thank you so very much for being here with us. on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night from our temporary field headquarters. 100,000 deaths from the coronavirus. the united states has surpassed that grim milestone. and president trump was largely sile silent on the matter. also, president trump is expected to design a executive order to bring limits to social media sites. also in the death of george floyd out of chicago, the mayor is calling for arrests in the case. good morning, everybody. this thursday, may 28th.

a lot has taken place overnight. going from one to 100,000, in just a couple of months, what usa today is calling the fastest killer in u.s. history. while the pace of deaths has slowed, the united states leads the world by far more than double the number of deaths in the united kingdom, which is ranked number two. president trump did not take questions from reporters in the hours after the milestone. but the white house did release a state through a deputy press secretary saying the president's prayers are with those who are grieving. the president's silence was deafening. president trump has spent his life in numbers, his wealth, his ratings, his polls, even during the deadly coronavirus pandemic, he has peppered aides about

statistics and obsessing over the guy rating stock market. but this week, 100,000 americans dead from the coronavirus, trump has been uncharacteristically silent. it reads in part this, for all of the political hacks out there, if i have not done my job well and early, we would have lost 1.5 to 2 million people as opposed to the 100,000 plus that looks like will be the number. seemingly trying to fill the void was the president's producti presumptive democratic nominee. >> a shared grief. today, it's one of those moments. 100,000 lives have now been lost

to this virus here in the united states alone. each one leaving behind a family that will never again be whole. i think i know what you're feeling. you feel like you're being sucked into a black hole in the middle of your chest. it's suffocating. your heart is broken. there is nothing but a feeling of emptiness right now. for most of you, you weren't able to be there when you lost your beloved family member or friend. but the pain, the anger and the frustration, you will wonder whether or not you'll be able to get anywhere from here, it's made worse by knowing this is a fateful milestone we should have never reached and could have been avoided, according to a study done by columbia university if the administration had acted just one week earlier

to implement social distancing and do what it had to do. just one week sooner, as many as 36,000 of these deaths might have been averted. >> obviously, the former vice president having experienced grief himself many times over during his lifetime. so the white house announcing last night that president trump is set to sign an executive order on social media. that could enable regulators to penalize twitter, facebook and google for how they moderate content on their sites. two senior administration officials are telling the "new york times" is order is, quote, intended to curtail the legal protections that shield social media companies from liability for what gets posted on their platforms. under section 230 of the communications decency act, online companies have broad immunity from liability for content created by their users. the white house gave no details of what the order will say, but

the times reports that an undated draft of the order would allow the commerce department to attempt to refocus how broadly that section is actually applied. the order is trump's response to being fact checked on twitter for the first time with a stamp placed on two of his tweets about mail-in ballots leading to voter fraud. the president first responded by a tweet accusing big tech of censoring in advance of the 2020 election and telling his followers to stay tuned. twitter's ceo jack dorsey responded on his platform writing this, we'll continue to point out incorrect or disputed information about elections globally. he added our intention is to connect the dots of conflicting statements and show the information in dispute so people can judge for themselves. but in an interview on fox news, facebook's ceo mark zuckerberg criticized twitter's fact checking. twitter decided for the first time ever to fact check

one of president trump's tweets. >> we have a different policy. i think than twitter on this. i just believe strongly that facebook shouldn't be the arbiter of truth of everything people say online. i think in general private companies or especially platform companies shouldn't be in the position of doing that. >> we're going to get into more of this a little later with danny cevallos. so stay tuned for that. protests in minneapolis escalated into violence overnight following the deaths of george floyd, an unarmed black man who died in the custody of police. hundreds of protesters gathered on the streets, some damaged windows and vandalized police cars. multiple fires were reported and serve businesses looted. at one point, officers fired teargas and rubber bullets into the crowd. one person was in custody following a shooting death near

the site of the protest. but the motive and the circumstances are unclear and they are still being investigated according to local police there. the unrest and the outrage ignited by this. george floyd on monday pleading with police officers while one officer pressed his knee into floyd's neck for about eight minutes. he was later pronounced dead at a local hospital. initially police said floyd had, quote, physically resisted officers after they responded to a reported forgery in progress. but new video is appearing to show the moments before floyd's death, officers removing him from a parked car, hand cuffing him, as you see here, before they led him across the street. while four officers involved in floyd's detainment have been fired, the mayor of minneapolis is calling for charges against the arresting officer. >> i want to see a charge take place. i want to see justice for george

floyd. >> floyd was a former college basketball player who mostly worked as a truckdriver and security guard postpon. he was just 46 years old. joining me now, kelly o'donnell. thank you so much for getting up early with us and good to see you, my friend. let's start with george floyd here. you had the chance to ask the president yesterday about the george floyd case. what did he have to say? >> good to be with you, yasmin. i was the tv pooler for the president's trip to florida and we had an opportunity to follow him as he was moving about the kennedy space center. and so the setting was very much about the launch that ultimately did not happen. but because of the importance of this story, i felt it was an opportunity that i had to ask the president had he seen that

video what his comments were. clearly, he had seen the video. he described this as being something very, very sad. i also asked the president if he believed some kind of prosecution should take place given what he saw on that video and the response that is happening not only in minneapolis, but across the country. and the president said he would be getting reports about what had transpired there and some of the investigation that would be going on and what is notable about that is he signaled an openness to that. of course, that could be a function of state government. it could be the department of justice for civil liberty issues. there are things that still need to be sorted out. but what stood out is that the president was open to the idea that there needs to be some kind of next level response about how law enforcement conducted itself in the case of george employed. the fbi is investigating and the

president said that was done at his direction and he talked about the fact of the sadness of what was witnessed by all of us who have been able to see that video. the setting was not conducive to more question background this issue, but it is certainly something the president was on record about. >> kelly, let's talk about this executive order from the president aimed at social media companies. how far, in your estimation, does this president plan to go with this? >> well, there are two real tracks of this. there is the political track where the president is conducting his own response, even battle against social media, and then there's the more specific governance part. what can the president do with an executive order? in talking with top officials about this, they told us the executive order was being crafted, that it was not fully complete, but the message the president wants to send, at least to some degree, is a

pushback on what they believe is a social media platform. where the president is one of the largest, most prominent users, they argue there has been too much curtailing of conservative voices, the president has considered himself a part of that enormous frustration, the president is trying to in some way fact check the president's responses. so we don't have a lot of details about what this will look like, but think about this in terms of the challenges and court challenges. >> and we will get into all of this with danny cevallos. kelly o'donnell, thank you for joining us this morning. good to see you. still ahead, more on the president's executive order targeting social media sites. and later, findings from a new study could help children affected by a mysterious illness linked to coronavirus. those stories and then, of course, a check on your weather

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well, there's no question that twitter as a specific example is the way the president connects directly with millions of americans. he has over 70 million followers on twitter. but that said, twitter is applying one standard for president trump and another standard for pretty much everybody else, including joe biden. >> all right. so that was director of communications for president trump's 2020 campaign tim murtaugh discussing twitter's fact checking president trump about elections and ballot -- in-person ballot voting versus mail-in ballot voting. joining me now, danny cevallos to sift through this stuff. let's talk about this section 230 with regard to what the president is trying to do here.

how can it be used against twitter and other social media companies? >> since 1996 or so, the communications decency act, section 230, gives social media companies a really broad set of -- well, broad immunity under the law. they are not considered publishers of speech such that they can be liable for defamation or threats, but they are also allowed to edit that speech. and normally editing speech would suggest control over it, but under the law, that editing of the speech doesn't make them lible. so they can control the speech, but they're not considered publishers of it for legal purposes. >> so you have a lot of people here, a lot of folks in defense of the president and this new fact check button with regard to his misleading or outright lies that he says on twitter basically saying that this is a first amendment issue with

regard to the president. but are there really any issues in play here with regard to the first amendment? >> no. the first amendment and any of the bill of rights amendments only apply when the government is involved in suppressing rights. and in this case, twitter is a private company. it is not going to be restricted by the first amendment when it suppresses speech. and it can suppress speech. it can kick people off its platforms entirely and the communications decency act allows it to do that editing of speech or modifying of speech without fear of being sued for defamation. so even if trump were to issue an executive order, an executive order is always below a federal statute in the hierarchy of laws. it goes constitution, statutes, and then executive orders. they will always be inferior. so the most the president can do is scrutinize the law. he cannot overturn it by executive order. >> so if anything, this is just

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welcome back, everybody. while president trump continues to rail against mail-in voting, his campaign is trying to make it easier for supporters in pennsylvania so obtain mail-in ballots. there is an easy access link to help them request ballots for next week's primary. the link allows supporters to enter their personal information which the website uses to create a form that voters can send to their local election officials. trump has repeatedly attacked the legitimacy of mail-in

voting. trump's campaign says there is no contradiction between their efforts and the president's comments. campaign communication director tim murtagh says this, there is a vast difference between people voting absentee by mail because they can't be at the polls on election day versus mailing everyone a ballot. sending everyone a ballot, even those that didn't request one is a wide open opportunity for fraud. murtagh didn't respond when asked if the campaign is engaging in the same in other states. reuters reports that as of may 13th, nearly 1.2 million pennsylvania voters have applied for absentee ballots. a 14-fold increase from 2016. almost 70% of those requests have come from democrats, according to state data. and echoing the president's

onslaught against mail-in voting, the white house press secretary has stood firm in her position against the process. but as it turns out, mcenany has voted herself by mail 11 times, 11 times in the past decade. according to the tampa bay times, she has mailed in her ballot in every florida election she has participated in since 2010. most recently in the florida primary back in march, which the president did, as well. when asked last week why it was okay for the president to vote by mail, mcenany has responded that he is, after all, the president. mcenany responded to the tampa bay times story writing absentee voting has the word absent in it for a reason. it means you're absent from the jurisdiction or unable to vote in person. president trump is against the democrat plan topo lit size the coronavirus and expand mass mail-in voting without a reason, which has a high propensity for

voter fraud. this is a simple decision that the media fail toes grasp. not necessarily sure that we fail to grasp it. there is a reason, by the way. this is a pandemic that just killed 100,000 people in the last three months. however, florida does not have absentee voting. in fact, anyone can vote by mail in the state without providing a specific reason. with that, let's switch gears and bring in our better than average nbc meteorologist bill karins. and hopefully everybody was watching yesterday to know my reference that brian williams called you better than average yesterday. i thought that was so funny. so take it away, bill. >> classic brian. yes. so, of course, we were joining the coverage for the space shuttle launch and waiting to see if it was going to happen or not. space shuttle. so trained from 10 to 20 years ago. spacex dragon launch. the next launch is saturday at

3:22 in the afternoon. once again, we're going into a florida afternoon with heat and humidity and it will be iffy at best. we're looking at about a 30% chance of favorable weather. the computers are saying there will be showers and thunderstorms around in the area. as we learned yesterday, all it takes is an electrical field or passed lightning storms to cancel the launch. hopefully we'll get it up saturday and if we don't, then there will be another window. they can't he postpone these. these have to go off at the exact time to make it with its docking window with the international space station. hopefully we'll get that. 3:22 saturday. let's get into the forecast for today. we had that tropical storm yesterday that formed about this time. now that moisture is heading upwards into the areas of ohio. it's soaking that region. it will be hit and miss showers and storms. nothing too bad out there today in the eastern half of the country. just your typical showers and storms. still a big heat wave in areas of the southwest. as we take a look at friday's

forecast, notice those thunderstorms in the northeast. we have a rare day where we're going to see a chance of severe thunderstorms. washington, d.c., baltimore included, all the way up through central new york into northern portions of new england. 20 million people at risk. yasmin, when we come back, we'll talk about the complete weekend forecast and things are going to warm up in a few spots. it's getting to feel like summer. >> it certainly is. thank you, bill. talk to you again in a little bit. still ahead, everybody, what dr. anthony fauci is saying about the possibility of having a coronavirus vaccine by the end of the year. also, a preview of what we can expect from today's jobless claims report. we're back in a moment. when managing diabetes you can't always stop for a fingerstick. with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you don't have to. with a painless, one-second scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. no matter where you are or what you're doing. ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks.

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welcome back, everyone. we're going to begin this half hour with a sign of hope from the nation's top disease experts. dr. anthony fauci announced just yesterday that there's a, quote, good chance a coronavirus vaccine will be able to be deployed by the end of the year. watch this. >> the kind of acceleration that we're doing, which i must emphasize is not at the expense of safety nor at the expense of scientific integrity. i still think that we have a good chance, if all the things fall in the right place, that we might have a vaccine that would be deployable by the end of the year. by december and november. >> so that is some encouraging news, to say the least. also doctors around the world are racing against time. to learn more about a mysterious

coronavirus linked illness plaguing children, nbc got an exclusive look inside a london laboratory on the cusp of finding an accurate way to detect this multi system inflammatory disease similar to kawasaki disease. joining me now, willem marx whos is live in london. some encouraging news to what you have been doing to see what doctors have found out about this illness for children. you spoke with a mother whose daughter battled this illness. what did she have to say? >> good morning, yasmin. shannon fernandez herself was a care worker and she got positively diagnosed with covid-19 back in mid april. she recovered and then three weeks later her 4-year-old

daughter, teya, came down with some unusual symptoms. originally when she called the doctors, they said it was likely from constipation. she push pushing for diagnoses, and she eventually took her to the hospital and there were signs of perhaps what was a bacteria infection. it got worse and they identified this new syndrome that's afflicted hundreds of children around the world, killing some including in the united states. we spoke to shannon about this affliction that her 4-year-old went through. >> they give us the odds of one in so many that do get this. and we said trust it to be us to be that one person. and then when the doctors said about it being linked to coronavirus, i had never heard of this before. so we was more worried because we had never heard of it. so when they decided mentioning there has been links recently to coronavirus. and i knew i had had it.

i blamed myself. i said i give it to her. it's me that's done this to her. so the key here is identifying this rare condition early. and what they have done at imperial laboratories behind me is figure out that this condition is unique. it has distinct blood and infection markers that make it different to things like kawasaki disease. the hope is that they can now develop an accurate blood test, a diagnostic test that will say to doctors on the front line, this child has this. this is how to treat it, get them into intensive care and that in theory will have the worst outcomes. >> so some good news for some very scared parents around the world right now. willem marx, thank you very much forr for your reporting. appreciate it.

i want to bring in dr. lippy roy. thank you for joining us this morning. very much appreciate it. i'm sure you just heard me speak, our reporter, willem marx regarding this complicated illness for children related to covid-19. what more can you tell us and how are doctors responding as more of this information is coming out? are they able to react realtime when they have a child in their er who they suspect may have this inflammatory syndrome? >> yeah. good morning, yasmin. so, yes, this particular illness is concerning because, as you know, initially at the start of this pandemic, we thought children were mostly immune. this is a disease of adults mostly. unfortunately we're discovering that that is just not the case. there is a delayed reaction to an initial infection.

so this inflammatory reaction that children are having, children as well as young adults, young as early 20s, are reacting to the virus. so children are presenting initially with some vague symptoms, fever, diarrhea, abdominal pain. some children come with rash, red eyes. a lot of illnesses, a lot of infections can cause those combination of symptoms. however, it can come on rather rapidly. so if a child has a fever that is unrelenting over several days, up to five days, it's just not looking berts, becoming lethargic, i urge parents to call 911, call a pediatrician or take their child directly to the hospital. the good news is that children, these children mostly do well, unlike adults who get covid-19 and unfortunately many of them do require intensive care. they children also require icu level of care, pediatric icu,

but they respond well to steroids, iv fluids, blood pressure medications as well as ivig or introo venus immuno globulin antibiotics, as well. so that is good news, as well as oxygen, yasmin. >> so early detection is really the key to monitor your child, see their symptoms and bring them to the doctor as soon as you have concerns. i want to talk about what we heard from dr. fauci saying there is a good chance. and i think this may be the first time that we're hearing something like this from him because he is mostly staying kick consistent. he's saying there is a good chance we'll get a vaccine by the end of this year. and i read a piece in "the washington post" yesterday about we may need to learn to live with the coronavirus over the next decade or so as we have learned to live with sars, as we have learned to live with measles, as we have learned to

live with hiv, that there may be pockets that pop up throughout the world over the next decade or so, but this might be our new reality. >> yeah. it was surprising i think in the people in the medical and health fields to hear dr. fauci express an optimism about a vaccine coming out this early. for him to say that it's going to come out at the end of this year indicates that he's quite hopeful about research that's happening right now. the reason why most people in the vaccine development world and in medical researchers really don't think a vaccine is going to come out until next year is because if you just look at history, the fastest we've been able to deliver a vaccine safely into human beings has really been four to five years. i believe that was from mumps.

so for us to develop a vaccine for a novel coronavirus, a virus for which we've never developed a vaccine, is highly unusual. .that said, we're always optimistic. this is an example where i would be happy to be wrong if a vaccine does, in fact, come out safely for delivery in patients, again, without compromising safety sch a key phrase that dr. fauci used. so, yeah, we're all optimistic. >> all right. dr. lippy roy, thank you as always for your insights on this. still ahead, everybody, an update on joe biden's search for a running mate. your first look at "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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welcome back, everybody. joe biden told reporters he hopes to name his running mate

by august 1st. the former vice president telling supporters last night that his presidential committee has reviewed all the contenders on his short list. he weighed in on what he's looking for saying this, i think that i need somebody who, in fact, is sympathy patco with me, both in terms of personality but in substance and that means they don't have to agree with me on everything, but they have to have the same basic approach on how we handle everything. someone that is willing to tell me the truths, but do it in a way that is between the two of us, between her and me so that that can, in fact, be completely candid with me because i want to have people around me that have strengths and capacities that i do not. with that, let's bring in nbc meteorologist bill karins, someone who has strengths and

capacities that i do not because he tells you the weather and you would not want me to tell you the weather as bill karins does. >> right. i mean, you could sometimes. i mean, you've done the weather before. you usually just go to your phone app and then we have other issues to talk about. >> exactly. like my phone is telling me. all right. take it away. >> yeah. we've had many of those conversations. so let's get into some of these covid numbers. we have had some upticks in the middle of the week. it happened again yesterday. as you would expect after the holiday weekend with a number of reports, we're a little low. yesterday we came in with 1500 fatalities. now, of course, over 100,000. as far as the new cases went, we're still averaging around 20,000 per day. this week, we've averaged nearly 20,000. at the peak of this pandemic, we were averaging about 32,000. so it has come down, but it's still a very high number. and right now, about 5% to 6% of

those cases end up being fatalities. that's what the mortality rate is. going into the big weather headlines, if you know anything in the southwest or california or arizona, they have been baking in the sun. 22 million people are under heat warnings. yesterday we had numerous record highs. we'll do it again today, our friends in sacramento, 102. 106 in fresno already. temperatures in the desert very warm, too. palm springs, 109. phoenix, we're going to be varm warm, too. today's forecast, showers and storms in the eastern behahalf the country. as far as the weekend forecast goes, we'll be dodging those storms on friday. the ohio valley, a few strong storms in the northeast on friday. the southeast, more or less your afternoon pop-up storms. saturday, that rain begins to move off the east coast. the morning should have some rain. the afternoon should be a little better. middle of the country looks good. the great lakes refreshing, a little bit cooler. highs only in the 60s and 70s.

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welcome back, everybody. this morning, the department of labor will announce the ten-week total of unemployment claims since the coronavirus first began and the latest round is expected to be north of 2 million. cnbc's juliana tadlebaum is joining us on this. what are we expecting to see here? >> investors across the u.s. and around the world will be watching this initial jobless claims numbers. we are expecting 2.9 million americans to have filed in the latest week of data. in the prior week, we saw over 4 million people filing. but a little bit of good news after hitting a report back in march, the week ending march 28th, the weekly number of initial jobless claims has been on the decline.

and if we see that 2.1 million number come through today, it would mark yet another week of declines. still, analysts are expecting despite the stimulus, the employment crisis to weigh on the economy for quite as goldman sachs, in particular, weighing in on the issue. on the topic of job losses, we heard from american airlines. they plan to cut 30% of its management and administrative staff. cnbc has seen a company memo which said 5,000 jobs are going to be cut. they are planning to also offer new voluntary leave and buyouts for front line staff. this includes people like flight attendants. that'll start next month. the airlines, as we have been discussing for weeks now, have been under a huge amount of pressure to cut costs after the devastating impact for the air travel industry. yasmin? >> i have to say, 40 million is just an astounding number. it is unbelievable. i hope we never forget how this virus has ravaged our lives,

with 40 million jobs lost, 100,000 lives lost, as well. it is just staggering to even think about, how so many lives have been turned upside down over the last three months. lives were different in february to where they are now. i quickly want to touch on florida theme parks here, julianna, while i have you. they're planning their return. what can you tell us about this? >> that's right. we are expecting disney world, sea world to begin reopening their doors. i'll run you through the dates you're looking at here. sea world has received approval for its plan to reopen its parks on june 11th. disney world is going to wait until july to reopen its parks. we'll seme magic kingdom and animal kingdom on july 11th. on the 15th, epcot and hollywood studios will follow. all attractions will have limited attendance. at disney world, reservations

are going to be required, at least initially. guests will be required to undergo temperature checks when they arrive at the parks, and face coverings will be required. not the experience you're used to, but they are getting back and going again. >> i guess the only positive thing to all of that could be shorter lines. anybody who has been to a theme park in this country knows that the lines can be incredibly long and take hours to even get on one ride. cnbc's julianna tatelbaum, live from london, thank you so much. up next, axios' one big thing. and coming up on "morning joe," amid staggering unemployment and stimulus legislation stalled in the senate, congresswoman suza suzan delbene will join us to discuss her bipartisan bill that would week 60 million workers on the job, something needed right now. "morning joe" is moments away. where will you go first? will it be familiar streets?

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they use stamps.com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. welcome back, everybody. joining me now with a look at axios am, editor in chief for axios, nicholas johnston. good morning to you.

>> good morning. >> great to see you on this thursday morning. >> good to see you. >> talk to us about axios' one big thing. >> it is a virus foothold in the south. we've updated, once again, the weekly coronavirus case tracker for the united states. this is the most popular piece of content we ever created in the three years axios existed. it is the week to week trends of new cases in the united states. the data we're seeing is that although, nationally, trends are looking pretty good, and even somewhat positively, there are still some places where the cases are worrisome, particularly in the south. arkansas, georgia, south carolina, mississippi, tennessee. those are where the trends have been going in the wrong direction for the past week. those are also states moving probably the most quickly ahead with reopening. some of the states we're also watching more closely. nationally, there are states which are, although not perhaps having increases as much as in the south, really sort of had a plateau. haven't seen cases decline. that includes wisconsin, minnesota, and california. the one bright spot, the brightest spot probably in the

entire united states is the northeast. new jersey, new york, connecticut, massachusetts. that's are the pandemic peaked the most. they had the most cases. they've had continuous declines for a number of weeks while we've been doing this map. one bit of a caveat on all this, this measures case load. that can be driven by increases in testing. sometimes, as states ramp up testing, it'll showcases are increasing, which is possibly a negative outcome. important to notice, if you increase testing, it doesn't mean you're necessarily getting ahead of the virus. you're just understanding the size and extent of it. remember, one of the key metrics for reopening guidelines from the federal government is you have to get a handling on the testing. no matter how much testing you're doing, the cases have to be declining. that's something to watch in the coming weeks, particularly as reopenings continue. >> is there a fear, nick, that after memorial day weekend, with so many people getting together and not sticking with the guidelines, that the virus will

continue to keep its foothold in the south over the next couple weeks, months, as we see more cases pop up? >> i think it is the most important data for why the maps are great to see at. you'll see the long-term trends. look at what states are doing as far as reopening. they're doing it in the district, as well, my hometown, very soon, as well, to see what happens in the coming weeks, two weeks, 14 days away. what will the trend lines be in the district, in georgia, north carolina, in arkansas, where they're reopening the most? you can go to axios.com and dig into the data, see what it was like the week before and week before that, to see for yourself. >> quickly, joe biden is set to close out the texas democratic party's all virtual convention next week as one of the event's major speakers, as you well know. discuss with me the significance of this large-scale event for him. >> absolutely. democrats are look at this as a test run for their possible fall convention.

texas is a big state. there will be a lot of delegates and attention on this. can joe biden appear virtually and still have sort of the rousing effect you hope to get for a convention? democrats are saying they'll pretape some of the thing s so they don't have zoom or network issues while the convention is beginning on. can you replicate virtually what you get in-person at a regular convention? other side of the aisle, republican president trump is threatening to remove the convention out of north carolina if they can't have it in person. >> nicholas johnston, thank you, as always. >> thank you. >> i'll be reading axios am in a little while. signup.axios.com. that does it for me on this mou thursday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts right now. the minimum number was 100,000 lives, and i think we'll be substantially under that number. hard to believe that if you had

60,000, you can never be happy, but that's a lot fewer than we were originally told and thinking. so they said between 100,000 and 220,000 lives on the minimum side, and up to 2.2 million lives if we didn't do anything. minimum numbers of 100,000. i think we're going to beat that. 100,000 deaths, can you believe that? that was a minimum. if we didn't practice what we practiced, and if we did it a different way, because we had a maximum of 2.2 million people. who knows even if that's right. we would have had, i think, millions of people die, had we done a different way. i think numbers are just coming out where they're estimating 60,000 people will die. we would have had millions of deaths instead of, it looks like we'll be at about a 60,000 mark, which is 40,000 less than the lowest number thought of. one is too many, but we're going toward 50,000 or 60,000 people. that's at