♪ that does it for "the beat." keep it right here on msnbc. good evening from new york. i'm steve kornacki. the united states has reached a sobering milestone in its battle with the coronavirus pandemic. more than 100,000 americans have now lost their lives to this virus. this in just four months, less than four months, in fact, since that first confirmed death back in february. and 1.7 million people now have confirmed as a positive case for this virus. today, a model frequently cited

by doctors from the white house task force issued a new projection of the potential death toll from the virus. the institute for health metrics and evaluation estimated that by early august, nearly 132,000 americans will be dead from the virus. while the death count is still climbing, the number of new cases nationally is now continuing along a slow and steady decline. testing has also increased. and the rate of tests coming back positive has also declined. all 50 states have now begun some form of phased reopening of their economies. some moving faster than others, all with some restrictions still in place. as these reopenings proceed and the warm weather months arrive, health experts are warning of a potential new spike in cases. a new study from china today also suggests the number of asymptomatic cases could be much larger than previously thought. but also that those individuals may not spread the virus for as long as symptomatic patients do. this report was based on 78

people, all with the coronavirus in wuhan where it all started. quo quoting from the report, a little more than half the patients, 58%, had symptoms. 42% did not. meanwhile the centers for disease control today warned that antibodies should not be relied upon for determining when to return to work, saying, quote, less than half those testing positive will truly have antibodies. today dr. anthony fauci also said the united states could potentially avoid a second wave of the virus in the fall if states open correctly. >> we often talk about the possibility of a second wave or of an outbreak when you're reopening. we don't have to accept that as an inevitability. particularly when people are starting to think about the fall. and i want people to really appreciate that. it could happen but it is not inevitable. >> and for more i'm joined by dr. leana wen, emergency physician and public health

proi professor at george washington university and lonnie chen from the hoover institution. thank you both for joining us. the idea that this feared second wave coming in the fall or in the winter could be avoided or limited in its severity if states reopen in smart way, 50 states are now, as we said, in some form of reopening. all of them have requirements about social distancing. some are allowing more businesses than others to reopen. but all are beginning to go about this. let me just put the same question to both of you. i'll start with you, dr. wen. do you think the reopenings we are seeing right now, broadly speaking, are being done in a smart way? >> broadly speaking, no. all we have to do is look at the pictures from this last memorial day to know that there is widespread misunderstanding about what reopening means. it does not mean that somehow the virus has changed, because it has not. we are still looking at a very

contagious disease. and unfortunately, people are misunderstanding this. we actually should be even more on guard than before. people haven't going back to work. if people are going to be interacting with each other more, this one we need to be doing even more in our social lives to reduce physical distancing, to continue aggressive hand hygiene, wearing masks, so we can rein in this virus as much as possible. d i do agree with dr. fauci that this is not inevitable, it's not as if we're looking at a hurricane that is coming to us anyway. there is something we can do. we need to be ramping up testing, tracing, isolation capacity. at the same time individuals need to see that our actions today will influence what happens to our country tomorrow. >> lonnie chen, let me bring you in with the same question. how do you think the reopening is going right now? do you think this is being done in a smart way? >> i think the answer is it depends. i think in some states you're seeing the right measures being

taken. i think you're seeing a nice glide slope in some states where they're trying to reopen jush y judiciously while a lot of people have reached containment with staying in, they don't feel like they're able to do so as effectively anymore. i think governors, policymakers in all these states are trying to figure out how do you balance between the need to continue to open judiciously, smartly, and safely, while also recognizing that people have a service limit when it comes to staying indoors. we have to make all of these decisions tempered by the reality that human behavior is going to influence a lot about what happens going forward. to dr. fauci's point, yes, it is entirely possible the united states could avoid an adverse outcome with a second wave. but a lot of that depends on compliance. when you have a regulation that a lot of people aren't complying with in any case, you have to

ask, how do you create the policy levers to people will be responsible to the right kinds of regulatory input, so people respond, while recognizing that people want to get outside and socialize again. we have to balance all those interests. >> we talk about what is and isn't reopening, more and more leisure activities are starting to reopen, indoors and outdoors. today most casinos in oklahoma have been allowed to reopen. guests and employees must wear masks and have temperatures checked at the door. mgm resorts announced they'll reopen four of their las vegas properties on june 4 with restrictions although guests are only encouraged to wear masks there. in florida, several theme parks said they will reopen. disney world said it will reopen parts of its parks on july 11. temperature readings and masks will be required. dr. wen, at least some of the

questions that have been coming to me as i watch these reopenings play out in states, is it indoors or is it outdoors? i see all these pictures of people gathering outside and i wonder, is that significantly safer than gathering -- what do we know about the difference between an outdoor venue reopening and an indoor venue reopening when it comes to safety? >> so we know a lot more about covid-19 than we did a couple of months ago including that we know about what makes it -- what are the higher risk settings than others. nothing is no risk. people will often ask about, is it safe. nothing is 100% safe. there are ways for us to reduce that risk. so outdoors definitely is safer than indoors. actually the highest risk is indoors, in a crowded place, with a lot of people who are shouting because that also propels droplets. especially if people are hugging, kissing, sharing

utensils, and they're going to be in that indoor space for a long time, because time to exposure also matters. you can think about the reverse of that, reduce your risk by being outdoors, stay at least six feet away from others, if you're getting away from friends and neighbors, stay that physical distance away, watch kids, because kids may not follow that social distancing. don't share utensils, don't pass around food, everybody bring their own chairs, and don't linger. if you're going to the beach, you can walk, and if you see a lot of people around, don't stay there, keep walking. all those things reduces your individual risks and should be guidance for employers and others looking to open their facilities too. >> lahnee, you say some states are doing this better than others. i'm just curious, what have you noticed, watching these reopenings? some states allow indoor dining with restaurants, with limited capacity, other states aren't. we're talking about casinos. what have you seen?

have you seen, based on the experiences in these states that are doing it, have you seen a few specific things that you think, hey, that looks like a good idea, that's working well, and a few that you say, jeez, that's not a good idea, let's avoid that? >> yeah, steve, it's important for states to think about coordinating their activities with neighboring states. i've talked about this before. if you have an area like the washington, d.c. area, it's simply unrealistic to expect d.c. to have a set of rules that are different from maryland and virginia. so you have to have coordination between all of those authorities. where that coordination is happening, those will be openings that are thoughtful and avoid the possibility of a closure later this year. where we run into a little bit of challenge is where the guidance is inconsistent within states. california is a good example of this. as a general matter, we've got statewide guidance that suggests certain things are permissible and then you have certain parts

of the state looking variances of that. the san francisco bay area, los angeles county, they're looking variances for various reasons. that inconsistency within states can be a challenge because people aren't sure what guidance to follow. are they to follow the local public health guidance? are they to follow the state guidance? where you have situations within states, where you have different rules based on geographic areas, that would be a good step forward in this next round of reopening. >> by the way, for folks out there, we talk about this state is doing this, this state is doing that, it's so hard to keep track of. in a little while we'll go over to the board and talk about what each state is doing. that's later in the show. until then, dr. chen, dr. wen, thank you for joining us. president trump is a prolific user of twitter. now he's threatening to punish social media platforms after twitter slapped a fact check on some of his tweets. where is this heading?

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welcome back. the president today threatened to use the power of the federal government to shut down social media companies including twitter. the platform that he uses virtually daily. this is because twitter took steps yesterday to refute certain inaccuracies in the president's tweets. the company included labels between two of trump's posts about voting by mail. those labels, which read, quote, get the facts, linked to news stories intended to provide

context about the president's claims. the move prompted trump to accuse twitter of interfering with the election and, quote, stifling free speech. today he alleged all social media companies are silencing conservative voices and threatened this, quote, we will strongly regulate or close them down before we can ever allow this to happen. now the white house is telling nbc news late tonight that the president will sign an executive order relating to social media companies tomorrow. twitter's decision came after the president used tweets to falsely insinuate that msnbc's joe scarborough was responsible for the death of lori klausutis who worked in his congressional office almost 20 years ago. this has earned trump some sharp rebukes from conservative editorial boards. there aren't many republican lawmakers also speaking out about the president's tweets, but there are a few, including senator mitt romney who said of klausutis's widower, his heart is breaking, enough already.

congresswoman liz cheney said, i would urge trump to stop it. but the president has not stopped, continuing to promote the baseless conspiracy theory today. i am joined by jonathan lemire, white house reporter for associated press. elise jordan, former aide in the george w. bush white house. and noah rothman from commentary magazine. jon lemire, the president making a dramatic threat, now word of some sort of executive order in the works. do you have a sense if there will be a real followup from this administration and what form it could possibly take? >> steve, the president is fond of the dramatic threat but it's unclear what sort of followup there will be. he was in florida today, trying to attend the scrubbed rocket launch. on his flight back, white house press secretary came back and told reporters on the plane that there would be an executive order on social media coming out either later tonight or

tomorrow. a short time later it was clarified it will be tomorrow. there are no details what it will be. according to our reporting there's been so much order circulated internally in the west wing yet. it's unsure what sort of teeth it will have. let's remember, it doesn't seem like the president has any legal ability to shut down social media companies. let's step back here. first, the president was offering erroneous information about mail-in voting. he has repeatedly done this now, said it would be illegal in states that said they would do it, trying to expand the power to vote during this pandemic, whether that be california, michigan, and there have been others. let's of course recall that in 2016 he erroneously suggested that there was widespread voter fraud when there was no evidence of any whatsoever. he's saying that could happen again now. to your point, there is a real sense here that twitter was

finally moved to act on the heels of the president's tweets about our colleague and friend joe scarborough, although twitter said they won't take down those tweets, they are looking to have some sort of mechanism to flag offensive material, even from the president. these fact checks obviously enraged president trump. as a final point, the president is not going to go off twitter. his favorite and, he believes, most effective form of communication. he won't turn down the ability to directly communicate with his supporters and drive the new cycle. >> let me pick up on what you were talking about with noah and elise. what should twitter be doing? should twitter be doing anything in the face of tweets like this from the president? should they delete the tweets? that's what klausutis's widower asked for. should they be appending some kind of fact check as they did in this one case? should they be doing nothing, should they let the words speak

for themselves and let people make up their own mind? elise, let me start with you. should twitter be doing something or not? >> personally i think that twitter has an obligation to have a forum that isn't a cesspool of misinformation. and i support putting a disclaimer by factually inaccurate information that is being disseminated by powerful accounts. this is not -- this has been a long time in coming. you look at how twitter banned alex jones a few years back, and it actually made a difference in slowing down alex jones, the conspiracy theorist. twitter doesn't do it when it's someone like donald trump. so why is there a double standard when the more powerful you are, as donald trump, you seem to be immune to having any

kind of check on your outright lies, as we have certainly seen over the past couple days with just the utter lunacy coming from donald trump's twitter account. >> so noah, this is a private company. we hear a lot of free speech arguments. this is not the government doing this, this is twitter, a private company, doing this and facing the possibility of doing more here. what do you think about that, about what twitter should or shouldn't be doing? >> look, it's a very tough call. i think it's extremely fraught. i have to disagree a little bit with my friend elise. it's a fraught course that twitter has taken here which blurs the distinctions between what it is, which is a platform, to what it aspires to be, which is a publisher. it has argued authoritatively that it does not publish content. there is a whole industry that fact checks the president which are subject to regulations. twitter is immune from

regulations for behavior like libel. senators like josh hawley have argued that these provisions should not apply to twitter and by getting into the publishing business, they're making his case for him. trump has the biggest microphone in america. it won't make a difference if he's on or off twitter. it will, however, give him a sense of grievance that will animate his supporters and rob the public of the full picture of who this person is. voters should be fully aware of who the president is when he does things that are obscene and cruel like what he has done to the host of msnbc's "morning joe" over the last couple of days. that's the sort of thing voters should be aware of going into the polls. so no, i don't think twitter's course here has made anything better, it's made things a little worse, including the fact that they got one of the fact checks wrong, confusing mail-in ballots with absentee ballots.

small matter, but by claiming the authority of fact checking, you have to get everything right and by not doing that, they've confirmed the president's supporters' positions. >> the president has been using twitter, has been using this platform with very inflammatory, that's one way of putting it, inflammatory tweets for a long time here. assuming he is not kicked off of it, and as jon says, assuming he continues using it, a majority of voters say they do not like the way the president uses twitter. these numbers are from a month ago, they've been steady, 40% of all users say the president's use of social media is viewed positively, 60% there say it's a bad thing. independents too say trump's twitter habits is bad. even 30% of republicans agree with that sentiment. elise, we talk all the time about, this is the president who has never crossed 50% in his approval rating. this is the most polarized from

a public opinion standpoint presidency that we have ever seen. how much is twitter and his use of twitter a part of that? >> donald trump reminds everyone on a daily, hourly basis of his cruelty with his twitter use. it is not a positive. i have been in so many focus groups with strong trump supporters who will not have anything to say remotely bad about the president, they can be 100% happy with him. what they do say, though, if they would change anything about donald trump, it would be his tweeting habits. no one likes the tweeting. yet donald trump can't control it. it's a habit that he isn't going to break. and you look at how throughout the course of his candidacy and his presidency, he has continued down the same no-holds-barred

disinformation, mean-spirited twitter use, and that's just not going to change even if his own supporters don't like it. >> so noah, in terms of the role of twitter in trump's political brand, i hear two very different theories out there. one goes along the lines of what elise was just saying, look at the polls, people say they don't like it. if trump didn't tweet, if there wasn't such a thing as twitter, trump would be a much more popular, much less unpopular president, it's getting in his way. i also hear it argued, if it weren't for twitter, trump wouldn't be president in the first place. how do you look at it? >> i mean, it's sort of hard to argue the negative. i'm not sure whether he would be the president at all in the absence of twitter. nevertheless, there is very little evidence to suggest that it helps him. there's a lot of evidence to suggest that it hurts him. his job approval rating and the general election polls, which are not predictive at this point but are interesting, are so static. even despite the very dynamic events of the last several months. and he's had one of the

shortest-lived bumps, job approval bumps in the pandemic era in the western world. some of that has to do with his personal comportment. even in the absence of economic calamity and a public health crisis, his job approval ratings remained relatively static, until now, when you see the president veering off the rails and indulging his worst impulses, and avoiding the task ahead of him which is to manage this crisis. it is not appealing to voters. it is turn them off to a certain extent. and the outpouring of frustration you've seen from some republicans and some conservative leaning media outlets is very interesting. if you were going to reverse psychology this president from getting away from these platforms, you would probably not talk about this at all. but they're planting a flag here on a hill that i think is very important, because if this contributes to the president's undoing, you want to be on the record when it mattered. >> jon lemire, one final question on what the president

thinks he's accomplishing with his use of twitter, because i was looking at a study that pew did, i think it was a year ago, they looked who uses twitter. it's one in five americans who have a twitter account, the rest don't. of that one in five, a lot of people may just be inactive accounts. it's a small group of folks who produce the tweets. they tend to be younger, they tend to have college degrees, they tend to identify as democrats, anecdotally a lot of them are in the media. is trump using twitter to provoke the media, to provoke a certain demographic or does he see it is a way around the media, does he think he's reaching the masses with this tool? >> it's twofold. the answer is both of those things. he knows the people that are going to react to his tweets are his followers who obviously are on twitter, choose to follow him, and view the twitter as a means of getting around the media. and he also knows that we're all on twitter, people like us,

assignment editors are on twitter, people who are going to react in the echo chamber and amplify what he says. he drives the news cycle. i spoke with an adviser of his in the first two months of his term and he said to this person, the president did, that he loved the idea of being able to tweet and within a minute or two the cable chyron would change to reflect that tweet. he believes it's a way of stunning the news media, keeping us off guard and also making news. we know that lawmakers of both parties have those noefktificats on their phone. they know if trump tweets against them, that could move people against them. so he's certainly not going to give it up. it's certainly not new for conservatives to allege some sort of bias on social media. the president has hit that

harder than ever before. the executive order tomorrow, we'll see what it says, it may be more bark than bite, but this won't be the last we hear of the saga of president trump and twitter. >> jonathan lemire, elise jordan, noah rothman, thank you for being with us. a lot of states have begun reopening. what does the picture look like from a data standpoint? where is it going well, where is it not going well, what are we learning? we're going over to the big board next to take a look. stay with us. usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members

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such voting and states needs to do whatever it takes to make it happen because people should not have to choose between their health and participating in democracy. all right. welcome back. we have been talking about what is the state of the coronavirus here when it comes to the number of new cases, the number of new tests being performed. all of the important data we said we would give you. a big breakdown nationally and the key states where we're seeing reopenings, how is it looking on the ground? phew, it came up, i wasn't sure it was going to. this is the the numbnumber of n. back in april you saw that number was dramatically rising. you see it leveled off, it's slightly, steadily, that number of new cases, it's down. you're still up there at 20,000 or so a day. but it is down, and that curve, you can see, is heading in that

downward direction. so that's the overall big picture there when it comes to new cases per day. this then is the number of testimoniatests that are being performed. we got a very slow start on testing, the number wasn't as high as it should be. but that number has continued to rise. on average, you've had days when you've gotten over 400,000 a day, that's been encouraging. you take a look here, and we're going to add in one more here, this is the positive test percent. i think this is a key stat. this is all the tests that are taken, how many of them are coming back positive. that has been heading in a downward direction as well now, really since the middle of april, late april. early on there was a scarcity of tests. the most symptomatic people were getting tested for it. you had a lot of new cases every day, that positivity rate was high. that positivity rate is now 10%, they went it to be under 10%, that's a positive.

what about individual states? let's take you through some of them here. georgia came up. wasn't sure there for a second. but georgia just came up. i was going to take you through these one by one but let's look at the big picture here. remember, georgia, one of the earliest, most aggressive with reopening. over the last two weeks the number of new cases a day is down, double digits, 12%. testing is up, 28%. the positive rate for those tests being taken, 5%, that's come down from before. the number that's a little unnerving in georgia is this, the hospitalization. that's up 17%. that's a number to keep an eye on, does that keep climbing? these stats are encouraging in georgia. that one raises some questions. keep an eye on the hospitalizations in georgia. let's see -- there we go, florida. this is another state with a lot of reopening. double digit rise in new cases. but look at the rise in testing. 62%. what does that mean? the positive rate, even though

there's more cases, with more testing, positive rate is down. hospitalizations are down in florida. i'll try to get through these quickly. two more here. colorado, another state here, all encouraging, all green in colorado. we'll land on virginia. there you go. new cases in virginia. this is a state, northern virginia, outside d.c., beginning to reopen later this week. cases are on the rise. testing is on the rise. but the positive rate in virginia, it's still double digits. it's down but still double digits. hospitalizations are up. virginia is in a state that is in the process of reopening. northern virginia about to reopen more. that's one to keep an eye on it. that's a look at some of the states. up next, 20 million young people were attending college when the pandemic hit. now colleges across the country are having to make tough choices on how and if they're going to reopen. two presidents will join me next. because i trust their quality they were the first to have a vitamin verified by usp...

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welcome back. as the country begins to reopen, colleges are actively planning what a return to campus this fall would look like. this of course amid fears of a possible second wave of the virus, also this fall. according to a survey of more than 800 schools by the chronicle for higher education, about two-thirds of colleges say they're planning for an an in-person semester this fall. about 27% are still deciding what to do or are proposing a hybrid model. only 7% are planning for an entirely online semester. perdue president and former indiana governor mitch daniels advocated for his school's return in "the washington post," writing, quote, 45,000 young people are telling us they want to be here this fall. to them, sorry we are too incompetent or fearful to figure out how to protect your lerleld

would be a dereliction of our responsibility. joining me, two university professors. rice in houston is planning to bring its full population on campus but with significant modifications to class operations. classes will be in person and remotely. dr. lebron, you say you're going to offer both in-person and online classes. what's your expectation? do you think most person will want in-person? do you think you'll have a lot saying no, i would rather do online? >> yes, we think most people will want in-person. i want to emphasize that we're going to sort of be making this decision over the summer, a final decision based on all the circumstances. but the idea is to be, as we put it, flexible, agile and

adaptable. we want to be able to respond to whatever the circumstances are. >> dr. frederic, i wanted to read you something that another college president said who does not believe there should be reopenings of schools right now. this is the president of paul quinn college in dallas. he said, because of the manner in which most residential colleges are operated, these institutions cannot use traditional face-to-face instructional methods and expect anything other than an unacceptable rate of disease transmission. how do you think about that? what do you think of what he's arguing there? >> yeah, you know, i think the key is that we have to follow some of the public health guidelines. one of the things that is important is exactly what you just showed earlier on your show. we have to look at what optio hospitalizations, testing ability, are in our specific area. if we have appropriate plans and follow social distancing, we have people wearing masks, i

think we can where appropriate be able to come back to that. the other thing i would point out is that there are 90 days between now and the start of school in the fall. if we look back 90 days from where we are today, what was taking place with respect to the pandemic was very different. i think the situation we will be in, 90 days from now, we hope will be very different, especially around testing and our ability to contact trace in particular. >> i'm curious, you talk about the need for social distancing in any form of opening on campus. it's a college, there's thousands of kids, there's dorms. certainly there's typically roommates. does that change? the cafeteria, kids gathering in the lounge in the dorm, how do you enforce social distancing on a college campus? >> i think a lot of things will change. what we have to think of, yes, we will have our students and residents as roommates but we

will talk to them about hygiene and social distancing, gathering with other people. all of those things will change. society has changed already. when we open back up you will see a significant difference in how we all interact in many spheres. we'll all have to come out at some point and it won't be like before, there will be a new reality. that's what our university should be about, trying to innovate what that change looks like. i think with the younger people we bring back, we'll need to give them an opportunity to demonstrate responsibility. especially at howard, some of the students that we bring here at howard university, it's their safe home and their safe place. and we have to consider that as well, that opening is not just about providing an education to them but in some circumstances, not very few but more than we would like, howard is actually the safest place for them to be in the fall. >> "the new york times" notes as colleges make plans to bring students back to campus

alongside discussions of mask requirements and half-empty classrooms, one common strategy is emerging, getting students home before thanksgiving that attempt to avoid a second wave of coronavirus infections expected to emerge in the late fall. built into their calculations are epidemiological assumptions that removing travel will help students avoid the virus. david leebron, your school, rice, is doing this. you're starting at your normal time, you're shrinking out, getting rid of the breaks and trying to end by thanksgiving. talk a little bit about the thinking that goes into that, when you believe the second wave would be most likely to hit and how likely you are to avoid that. >> so we looked very carefully both at a trajectory of the disease right now, both nationally and in texas and in houston, and that led us to conclude it was probable that we would be able to open the campus

in mid-august when we begin. and then we looked at what the experts were saying about a second wave, and typically those come in the early to mid-winter. and so that led us to think if we could complete the semester by thanksgiving, that would give us a greater probability of avoiding a second wave. we of course don't know exactly what it is, but the best expert advice is that it is likely to be after thanksgiving. as you said, that also kind of prevented the scenario in which we're sending students home all across the country and having them come back to the university, potentially bringing transmission of the disease back to the university, depending on the environments they're going home to. so this seemed to be a strategy of maximizing the chance that our students could complete the semester on campus and minimizing the late spread of the disease if there should be a resurgence. >> let me ask you too, we talked about social distancing, also i

hear contact tracing, this idea that somebody gets affected, you find the circle of contacts, isolate. how does that work, david, on a college campus? if you've got a positive case, if one turns up, is everybody who's been in a class with that person, are they then out for 14 days? anybody who's been -- how would that contact tracing work in a place of such close proximity? >> not necessarily. it may depend on where they were sitting in the class. we want to be cautious. the importance is both the contact tracing and the testing together, really maximizes the chance of prevention. we actually had, early on, an employee who was diagnosed with covid-19. and we had no spread of that on the campus, because we had identity quickly, we did the contact tracing. and we did self-quarantining. so if you do all those, you minimize the spread. the contact tracing is both by interviewing and other techniques, and potentially

using technology, making sure what we take into account with the privacy concerns. >> quick final question, dr. frederick, college sports, college football, sports that have fans in the stands, typically. are you going to have those at all this fall? >> you know, it's funny that you ask that, tomorrow morning, one of the meetings that i do have is with the conference this year. it's a tough question. we'll have some sports, and we'll have the international soccer leagues that are back out, that will give us some indication. as major league baseball and nba basketball open up, that will also give us some indication. i'm hopeful. it will be without fans in the stands. but i do think we'll have an opportunity to look at some sports. some of the biggest sports, it will be difficult, especially college football, to be quite honest.

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them being arrested and charged with murder and ultimately a conviction. because what we witnessed was these officers execute him publicly. we watched him take his last breath. >> for the latest, i'm joined by nbc news reporter in minneapolis tonight. shaq, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, we're starting to see some situations and a scene similar to last night. i know you heard the bang behind me. so far tonight we've seen flash bangs, rubber bullets used and tear gas as some police and protesters have clashed. you're also seeing protesters who have thrown rocks and water bottles. you may have seen a water bottle go behind the police line and that's been set up around the police precinct. vehicles were damaged, graffiti

on the walls. you're seeing clashes and interactions happen. when you have conversations with the protesters who aren't looking for a direct clash with police. you hear them focused and their main message they want justice. what does justice look like for them? it looks like an arrest for the officers involve d. those four officers, minneapolis police department officers who have since been fired, they want those officers to be arrested and charged with criminal prosecution and go through and face criminal prosecution and that's the same message that you're hering from the family of mr. floyd. you're also hearing that from the mayor of minneapolis. people saying the video evidence out there is enough and now is the time to act. meanwhile, you have the police union, they're saying that hey, it's still early. let not have this rush to judgment. we still need to see body camera footage. we know investigators will be looking at that. they haven't gotten statements from officers. that is something that could be revealing. police union saying we need more time, let the investigation play

out. if you listen to what the protesters are saying, using the chants i can't breath and having interactions with them. they want to see immediate action. >> shaquille bruster, thank you. the long anticipated spacex shuttle launch still being executed, postponed due to weather today. more on that next. to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today.

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unfortunately, we are not going to launch today. you are go for 5.100 launch scrub. >> 5.100 it was a good effort by the team and we understand and we'll meet you there. >> three more days. that is how long we're going to wait for the next window to launch the next space flight from american soil in almost a decade. the two astronauts doug hurly and bob were ready to make the 19-hour journey to the international space station today but with 16 minutes to go before take off, the nasa spacex mission was scrubbed because of bad weather. when the time does come, they will take off from the same spot where americans rocketed to the moon 51 years ago. nasa officials say the long anticipated launch could usher in an era for space flight. this is elon musk's spacex.

set your alarms, 3:22 p.m. eastern time saturday afternoon. hopefully, the weather will be in the astronauts' favor. thank you for being with us. don't go anywhere, "all in" with chris hayes is up next. tonight, on "all in," 100,000 americans are gone and the crisis is not over. new surges around the country and a president just ready to move on. tonight, dr. craig spencer has been in the emergency room for all of it, bears witness and "the atlantic's" ed young why the response is crippling. the very real and dangerous attack on your right to vote. renowned election lawyer on what could be done to protect democracy for donald trump. plus, what the pandemic exposes about america in 2020 and why some protests are met with tear gas and others with restraint. joy reed will be my guest. the joe biden platform,