a bad picture of me. done responsibly. we don't think it's a bad we hope people wear masks. picture. the country thinks it's a good we hope they socially distance. picture that its president is not just for the public health setting that example. safety, not just to protect our as you point out, mika, we sound like a broken record, but seniors, but also to protect wearing the masks in public small business owners, so they achieves the ends that we all want including that the can keep their businesses open president wants, which is making it safer to go out in public, into the summer and into the making it safer for people to open their businesses, making it fall. >> yeah. joe, they're pushing our buttons safer for the economy to recover here. which by the way is in president had the florida panhandle with trump's political interest as panama city. i grew up in jersey. well. >> and like -- if you look at

and lake of the ozarks, my dad flu studies, the likelihood is grew up there at the arrowhead lodge. those are our places. that it lessens the probability it is important. on one level, those are of you spreading the disease to disturbing scenes because of the somebody else. >> right. impact of those people going a >> by at least 80%. >> so we want to see him wearing back into their communities. hopefully those are isolated and that mask. >> yeah. so he needs to wear that mask to small groups. you look at the wide shot, again, of the rally in new protect seniors. jersey, it was a couple hundred remember he was around world war people in point pleasant. ii vets and refused to wear the i think the important thing is, you can't keep people inside mask? forever. it was the summer, memorial day he was yesterday at a ceremony. weekend. he and mike pence, of course, people are going outside. they'll live their lives. come on, mike. they've been cooped up in their you know better than this. homes for two months. i mean, i know you grab the how do we do that safely? water bottle when he grabs the the only answer right now really water bottle, puts on the floor is social distancing and those when he puts it on the floor. but, mike, you know better than masks. not to put this back on this. you know better than to risk president trump, but a lot of people follow his lead. people's health and their public if he wears that mask, i think it will send a signal to the safety. people we saw at the rally in you know better than this. what are you doing? what are you doing at a public new jersey or on the beaches or in those pools, to at least, if ceremony? you're going out, put on the but any way, it's clear cut. mask so make it safe for other people. and again, it's once again a joining us, clinical director of

infectious diseases at brigham president acting reckless and irresponsible in a pandemic that and women's hospital, dr. paul has killed nearly 100,000 sax. thank you for being with us. americans, a pandemic that he your impressions as a public health expert when you see a said was going to magically go pool party at the lake of the ozarks, or crowded beaches or away in april, that was only one boardwalks at coney island? person coming in in january and >> obviously, crowds like that are a big concern for us. into february said it was only 15 people coming in and soon it we particularly worry about crowds in the indoor settings. would be down to zero. in march he told republican senators don't worry about this. we encourage people to get oh, it's all under control. outside, but not in settings don't panic. like that. if you notice, there were he also said in march i'm not sections of the ozarks party concerned about this at all. and then he started sending that weren't outside at all with advisers out basically saying, people very, very close together. overall, the message should be well, yeah, you know. some seniors may die. is outdoor is safer than indoor. that would apply to most of the like donald trump himself said shots you just showed. people may die. people are going to die. >> dr. sax, as we look at the summer, as i mentioned, people and this recklessness, this are going to go outside. we're human beings. we've been indoors two months. irresponsibility when we're at people want to go to the beach, 100,000 deaths almost. to the boardwalks, to an outdoor and as one expert after another bar. if that is going to happen and states are going to slowly says, we're kind of -- we're in reopen, there will be conditions the second inning. we're in the third inning. on how the rest raaurants and b we still have a long way to go.

can reopen, how many people can we need the white house, we need be inside them, for example. what would be your the president to be responsible recommendation to someone who said, this summer, i'm going outside. and follow his own doctor's i'm taking my family outside. health suggestions. how should we proceed? >> funny you should bring that >> well, i think it should be in up because president trump is small groups. you know, certainly with your threatening to pull the family, it's safe. republican national convention from charlotte, north carolina, certainly, maybe with another, one or two other families, but not in large groups. because of the state's reopening what we clearly have learned strategy. trump tweeted yesterday that over the past several weeks is that this epidemic is stimulated democratic governor roy cooper, quote, is still in shutdown mood by what we call super spreader and unable to guarantee that by events. they typically occur indoors by august we will be allowed full an individual with tpresymptoma. attendance in the arena. so the president wants a full arena in august? trump added that if the governor especially in an area that's did not provide an answer, poorly ventilated. quote, immediately, he would be outdoor activities in general are safer, and encourage the reluctantly forced to find outdoor activities to be small another republican national convention site. scale. >> doctor, when you say that you vice president mike pence had could meet with two or three something similar to say to fox other families, that's clearly not what we were being told at news. the height of the lockdown. >> having a sense now is yet, we don't have medication absolutely essential because of for this, therapies for this, the immense preparations that

and we don't have a vaccine for are involved. and we look forward to working this. what's changed from two months with the governor cooper, ago to today, when you're saying getting a swift response and if it is safe to go and have a needs be, if needs be, moving picnic in the park with a couple the national convention to a of other families? >> well, it's about maintaining state that is farther along on some distance while you're reopening and can say with having these activities. confidence that we can gather i don't think we can go directly from being completely shutdown there. >> sam stine, i have three words to being completely wide open. there has to be sort of a graded for you -- doral, doral, doral increase in our activities. we have to move forward in a and of course bedbugs. just saying that makes me start post-covid environment. as a result, we now understand itching. much better how this is spread. trump denied it. >> denies everything. it is spread by close contact >> but when he talks about -- it's funny. the standard for north carolina with other individuals with the is the whole arena has to be jam infection. that doesn't typically occur in outdoor settings. packed in august. nobody is going to approve that if you can have an interaction by august. but then you start reading the with another family maintaining distance, that'd be a relatively stories behind the scenes and it safe activity. there is going to be no is a, quote, hotel ballroom that absolutes here. >> doctor, this is sam stein. they're discussing. i want to ask you a bit of a and trump has been pushing for devil's advocate question. we've all had these florida. conversations with friends, so, i wonder where this is going

relatives, or seen the to go. conversation happen. what do you say to people who >> it does line up pretty say, look, you take risks nicely. i thought mike pence's comments whenever you go outside. were bizarre. who can say with any confidence it can be from getting in an automobile. it can be from getting the whatsoever that you can have a full arena, 50,000 or 20,000 normal flu. you take risks when you stay people in a full arena in inside. you can see depression spike. august. you can see instances of suicide there's no way to possibly know spike. where we will be in the so we have to live our lives. pandemic. no one can give them that assurances. we should go about doing it. they're laying the ground work life is about risk taking. to move this thing. what do you say to the people thought of doral instantly when he put this tweet up and denied using that rationalization to go out to the boardwalk or to the it and no one mentioned doral beach or to the swim-up bar at the lake of ozarks? >> i would say that one should exclusively. of course i want to do doral. choose those activities with the ballroom is too small. care. as i've eluded to, outdoor this thing is in the works. we have reporting that trump is activities, such as going on a dead set on having the hike with your family, as i did with my family this past jam-packed convention, traditional uproarous event that weekend, or meeting another family and maintaining he can point to and say, look, i respectful social distancing have this enthusiasm for my with the family outdoors are election. both relatively safe. where is sleepy joe biden? i would not recommend people these are the things he cares return to crowded restaurants and bars right now. about. it's the same thing with the

that is clearly not safe and not mask, symbolism as opposed to what we're recommending at all. public health policy. when people do compare to other we need to step back and recognize how bizarre it is that risks, remember that this is the president of the united not -- these risks are not competing with each other. states is openly defying the they're all there. mask policy his owned a mip it's just something we, i think, strags and reopening policy he have to internalize himself set this should be the psychologically moving forward purview of the governors and local officials. he is now saying, no, in fact in a post-covid world. >> dr. sax, when you look at these scenes and you see governor of north carolina isn't hundreds of people clustered going to give me what i want, together in pools, how possible i'm going to uproot all this is it that the virus is being business that will put in the swing state, offend all the spread? >> it would be the really close small businesses involved in the convention and move it to another state. contacts. the way less than 6 feet kind of i don't see how that's a salvery contacts that were seen in the political strategy and bizarre pictures. and those in areas where the to watch the president openly ventilation is poor that we'd defy his own administration's worry the most about. remember, this virus doesn't policies. still ahead to keep the start to cause symptoms for store's and supermarket about, average, four to six days employees risk their lives daily after it's acquired. on the front lines of the pandemic. we'll talk about the hazards then people sometimes take a facing them and other essential workers across the country. while for the illness to ramp we'll be right back with more up. we won't know if events like "morning joe."

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sam stein, you have new reporting in the "daily beast" about joe biden's online campaign strategy. how is it working? you know, we have been is it reaching everybody? talking, willie, over the past >> so, you know, part of the reason i wanted to do this story couple of days on sunday's show, is that there's been a lot of yesterday, we have been talking criticism for joe biden and what he is doing online. as have most white house mostly from twitter pundits. reporters have been talking there is an actual strategy about the president's just behind what he is doing. to them, it is working. bizarre tweets over this past obviously, he is persistently in weekend and obviously he's been the lead in the polls in a way doing that for over three years, that's historically but they have gotten worse. advantageous. what they decided is, essentially, they're not going and there have been some to force it. they're not putting a square peg involving a woman who worked in through a round hole. they're not putting him in platforms that are out of touch my office back 19 years ago and and weird. they won't put him on tiktok, for instance. they're not going to have him do weird dances and stuff like that. they'll try to get him into "the new york times" kara swisher this morning has just platforms that accentuate his best qualities, which are posted an op-ed "the new york empathy and what they believe is times" about what twitter should a, you know, presence of a ch d do. a lot of people calling for donald trump to be taken off the

site or at least tweets being commander in chief. what has worked for them is, usually, we think of things like short videos that are homemade, taken down. car cara writes about that and also memes, things like that. has a letter from the husband of for them, and you've seen this online, too, what's worked are these extremely well-produced, lori, which mika, why don't you well-edited video clips, that read that now. >> it's a full letter that she attack trump's record or emphasize biden's. they're not, you know, 10 to 15 obtained from timothy. and the letter is to twitter ceo seconds. sometimes they're two-minute s jack dorsey. long. their second-best performing and it reads -- quote, mr. dorsy, nearly 19 years ago my video was a six-minute speech on the iran missile policy. wife who had an undiagnosed doesn't seem like it'd travel heart condition fell and hit her across the internet, but it has. head on her desk at work. she was found dead the next they discovered there is an appetite for this stuff. there is an appetite for things morning. her name is lori kaye klausutis. that accentuate good qualities. their best metrics have come when they're not anti-trump but she was 28 years old when she died. pro-biden with content. heifer passing is the single it is an interesting insight most passing thing i have ever had to deal with my 52 years and into a digital strategy that continues to haunt her parents doesn't really jive with conventional wisdom, but it is and sister. i have mourn midwife everyday working for joe biden at this since her passing. point in time. i have tried to honor her memory

and our marriage. >> sam, when the vice president as her husband, i feel that one and his wife went to the of my marital obligations is to delaware memorial bridge, it was protect her memory as i would have protected her in life. the first time he'd made a public appearance outside of the there has been a constant house in a couple months. barrage of falsehoods, half this is extraordinary, being in a presidential campaign. truths, innuendo and conspiracy are they planning for events down the road? theories since the day she died. we talked about the rnc convention. it is hard to know what's happening next week, and they're i realize that my sound like an talking about august. are they ready for the exaggeration, unfortunately it possibility they could conduct an entire presidential campaign is the verifiable truth. because of this, i have from the beginning of the year struggled to move forward with my life. effectively through to november the frequency, intensity, 3rd from his home in delaware? ugliness, and promulgation of these horrifying lies ever >> from my reporting, they're increases on the internet. basically thinking two to three weeks ahead, right? they want to make sure they're these conspiracy theer rowists not pushing anything with including most recently the respect to the public health guidelines. president of the united states they're having strategic with continue to spread their vile the platforms they engage with. i do know that when it comes to and misinformation on your convention planning, the platform disparaging the memory of my wife and our marriage. democrats are much more willing to scale this thing down. president trump on tuesday we were looking through campaign tweeted to his nearly 80 million filings. the rnc last month transferred

followers eluding to the something like $6 million to its repeatedly debunk falsehood that convention committee. my wife was murdered by her it is a transfer. democrats, by contrast, trans r boss, former u.s. representative transferred $630,000. joe scarborough. the son of the president there is real preparation under way to have a very, very, very followed and more directly attacked my wife by tweeting to scaled back convention. couple sources tell me that his followers as the means of they've already begun cancelling spreading this vicious lie. contracts for the democratic i'm sure you're aware of this convention in milwaukee. because there is an assumption situation because media around the world have covered it, but that even if they were to have a just in case, here it is, and conventi convention, it'd have to be with here t.j. klausutis pastes the the bare minimum bell gdelegatet tweets from president donald trump and one from his son would be virtual. to answer your question, they don't know what the future has donald trump jr. in store, but they're preparing timmy goes on, my request is for the possibility there's not a physical presence to the simple, please delete these campaign. tweets. obviously, they'll have to i'm a research engineer and not figure out some way to get him a lawyer, but i reviewed all out. to be honest, it's kind of twitter's rules and terms of worked so far, having him in the service. the president's tweets that suggest that lori was murdered basement, doing these live streams. the polls do not lie. without evidence and contrary to he is consistently ahead the official autopsy is a violation of twitter's community nationally and in lean states. rules in terms of service. they're comfortable holding that

line, so long as it is working. an ordinary user like me would be banished from the platform thanks, sam. for such a tweet. but i'm only asking that these ahead, new polling shows older tweets be removed. voters are beginning to turn on president trump. i am now angry as well as that could be a big problem for him come november. frustrated and grieved. that new reporting when "morning i understand that twitter's policies about content are joe" comes right back. designed to maintain the appearance that your hands are clean -- you provide the platform and the rest is up to users. however, in certain past cases, twitter has removed content and accounts that are inconsistent with your terms of service. i'm asking you to intervene in this instance because the president of the united states has taken something that does not belong to him -- the memory of my dead wife -- and perverted it for perceived political gain. i would also ask that you consider lori's niece and two nephews who will eventually come across this fillth in the future. they have never met their aunt and it pains me to think that

they would ever have to learn about her in this way. my wife deserves better. thank you for your consideration. i look forward to hearing from you soon. sincerely, timothy j.-klausutis, ph.d.. >> willie, the line here and, you know, i know all too well how much t.j. has suffered and tempur-pedic's mission is to give you truly transformative sleep. so, no more tossing and turning. how much he's told me his family because only tempur-pedic adapts has suffered. and responds to your body... ...so you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. but he -- you know, he says in during the tempur-pedic summer of sleep, the letter that the president all tempur-pedic mattresses are on sale! has taken something that doesn't when you have depression, summer of sleep, it can plunge you into deep, dark lows. belong to him. the memory of his dead wife and perverted it for perceived political gain. and, can leave you feeling extremely sad you know, that is something that he has had to deal with for 19 and disinterested. years whether it was, you know

overwhelmed by bipolar depression? from the far left of the internet or from katherine ask about vraylar. harris several years later on not all types of depression should be treated the same. the internet, but or from a far vraylar effectively helps relieve all symptoms left website on the internet or of bipolar depression... from the president of the united with just one pill, once a day. elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis states. have an increased risk of death or stroke. and every time they spread these call your doctor about unusual changes in behavior lies, they -- they're hurting or suicidal thoughts. the family and there are antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles or confusion, parallels that kara swisher which may mean a life-threatening reaction, talks about with sandy hook, the or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be permanent. sandy hook truthers and with the side effects may not appear for several weeks. metabolic changes may occur. seth rich conspiracy theory nausea, restlessness and movement dysfunction are common side effects. except as kara writes, this is when bipolar depression overwhelms, ask how vraylar can help. perhaps even worse because the lies, the conspiracy theories, the hate speech is being spread by the president of the united states. >> yeah. it used to come from these dark corners of the internet, as you said. this is coming from the

president of the united states. and how sad and sick and sorry i ♪ am that t.j. had to sit down and compose that letter about a wife he lost in her 20 ago, that this all had to come back up. and you know, the president showing no humanity whatsoever. if you want to come after us and our show like you have been for four years, that's fine. we can take that. we ignore it and get on with our lives. but you're talking about someone who still grapples everyday with the passing of his wife, with the untimely death of his wife. and you know what happens in these cases as kara writes in her column with sandy hook and others is people take these cues from the president of the united states. they take cues from media figures and they act on them. and sandy hook parents have been harassed now for eight years. they've been -- had to move many of them. they had to go into hiding because they're harassed by conspiracy theorists. so the idea that t.j. now has to deal with this and sit down and write this letter is truly

appalling. i hope the president will appeal to lori's husband. >> the family told "the washington post" that they were afraid to speak out on this because they didn't want to be attacked by the internet trolls that have attacked and made the this towering spirit victims of sandy hook the permeates every inch of the parents whose first grade hallowed soil beneath our feet. children were slaughtered at american forces did not waiver. sandy hook, made them live through the hell they're now they did not retreat. living through because of they stared down the invasion internet trolls or seth rich's parents, what they have had to endure. and the hell that they had to and what the klausutis, the endure. the fact is, they held like nobody could have held before. entire family had to endure for 19 years, it's unspeakably cruel they held this fort. for what -- whether it's the >> president trump yesterday in president or whether it's people baltimore. some folks in baltimore didn't following the president, it is want him to come, for fear that social distancing and all those unspeakably cruel. >> made worse by twitter. guidelines were not being followed. >> these are not public figures

but that was president trump honoring memorial day in nor have they ever been public baltimore yesterday. >> we'll be right back. is a time for action. figures. any way, i'm sorry, willie. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. go ahead. >> well, kara swisher who wrote because it's the right thing to do. this column, she's the prominent we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members silicon valley journalist. so they can take care of things like groceries she writes in her column, this, please delete these tweets in a before they worry about their insurance letter last week to jack dorsey, or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. twitter's ceo. my wife deserves better. yes, twitter, lori klausutis like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus does deserve better. discover all the ways we're helping members hey allergy muddlers... a tragic accident that morphed achoo! into a continuing nightmare, the ...do your sneezes turn heads? try zyrtec... boogieman plunging him and his ...it starts working hard at hour one... family into the late wife of and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. worst of memory holes a twitchy zyrtec muddle no more. finger and often shameless tweert who also happens to be stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. the president of the united and take. it. on... states, donald j. trump. she continues president trump on ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... tuesday tweeted to his 80 ...can dramatically improve symptoms... million followers alluding to

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n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card. this episode is not unlike other infamous stories floating around social media like the inhumane speculation about the death of the a democratic national committee staffer seth rich or the ocean of nasty misinformation about the murders welcome back to "morning of the children of sandy hook joe." children that got alex jones it is tuesday, may 26th. the bbc's katty kay is still deservedly thrown off several with us. platforms. she goes on to write, but this with joe, willie, and me. mess is perhaps the high tide of joining the conversation, we that endless spew of toxic vile have nbc national affairs because it is being relentlessly analyst, co-host of "the amped up by the leader of the circus," and editor in chief of free world. the "recount," john heilemann. >> out of the kitchen and into the trump scar bro duo matters the wild. >> into the countryside. >> i love it. less here. >> also with us, chief white they have to both famous and house correspondent for the "new york times," peter baker, who have to suffer the slings and joins us, of course, from his arrows of the trade. the real issue is the serious study. >> exactly. >> little different than the clot rale issue of the fight country. let's start this hour with the which is the post mortem libel "washington post" reporting, that older voters are upset with donald trump and they're poised to be potentially more of ms. klausutis. influential in november.

especially in swing states whose populations skew their way, like label the tweets as false and florida, pennsylvania, arizona, link to myriad high quality michigan, and wisconsin. information and reporting that refute the tweets sinister more than 20% of voters in inosine ewuations. florida in 2016 were over the sources tell me that after age of 65. initial hes tense in dealing trump carried the state by 17 with mr. trump's tweets, the points over hillary clinton. company has accelerated work on a more robust rubric around biden continues to carry seniors labeling and dealing with such nationally. a recent quinnipiac university falsehoods. poll has biden up 10 points again, top company executives hope that this placement of truth against lies will serve to among voters over 65. a fox news poll conducted in clens the stain i think this is april shows trump and biden in a both naive and will be ineffective. dead heat among florida's baby most people's experience tracks with that old axiom, a lie can boomers. trump's decline in support among travel halfway around the world florida's seniors comes as their while truth is still getting its shoes on. lives have been drastically in the digital age that would be impacted by the coronavirus. to the moon and back 347 times, of course, which is why i am actually threatened. supportive writes kara of the which has swept through nursing homes and retirement communities suggestion mr. klausutis makes across the country. according to an analysis by the in his letter to simply remove the offending tweets. "tampa bay times" in florida, more than 80% of the 2,000 perhaps such a bore to review

people killed by the virus have offending tweets could include been over 65 years old. mr. klausutis. trump's campaign has publicly t.j. wrote i have mourn midwife dismissed his troubles with some older voters, although, as the everyday since her passing. i tried to honor her memory and "washington post" reports, the our marriage he wrote to mr. president has begun to acknowledge that the health and dorsy with the enduring dignity economic crisis is having a would be nice to see more of bigger impact obscen seniors. from our leaders. there has been a constant barrage of falsehoods, half >> john heilemann, let's go trues and conspiracy theories through this. i do love your shot. since the day she died. i realize that may sound like an you are, as paul mccarney was exaggeration. unfortunately it is the verifiable truth because of this saying around the time he i have struggled to move forward released "man on the run," and with my life. that from t.j.'s letter. we were enamored by the song and kara goes on to say it is long story behind it, "country past time to let him do that and most of all to let lori dreamer." you and me, country dreamer. >> that's me. >> listen, ari melber, like, klausutis rest in peace. we'll be right back. be right ba. quotes hip hop lyrics. i quote paul mccartney. >> joe.

>> yes? >> if i was doing my version of "ram," this feels like the mccartney, like there should be a sheep or something back here that i could sheer in a sweater or something. feels like "ram" paul mccartney. >> '71 to '73 mccartney, exactly. >> yeah. >> let's talk, though, about the election, the way it's lined up. you have, obviously, michigan. a lot of trump political people inside the white house are close to -- i won't say kissing michigan good-bye, but their outlook is very grim on michigan. pennsylvania slipping away. you have the scranton wilkesbury area, usually skews for republican but it is skewing for among my patients i often see them have teeth biden. pennsylvania, suburbs of philly, sensitivity as well as gum issues. all of it looking very bad for does it worry me? absolutely. donald trump. so you go to the sun belt. new sensodyne sensitivity & gum you have to look at florida. gives us the dual action effect you've got to look at arizona. that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question

there, seniors are breaking away it's something that i would recommend. from donald trump because, as we've all said, this pandemic disproportionately kills senior laso you can enjoy it even ifst you're sensitive. se. yet some say it isn't real milk. i guess those cows must actually be big dogs. citizens. talk about what -- how that's going to shape this race through sit! the shape esummer and into the ? i said sit! >> i just said, joe, to start, and there are two pieces to this, right? there's the six core battleground states you started to go through. the three in the upper midwest, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. and the three that are in the south, north carolina, florida, and arizona. if you look tat polling in all of those six right now, joe biden is ahead in five of them. north carolina is the only one that biden is not. he's been at neck and neck with trump in north carolina, but he's not ahead there. it is his weakest of the core states. it's funny because i heard you talking in the last hour about the fight about the convention now in north carolina. it is like trump is behind in five out of the six core battleground states, and the one where he is a little ahead, he is picking a fight over the

convention and might push that into joe biden's column, too. on the senior citizen thing, it's the biggest demographic difference that we're seeing in this election cycle so far. ron brownstein, journalist and one who is attune to demography, calls this the biden inversion. unlike most democrats who traditionally do well with younger voters but struggle with older voters, relative to republicans, biden is doing well with older voters and beating donald trump in a way that, if the numbers hold, it makes it impossible for trump to win the election, if biden wins seniors by ten. on the other hand, biden is struggling a little with younger voters. it is a super interesting dynamic, and one with a lot of implications for the fall. >> peter baker, obviously, people around the president, inside the white house, would prefer he take a different tact. would have preferred he take a different tact throughout the

entire pandemic. has the president made any mention of the weakening in support among seniors? is there any plans for him to try to turn the corner on seniors? or is his singular focus now the stock market, the bottom line, pushing everybody back to work, regardless of the white house guidelines? >> yeah. there's been a lot of wore a mask in public? conversation about this trend >> well, the president did wear within the trump circle. no question about it. they're focused on it. a mask while he was less than they know seniors are a core part of their constituency. six feet where that was important over i think when he if he is going to win was traveling last week. re-election, as john said, he needs this demographic. i think he -- with him everyday certainly would be better than it is right now. and every moment, so i don't you'll see the president go know if he can maintain social distance. tomorrow to florida, the site of i've asked everybody independently to really make this concern that they have very sure that you're wearing a mask if you can't maintain the six acutely there. feet. i'm assuming that in majority of he is going there for the launch of the spacex rocket if the cases he's able to maintain that weather holds. first time america has been back six feet distance. in space, basically from its own

>> that is deborah birx doing oil, in ni oil, in nine years. i don't know how that translates to senior, but he's in florida the best she can trying to keep and will get coverage from media there. the president's ear on matters he's had events at the white house focused specifically on seniors in the last few weeks. that matter most to her and that is obviously saving lives and no question, that's a focus of stopping the spread of this theirs. i don't know how they can simply pandemic further. mika obviously it is a very get it back, given the dynamics difficult position that she is we're dealing with here. in. if there is an increase in the >> that the president has put her in. infection rate, if there is a joining us now pulitzer prize second wave in the fall, it's certainly going to hit seniors winning columnist and msnbc harder than most. what we've seen out of the nursing homes, these veterans political analyst eugene homes, have been devastating. robinson. also with us author and new york the question is whether or not times columnist david brooks. the cdc and the federal his book "the second government can target these mountain:quest for a moral life" homes in a more successful way is out today in paper back. than they have so far. >> david the timing is certainly right now, they've been killing good for americans who are people, and it has an impact on suffering through this pandemic the political race. >> john heilemann, my friend, in which ever way they are. first of all, proving again this morning you, sir, a master, room you talk about this spiritual renewal when you wrote this book and it came out. raider. the chirping birds, with the

25-foot fishing boat over your shoulder, it is exquisite. i read peggy noonan's column she >> you do what you have to do, talked about this pandemic though tragic has changed a lot willie. >> you're doing the job, and you of americans and she said we do it every morning, my friend. just may come out on the other let's talk about the senior side a more -- a more plainer voters, going back to the data points that mika read through. and better people. president trump, we've given him what are your thoughts as this credit in 2015 and '16 for having a sort of political gut book's released the middle of instinct about how to win. it is not an endorsement of the this pandemic as so many americans find themselves in way he's gone about hiss that valley between two mountains. >> yeah. the book is about going through businehis hard times and coming out better on the other side. and i think what you diskocovern business or the way he's won, but he understands things about people and voters. he seems to be so far off with seniors right now, when he is the valley you get broken and imploring the country to reopen, can get broken up or broken flaunting the rules on masks. open. those who are broken get hard when senior voters, who could make all the difference in a and they're unfeeling frankly state like florida, know from like our president. and those who are broken open firsthand experience, from people they know, perhaps their get softer and see deeper into own family, from their doctors at least, how serious this themselves. in moments of suffering, they interrupt your life and remind pandemic is. >> right. you you're not who you thought it is worse than that, willie. you were. it's like, you know, the carve through the floor of the president -- i mean, the same basement of your soul and real way that we've made the argument

a bunch of times, over and over depths you did not know you had. again on this show and other you find down there the ability places, that you can't manage to care for one another and lose the economics of the country the ego ideals you had. without first managing the a friend of mine said when her public health, if you put it in first daughter was born she the political realm, you can't realized she loved her more than evolution required. manage the politics of the i always loved that because it's election without first getting an idea that we have an ability to care for each other that's right the politics of the public just deeper. health. the public health thing is and just listening to mika read dominant, as substance and that letter today, i saw how politics. moved mika was and how moved i why are seniors right now think we all were. turning against donald trump? it's a fight for decency. partly, because they feel, as you've been saying, so and in hard times sometimes people get hard and brutal and vulnerable and so scared, that lose a sense of humanity. the pandemic is hitting them hardest. they look at trump's and other people it's magnified. incompeten incompetence. they look at trump's failure of leadership that has been made so aside from the top, america has manifest the last two months. been magnified in its humanity now, they've not turned against for each other. we're in the struggle between the basic forces of decency and him necessarily permanently, but they're less connected to him care and hat doctors red and than they have been in the past. callous indifference. in joe biden, they see a >> yeah. different democrat, than the >> absolutely. democrats they've voted for in the past. they see one of their own. >> gene robinson, i had brought up with john heilemann paul the place where the president's mccartney earlier and i remember

a quote paul mccartney said, instincts are most obscure, you somebody asked him once in look at what his campaign is rolling stone why he was such an doing to try to disqualify joe optimist mm i look around me biden. they are attacking him in the everyday, you know what, we got six battleground states i talked him outnumbered, talking about about, they're attacking him as optimists, people who think he is too old, he's lost it, positively, people who try to be he's hementally infirm, he's ov kind to other people. i always felt that as well and you look at this crisis, i know the hill, sleepily joe. they're attacking him for being i read these numbers all the time from polls, but only 8% of too old. where age is at the core of the americans say they don't want to wear a mask and they're not notion he is addled or mentally going to wear a mask. that means 9 out of 10 do. incompetent. it is the worst possible attack you can run against biden, if 75% want to protect their you're concerned at the way children. they know it's not time to send them back to school yet even seniors see the race. if you're going to attack him at though donald trump wants being mentally unfit, you have businesses to restart and for to do it with a scalpel. workers to be able to get back it can't be with a hammer and to work and have a place to tongs. that's all the trump people basically put their kids for know, how to beat things over eight hours a day. the head to death. that's alienating seniors as but i think the pandemic has much as the problems he's had in managing covid-19. shown that the americans, >> again, the problem is, every majority of americans have done an incredible job bending this time he does that, you can see a curve. >> you know, i think that's true, joe. clip of donald trump stumbling

and i really hope david is around and looking worse. right. >> yup. >> we bumped out with a memorial i hope that in the aggregate we day clip where he was having a are being broken open rather horrible time getting to the end of a single sentence. than broken and that we do as it is, again, and we've said this from the start, for every peggy wrote come out of this stumble that there is of joe better. you know, there are powerful biden on the public stage, there are five of trump. forces led by the president of that makes no more sense than the united states who are donald trump's campaign trying militating against that. to go after joe biden for being, and that's what's so quote, creepy, which they frustrating. because i think the basic actually had the audacity to do instincts of americans, certainly of the people i know, that, with the "access are to try to care for one hollywood" tape and everything else out that. another and try to do better or try to keep everyone healthy and katty, i want to follow up with, yes, seniors are darting away from donald trump because of the avoid spreading the disease and way he's handled this pandemic. do the right thing. yes, him saying, "people are but, there's this crazy powerful going to die if we reopen the country." the lieutenant governor of texas sort of trend in the other saying, "yeah, seniors may have direction that is being to die so the economy gets

better." something along those lines. amplified by the most powerful it's not just seniors he is man on the planet, and that insulting. look at the most recent poll is -- that's outrageous and it's about parents. whether they're ready to send kids back to school. horrible. 75% say, no, it's not time. i too was moved by the reading donald trump has been beating of that letter from mr. that drum for three week. we talk about the issue of masks. he's taken the most extreme of klausutis. it was just wrenching to see positions in public, and that's what he's being put through and a position that less than one in who is putting him through it is ten americans, according to a poll this week, support, which just -- that depresses me. is, not wearing masks. you could go down the list, one so i'm glad we have david on and can feel uplifted again because after another, and donald trump always -- this pandemic has been that is horrifying. on the side that the >> david, your thesis in "the overwhelming majority of americans are against. second mountain" we climb one it really is as if he is mountain in the earlier part of our life which is building a life and building a reputation and getting an education and completely lost his political getting a job and building a family and reaching all those pearings. >> one of the remarkable things status symbols that we think we need to achieve and then we with the pandemic is how smart people have been. realize there's another mountain to climb.

they've been given incredibly but to get there, you go into a mixed messages from the white house on the science and on what to do. yet, they, themselves, have been valley and you write in your book that the valley is the making of a lot of us and that really sensible. they have looked at the science. we find ourselves in that valley they've read the data. before we climb that second mountain. we are all reading the research so if we're in a valley right that is out there. they're drawing their own now with this pandemic and we most certainly are, what do you conclusions. their conclusions are, i have to think we learn in this valley so do what i have to do to keep sort of remakes our country? myself safe because i can't rely on leadership to do that. what ways does that manifest even on the thing of masks, one itself? >> yeah. when i talked to people about in ten don't think it is a good what was the make of your life, idea. the overwhelming number of americans are saying that they no one ever says, hey, i had a think that masks are a good great vacation in hawaii and that was the making of me. idea. there is a recent study saying it's always a dark moment a dark if 60% of americans, only 60%, moment of struggling. it's a moment when you find some wore masks continuously outside deeper value, some deeper thing for two weeks, we would kill the you really want to dedicate your virus. how could you possibly not want life through. and what i think this is that? i mean, if you're in a position teaching us is that we can trust each other. of leadership, and somebody we enter as a country that's offers you the golden ticket to been broken. stop this virus down in two every 60 years this country goes through a moment of deep crisis weeks, by getting everybody to wear masks, what would you do? where we really hate each other 1770s andrew jackson 1830, 1960, you'd g out wio out with a mask persuade the country that's what you want them to be doing. today. and to me what's fas vating is in the tussle between sanity and the intersection between an vanity, it looks like vanity is earthquake which is our national

winning at the white house at the moment, but it is not going crisis and the hurricane which is this pandemic. to help open the country up. that means this is a moment of the public has been so much smarter than the leadership has deep change, deep change. been, not just here but in other and i think what's going to happen is we're going to learn countries, too, but on issues of that we can trust each other. masks, hydroxychloroquine, on we enter a period where among issues of keeping themselves young people in particular, 65% socially distanced. say people are not trustworthy. yeah, there are the few pick you a are pictures of people cramming 73% say most people are selfish. into swimming pools. and i think what we're learning that's dumb. is that's not true. the vast majority of people are that people are showing up for doing what they need to to keep each other by wearing masks, by themselves safe. >> that's the bottom line, the people decide when all these starting food banks, i have a friend in san jose who has got businesses open up. they decide when schools open and everything else. 9,000 kids he's doing online peter baker, katty makes a point education for. we made in the last hour, which a lot of people are doing something extra to make this a better country. is, it is in the president's and from the ground up, we're showing, oh, yeah, other people interest, wearing a mask is a are good. other people are trustworthy. good idea. you can open businesses more and out of that social trust safely. once you build it which has been the economy springs back to life, something he was going to lean on in his re-election campaign, which vaporized in the declining for 60 years once you build it that's the lubricant middle of the pandemic, a strong economy. you with build a lot of stuff if he wants some semibleblance out of. next we'll build political that back by the time voters go

structures to guard us against to the polls on november 3rd, it the damages and dangers that is, again, not just a public happen in the world which we health intereinterest, but the sort of ignored. >> and gene robinson in building sees things, his self-interest, it'd be good for him, too. that social trust, learning to >> that's right. trust each other, seeing that we the economy isn't coming back unless people feel confident. can, what's the impact to the -- they have to feel confident the virus is beaten or under control to your piece's point when you in a way it doesn't look like it can't trust the president? is right now. number of states, you're seeing infections and cases going down, which is good news. >> the impact i think has to be particularly in the new york, new jersey, connecticut area that the president becomes less which has been hard hit. there's a lot of the country relevant and less relevant to where the infection rates are stable or going up. we have not seen this conquered how we conduct our lives. across the country. it is felt in this pandemic as as summer goes on and more if we haven't really had a businesses open up, the question president. is can they do it in a way that we had kind of, you know, a makes people confident? the confidence is key to everything. twitter troll heckler in chief trump is trying to show confidence by saying, "hey, we're talking about recovery, who has said not just outrageous not what's happened before. things but physically harmful we're ready to get going again." if he is not modeling the things, trying to get people to behavior you need to see out there, as katty just said, take hydroxychloroquine, a drug people aren't going to take it that causes heart problems and

as seriously. it is his voters who, right now, this and that. are on the edge of seeing this and you know, to some extent i -- in my experience i have run virus infect their communities more than they have in the past. into people who are just kind of our colleague did interesting tuning him out. numbers the other day, showing and who, you know, who turned trump counties from 2016 had only 27% of the coronavirus off the daily briefings before they -- before he ended them, cases and 21% of the coronavirus deaths. that means that, in fact, red who don't follow his every america hasn't felt this virus as strongly as blue america has. utterance and who necessarily that could be changing now, as the virus moves in a different because they're at home concentrate more on family and way. the question is whether or not the behavior the president isn't modeling can be used to stem the what they're doing in their virus in the very places he daily lives to get us past this. needs it most, to be under i think that's optimistic. control. but it's a sad thing that we >> pete r bakr baker, thank you much. have to sort of tune out our now, kara swisher has a new column for the "new york times" this morning, entitled "twitter leader in order to get through must cleanse the trump stain." this. in it, kara posts the full >> yeah. >> david, why don't we close letter that she obtained from with you and just ask, what is timothy cl it as people are watching this show, what is it that you would

timothy klausutis to twitter hope they would get out of this ceo. nearly 19 years ago, my wife who book? >> at this time. had an undiagnosed heart >> at this time, and as they condition, fell and hit her head on her desk at work. move forward through a summer she was found dead the next morning. that, you know, the path is not her name is lori kaye klausutis. actually clear and going into the fall which may actually be yet another mountain for all of she was 28 years old when she died. her passing is the single most us to climb. painful thing i have ever had to >> yeah. i would hope they get a moral deal with in my 52 years and vocabulary. it was about a time in my own continues to haunt her parents life that was tough and sort of and sister. who i went to to get some i've mourned my wife every day spiritual development and since her passing. spiritual sucker. i've tried to honor her memory i share the wisdom that was and our marriage. as her husband, i feel that one given to me, somebody once said writers are beggars who share of my marital obligations is to with others where they got protect her memory, as i would bread. and i got spiritual bread in a have protected her in life. hard time from a lot of wise there has been a constant people. and i think we're going through barrage of falsehoods, a time where we don't control our economic destinies right half-truths, innuendo, and now. and we don't even control our conspiracy theories since the day she died. physical destinies, but we control our response, our i realize that may sound like an spiritual responses. so i would hope that the exaggeration. unfortunately, it is the spiritual development is what we

put at the center of our lives verifiable truth. because of this, i have right now in our relational struggled to move forward with development and development with my life. our family and our friends and the frequency, intensity, everything -- when everything else is taken away, they can't take that away from you. ugliness, and promulgation of these horrifying lies so this is really a little guide to that kind of spiritual and ever-increases on the internet. these conspiracy theorists, including most recently the relational growth. >> the book is "the second president of the united states, mountain:a quest for a moral continue to spread their bile life" out today in paper back. david brooks, thank you very and misinformation on your much. platform, disparaging the memory eugene robinson, thank you as of my wife and our marriage. well. gene's new column in the president trump on tuesday washington post is entitled tweeted to his nearly 80 million "indelible image of this followers, alluding to the pandemic/trump without a mask on debunked falsehood that my wife a golf course". was murdered by her boss, former up next, we'll talk to the head of the country's largest u.s. representative joe scar r food and retail meat packing union about the large number of scarborou infections among grocery store scarborough. the son of the president followed and more directly attacked my wife by tweeting to and meat-packing workers. his followers, as the means of and what it means for the spreading this vicious lie. nation's food supply. keep it here on "morning joe." it's best we stay apart for a bit, i'm sure you're aware of this situation because media around the world have covered it, but just in case, here it is. here, he cuts and pastes the

tweets from president donald trump and also the one from his son, donald trump jr. timothy goes on. my request is simple. please delete these tweets. i'm a research engineer and not a lawyer, but reviewed all of twitter's rules and terms of service. the president's tweet that suggests that lori was murdered without evidence, and contrary to the official autopsy, is a violation of twitter's community rules and terms of service. an ordinary user like me would be banished from the platform for such a tweet. but i'm only asking that these but you're not alone. we're automatically refunding our customers tweets be removed. i am now angry, as well as a portion of their personal auto premiums. learn more at libertymutual.com/covid-19. frustrated and grieved. i understand that twitter's [ piano playing ] policies about content are designed to maintain the appearance that your hands are clean. you provide the platform, and the 2:20 back-to-back calls migraine medicine the rest is up to users. it's called ubrelvy however, in certain past cases, the migraine medicine for anytime, twitter has removed content and anywhere a migraine attacks without worrying

if it's too late or where you happen to be. accounts that are inconsistent with your terms of service. one dose of ubrelvy can quickly stop migraine pain i'm asking you to intervene in and debilitating symptoms in their tracks within two hours. this instance because the president of the united states has taken something that does unlike older medications, ubrelvy is the first pill not belong to him -- the memory of its kind to directly block cgrp protein believed of my dead wife -- and perverted it for perceived political gain. to play a role in migraine attacks. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. i would also ask that you consider lori's niece and two few people had side effects, nephews, who will eventually most common were nausea and tiredness. come across this filth in the a migraine can strike anytime, anywhere. future. they've never met their aunt, ask about ubrelvy, the anytime, and it pains me to think that they would ever have to learn anywhere migraine medicine. about her this way. ask about ubrelvy, the anytime, my wife deserves better. hey allergy muddlers... thank you for your achoo! consideration. ...do your sneezes turn heads? i look forward to hearing from try zyrtec... you soon. ...it starts working hard at hour one... sincerely, timothy j. klausutis. and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. >> willie, kara swisher in the zyrtec muddle no more. "new york times," of course, writes this column, talking can leave you holding your breath. about how twitter should take down these tweets. ♪ but she says, mr. klausutis

deserves an answer from but bristol myers squibb is working to change things. mr. dorsey, who has the unenviable task of sorting out by researching new kinds of medicines what is unsortable. which is, to say, the ugly heart that could help you live longer. of twitter's most famous including options that are chemo-free. because we're committed to bringing new hope customer. and then talks about how this into lung cancer care. episode over the weekend is having them look at the possible acceleration of rules regarding conspiracy theories. kara goes on and writes, this is not unlike other infamous stories floating around social media, like the inhumane speculation about the death of democratic national committee staffer seth rich. or the ocean of nasty misinformation about the children of sandy hook elementary, that got alex jones deservedly thrown off of several platforms. [music] kara ends with a t.j. quote, saying, i have struggled to move forward with my life because of

these ugly rumors. kara ends it by saying, it is [music] long past time to let him do that and, most of all, to let lori klausutis rest in peace. especially in times like these, >> yeah. strong public schools make a better california you know, twitter and politics and life, in many ways, is a for all of us. game for donald trump. he's trying to poke at political opponents. he's trying to poke at cable news hosts. but inevitably happens when he does that is other people are caught up in it. in this catse, we heard in an eloquent, completely reasonable plea that t.j. makes to jack, not to throw donald trump off of twitter, but to please take down these conspiracy theories that have been debunked for years and while u.s. meat processors years and years. put out there to 80 million have spent hundreds of millions people, suggesting that there of dollars on measures to protect their workers from was some grand scheme behind the getting sick, the industry has still experienced a surge in death of this young woman, who died tragically in 2001. cases. and now companies say they are what happens here, and t.j. would tell you privately, i'm limited in just how much they can do to keep workers separate sure, is that you get from one another. harassment, online and in "the washington post" reports

that the nation's meat supply person. as i said in our last hour, the remains deeply sprained and says sandy hook families, you can read articles about this wherever you want to, in the a report from cobank warns that "new york times," for example. they've had to move six and meat supplies in grocery stores seven times because conspiracy could slink as much as 35%. theorists put out the idea that prices could spike 25%, and the sandy hook never happened. impact could become even more so people who are troubled acute later this year as the people, they seize on this knock-on effects of the u.s. information and go to the homes of the sandy hook families. they call them. agriculture supply chain are they tweet at them. felt. they do all the things you can the paper continues, the do to harass people these days. prospect of long-term shortages so just for the president of the is giving rise to an united states, who is not some intensifying debate about online bot or online tropicll, whether the industry should reopen faster or whether safety should be prioritized, even at elevate a conspiracy theory. the cost of the nation's food leave us out of it. supply. who cares about a fight or according to the post analysis, over the past month, the number disagreement you may have with of infections tied to three of donald trump. the country's biggest meat have a shred of humanity in the moment. processors have gone from just forget us. forget joe. over 3,000 to more than 11,000. think about the husband of a man who lost his wife when she was meanwhile, the number of grocery only 28 years old. store worker deaths and you can see in that letter, the infections has doubled in the pain that is still there for past five weeks. him. there's been criticism of >> absolutely. kara breaks the news that

grocery chains for failing to twitter is now looking to make some sort of move, maybe properly report these numbers and for ending hazard pay for labeling tweets, which she points out, would be less than a millions of workers. half measure. america's largest food and not enough at all. retail union is now calling on just delete them. up next, officials warn the what many have dubbed hero pay u.s. to keep an eye on south to be reinstated which, for many america ahead of a likely second wave here in the u.s. grocery store employees is an extra $2 an hour. nbc's bill neely will join us joining us now, president of live from rio, as the trump administration imposes new united food and commercial restrictions on travel from workers international union, brazil. you're watching "morning joe." mark perone. we'll be right back. rakuten. thank you very much for joining us. >> mark, thank you so much. rakuten is easy to use, i've got a son who has diabetes free to sign up and it's in over 3,000 stores. who was working at publix and i buy a lot of makeup. early on in the pandemic, shampoo, conditioner. because he's a diabetic, they books, food. travel. actually suggested to him it shoes. stuff for my backyard. anything from clothes to electronics. might be safer if he went home. and they actually paid him for a workout gear. i even recently got cash back on domain hosting. you can buy tires. couple of weeks because of his to me, rakuten is a great way to get cash back condition. and i -- my experience with on anything you buy. rack it up with rakuten, them, our family's experience sign up today to get cash back on everything you buy. with publix has been fairly extraordinary. we've got other family members

who work for publix. but that's not the case across america and it's certainly not the case in a lot of these plants. what do grocery stores need to do? what do these meat processing plants need to do to protect workers first? >> well, first of all, they need to have ppe, personal protection equipment that will protect them both from transmitting the disease, as well as getting the disease themselves. now if the customers, or if some companies still have hr stuck between employeesentering data.a. people next to you don't wear a changing data. more and more sensitive, personal data. mask, you're going to have to and it doesn't just drag hr down. have an n95 mask or better in it drags the entire business down -- with inefficiency, errors and waste. order to make sure that you don't get the disease. now in some cases, that's very it's ridiculous. difficult. so ridiculous. we discussed that as it relates with paycom, employees enter and manage their own data in a single, to the packing houses, whether or not you can actually provide easy to use software. visit paycom.com, and schedule your demo today. protective equipment that is good enough at that level under those conditions to provide personal protection. i think you can.

to serve on the front lines... to fight an invisible enemy it, however, has to be at a with courage and compassion... different -- at a different rate and it's going to be more to comfort and to care, expensive. to hope, >> mark, it's willie geist. to press on, to do whatever it takes good to have you on this morning. can you speak to the meat to beat the odds. packing plants and what it is we are the men and women about those facilities that have of america's hospitals and health systems. caused them to be such incubators and hot beds for and we're here to care for you coronavirus? a lot of them are beginning to in every way every day. reopen, as you know, but along with long-term care facilities like nursing homes and prisons and my side super soft? yes, with the sleep number 360 smart bed, on sale now, as well, these meat packing plants have really had a you can both adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting. problem. are you convinced that they are safe, that they have resolved in can it help me fall asleep faster? yes, by gently warming your feet. some degree this problem, and that people can go back to work? but can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your >> well, willie, i think that movements and automatically adjusts to you really kind of talk about keep you both comfortable. the science of it, right? so, you can really promise better sleep? so the science of those packing not promise. prove. houses is that there is high don't miss the final days of the memorial day sale, volume air pressure in those save $1,000 on the sleep number 360 special units in order to refrigerate edition smart bed, now only $1,799. those processing areas of the ends sunday. plant. so -- and there's also a lot of

humidity. so the humidity keeps the virus and the particles in the air from actually evaporating very quickly. that's one thing. the other thing is the amount of air volume that flows around in those units is at very high pressure. and that pushes the virus around. so could you potentially, you know, increase the amount of filtration on the air units inside those facilities? yes, you can. i don't think they've gone that far yet, but they should. in addition to that, there should be masks that have the more infectious control disease-type mask that might have the filters that are behind the worker and they have a tube that runs from the mask behind the worker in order to protect them. but it's a much higher level of protection than just a -- >> excuse me for interrupting, mark. as you know, some of those - communities of color have always been closures have led to concerns

underrepresented in the u.s. census. about the availability of meat that means less federal funding in this country. for schools, hospitals, libraries, further concerns, you mentioned and other public services for diverse communities grocery stores about some of and less representation in congress. those shelves eventually being empty or there being sort of a this year, it's critical scramble to get food in this that you participate in the 2020 census. country. do you think those concerns are it's safe and confidential. overstated, or do you believe that's going to become a real let's make sure everyone is counted in our community. problem? >> i think there's going to be for more information, say "census 2020" limits of certain types or certain cuts of meat at into your x1 voice remote, different times. and to participate, go to census.gov. i don't necessarily think that we have a food shortage. but there could be some limitations depending on what that particular plant might produce, if, in fact, they have we cannot make assumptions, to close for 14 days to allow that just because the disease is for a quarantine period to take on the way down now, that it is place and to ensure that those going to keep going down and then we're going to get a number workers are healthy and safe. of months to get ready for a and there is no reason why we second wave. shouldn't be able to do that in right now, countries in europe, countries in north america, many this country. other countries around the >> the president of the united world, in southeast asia, have food and commercial workers international union, mark to continue to put in place the perone. thank you. public health and social that does it for us this measures, the surveillance morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the measures, the public health coverage after this short break. .

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