you're looking live at the kennedy space center in florida, where just a few moments ago the spacex nasa launch, which would have sent two americans into orbit from u.s. oil for the first time in nearly a decade, was scrubbed due to weather. they've been worried about the weather all day. finally, they made that call. the president was on site hoping to watch this historic launch

but everyone will have to wait another few days at least. perhaps saturday. we'll have more on this story coming up. welcome to wednesday. it is "mpt daily" and i'm chuck todd. we return to rather grim matters facing this country. just a few moments ago the grim number of coronavirus deaths surpassed 100,000. it's roughly the same number of american that's lost their lives in korean war, gulf war, iraq war and war in afghanistan combined. and for whatever reason, whether it's strategic, a distraction tactic, something else entirely, the president seems to be testing the limits of what kind of un-presidential behavior he can get away with at this point. he's repeatedly pushed baseless conspiracy theories about mail-in voting that could throw the country's election into chaos during this pandemic. twitter took an unprecedented step for them, fact-checking tweets about the mail-in voting and now threatening to shut down some of the president's platforms a as he uses twitter

and members of the press, who happens to be my msnbc colleague joe scarborough, is somehow a murderer. it is a level of behavior that is prompting some of the country's more conservative editorial pages to question the president's fitness for office. it's been mostly silence from elected republican leaders. the crisis of this pandemic, the scrutiny it has generated, not to mention declining poll numbers nationally in the battleground states seemingly brought out the president's most fujle list tick impulses. we don't know for sure what comes next or how high this death toll ultimately will go. joining me now is my msnbc colleague hans nichols. hans, again, you had the president on one hand, i get it, on the launch. this is perhaps an exciting moment for the country. we can question whether this is the right time to try something like this. that's a separate discussion. cheerleading on that is one

thing. but it is sort of a jarring picture, today is the day we leap over the 100,000 mark. the president really hasn't done anything to mark the occasion in any form. he really does seem to resist playing mourner in chief, i guess. >> it's always a difficult role for any president. you heard the president at memorial day at fm mchenry mention those who died from covid complications. that's one of the moments he came out and said it. the last few days he's been more focused, as you mentioned, his other feuds. when he was asked about them, our own kelly o'donnell was traveling to florida and seemed to give him an opportunity to say why now are you going to mark this moment? and he seemed to be suggesting it's an important signal to go down to florida to watch this launch. talk about military, he talked about the space force. now everything had to be scrubbed. he's flying back. we will see if he engages with reporters and see if we get our

daily dose of reporters in today. the president, as we all know, likes the interaction and likes the cameras. when he lands in the south lawn if the weather is good enough, there's an opportunity and that may be a moment for him to weigh in and perhaps offer comfort to americans that are going through this and seeing the numbers so high. >> does he want to do that? or is he itching for a fight? i want to put up this tweet from earlier today, the radical left mainstream media together with their partner do-nothing democrats are trying to spread a new narrative i was distracted during covid-19. wrong. i was doing the ban on china long before anyone thought was necessary. the biggest question i have there is the emphasis on the word new narrative. it's sort of been an ongoing narrative. >> right. and the president has been defensive about this and actions he's taken at the end of january on china. that's part of his stock and trade in his defense of what his administration did.

in general -- and we don't quite have a readout of what he did with andrew cuomo in new york, but in general he wanted to turn the page, he wanted to talk about next steps. he's less interested in focusing on the covid and pandemic response. you saw that yesterday in the rose garden where mike pence was literally the one giving the update on the coronavirus and the president spent time talking about diabetes and insulin. pence was leading it. but pence talking about the daily level numbers down to 500. but the day isn't over. the president has an opportunity. let's see what he says. >> it is. joining me on the phone, we're having a few tech issues with internet connectivity so we will use the old-fashioned telephone with cara fisher, host and contributor and carlos will

use the ancient tool called a telephone. we all may be able to work from home but sometimes technology doesn't help out. cara and carlos, i want you to tackle two different aspects. twitter's decision, i have to say, you and i have discussed this before that he sort of went -- to me, they picked the wrong fight. if they're going to fact check the president, they have 535 members of congress. there are a lot of people to fact-check to go down that avenue. as you suggested, they could have deleted these harassment tweets with the widower and been done with this. why did they choose this path? >> they don't have to do all of them. lots of people blow stop signs and all kinds of things and not everybody gets checked for it. i think the issue is an enormous task. they're going to have to figure out a way to monitor in some way but it's called enforcement. in this case they have given the

president carte blanche for years now. he's pretty much the only person on the planet who has carte blanche. even other world leaders had tweets taken down like bolsonaro and others. so this is sort of their enforcement thing. i think they don't have to do everybody else, and they don't have to do it equally. they can just call out really egregious uses of twitter. i think getting that puts us in a situation where it's impossible to do, which it in fact is. >> carlos, is this on twitter or is this on the republican party, inability to sort of to rein in president trump? >> well, chuck, i think it's on everyone, and i would say in a lot of ways,ing it's on the american people. a lot of americans have built a tolerance for dishonesty and misinformation as long as it's their team that's propagating it. ultimately, i believe in the

market system and what all americans need to do, no matter their political affiliation, is just demand the truth. you know, as far as twitter's decision, i think they probably created a new problem because once you start fact checking, people start asking who are the fact checkers? and that's going to be put into question. but ultimately, chuck, i think it's on us, on each of us to say, look, we're not going to tolerate dishonesty. these are things that our parents and probably grandparents taught us when we were kids. >> let me ask you this, and in some ways we already know the answer and we've had this discussion before. we've explained why many elected republicans don't bother with the day-to-day criticisms anymore. they saw what happened to jack flake. they saw what happened to bob corker. but it seems as if they've been bullied to not ever say anything.

is this -- right now, it's mitt romney, liz cheney and add up kinzington and that's it. >> no, chuck, this is a real problem. republicans do need to stand up and do need to awake from this slump or anything. he misbehaves and some accept it. but this is not a game. this is about life and death. this is about the future of our country and the world. so when it comes to our natural politics, the standard has to be higher and there can't be no tolerance for these kinds of misleading statements that, you know, just confuse people. and and sow distrust and chaos. many. >> kara, i want to go back to twitter.

their decision to put this little fact check thing, how are they not a publisher now? >> they are a publisher. i have always said that, as you know. >> i know you have. but isn't this more proof? >> they all make these decisions every day. facebook does it, twitter does it. they already are doing this, by the way. this is not a fresh, new thing. they exercised that editorial judgment almost continually. it's just not with president trump, and that's what is different here. i really do like what the congressman said but the fact of the matter is it isn't on the american people all the time because lt amount of weaponization of all of in information, when you lard in all of these bots from ma nerve leapt countries, when you lard in people trying to abuse the system, when you put all of this together it's almost impossible to understand the onslaught of information. and that is on the technology companies to clean up. it just is. and that's the difference here between what our grandparents knew. everybody saw the same bad ad and that could be found out. in this case it's a million lies to a million different people and it's very hard to discern

the truth from lies. it's not just advertising, it's conscience. >> that's why truck kara's approach is to take down misinformation. >> okay. but then you're -- >> yeah. >> i take your point there but what is the line, when does that become censorship? one person's misinformation is another person's censorship. i'm not trying to create false equivalencies here but that seems like a slippery slope, no, carlos? >> it is. look, my prayers were with the country when the government started censoring different media outlets. but this is different. twitter owns their space. they can say they took it down and why. look, there's no perfect solution. but i think this fact checking is going to be problematic. >> let me ask you this, kara, i think that if -- if the widower decided to file a lawsuit

against twitter, i think he can get somewhere. >> well, we'll see. i understand you can't libel someone who's died but there is certainly -- certainly would be an interesting case. one of the things that's really hard again here like if you talked about in ermz it of misinformation and censorship, everyone really needs to have a copy of the constitution read it. the first amendment zdoesn't guarantee free speech. it guarantees congress should make no law abridging free speech. it's very clear, and freedom of the press. this is a very different thing. twitter is a private company. it is owned by billionaires. so is facebook. so are they all, so is google. these are not public spaces. they're private spaces. they can make rules and they do make rules. that's the distinguishing thing that's gotten lost here is that this is not a public space and you don't have a right to say whatever you you want, they can do anything they want at any time.

>> kara, this has to be business pressure. for instance, the decision, it seems as if twitter is smart enough to basically figure out how to weed out bots. i'm not saying bots can't get through, you're not going to have it. >> oh, they've had real problems with covid misinformation. >> that's my point. do they want to get rid of bots or not? do you believe they want to get rid of the bot problem? >> yes, of course. it's not good for business. we're not technical people but technical people i talk to, this is a difficult issue. and technology is changing quickly and it's hard to stay ahead of it. i just did a great podcast today with experts on this and was misinformation and disinformation, which are different things, is happening around things like covid and other things. they really do stay ahead of the next thing and that's the problem here. >> carlos, i'm curious, the trashing of mail-in voting that the president is doing, can you win an election in florida as a republican if you start convincing republicans and

snowbirds that mail-in voting is corrupt? >> the president's attacks on mail-in voting could be very detrimental to him here in florida. the great irony is that mail voting in florida was made popular by republicans. the republican party of florida has invested tens of millions of dollars over the last couple of decades in getting their supporters to vote by mail. and with the president undermining this, and putting it into question and making people paranoid about whether or not they can vote by mail, hey, in florida, that may mean a lot of seniors, who perhaps would be inclined to vote for the president, may not vote or may wait to see if they go vote in person and decide it's too risky to do so at some point. there's a great irony here in florida. republicans have kind of become specialists in mail voting. and now they have their own

president sowing doubts about it. so it's definitely, it can definitely come back to bite them if it's a close race here in florida. >> before i let you go, the report that we learned that facebook did an internal analysis that indicated, yes, perhaps essentially the algorithms are creating political divide. the algorithms are helping to sort of forth more political division and facebook executives essentially shrugged it off? >> yes, that's a "the wall street journal" piece and really disturbing. they have actually just written a column for "the times" about this. what it showed in this article is a lot of the decision making on the platform of views issue are being led by political people like joel caplan, who works there. so that's one of the issues. it's not clear who's making the decisions here and for what reason. and a lot of them are for political reasons and not platform abuse issues and

societal good. so they just sort of bring into relief again the fact that these are businesses owned by billionaires aimed at making money. so the reason why engagement leads to enragement is it's good for business, like it was for cigarette manufacturers or anybody else. at some point someone's got to figure out how to regulate them properly without cautioning innovation. >> as you said, both facebook and twitter work is intended, that that is what it is, the emotional appeal to it is how you build a business. >> yep, exactly. they're built that way. that's why they operate this way. and that's why donald trump is probably the best user of twitter. it was built for him. >> all right. kara swisher, carlos thank you both very much. sorry about the technical problems but you p both look

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welcome back. minneapolis mayor james frey is calling for the arresting officer to be charged in the case of a black man who died after a police officer held him to the ground under his knee on his neck for severn minutes. this comes as new video emerged from floyd and police officers in the moments before he was pinned down by the officer in the video. originally obtained by "the washington post," two police officers and we do not know either of them were the officer who held his knee on floyd's neck, removed floyd from the car

and handcuffed him. throughout the video floyd appears to be complying with the officers. another police officer shows up season he moves across the street. after that point, we can no longer see what happens. both public outrage and confidential nation has been swift. the four officers involved were fired yesterday afternoon. protesters converged on the scene of the arrest last night. the fbi is currently conducting an investigation alongside the minnesota bureau of criminal apprehension. to speak with the mayor of minneapolis in a moment, but first let's bring in our own shaq brewster, who's been covering this story on the ground in minneapolis. what more have we learned today? and boy, that new video and the video of where the knee is on the officer, there's obviously some missing moments here. have we been able to fill in the gaps here of what happened in between those moments we've seen on video? >> chuck, you have that gap of time where you see that surveillance video where mr. floyd is taken out of the car, handcuffed, walked over to the wall and sat down and engages in

mild conversation with the officers. and then the video from the facebook, where you see the officer's knee on mr. floyd's neck. we know there's body cam footage and that's what investigators both from the fbi and state investigative team, that's what they're going to be looking at. there's actually a push right now, and you're hearing a push from the mayor, from the governor, to also make that body camera image and that video public. what we're also hearing and what you hear from the family are the direct calls, the pleas to have these officers called with criminal prosecution, face criminal prosecution. there are protest everies still here. we see protesters all day. we saw the large-scale protests last night and on the other side of this building there have been a couple hundred protesters and that's their main message. see the officers fired and face some sort of criminal prosecution. what we do know is that will be in the hands of whatever we have from the investigation and what we hear from the county prosecutor and that's the point

the mayor's been making, it's up to the county prosecutor now to file those charges, the charges the family is calling on and charges the protesters are calling for. chuck? >> and shaq, what do we know about any protests again planned for tonight? we saw what happened last night. it got pretty heated there for a while. >> right. you have protesters on the other side. they're right now a few hundred and it's been gathering as the hours have been going on. we know yesterday what happens and what you saw there was a huge protest, one of the -- a city council member told me it was actually the largest scale protest she's seen in terms of protest against police but the largest she's seen in some time, in minneapolis, a place that had police protests very regularly as you hear the ambulance rolling by. but what you saw last night what the large-scale protest, the protesters march down by a mile and a half to the precinct and that's when things turn. that's when you saw rocks being

thrown and bottles being thrown at officers and officers responding with rubber bullets and tear gas. i know behind me there are new barricades set up protecting the vehicles and cars behind me. remains to be seen what will be seen tonight but as you look on social media and talk to the leaders like i am, there's anger there and they want to express that anger peacefully for the most part but express that anger until they have charges, until they see charges are filed against the officers. chuck? >> shaq brewster, thank you very much. i'm joined now on the phone -- as i said, we have a few technical issues here, by the minneapolis mayor jacob frey. mayor, i'm sorry, i said your first name as somebody with two first names. i get that quite a bit myself. my apologies for that. mr. mayor,ing you said this is really obviously very painful for you watching this. i know your campaign, you talk

about this issue of excessive force and you didn't want to see a militarized police force. now you're mayor and this has happened on your watch. what do you think you need to do about it? >> first we need to be honest, and call a spade a spade. when we see our white officer place his knee on the neck of an unarmed, handcuffed man for five whole minutes, and you watch community that is clearly stating let him go. he's no threat to anyone. you hear -- you hear george himself explaining that he's experiencing all sorts of health considerations and he's worried for his own life, and there was every single decision to lift the knee from his neck, and he did not. the first piece is we need to be absolutely honest about what happened. yes, there does need to be change.

as i mentioned, i'm calling -- first of all, the chief made a decision to terminate fuall fou officers yesterday involved. >> mr. mayor, let me pause you on that. that happened very fast. in other instances we've seen police unions essentially prevent that. are you expecting the police union to push back on this instant firing? >> i don't know exactly what we expect from the police union, but what we saw in those five minutes runs totally against everything that chief arredondo and i have been trying to instill in our police department, the procedural justice of compassion. this was wrong at a very human level. and it needs to be scald what it is. >> have you seen the body camera footage? have you seen everything? >> i have not seen everything.

but i obviously did see the video that the rest of the public saw, and it is horrific. and it's difficult because there are these precedents and protocols that are like baked into the walls of city hall. they have institutions like this one that will give you a thousand reasons not to do something, not to speak out, not to move too quickly. i have been wrestling with more than -- over the last 36 hours on basic question of why is -- this man who killed george floyd not in jail, and i cannot come up with a good answer. so i am calling on our head of county attorney to act on the evidence before him and i'm calling on him to charge the arresting officer. >> you think the other officer should be charged with accessory? >> the video evidence that i have seen is predominantly of the one individual officer.

obviously between the chief and i, we felt that there was enough information out there to say the other officers should be terminated. but i don't take these decisions lightly. this is very serious. and i don't want to be judge and jury here. but i represent a city. and this is a city that will not stand by this kind of violence, this kind of wrongdoing. >> the police force policy in minneapolis does allow for choke holds and strangleholds. do you want to see that policy revisited? >> first, it's neither a chokehold or stranglehold. this was a knee on the neck. nothing about this particular technique was authorized. nothing about this particular technique is taught in our training. and so, yes, this was an absolute violation but moreover, this is not a matter of making a

split-second wrong decision. this is not how most officer-involved shootings often take place. this is over a period of five minutes. and that, to me, is perhaps the most troubling. there was every opportunity to take his knee away from his neck, to allow a man to live, and that did not happen. so we cannot turn a blind eye on this. it's on us as leaders to see this for what it is. >> your city, some would argue it's a pretty segregated city. how do you bring the city together? how do you prevent protests from escalating? >> you mentioned segregation, and pushing back on some of intentional segregation that we've seen over the last, you know, 100 years, whether it's restrictive covenance that run

with the land or intentional segregation or separating communities from some of their most vital assets, that's something that's always been a passion for me. now in many senses that passion needs to take a back seat for what we're working on right now, which is ensuring justice is done and making sure the people of minneapolis are safe. clearly, clearly, we have a whole lot of work to do. we do need a culture shift in how our police department operates. and i will say our chief arredondo, he does an incredible job. he has full support within our -- great support within our black community here in the city. he's well respected by chiefs nationwide. and he has my support as well. and, you know, we are very much working towards a shift in culture. and part of that starts with accountability now, recognizing the wrongs when they occur.

and i hear a lot of people talk about healing. yes, healing needs to take place but right now the bleeding needs to stop too. >> mayor jacob frey, i'm going to leave it there. i think you just put that very well. can't start healing until the bleeding stops. good luck to your city, sir. and i know like a lot of mayors in a lot of places, you've got a hot spot right now and icu bed issues. good stuff and stay safe out there. >> which you, chuck. you too. up ahead -- no go at kennedy space center. spacex is scrubbed due to bad weather. we will talk to someone who knows about it firsthand, former astronaut mary ellen webber.

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"dragon spacex," unfortunately, we're not going to launch today. you're go for 5.1-00 launch scrub. >> 5.100. it was a good effort by the launch team. we will meet you there. welcome back. as we told you at the top of the last hour, the launch was scrubbed due to bad weather. spacex will try again saturday to launch the "crew dragon." if stu successful it will be the first rocket to carry americans into orbit in nearly a decade and spacex's first successful launch

of its capsule with humans on board a private enterprise. think of it as sort of moving from a national airline, i guess, to suddenly allowing private airlines. with me now is mary ellen weber, former astronaut who was part of two shuttle missions for nasa. i'm struck that you told my producer, because i have been both excited and nervous about this launch at the same time, you said when i think about today's flight in a new vehicle, i'm holding my breath that i would still go. i'm sitting here and my nervousness was my goodness, why today? we're in the middle of this pandemic. should we have waited a month or two? weather delayed it now. . should we be nervous? how nervous should we be, dr. weber? >> well, go into space is a very, very risky business. in the shuttle days, the odds of the -- calculated odds of not coming home, my first flight were 1 in 100. my second flight a little bit better, 1 in 250. right now both boeing and spacex

with the vehicles that nasa has contracted them to build, which is "dragon capsule," they're trying to desperately need this target in 1 in 270. so really with all of the amazing technical advances that are in this new rocket ship, still, when you're trying to go to space, it's a very dangerous and risky proposition. so i'm holding my breath. but at the same time, like you said, i would go in a heartbeat because to be part of a new program, the next step in creating the space-bearing civilization, i certainly wouldn't pass that up. >> you know, there's part of me that thinks this feels we're having this debate and i know there's a big debate, do you involve the private sector into the space program? and i thought one of the best comparisons was look, a lot of countries you help an industry like an airline industry off the ground, and then it becomes privatized over time. this has been difficult to do with the space program though. and that is still the ultimate

goal, no? >> well, it is a challenge when you try to privatize it. many because typically, there are more private customers out there. until now and even today, to a large extent, all of the customers are governments. it's very expensive to go into space. and so it's not so much just helping out the private sector,ing it's really funding them almost part and parcel to create these new vehicles. and so nasa has paid for the vipment of this vehicle and yet they don't own it. and so that is really the rub. that is really the crux of the mat every. at any time nasa, taxpayer dollars have gone in to creating the spacecraft and yet at any point in time, private owners, spacex and elon musk, could pull the plug. there's no indication that that's going to happen, but i

think that's why back in the days it was actually under the obama administration when the decision was made to go commercial and commercial crew that so much of the industry and so much of congress and even my colleagues, many astronauts, were dead set against this privatization, so to speak, because this is a national asset that we're putting in the hands of private companies. >> so should we think of nasa in the future, is it going to be like the faa, almost like they will manage launches into space and that sort of thing as these private companies -- and i assume if spacex is successful, i know i think jeff bezos has his own space company, there are a few others working on it, is that what we're looking at here? >> no, not really. and because nasa's still the biggest customer, still governments are the biggest customer, nasa by and large will be buying those seats. and so unlike the faa, who is

not necessarily booking flights on a different airline, you know, nasa is paying for those seats and are the biggest customers. >> what -- if this is successful, what do the next ten years look like? will we look like we will start to see a lot more folks going up into space over the next decade? >> certainly the possibility is there. both boeing and spacex will have the right to sell their seats, and there may be some folks who are willing to go. but i really want to stress just how dangerous it still is to this day to go into space. and everybody's talking about space tourism. it's not like an airplane. in fact, if airlines had the same risk of crashing, of having a catastrophic event and loss of life and crew, there would be

1,000 commercial crashes every single day. 1,000 every single day. and that just is one metric that you can use to put it into perspective. and so when i went -- and i'm sure that the astronauts today when they go, it's not about having a joy ride. it is truly about the honor of being able to contribute to this next step in civilization moving forward. and to me, that was worth the risk, and i think it's true for most astronauts. and i would like to think that, you know, potential space tourists also see a bigger purpose instead of just getting a great view or, you know, a fun days or months up there. >> just because you can afford it. mary ellen weber, that's a great message. don't just be a space tourist because you can. that's a good way of putting it. ment anyway, still going to be exciting and we will all be

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. welcome back. coronavirus testing has been a serious problem in this country from the beginning of this pandemic. now we have another issue to add to the piling of testing concerns. the cdc is now warning the coronavirus antibody test could be accurate less than half the time. the antibody test should tell us where the virus has been, versus the diagnostic test, which tells us who has the vieshous rigviru. we know those antibody are less reliable athan the diagnostic test but until the cdc warning, we didn't have the degree of inaccuracy. joining me now is dr. redliner, director for university of columbia university national disease preparedness and msnbc analyst. i'll tell you, last week we saw

the cdc was mixing its antibody test data with diagnostic test data. and a week later saying, oh, by the way, i don't know if we trust any of this antibody testing. let me ask you this, is there any antibody test on the market that is reliable yet? >> i don't know about on the market, chuck, but there are very reliable tests being done by some academic centers like mt. sinai in new york, nyu, columbia university and a number of places out west. commercially available tests, which basically the fda pushed out in a hurry with these so-called emergency use authorizations, are turning out to be a disaster. same is true for some of the diagnostic tests that are being proven that way by the fda. we do have a problem that needs to be dealt with like immediately however. >> it does seem as if we're watching and the cdc has now indicated 15 states are separating their diagnostic from antibody, basically implying that the others haven't. it looks like they're trying to fix their data but i'm just

curious, are you relying on cdc data right now? >> i don't know what to rely on. none of us do really. georgia actually had 57,000 tests that they counted as diagnostic tests that were actually serological, imlogical tests. there's total confusion all over the country. a lot of random acts of testing that have given us a patchwork of reliability, which is the last thing we need right now. so i think we really have to get this straightened out right away because obviously as we're rushing to reopen, chuck, we have to really understand where we are, how many people have it, where are they? are basherbers and people who w in the restaurants having unreliable immunological tests out there, it's just throwing a monkey wrench into our ability to get a handle on if it's safe or not. especially now that we're reopening, chuck.

>> i want to play for you something governor cuomo said to me when i was talking about nursing homes. i want you to hear what he said and i'm curious your reaction. take a listen. >> if i were advising a friend, i would say you have a vulnerable person, best to keep them at home and not put them in a congregate facility. keep them in a situation where you have the most control. that is the blunt truth. that is what i would do with my mother. >> basically the governor is saying he would not -- the question i suppose posed to him, would you advise somebody to put a family member right now in a senior facility given what we're dealing with? and his instinct was no. the reason i asked this question, dr. redlener, are we confident these senior facilities can be kept safe from this pandemic? >> no, and i totally agree with governor cuomo. i also would not put any

relative or friend if anybody asked me into a congregate facility right now. it's easy to sort of say that, chuck, the problem is whether should people be? if you don't have a huge home and you can separate grandma from other people because she's at risk, that's fine. but a lot of americans, a lot of people in new york and all other major cities, have very small housing, very tiny apartments. and the separation would be to have, and testing we need to get done, is just not there yet. it's like with the rushing to reopen businesses, there's a lot of problems yet but i think governor cuomo is exactly right and what i think all of us should take heed about because those facilities are not yet safe enough to put an older person at risk in there at this point unfortunately, chuck. >> doctor, i have to leave it there. we had some tech issues and

things got piled up at the top 6789 i appreciate you making it and glad we got your video up and running and i appreciate you sharing your expertise with our viewers. >> any time, chuck. thanks. many. >> you got it. up next -- you can bet on big changes for the gaming indu of coronavirus. we'll take you to a casino reopening in oklahoma, right after this. okay, where were we? yeah, i'm done after this meeting. we're just going over how people who switch to progressive can save hundreds. hey mara! - yeah jamie's the guy running it. - mara, you're not on mute. i once had to fake jury duty to get out of talking about his yogurt preferences. mara, you know you're not on mute, right? oh, there's a mute button? yeah, that's flo! the one who looks like she'd smile while she sleeps. flo: i always smile. mara: that's why i said that.

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mgm announced they'll be opening the bellagio, the new york, new york and mgm grand. but some have already opened their doors like the windstar in oklahoma. msnbc got a glimpse of how they're handling the new normal there. let's take a look. >> you'll see that we have every other seat empty. everybody will be wearing face masks and gloves. we put separators so that as people are getting cash out of the machine, there is a separator between people doing transactions. we've installed glass barriers between the employee and the customer. on the floor we have reminders to stay six feet apart. >> joining me now from that windstar casino and resergeant on their reopening day is our own morgan chesky. morgan, as i'm watching all that, it seems like the casinos are all about just being in the casino. no more buffets, no more shows, none of that?

>> yeah, it's enough to bring a tear to a glass eye, chuck. we're seeing a lot of changes put in place due to covid-19. the shows aren't back yet. the social distancing is in place. the buffets are on hold. at least from the folks we've encounter heard in windstar in southern oklahoma, they're just excited to at least be back, although the environment that they encounter when they walk inside going to be markedly different. they're not going to be able to play the poker, the black jack, any of the table games. that's still suspended at this point in time. so is offtrack betting. you can sit at a slot machine with a mask on, socially distanced from your nearest patron, and you can continue to play that way. meantime, the employees that show up here are checked temperature-wise every day, and they've already been all tested and will continue to be tested randomly every two weeks going forward. those are just some of the changes that people will likely see, at least here in oklahoma. we know that the tribal gaming industry is pretty massive

across the entire country. here in the state alone, it has a $10 billion footprint that they're trying now to regain with this big reopening. chuck? >> morgan, how soon do they think they can do table games? what you're describing, boy, that's video poker. that's individual slots. they'll lose. that's the internet if they're not careful. they need these table games if they're going to make a profit. >> right. they're in ongoing talks as we speak, trying to figure out how to bring the table games back. they don't have a hard date set, but do expect some sort of plexiglas divider between the player and the dealer going forward. and they're also trying to figure out a way how they can clean all of the chips. such a tactile experience at casinos. still, quite a few things to be figured out. chuck? >> there is. i have a feeling we're going get virtual chips some day. morgan chesky with that report. morgan, thank you, and we'll be right back.

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that's all we have for tonight. we will be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." and wednesday an all new chuck toddcast. i'm talking veepstakes. they believe they're going to get somebody they've endorsed before on that ticket. so they have a lot to say about this. download it now wherever you get your podcasts. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. good evening, ari. >> good evening, chuck. thank you very much. and welcome to "the beat with ari melber." thanks for joining me right now. i want to tell you first we have something very special that we as a team have been working very hard on. if you happen to watch this show, you may know that sometimes we try to dig in deeper and give you something beyond the daily headlines or the daily donald trump. and we have that tonight. it is a special report on the science and the medical history of how we got here, where we're going, what we can learn from it, and how donald trump repeatedly ignored or even retaliated against the very people who got the coronavirus pandemic right. t