good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. here are the facts as we know them this hour. new york governor andrew cuomo announced 73 people died in his state in the last 24 hours. why was that notable? it's the lowest daily level announced in at least a month and a half. march 22nd, we believe is the last time it was that low. cuomo says he'll be going to the

white house tomorrow to meet with president trump to discuss public works projects and ways to jump-start the economy. translation -- infrastructure. the centers for disease control is warning of aggressive rodents amid the nationwide shutdown with restaurants shuttered. the cdc advises rats and mice are on the move looking for food elsewhere. if you read this article, they're turning on each other and literally cannibalizing the situation. car thefts have risen dramatically in america's largest cities. they're up 17% in los angeles. 63% in new york city. according to an analysis by the associated press. a lot of people not keeping an eye on their cars these days. officials in st. louis are calling for a travel advisory after photos showing people ignoring social distancing guidelines at missouri's lake of the ozarks went viral. the st. louis county health department is asking anyone who did not social distance over the weekend to quarantine for two weeks. joining me is my co-anchor for the next two hours, katy

tur. happy tuesday to you, katy. >> happy tuesday to you as well, chuck. let's take a look at the latest numbers. globally there are more than 5.5 million confirmed cases of covid-19. that is greater than the entire population of norway. nearly 347,000 people have died. here in the united states, there are more than 1.6 million confirmed cases, and we are rapidly approaching 100,000 lives lost in this country alone. for reference, according to the gifford center, about 36,000 americans die from gun violence every year. and, chuck, that number is likely a lot higher because of all the reporting problems and the discrepancies that have been out there. and those who also were not able to get a covid test. so it is -- i know we use the word grim milestone or phrase grim milestone a lot. it just seems like we continue to pass grim milestone after grim milestone as this pandemic

steals away the lifves of so may of our fellow americans. >> katy, each day that we publish, the political unit newsletter. deaths since the last time we published. usually it's 24 hours. it was friday to today in this case. the death toll increased by 3,400 over the memorial day weekend and you realize what that number signifies in this country which means we had a 9/11 over memorial day weekend. in deaths. we just had another 9/11 over the weekend. and it, again, i think the real -- look, this all comes around to something we know has been frustrating for a lot of people. we'd like to mourn as a nation and our leaders are not helping us do that. the president has not been somebody that wants to lead the nation in mourning, and that may be why people feel numb to all

of this. >> it's hard to keep up with, chuck. we're seeing these numbers. we saw "the new york times" front page the other day with just 1% of the deaths in this country. and it's hard to put our heads around all of that death. we are seeing images of these overloaded hospitals. we're not necessarily seeing the images of funerals because people can't go and mourn loved ones in public. and i think part of that means -- exactly. we can't collectively see the pain as a nation. it's making it harder to understand. on top of that, our leadership seeming to politicize a lot of that and those images over the weekend. i know everybody is dying to get back outside and to act like this is not a pandemic, but it is a pandemic. and that behavior only stands to make this a whole lot worse.

>> it does. i think we're all hopeful it won't have an impact, but i think we're all -- got white knuckles realizing it likely will. let us move forward here. president trump is defending his administration's handling of this pandemic as the u.s. approaches that grim milestone and the death toll tweeting, if i hadn't done by job well and early, we would have lost 1.5 to 2 million people as opposed to the 100,000-plus that looks like it will be the number. joining us now is hans nichols. this is the only time the president references the death toll in a way to try to say, oh, it is so much better than it would have been. it is the only time he references it. >> the president talks about the numbers changing a lot. we've heard him say the total would be around 60,000 and then revised it upwards.

white house officials are reluctant to get pinned down. when you ask what models they're following, yes, they like that model out of the university of washington. they extrapolate that out a little bit. that seems to be the model they're most comfortable with and the range of that is still 100,000 to 220,000. that was the initial one. they've tightened that up a little tighter. in general, though, when you talk to officials, they're very careful to hedge everything they say. you can look back at your notes and say, wait a second. i thought you said this. they always have caveats like maybe, perhaps, we'll have to see, potentially, possibly. and in some ways, the president himself has hedged as well when you listen to the way he talks. he tends to have phrases in there that give him a little bit of wiggle room down the line should we ever hold him to it. we'll see if he says something similar on camera today. he's meeting with senior citizens at 11:00 and we'll see what extent he makes any remarks and gives an update as we get

closer to that important threshold. >> hans nichols getting us started at the white house, thanks very much. katy, over to you. >> the head of the world health organization is warning in countries where coronavirus cases are declining may see a second peak of infections. >> we cannot make assumptions that just because the disease is on the way down now that it's on -- it's going to keep going down and we're going to get a number of months to get ready for a second wave. we may get a second peak in this wave. >> joining us now is physician and senior scholar at the johns hopkins university center for health security, dr. ames amesh adalja. let's talk about this downward trend in cases. in a place like new york, are we learning anything more about whether or not this virus has any seasonality aspect to it?

>> we know this is a coronavirus. and the coronaviruses do have seasonality. however, you have to remember that when it becomes sunny, when it becomes hotter and more humid, there may be environmental conditions that make the virus less likely to transmit from surfaces. surfaces are a small part of transmission. so many people susceptible to infection that person to person spread will still continue to occur unless there's sufficient immunity to get that full seasonality we see with other coronaviruses. we may see some decrease but it's not going to be the same as with other respiratory viruses. >> do we know if it's transmitted through the big droplets we expel from our mouth and nose or is it transmitted through the smaller droplets? is it aerosolized making it potentially harder to keep to yourself, even if you're wearing a mask? >> there's not very strong evidence that this aerosolizes in order situations.

we know in hospital situations where people are getting certain procedures, maybe even in dental offices, that it can aerosolize when there's a procedure going on. when we look at the epidemiology of who is getting infected and how, it looks like this is mostly large droplets that are spreading this. which is what we expect with many coronaviruses. that's not a surprise. in hospital settings, that's where we worry about airborne precautions and prevent aerosol generation as best as we can. but in the general population, i don't think that's a major risk. >> doctor, the issue of herd immunity. in the so-called second wave, are senior centers, prisons, meat packing plants going to be home to these outbreaks again or if they've had an outbreak, are they going to have developed their own form of herd immunity and the second wave just won't impact those areas this time because there's -- they developed on their own a form of herd immunity? >> it might be the case that a

place got hard hit like a meat packing plant or nursing home and there was a high enough level of infection. maybe 60%, 70% that got infected that they have this herd immunity in their enclave, their little population. as they get new people into it, suppose the meat packing plant hours a new people they'll be adding susceptibles to it. we can't say we're completely out of the woods. they may have higher immunity but there's going to be new people entering the plant that won't have that immunity so they need to be vigilant going through the next phase of this pandemic. >> and doctor, take a step back for us. we keep saying next wave. explain why we believe this will be waves. it does feel as if it's like -- it was china, then europe, then us. now latin america. what does that tell us about what it's going to look like the next time it goes around the globe, or does it not tell us

anything? >> it's hard to say. we know this strirs virus is onn timeline. we are going to have to deal with the fact that we'll see outbreaks that periodically spring up in different parts of the country until we have a vaccine. it may not be as distinct of waves where it goes down and back up. it may be a low level base line with some spikes within it. i don't think we're quite ready to call it waves but we have to be prepared to be facing this for the fear near-term future and what it will look like when it synergizes with the flu in the fall and both are at the same time. >> doctor, thank you very much. chuck, over to you. >> thank you. georgia republican governor brian kemp is offering his state up as an alternative location for the republican national

committee after president trump threatened to move the party's national convention out of north carolina. the president lashed out on twitter demanding governor roy cooper guarantee the event will be held in august at full capacity. rnc chair ronna mcdaniel echoed the president. >> we want to have it in north carolina. the president loves north carolina. it's just the governor. and he's got to work with us. every state we talked to is saying we want to nominate the president here. they're so excited to have that, but this governor is up for re-election. he hasn't given us the reassurances we need. >> joining us is reporter and anchor from wcnc, our affiliate in raleigh, north carolina. this is suddenly a big political fight. how is the governor responding? >> well, they want to see a plan. they are putting the ball back in the court of the rnc and the president saying if they have a plan, they'd love to see it. they have gone on the record

saying if there is a way to host this convention here safely, they are open to it because, as contentious as a convention has been here for the last couple of years, the one thing red and blue could agree on is green and $160 million in economic impact that could come to this state if the convention was held in full capacity. as we know now, that's a pretty big if to be able to see 50,000 people here in this state, in this city of charlotte come august would be a pretty big undertaking. governor roy cooper did tweet yesterday saying that he is working with the rnc, but he plans on making decisions based on science and data. he is expected to speak here in raleigh at 3:00. something a lot of people are going to be curious to hear what he has to say. he really is on the clock right now because, as you mentioned, we've got other cities, other states that are now smelling blood in the water, if you were, seeing the potential to swoop in and take this convention from charlotte. however, you have plenty of

naysayers saying let's call their bluff because the idea of pulling off a convention in three months time is highly unlikely. i spoke to one political expert who said it's never been done in modern u.s. history. there's a reason why cities will vie for the opportunity to have a convention some two years out. so you do have some local elected officials here who are saying that they would like to keep it here, but they do believe there have to be conversations about how to do so safely. the mayor, who is a democrat here in charlotte, has been one of the strongest supporters of having the rnc here. in recent days she's started to scale back that support saying she has to put the safety of her community first. she wants to hear what that plan could be. the governor speaking at 3:00 and we expect to hear more from him about what he'd like to hear from the rnc to pull this off safely. back to you in the studio. >> tonya mendez from our affiliate in charlotte. my apologies, i misspoke and said raleigh.

katy, the president here, it felt like the president is searching for a political fight when there wasn't really one -- i mean, i don't think there was a lot of controversy in north carolina. you have a governor, a mayor who want to figure out how to make this happen. i guess i don't think anybody thought the president really was going to request packing in an arena. i think even if he wanted to put 50,000 in an arena at the convention, i don't know if there would be enough delegates willing to do that. >> listen, i've been talking to officials at the white house, at the campaign and those steeped in how you pull a convention off with the republican party. and they say it would be an immen lift to get this to another city. someone in the campaign mentioned that if they were to move it, at least right now, because usually this takes years in the planning, at least right now, most things are canceled so there may be more openings in places across the country than there would be otherwise.

somebody else said that this is really, as you mentioned, a game of chicken between the presidents and the governor of north carolina. they want to have it in north carolina. but the president wants to have it the way that he thinks it should be done, which is by having a ton of people showing up in this convention, pandemic or not, and celebrating his ascension to the official republican nominee for the presidency going forward. listen, it is three months away. it certainly doesn't look safe right now, according to health experts. but this is what the president wants, and this is what the campaign is trying to deliver regardless of what the governor of north carolina might say. so we'll see what he comments on at 3:00 p.m. today. coming up, though, chuck, up next, republicans are suing california governor gavin newsom, looking for another fight it seems, to stop him from sending mail-in ballots to

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right now, a political feud is under way in california over mail-in voting. president trump weighed in this morning once again claiming without evidence that there is no way voting by mail, knoequot will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. we'll note that experts who study the issue have found no

evidence that voter fraud is a widespread problem in the united states. this comes, though, after the republican national committee and other republican groups sued california to try and stop the state from mailing absentee ballots to voters ahead of the november election. here's what rnc chair ronna mcdaniel said about the dispute earlier on fox news. >> it will inject chaos into the election process in california. so what he's talking about is just sending ballots directly to registered voters. in l.a. county alone, there are 1.5 million more registered voters than there are adults in the state because california never cleans up their voter rolls. so there will be ballots littering the street. >> joining us is california secretary of state, alex padilla. mr. secretary, it's good to see you. respond to ronna mcdaniel there claiming or saying that the voter rolls are too messy and this is just going to end up in

widespread voter fraud. >> well, i guess similar to trump himself, don't let facts and the truth get in the way of trying to make an argument. the fact of the matter is she's got it wrong. california has a long, successful history in utilizing vote by mail. california is not alone. both red states and blue states and purple states have vote by mail. oregon, utah, colorado and others. vote by mail has proven to be secure and provide an accessible way for people to exercise their right to vote with convenience or in this pandemic environment in a way that will help them protect their health and that of their loved ones. >> let's get to the heart of where the rnc chair was going with this critique, right? the concern is there are going to be ballots sent out to people that are no longer on the rolls. let me ask the question this

way. explain the security that you have that will prevent that ballot from, you know, that gets sent to a house. the person doesn't exist anymore. what security do you have in place to secure that ballot doesn't get filled out and counted. >> so a couple of things. first of all, ballots are mailed to all registered voters. there's a category of inactive voters that i think is the focus of their attention that don't receive these ballots. but several safety measures are in place that have protected the integrity of our elections for many years. every person who votes by mail has to sign the outside of the envelope when returning that. one of the first things county officials do is check that signature on the envelope against the signature on file for that voter to -- before they count those ballots. california is also rapidly expanding a ballot tracking system that we've labeled

"where's my ballot" to allow people to see the ballot through the mail delivery process on the way to the voter and back to the county and receive alerts via text message when the ballot has been received and counted. transparency, accountability and confidence in the process. >> california had already been greatly expanding its ability to have mail-in ballots giving voters the option of requesting a mail-in ballot. correct me if i'm wrong but back in the primary you had millions of people send back their items. did you have any instances of fraud? >> voting by mail and specifically no excuse vote by mail has been a successful practice in california for almost two decades. growing in popularity every year, you're right, in this primary, more than 70% of the ballots cast for people who voted by mail.

and every audit, every investigation, every study shows the same thing. voter fraud, including voter fraud by mail, is exceedingly, exceedingly rare. no current cases that we are aware of, but the success of the participation is one we should be aware of and building on for november and that's what we're doing. building a november election that's accessible and secure and safe for voters and election workers alike. >> two republicans just won in special elections where a good number of ballots were mailed in. mr. secretary, do you have any idea what the motivation is behind this lawsuit by the rnc? >> well, i think there's a couple of motivations behind the lawsuit and trump's tweets. they are laying the foundation already to call into question, to cast doubt about november election results that they may not like. it's not the first time. they did it prior to these recent special elections.

trump himself did it four years ago, prior to his election in november 2016. so it's a tactic that they go to time and again. my personal opinion, it's also the president's attempt to distract from his failure to respond to the covid-19 pandemic. so he's trying to change the subject. and we shouldn't let him. he should suppress the virus, not the vote. >> california secretary of state alex padilla, thank you very much for joining us. we should also note that we did invite rnc chair ronna mcdaniel to join us, and she was not available today. chuck, this reminds me of what we saw in 2016 toward the end of the election when donald trump thought he was going to lose. he went on a big spree claiming voter fraud was going to happen. everybody should watch out for it. building up a case for what he would see as an unfair election, as a fraudulent election if he were to lose. >> look, there's always two ways to analyze the president and his

motivations. one is distraction and the other is to always have an exit strategy. and so a blame game or whatever it is, but an explanation, all of it designed to avoid one thing. responsibility. coming up -- a minnesota man dies after repeatedly saying he could not breathe while an officer kneeled on his neck. the fbi is now investigating his death. you're watching msnbc. i just love hitting the open road and telling people

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the fbi and minnesota authorities are investigating the death of a black man who died in police custody in minneapolis. and some may find the images you're about to see disturbing there. certainly really hard to watch. the arrest was captured on video and shared on social media where the unnamed man is seen telling officers he cannot breathe at multiple points. an officer can be seen with his knee on the neck of the man as he holds him down. nbc news reporter shaq brewster joins us with more of the details. shaq, this is a really difficult video to watch. it goes on for, i believe, ten minutes. and even though the man is saying over and over again that he cannot breathe and even as paramedics show up, the officer's knee is still on that man's neck. >> that's right, katy. we're still waiting for

officials to confirm the identity of this man. the outrage continues to grow as more and more people see this very distauscurbing video. the video shows an officer with a knee to this man's neck for several moments at a time, about seven minutes. you hear the man asking for air and you hear bystanders pleading with the officers to release this man and get the knee off of his neck. police say that they were sent -- the police department says they were sent to this south minneapolis business late yesterday after a report of a forgery. they say they saw a person who matched the description of the person they were looking for. he got out of his car as ordered. he was initially compliant but then they say at a certain point he physically resisted. that's when we see this video. you see the officer using his knee to restrain this man. i want to play just a small clip from that video so you can hear a little of what the man was saying on the ground and what the people around them were saying as they were watching. listen here. it might be a little hard to

watch. >> relax. >> i can't breathe. >> at another moment he asks for water. another time he says he's feeling pain all over his body. and then by the end of that video, he has not been moving for several minutes at a time. the fbi has been called in to assist an investigation. the police chief said that a community source gave them more information that provided context to the situation. and that's why they called in the fbi. so that's something we'll continue to watch throughout the day. the mayor had harsh words. he had an emotional press conference this morning. listen to a little of what the mayor said this morning. >> for the better part of the night, i have been trying to find the words to describe what happened. and all i keep coming back to is

that he should not have died. what we saw was horrible. completely and utterly messed up. being black in america should not be a death sentence. >> now there is body camera footage that investigators will go through. and there is a protest planned for later tonight in south minneapolis. as you can imagine, it's an emotional reaction you're seeing to this very emotional video. katy, chuck? >> shaquille brewster, definitely hard to watch. especially when you watch it in full and see the people who crowded around and were begging the officers to get off his neck and they were ignored. i said ten-minute video. it was a seven-minute video as you corrected me. and it's just infuriating. shaq brewster -- >> ten-minute video, but the officer was on his neck for about seven minutes.

>> good clarification. shaq, thank you very much. chuck, it's -- there aren't any words when you look at video like that. it's just hard to understand how somebody can die lying there underneath an officer as he is handcuffed with a knee on a neck. it's beyond words. >> you know, five years ago when -- after ferguson and after trayvon martin we were going to have this conversation as a country and talk about all these issues with policing and we were going to make these improvements here and there and i wonder how many people in america think that that was nothing but lip service when they see what's happening right now. that's not to say there aren't a lot of communities trying to make changes. a lot of police departments are trying to make changes. but i would understand if a lot of people in america look around and say, that was lip service apparently because look at what we're seeing.

we have an update on the shooting death of ahmaud arbery. the u.s. attorney for the southern district of georgia is looking into why it took more than two months for police to make an arrest. nbc news reached out to the u.s. attorney for the case to confirm it, and they responded that they do not comment on investigations or even confirm if there is an investigation under way. 25-year-old arbery was shot and killed by two white men while jogging near his home on february 23rd. earlier this month, the u.s. department of justice said it would consider a request to investigate whether hate crime charges on the federal level should be pursued in the case. georgia on the state level does not have a hate crimes law. three arrests were made this month after video surfaced of that violent encounter. katy, back over to you. >> chuck, i'll say one other thing. both of these instances and the ones we talked about in the past have been brought to our attention because they were recorded. because they were on video.

just -- i just can't even imagine what we might not be seeing out there. what is not recorded? what is going under the radar that is happening in this country? let's move on, though. coming up, despite being in the midst of a pandemic, could we see a record in spikes in employment and gdp growth in the coming months? white house economic advisers think so. now the chief economist in the obama white house says it is likely. he'll join us next. you're watching msnbc. y more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams. spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair today.

congress is weighing what to do about the next round of coronavirus aid, and there is already a partisan split. house speaker nancy pelosi wants to, quote, go big with the next relief bill, while mitch mcconnell insists on hitting pause. joining us from capitol hill is garrett haake. what is the latest over there? >> well, katy, the senate is out this week, but that means its members are back in their home states and in many cases getting questions if not outright pressure about why they've not yet acted on the next round of coronavirus relief. we heard it today from mitch mcconnell back in kentucky fielding a question on that very topic. here's what he said. i'll explain why it matters on the other side. >> so many of you are asking what next? i think there's likely to be another bill. it will not be the $3 trillion bill that the house passed the

other day. but there's still a likelihood that more will be needed. we're not going to be doing a $3 trillion bill. that won't happen. >> katy, democrats acknowledged last week that the heroes act they passed was essentially an opening offer and negotiation. here you hear mitch mcconnell saying that he concedes it's probably time to start negotiating here. a lot of that comes in the context of november, of course. late last week, two of his most vulnerable senators, cory gardner and susan collins came out and said they wanted to be doing more. cory gardner threatened to hold up allowing the senate to go on recess to try to force this issue of moving forward with something in the senate. so while we remain to see what that something is, the senate is out this week, we will see some history in the house tomorrow when this body votes for the first time ever using proxy voting. already more than 30,000 members back home in their district have

designated other members to vote on their behalf here on a couple of measures they'll be dealing with this week. so history in the making up here as these two bodies chug onward toward hopefully some kind of agreement on a relief package later this summer. >> garrett haake on capitol hill. a quiet capitol hill. thank you very much. >> don't say that word. >> yeah, he's right, katy. there's always that weird thing. it's quiet but you say it, and then you jinx it and then you get overwhelmed and he's the only guy -- i get it. that was always a fear we had sometimes. never say it. slow news day. never say it. a little inside note. one of the top economists in the obama administration, jason fuhrman, believes we're about to see the best economic data we've seen in the history of this country. okay. i think you want to know, when will we see that? with record job losses and small businesses struggling, politico notes the sunny outlook has earned him some confusion from

other economy wonks and praise from this current white house. >> i noticed one of my erstwhile pals from the other side of the aisle, mr. jason fuhrman, an obama supporter, essentially came up with the same scenario kevin hassett and i have been talking about. a very strong third and fourth quarter. >> well, joining us now is that person, jason fuhrman. now a professor at harvard university's school of government, senior fellow at the peterson institute for economics and he once had the job larry kudlow had but for president obama. jason, are you -- what are you suggesting here? are you suggesting the spike or are you suggesting a "w" and this will just be a spike that looks and feels good in the moment but then dissipates? >> went straight down. will start to look like a "v" as we go up and then will slow down

into a slog. if you want to be complacent about the economy, you will have a lot of material for the complacency over the next few months because i think you will see, as the lights get turned back on, very rapid growth. but that growth i don't expect will continue. so complacency would be the wrong attitude to have. >> what gives you confidence that we are going to see this spike in the third quarter? i say this because if you -- demand hasn't picked up nearly as fast as perhaps those that opened these economies, these partial reopenings, those that opened it perhaps thought. so i'm curious where you get your optimism. on one hand, i get what you're saying, and that it should be coming. on the other hand, the slow actual increase in demand has to be concerning, no? >> yeah, and just to be clear,

again, if you look at the daily data, consumption growth from april 15th to may 15th grew. it probably grew like 30%. it is also still about 40% below where it was before the crisis. and that illustrates the type of dynamic. it's an easy way to create jobs, to rehire furloughed workers, turn the lights back on. some businesses are going to do that. most of that will be front loaded. and it's the harder growth, the slog that will be, i expect, more backloaded. >> so jason, there are a lot of businesses out there that are not going to be able to reopen. a lot of retailers that were not doing well before this hit that are just not going to be able to survive this pandemic. so if we want sustained job growth in this country, should we be looking back to those jobs that were there before this pandemic, or would you suggest we need a big infrastructure deal in this country to put

people back to work through the government? >> yeah, i think the easiest thing is to hold on to the jobs you have already. that's why state and local relief to prevent layoffs is so important. the second easiest is to get people hired back, so more demand. but there will be a lot of reallocation. a lot of those jobs are not going to come back, so, yes, you're exactly right. some combination of infrastructure, investment and training investment will be necessary to rebuild the economy. that will be a multi-year project, not anything that we can do quickly and easily. and, you know, the complacency that we might get as we get a million or 2 million jobs a month will be the biggest threat to that. we're over 10 million jobs in the hole and have to continue with those steps. >> what do you want to see congress doing right now? >> there is the immediate

problems. the state and local years begin july 1st. the longer you wait for that, the more layoffs you're going to get there. unemployment insurance expires at the end of july. i think it needs to be phased down to some degree, but continued. and finally, the infrastructure, the training, all of that is going to be more important for 2021 and 2022 than it is for this year, but no reason not to get started on it now. >> jason furman, final quick question for you. when should the ppe program essentially right now that's designed to help these small businesses, when do we shift and try to encourage small business start-ups? and basically taking the same idea but helping, you know -- if that's the job engine, we all know that's one of the job engines, how do we encourage a small business start-up in a horrible economy like this

without a little bit of cash infusion? >> yeah, i like grants for people and loans for businesses. i think we could expand the lending programs that the fed has already announced. but i wouldn't continue ppe. in terms of start-ups, whatever we can do for the economy as a whole would be the best thing we can do for start-ups. >> jason furman, he's at harvard, easily one of the best economic guys you can hear from on the left side of the aisle. thanks for coming on and sharing your views. appreciate it. >> thank you. katy, over to you. >> and up next, a former u.s. marine charged with spying faces almost 20 years in prison in russia. we're going to have the details from moscow after a very quick break. you're watching msnbc. early... .

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russian president vladimir putin's spencer is nokesperson e and out of the hospital after being infected with the coronavirus. dmitry peskov, who was hospitalized on may 12th, told russian media that he is in quarantine and plans a gradual return to work. he also said in early may that his last personal contact with president putin was more than a month ago. right now, russia is just behind the united states and brazil with the third highest number of coronavirus cases in the world, katy. >> let's stay in russia. russian prosecutors are asking for a maximum 18-year prison sentence for former u.s. marine, paul whealan, who was on trial for espionage. whealan, an american citizen, was arrested in moscow in 2018 after allegedly receiving a hard drive full of classified information. whealan denies the charges and claims he was set up by russian

intelligence. nbc's matthew bodner joins us now from moscow with more on this case. >> reporter: thank you, katy. well, russian prosecutors very requested the court sentence mr. whealan to 18 years in a russian colony. it was also a recommendation that his lawyers said yesterday was shocking. and indeed, there's a lot to be shocked about in this case. namely the fact that the entire thing has taken place behind closed doors. neither journalists nor the american ambassador have been admitted once into the courtroom. what little we do know comes from mr. whealan's lawyer, who just yesterday said that he believes that his client has been framed by a friend who was working with the russian federal security service. now, a verdict is due on june 15th. in about two weeks' time. and despite the high-profile nature of the case abroad, there is very little evidence that the kremlin appears ready to intervene in any way. in fact, in russia, no one seems to be talking about whealan very much at all. in fact, all attention is now placed on the coronavirus

epidemic, and specifically when to lift the lockdown. this question is very much, on everybody's minds, including the kremlin. just today, vladimir putin announced that he's ready to hold the victory day parade, which was rescheduled for may 9th, on june 24th. however, the numbers don't really look that promising. today, russia surpassed 360,000 confirmed cases and saw a new fatality record in a 24-hour period, reporting 174 fatalities. and though the kremlin is really gung ho on holding this parade, it is not clear that the moscow mayor's office is fully onboard. officially, moscow's lockdown is due end to on may 31st, but the mayor has already said that elements of the lockdown will continue well past that and into june. however, it has not yet specified when the lockdown may actually end. thanks, katy. back to you. >> matt bodner reporting for us from moscow. and coming up in our next hour, twitter refuses to honor a widower's plea to take down president trump's tweets

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the republican governors of florida and georgia have now both offered to host this summer's republican national convention. the president has repeatedly threatened to pull the event from north carolina unless the democratic governor guarantees full attendance, meaning in person. the united nations is warning today that the pandemic is causing an unprecedented food crisis around the world. an estimated 265 million people could face food insecurity this year alone. basically, that's defined as not knowing where they're going to get their next meal on a given basis. as meat packing plants resume business, cases of covid-19 mooamong their workers continue to rise. that infection rate has quadrupled over recent months despite measures to stem infections. minnesota, meanwhile, just saw its biggest single-day jump in icu admissions as a result of the coronavirus. a 41-patient spike from sunday to monday brought the total number of icu beds used to 248. we'll bring in my co-anchor

for the hour, katy tur, with a new look at the numbers as we see them. katy? >> and chuck, the world health organization is now warning that countries around the world could see a second peak of coronavirus infections. there are currently more than 5.5 million confirmed cases of the virus globally. and the u.s. has the most infections by a wide margin, with 1.6 million confirmed cases of covid-19. brazil now has the second worst outbreak in the world, and that country surpassed russia for the first time with more than 374,000 cases. russia has over 360,000 infections and the uk has the fourth worst outbreak with more than 266,000 confirmed case of coronavirus. so, chuck, as you can see, the numbers are not great around the world, even though some places are getting a handle on this. this, again, is a pandemic.

it is a highly infectious disease. and when not taken seriously, it's going to spread. and it's going to kill people. >> look, it's -- it may be uncomfortable for people to hear this, but if you look at the top four countries in the world, all four of those countries have something in common. their leaders all downplayed, at some point or another, how bad things were going to be. whether it was boris johnson in the uk, when they toyed with herd immunity there for a bit, whether it was donald trump, whether it was bolsonaro in brazil, whether it was putin, i have to say, that's an uncomfortable fact that links those four countries. meanwhile, let's begin at the white house this afternoon where the president is again defending his response to the pandemic, even as deaths in this country approach a devastating milestone, nearly 100,000 americans. tweeted, if i had done my job well and early, we would have lost 1.5 million to 2 million police, as opposed to the 100,000 plus that it looks like will be the number. sadly, that may not be the

number. joining us now from the white house is nbc's hans nichols. and hans, i'm curious today, because the president has an event with seniors today, that on one hand you would assume, is this going to be virus related? but it's not, but politically, there seems to be one of the bigger fallouts from this virus so far as it impacts older americans the most, they all of a sudden seem to be in play between biden and trump and four years ago it was a stronghold for the president. >> especially in florida. i'm sure you saw "the washington post" polling out of florida as well that looked at seniors and the movement according to exit polls in 2016, which showed trump won them well into double digits. and now where trump and biden are heading into 2020, it's more equal. and you look at the places that president donald trump is going to need to run up the margins, if he wants to replicate the victory that he had in 2016, seniors are a key subset of that. now, caucasiucasians without co

degrees are another one. you see his numbers holding up there. but when you look at the senior numbers, those perhaps the most troubling for the president. now, there is, shake up is too strong of a word, but there are some changes on the campaign. bill stepien, who had been the president director for the president did a lot of the 2018 midterm re-election, midterm races, the senate and house races and how you deploy the president. he's going over in a deputy role at the campaign, so they're shuffling things around a little bit. remember, they've got a pot of money over there, but remember, how do you spend it effectively in this environment, and that it's apparently a challenge. we'll hear from the press secretary in just a little bit and we'll see if she gives us any updates on the numbers, the president's thinking on the numbers, the latest tests and where the white house thinks they are on their national strategy or is it just a state-by-state strategy that when you replicate it, it becomes a national strategy. chuck? >> and very quickly, hans, how

real is this threat on the rnc, do we think, inside that white house? >> on the convention? >> i can't really answer that. and i can't do it quickly. the president likes competition. i mean, this is "the apprentice." he now has the states in a bidding war. his georgia and florida saying that they might do it. you know, you and i have covered conventions in the past. and the amount of the memorandums that you need to sign with the city, with the state, with the local authorities to get lines of credits, that's that complicated process and that's usually done 18 months ahead of time. very difficult to replicate that for a full-incredible e ed convention, but if it's a mini convention, you could play states off each other, which seems to be happening. chuck? >> you could. the last time a convention was moved hastily with the republicans, nixon had to do it in '72. he hastily moved it to miami and only because the democrats had been there. they had sort of the logistics in place -- >> you're forgetting the day that they shortened the 2008

republican convention. >> sure. >> but shortening and moving it is twice. >> that's two different things. hans nichols at the white house, getting us started this hour. hans, thanks very much. katy, over to you. >> interesting additions on the campaign, chuck, especially after we were launching that lincoln project ad last week targeting brad parscale. let's move on, though. the country music mecca of nashville is moving to phase ii of its reopening. that means the live music scene that the city is famous for can make a comeback, but there will be restrictions. joining me is nbc's morgan chefski. so morgan, what's it look like down there now? >> reporter: well, it looks similar and yet so very different, katy, because you finally have phase ii come back to music city after more than two and a half months, really of silence right here along broadway, which is kind of that main drag, the soul of nashville, if you will. and we took a chance to walk up

and down the sidewalks last night and we were finally starting to hear that music return from the dozens of venues, but when you looked inside, the stages, they were noticeably not as crowded, because one of the new rules is, no more than two performers up on stage at a time can exist. and then when you looked out into the crowd, you had socially distanced tables. at some of the venues, you had people walking in with masks on before being seated, at which point they could take those masks off. and while these venues are starting to reopen, they still have rules once you get inside. the bars can serve you, but you can't approach the bar. you have to place an order with a waiter or waitress. they can go up and retrieve that drink for you. and this is going to be disappointing to a lot of people, no dancing allowed, no matter how good that music is. all that aside, we had a chance to hear straight from some of the entertainers last night about how it felt to be back in public for the first time. take a listen. >> it was really just uncertain. i was nervous that nobody was

going to be here, but there's people in here and everybody seems to be having a good time and i'm really, really thankful for that. i feel like as long as everybody is kind of keeping distance skbrand just being respectful, i think we'll be fine. >> and that really was the general consensus we heard last night. obviously, a lot of differences in the days and weeks ahead, but people just happy to get back into somewhat of a routine. this is phase ii. smaller venues, you might have heard of the iconic bluebird cafe, well known for its kind of intimate setting. they're still closed and they'll likely remain closed for at least a month more before phase iv would allow those smaller places to reopen. in the meantime, you have places like the grand ole opry, a nashville icon that is using to not reopen just yet. they're trying to figure out how to reopen and maintain social distancing on the inside, but the past few months have seen them kind of reinvent themselves by having online concerts to kind of keep that spirit alive,

even though, you know, the act of nashville, known for so much live music, isn't necessarily back just yet. we'll send it back to you. >> morgan chefski in nashville. morgan, thank you very much. and chuck, over to you. >> i have to say, just looking at that empty street of downtown nashville now and it's just a reminder, here we are, two months in, and we know there are attempts to open up in a lot of places and that's still our reality in a lot of places. let's turn now to how covid-19 will continue to disproportionately impact people of color, particularly african-americans. between the infection rate and the death toll, it's magnifying the disparity in health care received by african-americans compared to their white counterparts. in mississippi, african-americans are more than 38% of the population but account for more than 50% of covid-19 deaths. dasha burns is in mississippi with the story of how one family has simply been devastated by this virus. >> reporter: chuck, jackson,

mississippi, is a community that is more than 80% black and it has the highest number of cases in the state. the people here have been hit hard. and i want to introduce you to cassandra rollins. she just lost her daughter, solandra to covid-19. solandra was just 38 years old, she had two children, she was a teacher. and her mom tells me she went into the doctor with flu-like symptoms and instead of getting a test was sent home with flu medication. a couple of weeks later, she finally did get a test. she tested positive and just a couple of days later, she passed away from the disease. cassandra tells me she feels like the medical community didn't act with enough urgency to treat her daughter and now she's dealing with an unimaginable loss. take a listen to just some of what she told me today. >> we had a close bond. like i said, she was not only my

child, she was my friend. i literally lost my best friend. >> chuck, it's so hard to have these conversations, but we have to remember, these are not statistics. these are real people and they are suffering and they are suffering disproportionately in communities like this one, chuck. >> dasha burns, i think sometimes people need to see and hear those personal stories, because again, it's not just a statistic. anyway, d.a.s.h.a burns in mississippi for us, thanks. d.a.s. dasha, thanks. >> all of those numbers have a name, all of those numbers have a life. and chuck, the united states has banned foreign travelers from brazil starting tonight. this comes as cases of coronavirus in that country have surged. it is now the second-worst outbreak in the entire world. but some regions of brazil are beginning to reopen. nbc news chief global correspondent, bill neely, has more from one of those regions

just outside rio de janeiro. >> reporter: good afternoon, guys. from a city outside of rio de janeiro, you can see, it's not only open for business, it is teeming. tens of thousands of people out on the streets. remember, most of them have been locked down for the best part of two months. the mayor of this city of 1 million people, well, he's had the virus, he ordered it to open up. he does not believe in the lockdown. and the battle between saving the economy and saving lives is really raging in brazil. there are thousands of people just beyond the camera queueing up at banks. people desperate to get the provisions that maybe they have lacked for the last couple of months. this comes, of course, as the travel ban into the united states from brazil begins at

midnight, tonight. it was meant to kick in on thursday. but obviously, the crisis in this country has really worried the white house, so they brought it up by 48 hours. and it's a crisis that's not just in health and in the economy, it's a political crisis, as well. because this morning, under the direction of the president, jael bolsonaro, federal police raided the home and the mansion, the office of the governor of this state, rio de janeiro. and it's to do with the coronavirus crisis and to do with the purchase of ventilators, but it's really about the political clash between the governors here in brazil and the president. the president, remember, doesn't believe in the lockdown, doesn't believe in social distancing, was out the weekend at a rally with anti-lockdown protesters calling for freedom. a clash between him and for example, the governor of this state, who wants a lockdown.

well, the mayor of this city has defied the governor, so you can see, there's absolute chaos here. and all of this comes as for the very first time, brazil has overtaken the united states in the numbers of daily deaths. just over 800 deaths in the last 24 hours in brazil. over 600 in the united states. and really, this is another dark week for brazil, as it heads towards 25,000 deaths and 400,000 infections. but here, as you can see, just like in many places in the united states, this city, guys, is open for business. back to you. >> bill neely with that report from brazil. and chuck, leaving aside the raid on the governor's home, i mean, just remarkable to see bolsonaro walking through those crowds, shoulder to shoulder with so many people, some of whom were not wearing masks, he's not wearing a mask. he's embracing a child who was

wearing a mask. i mean, it just seems like such an incredible amount of risk to put yourself in the middle of all of those people when you're the leader of a country, but i guess you do that when you're trying to claim that this is no big deal and you're trying to, i guess, use yourself as an example of this not being a big deal, at all. >> and katy, this is going to really impact brazil's economy. look, i can just tell you, you know, miami is one of those cities that -- miami sees a surge sometimes from different latin american countries, if there is a -- if there's political turmoil, if you will and concern. and here you now have a medical emergency compounded by political turmoil in brazil. we saw money fly out of that country before, into new york and miami in particular. we may see people and money fly out of there because, again, it's a political crisis on top of a pandemic. this could be a double whammy for brazil's economy there.

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president trump is continuing to promote untrue allegations of murder against a prominent media personality today. his latest attacks came after the widower of a woman who died nearly two decades ago asked twitter to delete some of the president's tweets promoting a conspiracy theory that he calls a vicious lie about his wife's death. the president has promoted the false allegation with no evidence that joe scarborough, host of "morning joe" here on msnbc, was somehow involved in the accidental death of laurie clawsuitis, an aide who worked in one of scarborough's districts in 2001. authorities determined that she developed an abnormal heart rhythm after falling and striking her head. her husband, timothy, writes

saying i'm asking you to intervene in this instance because the president of the united states has taken something that does not belong to him, the memory of my dead wife, and perverted it for perceived political gain. twitter tells nbc news that they will not remove trump's tweets. they added in a statement, we are deeply sorry about the pain these statements and the attention they are drawing are causing the family. we've been working to expand existing product features and policies so we can more effectively address things like this going forward and we hope to have those changes in place shortly. just hours ago, the president continued to tweet falsely, calling the death a cold case and suggesting a conspiracy. joining us now is kara swisher of recode and the pivot podcast. she joins us now. kara, so twitter -- i'm trying to understand twitter's stance here. if the president says it, they're not going to ban it. but other people basically play by a different set of rules? i'm being a little snarky with that leading question to you,

but how do you interpret it any other way? >> i'm so glad twitter is having a lot of feels here about what's happening, but it's really not the point. the point is, what are the tools they're going to put in place to stop this kind of thing? and i think, you know, it's sort of -- i don't even know if they said they're not going to take it down, they just said they're working on tools, and i discussed those in the column, which is, they'll put labels on these things and link to correct articles about it, which in this case, there's many. and they're hoping that will solve the problem, that he can continue to lie and tweet, essentially, or put up false information, but will they just say it's false. which i think is a naive way to do it, because he's sort of operating on the platform with immunity. when others, including other world leaders like bolsonaro and lots of people get taken down on both sides of the aisle, actually, for things like this. >> kara, what is jack dorsey

worried about? >> i don't know. he's a very thoughtful guy, let me just say, he thinks a lot about these issues. it took him a long time to take alex jones off the platform. i remember having a meeting with him, saying, you're going to take him down eventually, why not be a leader on this? and he resisted it and he's trying very hard to be thoughtful about a very difficult situation. but this has been years and years of this happening and they should have come up with these features a long time, especially since their number one customer, who was donald trump, is using the system in this way and gaming it this way. and he knows, donald trump knows this is pushing the edge and he's doing it on purpose to do so, to see how far he can push them. >> kara, to me, it wasn't an accident that the second this started bubbling up and he knew that pressure was going to be put on twitter to start actually making him abide by a policy that they make others abide by, then suddenly he floats this social media bias conference that he wants to lead.

>> yeah. >> again, that didn't feel like coincidence. i assume that both dorsey and zuckerberg. i'll tell you this. they both act like two ceos who believe that they have to always cater to the right on these conversations about speech. they never seem to be worrying about anybody else. >> oh, i don't think so. i think it's -- that, i don't agree with that i think these gatherings that they have are just so much nonsense. they're nonsensical. and they're not -- i have to say, even if you think there's pressure, there really isn't, because these gatherings are so much pr and just for the base, essentially. but the fact of the matter is, they have to deal with it in some way. and they don't have any answers, and what happens is, a lot of them are very capricious. there are rules, but they're sometimes enforced and sometimes not. and i think the point of mr. claudese

claudeseduos, he said, just take down these tweets. and i think there's something very wise and decent in these one-off moments where you do by example. and you can't necessarily -- there are going to be screen shots of these tweets, his supporters will put them all over the place, people are going to cry first amendment. by the way, it doesn't apply here, because twitter is is a private company, not a public square and they're not the government, but they're going to go all over the place. but by going right to the source and taking down things, as they've done with covid-19 -- a lot, by the way -- it can go a long way to set by example. i think it's important to make a point that these are not acceptable, especially when they're amplified by the president of the united states. >> kara q, kayleigh mcennayny i at the white house podium and she was asked about this and her defense was, oh, it's just a retweet. thatting wi being said, this le from the widow is really gut wrenching. it is a difficult letter to

read. do you know anything about whether that reached jack dorsey? has he personally read it? >> i think they have not responded directly when i was working on this story. what an ung issues way to get out of this. i don't cover politics. i often do, in tech these days. but i think this letter was amazing. i don't think they were in touch with him, after he wrote it on thursday, until today. i think after this column published. they certainly need to be in touch with him. i think it's a really important letter. i think it's thoughtful and think about the damage it does to this family and to him. i think, as he says, he cannot move on when this continues. and is used as a political fight between -- it's hardly about joe scarborough at all.

it's actually about this woman whose memory is being dragged by the president of the united states. >> kara swisher, it is -- i feel like with both jack dorsey and mark zuckerberg in particular, that neither one of them envisioned politics hijacking their platforms the way they have. and i'm guessing it's not the vision they have and at this point, frankly, they don't know what to do. but they try to pretend that they do, a little bit here. basically, they've lost control of this. >> well, you know, they have. mark zuckerberg has tried with his content board. facebook is doing this. i suggested maybe that to take the responsibility and have a real debate about these issues among people who are measured and not on twitter where everybody is screaming at each other. i do think there are ways out of this that can be done well, but let's just be clear, these are not public squares. they are private companies, these are profit-making companies, and they're benefiting from all of this

enragement and they have to do better. i'm sorry to quote melania trump here, but they have to do better. >> i'm sorry, they both -- both platforms are used to character assassinate a lot of people in professions, not just one or two people. that is what their platforms have been you'd for. i would assume they're embarrassed that for some people, that's what their platforms are now known for. anyway, kara swisher -- >> let me just say, chuck, you can take it and i can take it. you can take it, i can take, joe scarborough can take it -- >> what about the widower? >> exactly, that's what i'm talking about it. there's a much bigger thing about decency here, and that's what i'm talking about. >> yeah. and it doesn't excuse the behavior of people who can take it, too. just because they can doesn't mean you should, either. in fairness. >> yeah. >> i could go on, as this is obvious. kara swisher, thank you. katy, apologize there. i hijacked things at the end. >> no, it's fine. i think we feed to have a much broader conversation about social media and the internet

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michigan governor gretchen whitmer is set to speak at a news conference in just a few minutes and she could very well take a few questions about this next story. according to the detroit news, the owner of a northern michigan

dot company claims whitmer's husband requested that his boat be placed on the water before the memorial day weekend, even as the governor, his wife, urged people not to rush to that part of the state. the paper reports that the company says that it would not be possible, and mallory then responded, i am the husband of the governor, will this make a difference? governor whitmer's spokesperson released a statement neither confirming or denying the allegations. it read in part, quote, we're not going to make it a part of addressing every rumor that's spread online. we shall see how that gets -- that got picked up a bit there, katy. i have to say, that's one of those stories we see -- my god, it's a huge problem for boris johnson in the uk right now, with an aide that snuck out and broke a lockdown rule. >> yeah, his approval ratings over there dropped in a matter of days after that story broke, so we're going to find out what gretchen whitmer has to say about this story, because reporters will, i'm sure, ask

her about it. let's talk about joe biden, chuck. and who might his running mate be. they say the presumptive nominee's team has already asked them to beginning the vetting process, so let's break down that list. the pros and cons and what may encourage joe biden to pick or not pick that person with nbc news correspondent steve kornacki. steve, take it away. >> so you mentioned news about gretchen whitmer there, her husband. this is the sort of thing in veep stakes seasons. in any new piece of news or or information that comes to light. whitmer, obviously, you see what happens with that headline if that develops into anything. some of the names, you have them up on the map, what biden looks like, amy klobuchar, one of his former rivals, minnesota, does that help you potentially if you're biden with the midwest, with the upper midwest, kamala

harris, another former rival or elizabeth warren, who also ran. these are some of the names that have been in the mix, but one particular argument that's been made, and this was part of the controversy that biden waded into the other day with that comment, if you aren't for me, you ain't black. does he need to pick not just a woman, but an african-american woman to be on this ticket? let me take you through what the argument is there that you hear. a lot of it has to do with these numbers. this is the turnout percentage for african-american voters in the past four presidential elections. so you see, they start back in 2004. john kerry, john edwards was the ticket. 60% turnout rate among african-americans. remember, john kerry narrowly lost that race to george w. bush. four years later, barack obama, first african-american presidential nominee in history, joe biden, the running mate. 60% becomes 65%. significant jump there. 2012, 66. obama wins. very high black turnout in 2016,

clinton came back to 59. very close to where we were in 2004. narrow loss. the argument is, put an african-american on the ticket, can you increase black turnout? one thing to keep in mind, of course, it was joe biden who was the overwhelming choice of black voters. 69% across all primaries. and then this question. just catching my breath here. this question, too. when will this be announced? august 17th is the start of the convention. typically, these are the days before the convention, picks have been announced in the past, 20 days, the longest. i might run out of breath here, i apologize. will it be a lot closer this time. i ran up here, i apologize. >> i love it! it's a sense of urgency! you know, chuck, he hasn't had the practice at the board that much lately, because we haven't had these primary nights where steve's been going through all the numbers, because everything's either gotten delayed or been blown away by the coverage of the pandemic.

steve kornacki, always love to have you. out of breath -- >> yeah, i'm sorry about that, next time i will walk to the set. >> i have done that. i've run up the stairs to the set and found myself in the same scenario, so i totally understand. steve, thank you so much! and chuck, it's all yours. >> yeah, look, the early vp pick, the one reason to do it is if they need a second person out there, that would be a reason to go early, is that they need a second principle to help them garner attention, garner events. and that might encourage them. then again, they may "american idol" this thing out. let's move, even as they battle covid-19, hospitals are taking a big financial hit. we'll visit a hospital that has had to furlough workers as the pandemic wipes out its usual sources of revenue. this doesn't seem like a good time to be furloughing medical workers, right? well, we'll explain. you're watching msnbc. well, we'll explain. you're watching msnbc. when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. with fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice

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even as they stare down this pandemic, many u.s. hospitals are struggling financially. outpatient services and elective surgeries that normally drive profits have been put on hold. so there's a lot of money going out and very little coming in. joining us from manchester, new hampshire, is nbc news correspondent, anne thompson. and anne, this is the uncomfortable part of our health care system. hospitals have to turn a profit in certain parts of their business in order to operate. >> and the pandemic has really

wiped out every bit of that profit, chuck. here in new hampshire, the new hampshire hospital association estimates that hospitals here will lose $700 million by the end of june. across the country, we already know that 134,000 health care workers have been laid off and many people fear there is more pain to come. >> reporter: pandemics mark the history of st. joseph's hospital. opened just a decade when the 1918 flu hit. this year, it braced for covid. covid never overwhelmed st. joe's, but the costs are. 50 million and countying. >> that's just a recipe for disaster, for any hospital, not just ours. >> reporter: nationwide, hospitals and health system losses could top a staggering $202 billion from march to june. >> not since the great depression has doctors and hospitals and other health care

institutions faced the kind of disruptions that they're experiencing right now. >> as the virus raced up the east coast, st. joe east tripled its beds, scrambled for ventilators and ppe and stopped elective surgeries, cutting off the major profit stream most hospitals depend on. >> it does represent 72% of your revenue, now is diminished. diminished. >> that's a body blow. >> that is a body blow. because we have to be safe. >> so we're going to talk to your son today. >> across the country, telehealth visits are up, but other hospital services plummeting. dermatology, down 67%. gynecology, 75%. ophthalmology, 81%. to cut costs, more than 250 hospitals furloughed thousands of workers, including kaitlan sassville at st. joe's. >> i was actually kind of shocked. i've been working crazy hours. at first, i was upset, i cried. >> operating room, it's katy.

>> now with elective surgeries to schedule, sassville is back after six weeks at home. one of six workers recalled after 300. >> we're having to spend 10 and 20 times more for the same piece of ppe. >> burning through 1,100 isolation gowns a day, st. joe's supply chain manager is ironing together homemade gowns on her downing room table. >> i can't make respirators, i can't make n95 masks, but this gown is so simple, why can't we do that? but it may not be enough to keep hospitals alive. >> it will cut back their services. they may no longer provide hospital or maternity care. they may have become an emergency department or an urgent care center and a smaller hospital when the dust settles. >> making hospitals the next victim of the virus. >> and adding to their problems

is just the lack of patient confidence. a lot of people don't want to go to the hospital because they're afraid of catching covid. so hospitals are trying to rebuild that confidence, because that confidence is key to getting those elective surgeries rescheduled and ginning up that income stream. chuck? >> anne thompson in manchester, new hampshire. thank you. you know, katy, i think we in the press have probably made people nervous about going into hospitals because all we hear about is what? a lot of ppe shortages, so it -- you know, there's a lot of work that the government needs to do to help reassure the public about the safety of hospitals right now. that's for sure. >> yeah, but there is something to be said about the nervousness of doctors in doing a lot of these procedures. a good friend of mine is an ent in colorado and i know ents are at increased risk of catching this because of the nature of

their surgeries, but going back to work with the idea that their patients coming in are not going to have a covid test day of rattled a lot of doctors who maybe did not have access to the same amount of ppe. so, you know, it is a concern on all sides and it's certainly really concerning to see those numbers that anne just displayed, with the number of doctor's appointments or checkups that are going down, especially when you look at gynecology. you don't go into gynecology for an appointment that is generally elective. you're going in there because you need a checkup or need something looked at. those are serious things. and it's going to potentially have a very serious effect on a lot of people's health. chuck, though, let's turn to the federal response when it comes to the big picture. the first round of coronavirus relief passed by congress gave billions to hospitals. and the latest round passed by the house would provide even more. but it has not moved in the senate. let's bring in democratic senator from delaware, chris coons. senator, thank you very much for

joining us, as always. so mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi are wide apart when it comes to what should happen next. the cares act doesn't have a chance of passing through the senate. can you tell me anything about the conversations being had between democrats and republicans about what a senate bill might look like? >> thanks for a question and thanks for that section on the ways in which doctors and nurses and hospitals are under real economic pressure in this pandemic. i'm hopeful that we can provide another round of support. i literally just completed a conference call with dozens of family practitioners, physicians from up and down the state of delaware and later today i'll be talking to the leadership of st. frances, one of our community hospitals, very similar to st. joseph's hospital in new hampshire that you just profiled. my hope is that this next package will include a bipartisan proposal for national service. there is a bipartisan bill in the house.

it's also now being looked at seriously in the senate by a bipartisan group of senators. it would bubble the number of young americans able to serve through americorps, a program of national service that is somewhat based on the national service programs of the great depression. the civilian conservation corps and the works progress administration. it would give an opportunity for some of the millions of americans who are currently unemployed to engage in service to our country, responding to the pandemic, helping with food pantries and addressing food insecurity, responding to some of the gaps in education or in access to health care that have emerged result of this pandemic. that's one of a dozen ideas. support for state and local governments is very high on the list of democrats who want to make sure we plug some of the huge budget holes and provide support to the teachers and paramedics, the police officers and the 2001 call takers who are among the many state and local

employees who are at risk of being laid off in the recovery from this pandemic. >> senator, looking ahead, as we get farther into this, we were just talking to jason furman, the economist who used to work in the obama administration. and he was warning that it wouldn't necessarily be a v-shaped recovery, it would be -- it would look like a "v" and it would sort of just level off. in looking down the line, to make sure that there isn't complacency, that it doesn't just level off, is the senate willing to consider and willing to work with the president and the how on an infrastructure bill? i know infrastructure weak has become a bit of a joke over the past few years, because it always just gets pushed to the side for some other controversy. but is infrastructure something that you guys are really considering this time around, to help bolster the economy in the aftermath of this crisis? >> well, katy, let's be clear. when you just said that

infrastructure week has become a bit of a joke, it's because many of us expected the trump administration when he first came into office, to prioritize something that would have strong bipartisan support, that would put millions of americans to work. and that would help strengthen and modernize our outdated and antiquated infrastructure. i think you would see strong democratic support, strong bipartisan sport for a robust infrastructure package, but i don't know if it's even on the menu. majority leader mitch mcconnell, the republican who controls the senate and the senate floor, has said, you know, let's wait. we don't need to move ahead too quickly on the next package after the heroes act came over from the house last week. so i'm not hearing or seeing a lot of urgency on the part of the senate republican leadership. my hope is that when we get back into session next monday, some of that will have changed, as republicans from their home states have heard from

businesses, from their communities and from families who are very concerned about what is so far a very slow recovery, as we are in just the beginning stages of some of our states and our economy beginning to reopen. >> reporter: delaware senator chris coons, thank you very much for joining us, as always. and chuck, over to you. >> thank you, katy. >> after the break, we're going to head to the floor of the new york stock exchange, which reopened to trading there for the first time since march. but it is not the trading floor that we are used to. wait until you see it. e used to. wait until you see it.

the trading floor of the new york stock exchange is back open today for the first time since march. governor andrew cuomo rang the opening bell as it marbly reopened. the floor has been closed after an employee and trader tested positive for covid-19. joining us now from outside the

stock exchange is msnbc's david gura. david, i can't help but wonder how much of this is just simply for symbolism, because how much of this has already been moved virtually anyway. >> you make a very good point. yes, this is a place where shares are bought and sold, a place for companies to go public, but it is a symbol of american capitalism and an important one. and the governor made that point as he drove his own car, to our surprise, outside after ringing the bell. he stopped to say this is a huge part of reopening the u.s. economy is getting the stock market up and running once again. it did happen in a partial way, about a quarter of the traders who were usually here showed up today and when they got here, they were greeted by medical personnel. had their temperatures taken, quilled out questionnaires and on the floor of the exchange, there's plexiglas everywhere, their movements are restricted, there's no eating of food, they're restricted to certain parts of the cafeteria. this is a fundamentally different place.

and all of this was codified in this three-page memo that was passed out to members of the exchange. this is a model for corporate america. the last two months has given people the opportunity to think through what the policies and protocols need to be. yes, there's a public-facing component to. we see what they're demanding of tradering who come back to the floor, but there was a waiver that was herequired of all trads that showed up today. as you know, chuck, that's hotly debated in washington. if companies should be excused from liability, if their employees contract the disease while they're at work. chuck? >> yeah, that is a tricky part of the next round of gloerkss that we know is coming. david gura in lower manhattan for us, thank you. and katy, that does it for us today. i think our producers are going to say you and i were a bit chatty today. i think we lost a segment somewhere in there. but we'll take our punishment, regroup, and see you tomorrow. thank you for trusting us. nicole wallace and brian williams pick things up right after this quick break. williams pick things up right

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and good day. brian williams with you here on this tuesday, post-holiday. it is 3:00 p.m. here in the west, 12:00 noon on the west coast. nicole wallace will be with us momentarily, but first, our look at the headlines and the facts as we know them at this hour. the united states as you no doubt well know is about to hit a grim milestone in the coronavirus pandemic.

nearly 100,000 americans have died from the virus, more than the total number of american service members who died in the korean and vietnam wars combined. president trump tweeted today that the death toll would have been far higher if he hadn't acted quickly to cut off travel from china. but a recent report from columbia university found that the number could have been far lower if social distancing would have went into effect sooner. the world health organization says there could be an immediate second peek in new cases in countries that ease restrictions too soon, even before a presumed wave likely this fall. health officials in missouri asking people who attended that jam-packed pool party at lake of the ozarks this past weekend to self-quarantine afterward. st. louis county urging its residents to stay away from that popular vacation spot.

new york governor andrew cuomo ran the opening bell as a few traders in masks returned to the nyse floor for the first time in over two months. trading has been done electronically since late march. stocks are surging today on optimism about the economy, coupled with optimism over the potential for a vaccine. and we are now joined by my colleague, nicole wallace, host of "decline: white house." nicole, it was a holiday weekend for those looking to our president, full of disappointment and people shaking their heads. >> yeah, and i think he was overshadowed by the reality that americans can hold two thoughts in their heads at at once regardless of their political affiliati affiliation. you have "the new york times" using the front page of their newspaper in a way that i don't know that they ever have, putting the names of just a fraction of the people who have lost their lives on that page.

i mean, this is a time of unthinkable loss. losses in numbers that nobody thought possible nine weeks ago. but you've also got people wearing masks and for the most part, social distancing, except in those pictures that we showed, and a few other places around the country, to understand that to get back out of our homes, we'll have to do that differently. and it's just remarkable that one of the choices for november is acting the way that 78% of americans say they're going took into account act, wearing a mask and social distancing and the other including this country's president isn't. and is spending all of his time and energy engaged in middle school-like twitter wars. and for the tyrimes in weeks, p

president trump acknowledged the death toll, but also used those tweets to praise his own response and attack his opponents. it comes one day after former vice president joe biden wore a mask at a memorial day wreath-laying ceremony in delaware, while president trump was not wearing a mask at all during visits to arlington cemetery and forth mchenry in baltimore. the president later retweeted a tweet that seemed to make fun of biden. it had a close-up picture of biden's face mask with the caption, this may help explain why trump doesn't like to wear a mask in public. it was sent by brit hume, who used to be a news anchor. joining us now, claire mccaskill, and peter baker -- did i skip over peter baker. peter baker, "new york times" chief white house correspondent, who wrote an unbelievable story, like one that will tell the history of this chapter of donald trump's presidency. peter baker, do you want to start and take us through your story? >> well, i thought it was a lot of what you were talking about here. we have this remarkable milestone, this tragic, terrible

moment where we are reaching about 100,000 deaths, the equivalent of the vietnam and korean wars combined and we don't hear much about that from the president, as you point out. until his his tweets today, he hadn't done much to talk about that in any real way. not to channel the nation's grief, not to touch on the great mourning that is happening out there in many communities. it's something that the white house seems to think that is not necessary. that in fact, what they need to talk about is how it's time to move forward and it could have been much worse. but the press secretary, kayleigh mcenany was asked about this at a briefing today and said the president did lower the flags over the weekend to mark the passage of these 100,000 americans, but only did that after the democrats were badgering him to do it. it's something he doesn't want to focus on. obviously, a president facing a re-election doesn't want to run on a record that includes so many deaths, but he's going to

have to explain that obviously. and what he wants to talk about instead is an economy that's going to start coming back. we'll see if it does. if the virus isn't beaten, it will cause real issues with the economy, as well. it's not a light switch that can turn on and off. >> you know, claire mccaskill, there's something of a false choice in there. i'm hoping that the economy does come back, but it doesn't mean to most people that wearing a mask is going to slow it down. you've got the president who is really taking his supporters for a ride here, with the suggestion that we can't do both. we can't keep the country safe, we can't stem further outbreaks by pulling back, if there are hot spots. that it's this either/or choice. and john heilemann reminded me on friday that the simple question of whether or not a candidate cares about people can be determinative of the outcome of a presidential election. donald trump failing miserably and way behind in the polls against joe biden. >> yeah, you know, peter's reporting and many other great

reporters in this country have revealed the truth of the matter. and that is that donald trump thinks he's the victim of this virus. that somehow this has been done to him. and he's never seen his role as someone to protect, to empathize, to be aggressive in terms of safety. only donald trump could make wearing a mask political. and what he has done is he has basically convinced people that if you're wearing a mask, you're somehow not manly. well, real men wear masks. donald trump is not a real man. joe biden was over the weekend. and from missouri, that lake is where i typically would be on a memorial day weekend, with my entire family. we have a place down there and we go there for holiday weekends, as many missouriens do. the people you saw in those pictures aren't from the lake. they're from kansas city and

iowa and kansas and arkansas. people come from all over the midwest. and it wasn't just one pool party, it was bar after bar, body-to-body, no face masks. and that is what he's role modeling. and frankly, a lot of the people in those crowds, they thought they were, you know, standing up for what the president believes in. and that is not to care about the public safety part of this. and now they're all going to go back to where they live. and i don't know if there'll be a spike in our states or other states as a result of their reckless behavior over the weekend, but you notice there wasn't one word from the president saying this was a bad thing. he's on their side, not on the side of safety. >> claire mccaskill on this subject, i approach as an unabashed friend of the court, having lived in -- >> yes, you are! >> -- lake of the ozarks was where we went on summer weekends to have fun. and it was heartbreaking to see

the pictures. and now, as a missourian, do you wait now the 3 to 14 days to find out where everybody went, talk about contact tracing! to see if people go back to these population centers. how much contact they have with people. if you had one positive case in that pool, it boggles the mind. >> yeah, and there were bars where there were bands performing and it was shoulder to shoulder bar -- you know, a bar called backwater jacks was one of them. another one was shady gator was another bar, where they had people in a -- and a band playing both nights with people just -- no masks in sight. so there may be people who are responding to polls who say that everyone should wear masks. and there may be, in some parts of my state, the majority of people that are wearing masks. but i can assure you, in trump country, masks are few and far between, and that included

everyone at the lake of the ozarks this previous weekend. >> peter baker, to a point you make all the time, it's not a gauzy, hazy view of the united states where we grew up to when we say that people do look to the president, to set a public example, i heard in an interview just this morning, with a young man in the upper peninsula of michigan stating flat-out, if he, meaning the president doesn't see the need to wear one, i don't either. and this is a time when people are watching their president. you don't need to be up with on followers on twitter to pick up on the news. they're watching him closely and in this case, they are not seeing an example, even further, they're seeing him not hue to the example called for by his government. >> well, that's exactly right. it matters when a president sets an example. people do follow the lead that a

president sets. we've seen this in the past. gerald ford got himself inoculated against a new flu strain back in 1976 when there was a worry about a pandemic. george w. bush got himself inoculated against small pox back when they were worried about chemical weapons during the iraq war, barack obama during h1n1. they set examples to try to say to the public, saying, this is important, i'm doing it and you should too. this president will say and his aides will say, this president is not at risk of causing other people harm. because he gets tested every day and tested negative, he doesn't need to wear it, because he's not likely to give the virus to anyone else because he doesn't have. that's the logic the white house is putting out. even if we accept that logic , it's a nuance that people out there watching tv may not pick up on. they'll simply say, he's not wearing one, i'm not wearing one either. especially if you retweet the one with biden mocking him, as

you point out. i think it does matter what a president does. people do follow the examples. remember now, the most infections and deaths so far have been in blue state areas. but the question now is what's going to happen in some of these other areas like the south and west that haven't been hit as strongly. we see double-digit decreases now in the weekly numbers of new cases in north carolina, south carolina, alabama, georgia, places that are trump country. places that have been opening up. and the question is, okay, are we beginning to see a new wave here that might actually effect places that haven't seen it so strongly before, that didn't have the kind of vulnerability that a new york or a new jersey had. >> claire, he also, i think, has the impact of blocking out all of the other voices, but here's one that broke through. this is the governor of north dakota who really is articulating, i think, the despair that most people feel that this debate about masks has become political at all. let's watch. >> if someone is wearing a mask,

they're not doing it to represent what political part they're in or what candidates they support. they might be doing it because they've got 5-year-old child who has been going through cancer treatments. they might have vulnerable adults in their life who are currently have covid and are fighting. so again, i would just love to see our state, as part of being north dakota smart, also be north dakota kind, north dakota everyo empathetic, north dakota understanding to do this thing. if somebody wants to wear a mask, there should be no mask shaming. >> claire mccaskill, i cried when i saw that, because somewhere in all of this, in peter's brilliant reporting, in the behavior that we showed, that i'm sure you're right, that's being modeled based on the president's scorning, showing disdain and scorn for science and for public safety, there are leaders out there

sumpsump simply trying to protect, as he said, maybe a 5-year-old with cancer. >> yeah, it's hard not -- and maybe because i can cry at commercials, you know, i'm not ashamed of the fact i cry easily, when i watched that video for the first time, i choked up. and maybe it's because i've got people in my family i worry about. and when i think of their safety, i realize that how others are viewing this impacts how healthy they can rep main. and so it is one of these things where that governor was really kind of showing an ethos of being what tim mcgraw would say is humble and kind. he was speaking from his heart. he was talking about kindness as a value. but how long has it been since the president of the united states conveyed anything close to humble or kind? i mean, this is a braggart, this is a liar, this is somebody who is mean and mean-spirited has

done terrible things to people unfairly, through the pinnacle of power in this world. and this virus hasn't been done to him, he has done bad in relation to this virus. >> to peter baker, to claire mccaskill, our starting guests today, thank you very much for helping us get this hour underway. a break for us. when we continue, the new fears of a resurgence of this virus. as we've been saying, as americans get out and in some cases gather in close proximity, in large groups over this holiday weekend. and later, the fbi is now investigating the death of a man in minneapolis after a police officer put his knee on his neck to control him. it stayed there for at least seven minutes. the mayor of minneapolis speaking for so many in this country states the obvious. being black in america should

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we're going to talk about this with a specialist in a bit. public health experts are warning there could be another spike in these new cases of coronavirus after large crowds gathered to celebrate the unofficial start of summer this past weekend. across our country, vacationers swarmed vacations and parks and parties and not everyone, of course, adhered to the social distancing guidelines.

most notably, that case we were just talking about in missouri, where hundreds of people gathered at a jam-packed pool party, lake of the ozarks. a new analysis by reid wilson of the publication "the hill" found that more than half the states reported a climb in new cases of coronavirus. there they all are, in the past week, and look at the american southeast, for starters. we are joined now by one of our expert guests, global health policy expert, dr. vin gupta. he is an assistant professor at the university of washington. also happens to be among our medical contributors. doctor, i was thinking of you for the following three points. number one, the w.h.o warning that what we may experience is a second spike in the first wave. i know this all sounds like normandy beach. not the second wave we're talking about in fall and winter, perhaps, but a second

spike in the first wave of the virus. point two, the w.h.o has quietly disbanded their test of hydroxychloroquine based on health concerns for the people enrolled in the test. that should tell you something. and number three, somebody on social media said over the weekend, the virus doesn't understand boredom. you may begin wherever you wish. >> brian, always good to see you, thank you. here's the thing, the w.h.o is looking at the evidence without any prior bias. and what they're seeing is what a lot of us in public health are seeing. for example, a study out of imperial college of london showed that 24 states in our union have an infection growth rate of covid-19 that's higher than we would like it to be. what does that mean? that's not urgent sounding enough. that actually means that if we let our guard down in those states, in the states that were

actually highlighted in the map, we have a risk of resurgence that could take us by surprise in a matter of days. not weeks, not months, not fall wave, in a matter of days. this is the thing about infectious diseases like covid-19. one person infected can infect ten others. it's called exponential growth rate. that's what we're seeing in those 24 states. florida, georgia, alabama. leaders in reopening, leaders in saying, we're going to sideline our scientists, our public health experts or manipulate the data, these are the states that we're most concerned about. so of course the w.h.o and dr. michael ryan, who's heading the covid response, is issuing that warning, because countries like us, like brazil, like russia haven't done what it takes to have a unified approach. is it any wonder that president trumps, bolsonaro, and putin are overseeing the three worst outbreaks in the world? no, it isn't. this should be concerning to us all. and we've talked about this at length.

this is the results of just poor leadership at the top, lack of testing, lack of consistent messaging on masks. i could go on. >> doctor gupta, i tuned into a few minutes of rush limbaugh today in my car, and this is something brian has been talking about for weeks. there are two different realities about the very same virus. if you could hijack the airwaves of a program like rush limbaugh, which reaches russia's base, unfortunately, for donald trump is bigger and more vast than trump's base, if you could reach all of those people, what are the two things you would ask them to do? >> number one, i would say -- and i'm from rural ohio, as is my wife, so this advice should not be viewed through a partisan lens. we're all americans, we all want what's best for each other, ideally. i want what's best for the president's health. but what i would say number one

is is it more inconvenient to wear a mask or be on a ventilator? the reason why i'm saying that is it's extremely -- this virus is coming for us all, whether we like it or not. it's coming for us all. i've seen young individuals with a stroke in the setting of covid-19 that were previously healthy 48 hours prior, on a ventilator, their parents can't even see them because we don't allow visitors to actually be in the room. this can come for us all, regardless of your political beliefs, that's number one. and number two, trust science and trust what the public health experts are saying. i don't want to wear a mask if i can avoid. i want to reengage just like you do. i'm talking to my friends back in ohio, who we may be voting for different people, doesn't really matter. we should all be trusting science at our core. trust people who want what's best for you. but i would start with number one, nicole. everybody can end up on a ventilator. what's more inconvenient? a mask in public or going on a

ventilator? >> do you think an image of rush limbaugh in a mask would save the lives of some of his listeners? is there a vacuum now because of trump's defiance of science? >> i think rush limbaugh is a surrogate for the president and speaks in such toxic ways that, no, i don't think rush limbaugh in and of himself is going to be all that influential. i think it's actually the president. we need the president at the very top to message and to do what joe biden did. and just say, you know what, this is above politics. i'm doing what's best for the country, both red and blue. he should wear the mask. he should tell rand paul to stop flouting the rules and be the only senator who, by the way, was infected with covid-19 going to capitol hill and doesn't wear a mask. doesn't make any sense. vice president pence, his top surrogates who wear a mask, start with the president, i don't really care what rush limbaugh does. >> i would take call of them in

ma mask. >> thanks for both your passion and your expertise, dr. gupta. we greatly appreciate dr. vin gupta for coming on and helping us out with our coverage today. the doctor mentioned brazil. the u.s. is now moving up its travel ban to include brazil, with exceptions, though, as cases there skyrocket and where have we heard this before? with talk of fake news and hydroxychloroquine, the president of brazil may be making a bad situation worse. it's best we stay apart for a bit,

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there are exceptions to it and we remind you, flights continue to land in this country from china, but the trump administration's new travel ban, as it's called, on brazil, will take effect tonight after the white house moved up the ban due to skyrocketing cases of coronavirus. brazil is now only second to the u.s. in confirmed cases. as of now, there are over 370,000 confirmed cases of covid-19 nationwide. even as the death toll continues to surge there, the president of brazil consistently deflects any blame for the explosive outbreak. he closely aligns himself, as you may know, president trump. he has