want to exacerbate that. so they are going to be out there. you'll start seeing more of our, again, community healers. faith leaders. our elders and even our youth. and so you'll see a shift in that today. so i'm always hopeful because it's the same community that's supported me throughout my career. >> [ inaudible ]. >> yes, i have made that phone call to the governor and it has been requested. >> was there a response back from him? >> the governor and the state have been very helpful. but i would further direct that -- i believe they will be in contact shortly. >> what do you say to the businesses and targets that were looted. it's tragic all the way around, this whole thing. what do you -- have you had contact with any businesses

about what happened last night? >> i have not as of this point this morning. these businesses are staples in the community. many of them are longstanding institutions. but more importantly, in the time of a pandemic, they're essential for community needs ranging from food to financial services. these are pieces of our community that we're going to need over the coming weeks and months. when you have one crisis that is sandwiched on top of another, it's all the more important that we're able to, yes, keep communities safe and also keep these very critical pieces safe. and i have spoken with the chief, and that is most certainly part of the plan as we move towards tonight and the coming days. >> some people have said the

[ inaudible ]. why did we see a discrepancy there? >> i have heard the same thing. i do know that at the time the incident occurred, there was a lot of information that was developing and changing. and so i have heard that, and it is never certainly my intention to put out information that would cause some of the pain that others have felt or even doubt some of the information that was coming out. and i'm committed that as we move forward that we'll do better to make sure that we're getting as much factual information out in a timely manner as we can. >> -- the national information came from. was that statements from officers at the scene? was it from some other sources of information? >> unfortunately, i don't have all the details to that, but i will get back with you on that. >> what was the strategy last night? was it to maintain control of the 3rd precinct and let the looting go or was it just you were understaffed as far as --

>> two priorities. first priority always is going to be the preservation of life. at some point in time during the evening, the events really sort of migrated away from the precinct. and also came down to a matter of resources. i will tell you that when you have fires that take place, we cannot allow and he won't allow his men and women to go in there and take care of those fires. if they're not protected. and so that also shifted resources, and we, you know, we certainly are never expecting these types of gather,s to involve arson. but once that dynamic shifted, it required other resources, policing resources to assist the chief and -- >> how hard for you as a chief to sit there and watch this go down and be helpless? >> it's very difficult for me. again, i'm born and raised here in minneapolis. i am the central neighborhood

kid. this is very difficult. and i have an obligation to our 400,000-plus residents, visitors and workers to provide that sense of trust and safety. and so it is very difficult. but i am hopeful, and i'm optimistic because, again, the vast majority of our minneapolis community was not participating in the criminal conduct that occurred last night. and so they have also continued to be in communication with myself. obviously, mayor frey and council vice president jenkins that they are really going to -- you're going to see more of a footprint from our community out there in support of the peace that we all want. >> if you have time, mayor, will you take one more question? we've got to get the mayor -- >> do you have one more question for me? >> what, if anything, can you do -- can the city do to help these businesses and homeowners

who lost things last night? >> we are going to be conducting some strategizing sessions over the coming days. obviously, one of the difficulties we have is facing 165 to $200 million revenue shortfall and then expenses that are resources toward covid-19. the monies that we have available are presently somewhat limited, but this sort of calls the question of how much we do need assistance from the federal and state government now. we needed it before this killing took place. it's all the more essential after. thank you.

>> and we have been listening to officials in the city of minneapolis address the unrest in their city and across the country over the death of george floyd who died while in police custody with a knee on his neck after footage showed an officer kneeling on his neck as he pleaded for mercy. good afternoon. i'm katy tur. joining me is chuck todd. we're following breaking news in this story. the video is heavily redacted by the police, not nbc news. in this footage you can see officers detained floyd and question him on the scene. overnight, peaceful protests in minneapolis turned violent involving clashes with police looting and fires that destroyed downtown businesses. mayor frey has requested support from the minnesota national guard as you just heard.

and he's addressed george floyd's death. let's listen. >> what we've seen over the last two days and the emotion-ridden conflict over last night is the result of so much built-up anger and sadness. anger and sadness that has been engrained in our black community not just because of five minutes of horror but 400 years. >> joining me now is nbc's shaquille brewster with the latest. shaquille, that was the mayor right there saying that this isn't just a moment in time. this has been building for hundreds of years in this country. anybody watching who has lived for more than 36, 40 years will look back on all the other riots we've seen in this country. the race riots.

tell me what it is like there now and whether there is a sense that the community still feels angry enough to continue with this rioting into a third or a second evening. >> that press conference that you heard from mayor frey, that was at least the third press conference this week that i've heard him that emotional. you heard him on tuesday right after this video became public and circulated and you heard the pain and emotion in his voice. you heard him yesterday when he talked about -- he can't answer the question of why this officer has not been arrested based on that video alone. and then you hear him today talking about the total pain in the community. that is the tone that you have from the mayor here and that is similar to the -- it's a reflection of the tone you hear from protesters. people in the community, both protesters who are involved in clashes last night but people who are just from the area and here around in this area,

spectating, looking at the remnants of what was left from yesterday as you have some burning buildings and businesses that have been looted. one thing that you heard both from the mayor and the police chief here, you kept hearing them refer to the history that minneapolis has and the police department has. you heard the police chief reference that it was sometimes the police department that contributed to the mistrust that folks in the community have. this is a police department that is not new to police-involved killings. mostly it's shootings, but this was a killing in this instance. in the past ten years, based on a report by kare news here, 11 people have died. george floyd was the 11th person to be -- to lose their life in the hands of police custody or at the hands of police officers. that is what they are talking about, and that's the feeling that has boiled over. andrea jenkins who also was in that press conference. you heard her sing at the top of it. i interviewed her yesterday. and she talked about the pain.

she texted me last night as buildings were on fire, as the clashes were happening saying this was outrageous. one point she made was that she wants to see the officers arrested. that's something you hear from community members, from the family of mr. floyd. that's what they are looking for. they say they understand that there will be an investigation. that's what state authorities are doing. state authorities in conjunction with the fbi, but what they want to see based on that original video, that ten-minute long facebook video with the officer on the neck of mr. floyd, they want to see charges from that video alone. they say that is all you need to see and that's part of the anger that you have within the community, katy. >> shaquille, the police department has released the body cam footage, but as we've showed it on screen, it's heavily redacted. do we have any idea why they are redacting parts of those -- parts of that video? >> that's right, katy. heavily redacted. also the audio is pulled many

times so you can't even hear what's going on. you don't get a narrative or understanding of what's happening. it's important to note that footage that we see, that's minneapolis park police. it's a smaller police department, about 30 officers. that's not the officers, the four officers that were fired. that is different from the video in the body camera -- in the body cameras that they were wearing. so what we do -- it does give a little more picture. helps fill in the picture a little more. but it does not give a complete picture and does not fill in that gap of time from that surveillance video that we see initially in the cell phone footage of mr. floyd getting out of his car or being taken out of his car and walked over to the wall. you see that personal exchange with the officer. and then the facebook video where the officer is on his neck. that gap of time, what happens in there, what led to that escalation. that's just what we don't know at this time and it seems like the body camera footage from the actual officers will be the only thing that answers that question.

katy? >> shaquille brewster in minneapolis, thank you very much. chuck, the more we see this story, the more time that we live with this video, the harder it is to understand, especially in light of that redacted video from the police department. it's hard to understand with the audio cutting out as shaquille just mentioned and the big black boxes blocking what is actually happening. it's hard to understand why they'd release it in that form and why they wouldn't give the public all the information about this story so that we can understand what happened. >> well, katy, instinctively, i agree with you as a journalist, right? at the other hand, if you are building a ining a case against officers, you'll have to be careful not to taint your jury pool. i get why it's possible a bunch of lawyers got up there and thought whoa, whoa, whoa, be

careful here. if this gets -- what if you end up not being able to use this? look, this is a lot of i think, lawyers who would probably get what might be attempted there. but let's be clear. i think it's hard to see how you're going to quell some of this unrest without an arrest at some point, and i think a lot of people are surprised we haven't seen movement on that front yet. perhaps this is step one with the release of the body camera footage. but i get that. i'm with you there, too, but i wonder how much has to do with the potential charges they may be considering against these police officers. let's move on. protests over george floyd's death were not limited to minneapolis. hundreds of demonstrators in los angeles marched yesterday and look at this jarring video. this is the knbc news chopper that captured the moment a car sped through a group of protesters knocking one of them into the air. the driver did not stop and police are still looking for the

person. we turn to beverly white who has more on what happened in l.a. >> this is not good at all. wow. >> reporter: news chopper 4 over the 101 freeway as a protester jumped on and rolled off a chp cruiser. crowds swarmed as he hit the ground and paramedics took him away. >> it's not fair! it's enough. enough is enough. people do not need to die. there's no reason he should have been dead. he should be alive right now. >> the protest, it's more of our voices being heard. we're not in position to make the decision. we can help put other people in the positions to make better decisions. >> reporter: black lives matter urged marchers to wear masks. obviously, they tell us they are here out of respect for george

floyd and respecting people from more than an invisible virus. >> george floyd. honor that man's life. and change the culture of -- that we're going through right now. >> we need to provide resources to the community. that's what we've got to defund the police because they're murdering our people. >> reporter: this protester is upset how chp reacted to the man on top of the squad car. >> he just put full speed, took off. when he took off, the person went flying off the hood and slammed his head first onto the street. he just laid there on the ground. the cops just left. >> reporter: but this retired lapd detective says an after-action investigation will determine if any mistakes were made. >> did the officer put himself or herself in a position of harm? could they have done something different? all these things will be addressed. >> reporter: for now, police report no arrests. another protest in the books. in downtown l.a., i'm beverly white, nbc 4 news.

>> and joining us is harris county, texas, sheriff ed gonzalez. george floyd was originally from houston, which is in harris county. sheriff, thank you very much for joining us. i know you've spoken out about this. you've tweeted about it a number of chiefs across the country have been very outspoken in their condemnations for what happened to george floyd. the mayor of minneapolis just now said that's a result of systemic racism and hundreds of years of it. i want to get your opinion on it and how you go from where we currently are in may of 2020 and build back trust between communities and the black community and the police and the police departments across this country. >> well, first, thanks for having me and i want to offer my condolences to george floyd's family. he had roots here in houston. he played football at jack gates

high school as well. and we've seen this scenario play out far too often across our nation. encounters between law enforcement and minority communities are becoming deadly. especially those involving black men. and so it often shows where the use of force is often exceeded what was necessary. and so we really have to take a close look at many things. i think it's important that we are cognizant that there is a long history that often hasn't been good between minority communities and law enforcement. one of my most vivid memories that's stamped in my memory is growing up here in houston in the late '70s and the protests that occurred when joe campos torres died at the hands of law enforcement locally. and the local police department went through significant changes. and i think it's important to note what you mentioned that law enforcement leaders across the nation are reaching out and

sounding their voices saying and condemning the actions of what they saw this police officer and the other police officers do or didn't do in this particular situation. i think that it takes a number of different actions for us to go forward. i think it's important to know that, frankly, the reaction that -- the reaction we're seeing to the death of george floyd is because communities -- especially communities of color are tired of hearing us speak about change and not delivering on a consistent basis. they're tired of hearing us say in our profession that we value all lives. yet the outcomes aren't always reflective of that. so i think it's a moment for us to pause, to reflect, to see how we can do better to not let this incident change or tarnish the hard work of many law enforcement professionals across the nation, the agencies that have been very progressive and forward thinking in changing practices and protocols. we must make sure that our

workforce reflects the communities we serve, and we must make sure that our dialogue is constant and genuine. and we reach out and build those bridges, not when they -- when there's a moment of crisis, but ongoing. >> sheriff, is this a recruiting issue or a training issue? i think a lot of people would like to know, is it the type of people that are being recruited? is it the vetting process in the recruitment process? is it the education during police academy? what are you -- what would you diagnose on this front? >> i think it's a number of things. i don't think there's one thing. this is so egregious that it forces us to reflect and look at everything. look at our training protocols, our procedures. but i think that another thing that we're missing is culture. i think what's troubling here is that we see the actions of the one officer with his knee on the

neck of mr. floyd, but we need to recognize that there were other officers, and no one did anything to intervene to help their teammate defuse the situation to not let it progress, not help de-escalate it. they just seemed to remain idle and allow that interaction to continue and go bad. and i think that also speaks to the importance of culture in policing. and we also have to make sure that we're building those bridges. law enforcement officers also feel under attack historically where many have been ambushed. many lose their lives as well in service to the community. so we have to make sure that we're exploring this. but the anger and emotion that we're seeing is real. we can't, you know, turn a blind eye to that. but it's also important that -- my players go orayers go out to minneapolis community. we want to encourage people to protest peacefully, not

violently. not commit violent acts while doing this. it was very telling that much of the press conference that we just heard as well, much of the time was spent talking about the social unrest and that actually takes away from the real story which was the death of mr. floyd, what led to it. how can we improve. how can we make sure that we condemn the actions of those involved and that's what the story should be. >> sheriff, why does this keep happening to black men? >> well, as i said earlier, it continues to play out far too often, i think, in different types of scenarios. you know, i think that we have to really understand all communities, make sure there's empathy, that we understand the long history that has existed. the mistrust. we have to understand that some communities do not have to raise their children to be afraid of law enforcement. the others seem to have to have that conversation. i was having a conversation with a police colleague of mean that happens to be a black male and

he was saying how even him in the profession, he talks to his son to make sure that he understands how to behave when he's getting stopped by law enforcement. and that should not be the america we live in. that should not be what we strive to do. i really don't know the answer about why it happens but far too often we see individuals as a threat. we need to be de-escalating and make sure that we are always constitutional. that we're respectful. that we're -- that we only use the force necessary. so we have to look at everything and hopefully from this we can continue to learn and make sure this doesn't happen again because it's happening far too often across our nation. >> harris county, texas, sheriff ed gonzalez, sheriff, thank you very much for joining us today. after the break, we're going to go live to our reporters at the white house and in hong kong. you're watching msnbc.

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here's a look at the latest coronavirus numbers right now. more than 1.7 million confirmed cases of covid-19 here in the united states. more than 101,000 people have new died. charlotte alter said it was 14 gettysburgs, 40 d-days. 339 9/11s.

americans who died in world war i and vietnam combined. and the death toll is climbing. 20 hours after we passed the 100,000 deaths mark, president trump tweeted his condolences to the victims. he wrote, quote, to all of the families and friends of those who have passed, i want to extend my heartfelt sympathy and love for everything that these great people stood for and represented. and now his administration has decided to break precedent during this pandemic. the trump administration will not release an economic forecast for this summer. joining us now is nbc news white house correspondent and host of "weekend today," peter alexander. so this decision not to release that economic outlook, where does it come from? >> now confirmed by nbc news as well, we should note here. so the white house would normally put out its economic, formal economic projections at the beginning of the year in february and at midsession report, a review that comes out

usually july or august. that's not going to happen this time around. white house officials telling us it happens because of a variety of reasons. it would be inaccurate right now because of the volatility they're seeing as a function of the pandemic and its impact on the economy. and number two, because they say they simply don't have the resources to deal with it right now. but this midsession review would significantly provide updated projections on economic trends. things like unemployment, uninflation and economic growth. and one of the reasons potentially problematic for the white house to put it out is because it would demonstrate this extended economic downturn right now, including the high level of unemployment that many forecasters project may be in double digits, above 10% heading into 2021 and, of course, all of it would be coming out just months before the november election. >> donald trump is running on the economy going into november

2020 claiming that he had the best economy and that's why you should re-elect him. peter alexander, thank you for that context. thank you very much. chuck, over to you. >> i'm not surprised, though. there's a lot of uncertainty. it's tough to forecast the economy for the next couple of months, in fairness, but, still, we get that. today, the united states, australia, canada and the uk issued a joint statement criticizing china's decision to impose a new national security law on the semi-autonomous region of hong kong. it will give beijing broad powers to combat what chinese officials deem to be acts of secession, terrorism and foreign interference in the territory. hong kong pro-democracy protesters decried the new law. joining us is nbc news global correspondent tessa in hong kong. they passed this. when can we start to see the potentially ugly implementation

of this law? are we going to start to see mass arrests of democracy protesters? >> well, the implementation could happen as soon as this summer. this could easily go through, and china wants to get this done before september. as you say, this is about broad powers of china and hong kong openly. there's always been an awareness that china isn't controlled. that china is always watching and they have the right. but the one country, two systems is what creates that buffer that keeps hong kong in a bubble. this law could burst that bubble. just as an example, could activist groups suddenly be banned or are we going to see chinese agents operating freely in hong kong? the u.s. indeed has been critical of this law. u.s. diplomats tried to call for a u.n. emergency meeting which china vetoed. mike pompeo told the congress

that hong kong is no longer autonomous from china. that calls into question the special relationship between hong kong and the u.s. where there are special economic privileges. the u.s. could very well decide to end that. i spoke with the president of the american chamber of commerce here because businesses are certainly watching this. and i asked her, what if that ends? she said american companies are not just going to pack up and leave the country but they have to realize and decide whether to do business in a chinese city just like any other. and an interesting point that she brought up is that she feels like hong kong is like the new berlin in reference to the cold war where two major powers are really just trying to outdo each other. from the streets of hong kong, we're bound to see more protests and in the corridors of power as well. >> tessa, in a weird way, is china hoping that hong kong is no longer a financial center? in their own machiavellian way, isn't this a way to, in their minds, strengthen shanghai?

>> that's really an interesting question, chuck. if you present it to people here, everyone says hong kong is a win-win for both china and its western partners. so why would china shoot itself in the foot? at the end of the day, china is in a position to want to consolidate power. they feel like they are being cornered and their power is being tested. and i think right now it's more important for them to show and stretch their hand and consolidate that power and give up a little bit of that economic benefit because in the short term, businesses are saying that, okay, we're going to be hurt in the short run with the impact of this loss of special relationship, for example, but in the long run, it's just going to be another chinese city. americans are doing business in china right now as we speak. that's not going to be much of a difference. for china with u.s. trade tensions, with the finger pointing on the coronavirus issue with china, china just wants to show its power, chuck. >> we'll see. tessa arsilla in hong kong,

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we continue to follow the breaking news in the death of george floyd. body camera video from minneapolis park police was just released last hour.

the video is heavily redacted by the police, not by nbc news. let's bring in tom winter who is talking to his sources about this footage. i speculated on the air that it's possible some lawyers got a hold of this and we don't know what charges they are thinking about bringing, how much much that might be contributing to this early editing. >> right. so it could be a number of circumstances. the lawyers could have gotten to it with respect to certain redactions that may be lawfully required in minnesota or for this particular agency. it's a little difficult to say at this point as to why this is so heavily redacted. in many ways, it doesn't really matter. in speaking with police professionals all across the country, detectives, people that really study this type of stuff and understand it, typically the body camera is so helpful to our understanding of an incident because it tells us what led up to the use of force incident. what happened during that incident and gives us a sense of what happened afterwards when a problem was realized. i'm thinking, for instance, of

the eric garner situation where there wasn't a body camera video but it was recorded in its entirety by a bystander. when we look at this type of incident it doesn't matter because a lot of police people are saying, look, the suspect is already in custody. i think the video that's really going to matter is the video you've been showing from that restaurant, chuck, where we see the suspect already in custody. he's not even a suspect at that point. i'm talking about george floyd. we're seeing somebody who has just been detained. he's on the ground. no threat to officer safety, and what my sources and people in the policing community are telling me is that's the best situation for the police and for the person who is in custody. when you see him go down towards the end of the -- we don't see any of this on the body camera we've been looking at. when we see him go down in that car where he's eventually being put into custody, there doesn't appear to be a real violent struggle. but in policing terms, ten seconds is kind of like a year.

five minutes is a lifetime. these incidents and interactions happen so quickly it's so difficult for people in law enforcement. this is what's disturbed the law enforcement community about this. it's so difficult for them to understand why this force, lethal force, chuck, could have been used for up to five minutes. that's what's really disturbing here. >> you know, tom, it's why i think the mayor has spoken for a lot of people. he keeps sitting there trying to figure it out, how no charges have yet to be brought either. tom winter breaking down that body camera footage for us. torg tom, thanks. you'll keep reporting to find out what was behind those redactions. katy, we have a little bit of a subject change. >> let's go over to this. president trump has adamantly opposed states offering voters the chance to vote by mail, even though the president himself voted by absentee ballot earlier this year. in texas, the state supreme court ruled a lack of immunity to covid-19 does not qualify a

person to apply for a mail-in ballot. meaning that voting absentee will only be available to those who are ill or disabled, 65 years or older or will be out of the county on election day. president trump supports the ruling and is calling it a big win. meanwhile, the trump campaign is pushing to make it easier for his supporters in pennsylvania to vote by mail in november. joining us now is nbc news political reporter monica alba. so help us understand the disconnect between these two things. >> yeah, katy, it's not just the general election in november. there's a primary in pennsylvania next week. and that is something the trump campaign is trying to help their supporters get involved in, offering mail-in voting as an option that so many millions of people take advantage of. not just the president of the united states, as you laid out there. white house press secretary kay leag

league mcenany. and there really is no evidence to support this claim the president keeps pushing that there's widespread voter fraud. what the trump campaign and allies are trying to separate here is two issues. they say they are not supporting and are concerned with democratic governors who are now going to be mailing applications to all potential voters in a state such as, for example, in california, where the republican national committee is actually already suing to -- over that mail-in ballot issue. they claim that's different from people who are absentee voting because they can't physically be there on election day. what we can't stress enough is that the president continues to make this a national issue during a health crisis when we just don't know what it will look like to show up and vote in november. that's why these states are trying to take action now. we should point out an important counterpoint to all of this which is there have already been special elections during the pandemic, just a couple of weesweesk weeks ago which republicans won and a large part of the people voted by mail.

they're not talking about fraud or issues like that. it's something we continue to track over the next few months very closely. >> one of those races, or potentially both of those races were in california. when you talk to election officials they'll say if this country wants to move toward mail-in ballots for november, they have to start building up that infrastructure now. it's not an easy turn around and the states need some lead time. nbc's monica alba, thank you very much. coming up -- the battle that unfolded in the colorado legislature over whether or not lawmakers there can work from home. we're going to talk to governor gerard polis, next. i'm greg, i'm 68 years old.

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colorado state lawmakers can now work and vote remotely after the legislature approved a resolution following an hours-long contentious debate. democrats who control both the colorado house and senate pointed to health concerns while

the republican lawmakers argued they have a responsibility to be physically present. >> it's a shame that i had to drive across town against my doctor's orders to be here to speak up and ask for some compassion. >> you need to be here. if you are that afraid, maybe you should think about getting somebody here who is not. and who can show up. >> i should not be here. >> the message i bring today is that i refuse to live in fear. >> i am damn sick and tired of zoom. >> these are serious health consequences. >> i feel safer here than i feel anywhere. and you know what? i go to walmart. and you know what? i don't wipe down that cart every time i take it out. i put my hands on, shove it through and i'm going shoulder to shoulder with people in the

aisles, even though walmart has taken precautions to say you go this way, down that aisle and that way down that aisle. people -- people just aren't ready to accept that. >> this all comes as colorado continues to reopen, albeit with some constraints. restaurants in colorado are back open but with limited indoor capacity. the option to add more outdoor seating. joining us is colorado democratic governor jerod polis. governor, what did you make of that legislative debate in your state? i am sure you have an opinion on which side is right or wrong on this, but why are we having this debate? >>. [ no audio ]

>> governor, governor, we will -- we have an audio issue with your skype. i think we will technically see if we can fix that. so let's go to our next segment here. we'll see if we can fix it with the governor. katy, over to you. >> yeah, legislators -- >> chuck, you know, i believe we just got the governor. >> they deserve representation in the legislature, too. >> governor, all right, i think we have your audio back. apologies for this. i'm with the lawmaker that said we're all tired of this zoom. i think we're getting a taste of it sometimes these technological challenges we're all dealing with. let's start from the beginning there. i want to understand your reaction. that was a pretty heated debate and in some ways it may be reflective of the political divide in your state. >> well, it is. look, legislative bodies represent everybody, right? and so there are people in our state, we've all been frustrated, that don't wipe down

their cart at walmart and go shoulder to shoulder and go down the aisles the wrong way. yes, apparently they are represented in our legislature, too. thankfully that's not the majority of coloradans or we'd be in worst shape, more people dying, more hospitalized. coloradans are they're wearing masks by and large in great numbers. and, yes, they're not going the wrong way down the aisle at stores like walmart. >> so, my question to you, governor, on this issue is there is a debate across the country about whether to wear masks, to reopen, how seriously to take this virus. health experts are pretty clear on all of those things which is take it seriously, wear a mask and keep a social distance and reopen slowly. how do you -- if you're going to reopen your state as you've been doing and partially reopen restaurants -- how do you make sure that your constituents, the people of colorado get the message that yes, this is a reopening. but, no, it doesn't mean that you're safe to go back to things

as normal? >> you know, wearing a facial mask is your passport to more freedom. the more people do that, the more people stay six feet away from others, the less likely it will wind up in a situation where hospital capacities are overwhelmed and there have to be temporary closures regionally or statewide. so people are responsible by and large. this should never be ideological. and that is -- i'm always happy to have debates on ideology and politics. this is not that. wearing a mask is science. for you it's your life. and life of your loved ones. how many people wear them successfully means how much more we can open more rapidly. it's that simple. >> governor, before you were governor you were a member of congress. congress is having a heated debate with remote voting versus in person. and it was interesting and i heard a bit of the debate in colorado. very similar to the debate we've been hearing on the floor of congress which is, hey, as a

public servant, you know, you do have to put yourself more on the line than the average citizen. so, yes, do you have to take extra risk. that is some argument being made by some of the lawmakers. where are you on this issue of proxy voting in congress? you were a former member. do you think it's direction we should go? >> yeah. i think it's good. it's my understanding they used to have something like it in the 19th century where people would pair with one another or, you know, be able to do a proxy if they're horse and buggy broke down in the middle of iowa and they couldn't get back to d.c. in time. we live in a technological era. is there value in getting together in person? of course. is there value in the efficiency that's technology provides with secure voting when needed in a crisis? absolutely. i think for a nimble response at the state and federal level it makes sense to accommodate those for health reasons cannot be there in person without severely

putting themselves or others at risk. >> you're opening restaurants up a bit. you ready to go eat, dine out at a restaurant? you think it's time? would you do it yourself? >> well, let me put it this way, chuck. it's not time for my parents to go out to a restaurant. they're both 76 and reasonable health. they're staying at home. their groceries are being delivered. they haven't left in close to two months and they're not going to leave over the next month. you no he what? while we love to see them with their grandkids, we want them to be there for their grandkids' graduation and marriages and hopefully to be great grandparents some day. it's just not a good time for them to go out. >> governor, i wish your parents would have a conversation with some of our staff's parents these days. i think some of us are having some challenges on that front sometimes with that older generation. governor, democrat from colorado, thank you for coming on. i appreciate it. katy, over to you.

>> chuck, i think i know who you're talking about. i'm having the same issue with my mom. she really wants to fly out here to see teddy. i just can't imagine putting her on a plane right now and risking anything. i know a lot of people are facing that same question. chuck, coming up still unhappy with the recent -- it's hard. it's hard. we all want to see our families. and, you know, especially grandparents who want to get every single moment, absorb everything of their grandchildren's lives. it's hard to put it on pause even just for a few months. chuck, still unhappy with the recent fact checks on two tweets, president trump is promising big action against social media companies. and so later today, the president plans to sign a new executive order. as "the washington post" puts it, this could "roll back the immunity that tech giants have for the content on their sites." joining us now with more details is nbc news technology reporter jacob ward. so, jacob, help us understand

what the president is threatening and whether it might be effective. >> katy, it's an entirely other measure whether he's going to be able to do this. legal scholars i'm talking to say he probably does not have the authority to make the sorts of changes and the agency he calls out in this possible executive order are not even the ones involved. so whether this is going forward, we don't know. certainly, it is a shot across the bow for social media companies. they rely, their entire business model relies on section 230 of the decency act. and that section essentially makes social media companies play by different rules than you and i have to. we are considered a publisher of information. when we put out false information, we're held liable to that by the fcc. social media companies coudo no have. that they're a neutral platform broadcasting out what other users put on to the platform n this case, the executive order seems to be striking at that,

perhaps trying to say here that if twitter goes ahead and labels two of the president's tweets as they did this week as a piece of possible misinformation, then they're taking editorial responsibility for it in the same way that you and i do for what we say here on nbc. and so if that protection goes away and suddenly social media companies have to abide by a different set of rules, that would totally change the way the internet currently runs. whether that is even legally enforceable, again, we don't know. but the fact that he is striking at this certainly brings up the importance of section 230 for making the internet possible as we know it right now. >> so interesting. the fact checks link to what we report here on our broadcast and across newspapers which is that there isn't enough etches to support the evidence that there would be widespread voter fraud if they mailed in their ballots. >> you're watching msnbc. tart wr hot dog from oscar mayer...

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good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. it is 11:00 a.m. out west. 2:00 p.m. in the east. here are the facts as we know them at this hour. north carolina just hit its highest one day total of coronavirus hospitalizations. according to the department of health and human services, 700 people were admitted wednesday with covid-19 symptoms.

that is an increase of 81 on tuesday. two florida mayors are pushing back on the governor's offer to host the republican convention if it it's moved out of north carolina. the mayors of tampa and st. petersberg both voiced opposition. the spokesperson for tampa's mayor calling it irresponsible. president trump is threatening to pull it out of the government if the governor doesn't approve in person attendance. fans of kobe bryant will have to wait until 2021 to see him inducted into the hall of fame. the ceremony scheduled for august 29th will be postponed to the spring. in another blow to the aviation industry, american airlines will cut management and administrative staff by 30%. it translates to a reduction of 5,000 jobs. joined by my co-anchor for the hour, katy tur. she has a look at the latest numbers. the layoffs at american airlines, remember, we talked about a majority of folks laid off, furloughed, thought they

would get their job back. this was the reminder a lot of those jobs that were furloughs, particularly the airline industry, many won't come back. >> yeah. a lot of that demand is not going to come back. the airline industry is going to be in trouble. a lot of businesses are not going to be -- might not be sending their employees around the country for conferences, et cetera. there aren't necessarily -- they're not necessarily jobs that will come back in the immediate term. there is a lot of jobs just like that. chuck, let's look at how the united states, how we here lost 100,000 lives to coronavirus in less than four months. and that's worth underscoring. it is only four months. "the washington post" shows the arc of covid-19 and the deaths in the u.s. here is what he found. the first suspected death from coronavirus was in california back on february 6th. just over a month later, 5,000 people had died. after that, the deadly toll of the virus spread quickly. each additional 5,000 deaths

took only a week, less than a week, chuck. at times the u.s. recorded more than 10,000 deaths in a week. and we're still losing hundreds of americans every day. chuck, once again, this is not, you know, a large percentage of our population, no. but it is 100,000 people in less than four months from what is a deadly virus that doctors and scientists are only starting to understand. they don't know a lot about it and who it affects and why it affects some people more than others. it is still very dangerous. yet, what we're seeing across the country is this desire to go back to normal which is making a lot of doctors, hospitals, health experts very nervous because they don't want to see another spike. that might overwhelm hospital systems, no the in the bigger cities like new york where i am or d.c. where you are. but in the more rural communities that really have no

way of handling it and are not close to a major metropolitan area that can potentially siphon offer the excess of the patients that might show up there. >> look, i just have -- you know, i think i go back to the struggle we've had as a nation to mourn. the president has not been interested in being the mourner in chief. i do wish, you know, we have shown this time line. everybody has a name. everybody came from somewhere. everybody's got somebody that -- and so, you know, i just wish on a weekly basis that's all i would like to see at the white house. on the south lawn, inviting people to read the names of the dead that week. and unfortunately, this isn't the last milestone we're going to hit. anyway, let's move to the other breaking news -- >> sorry, we do a lot to

convince the president supporters that don't think this is a serious thing or think it's being blown out of proportion in some of the more metropolitan areas. >> yeah. >> chuck, let's turn to the breaking news we've been following out of minnesota this afternoon. the outrage is still out there in mipz todnneapolis after the of george floyd after pinned at the neck by a police officer. jacob frye addressed floyd's death just last hour. >> he was all about love and all about peace. he did not receive that love and that peace from our officers on the night of may 25th:but we can still honor him by practicing those values during a time of great strife. that is the task ahead of us. >> a new body cam footage released by the minneapolis park police department shows the moments ahead of george floyd's

death. the audio and video are heavily redacted by the police department. here you see officers detain and question floyd on the scene. joining us now from minneapolis is nbc news reporter shaquille brewster. shaq, what it is like there today? >> right now you have a lot of cleanup from what happened last night. you have a lot of spectators, people coming down to see exactly what went on. and i can tell you that protests are still expected. protests are expected to come tonight. the reason why that is, you heard that a little bit from the mayor, it's because you hear the protesters' main call. the main call mirrors and echos what the family has called for which is they want the officers involved in the death of george floyd to be arrested. they want to see charges come to those officers and they commit to being out here until those charges come. in terms of the safety aspect of this, we know that minneapolis police were assisted by the st. paul police department, by the metro police department, minneapolis metro police

department yesterday as things were escalating here. we know that the mayor of minneapolis has requested the national guard to come in and help keep order tonight. again, protests are expected until there is some action in this case. where the investigation lays right now, it's still in the hands of the fbi and state investigators. we don't have by this time line or any sense of time line on when a decision on possible charges will come. but right now those investigative bodies are doing their work. katy? chuck? >> shaquille brewster, thank you very much. chuck, over to you. >> you know, multiple police chiefs across the country condemned the actions of the officer in minnesota. among them is detroit police chief james craig who joins us now. chief craig, i want to start with you with a question i asked to a counterpart of why nuyours houston. is this a recruiting issue or training issue? is this a vetting issue of

future officers? is this a culture issue? it's clearly systemic. >> you know, i can tell you looking at this situation, looking back when i started 44 years ago, ten years after detroit civil unrest, i didn't want to be a police officer. but i looked that as an opportunity to be part of meaningful change. so one of the messages i'm trying to get out is, look, you don't like what's going on and, you know, police officers and how they provide service in your community, become part of the solution. that's my message. the vast majority of men and women who do this work are some of the best of the best. yes, we recognize that all it takes is one. and certainly when you look at the cowardly act by this minneapolis police officer and then those that were complicit and just stood there, horrible. but what about the one brave officer that could have stood up? i give more credit to the on

lookers. we're trying to get these officers to stop. but instead, other officers sworn to protect and serve their community opted to do nothing. senseless. i just had a news conference just recently. one thing i talked about and i got so much respect for chief ariadando who is trying to manage the situation in minneapolis right now. also just the swift termination of the four officers. i'm going to take it a step further. probable cause clearly existed that that officer, that cowardly officer committed murder. arrest him. arrest him now. because that's what needs to happen. we don't do charging. that's up to the prosecutors to do. we arrest him on probable cause as police officers, that's what we get to do. the and i think that will send a

resounding message to that community like it would here in detroit that we work for you. >> chief craig, what about the other officers that were standing by and watching as this happened? i know that floyd's family would like to see them arrested as well. what do you think about that? >> i think that based on a prosecutor's review, when we talk about probable cause, it is a little bit more of a challenge to get the on lookers. one officer turned his back. i mean you can arrest someone. the standard we applied near detroit, i always ask my team. i say, look, if this were not a police officer and this was a citizen who engaged in a crime of murder and someone else is standing by and complicit, what would we have done? chief, we would arrest. so what makes the police officer any different? now, again, finally, it's up to

the prosecutor to determine what would be the appropriate charge as it relates to the concerned police officer. but when i see that, i'm sickened that i see a group of officers stand by when there's onlookers begging for the officer to stop. and i'm shocked that not one of those onlookers decided to approach and pull that officer off. it would have been risky. but they showed more courage than some of the officers who stood by and did nothing. >> you know, i thought the same thing watching that video. what would i have done in that situation? would i have gone over to the officer and tried to push him off? but i mean -- it's an intimidating scenario. i want to mirror chuck and ask you the same question i asked the sheriff we had on last hour. why does this keep happening to black men? >> you know, it's tragic.

it didn't just start yesterday. you know, i started in policing in it a time where relationships between police departments that were largely white, working in african-american communities, well known fact that excessive force was happening. i know here in detroit they had a unit called stress. many african-american men were killed. and again, when i look at these matters, i don't just look through the lens of well, what is the ethnicity of the officer? tell me the issue. black or white. i fired two officers in two separate instances who were involved in excessive force. they were fired. in one case one was charged. and those two officers were african-american. so i really look at the issues and so it's tragic. here we are post civil unrest in this country whether it was newark, detroit, los angeles, it was certainly no secret that

relationships between black and brown and police were horrible. then we look at today. 44 years in this business, i'm talking about something that should have never happened. we're talking about an officer who stood on top of this man's neck and at some point as the crowd began to say he can't breathe and you could see this victim, yes, a victim, was losing consciousness, he applied additional pressure. murder. that's what it is. >> chief james craig, with the detroit police department, thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective with us. i think it was important for a lot of other chiefs, potentially, to hear what you had to say as well. thank you, sir. turning to the coronavirus pandemic which continues to pummel us economically as well

in the u.s. job market, 2.1 million americans filed for first time jobless claims last week. that means that a total of 40 million americans over the past ten weeks have ended up seeking some form of unemployment. that's nearly one in four workers. with us from los angeles, our business and technology correspondent. yesterday it was the grim milestone of 100,000 souls lost. today it's 40 million jobs lost. >> chuck, that 40 million jobs lost reflects the impasse that we are in right now and our economic crisis. yes, the numbers do get slightly better week to week. but when you think about 2.1 million jobless claims in just one week alone, all you need is the context. rewind a year. think about where we were then. we are ten times higher than where we were exactly a year

ago. and what's particularly jarring about these statistics even though it often feels like groundhog day every week now on thursdays is the fact that these -- many of these jobs may not actually return. so a new university of chicago survey shows that 40%, more than 40% of the current layoffs could result in permanent job loss. and part of that is because the demand and industries are just not coming back online in the same way they did precovid-19. and we're seeing that on the ground here in los angeles. i interviewed a boutique owner, an owner of three stores in santa monica. her name is brooke rod. and she told me a little bit more about how she is feeling about managing and navigating this crisis. listen to this. >> how much damage did the pandemic do to your business? >> i think it remains to be seen, truthfully.

you know, in the immediate, it's like -- it's really hard to look at the big picture. i don't know yet. i think i'll find out. it really is dependent on my customers coming back out and them feeling safe and us, you know, the country being allowed to stay open in some monitored, like, highly structured way. >> now what brooke is talking about there is what could happen if there is a second wave of covid-19. she says, look, i've been able to survive and now that her doors are reopen here in los angeles, she still only able to have about 50% of the number of customers in her stores for safety reasons. can you imagi you can imagine what that does to her ability to get workers back. we have to think about the fact that unemployment often pays more than retail or restaurant jobs. you have people who are struggling with that financial reality plus if they go back to work, will the hours still be there for them? can business owners like brooke

be able to provide those hours? so, you know, looking ahead, i hate to tell you this, but the numbers don't look much better as we look ahead to the may jobs report that's coming from the labor department next week. economists are now expecting that the unemployment rate is going to hit 20%. that would be the worst since the great depression, chuck. >> it's grim numbers. jo, it is hard to see short term how this doesn't -- how this gets better. it may just -- we figure out how to live with it. jo kent in los angeles for us, thank you. katy, over to you. two weeks ago wisconsin supreme court struck down a statewide stay at home order and now it appears that cases there are climbing. plus, an update on when theme parks may reopen and the changes you should expect when they do. first, a new finding that could help us learn more about that mysterious covid-19 related illness in kids. you're watching msnbc.

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there is still so much we do not know about the coronavirus related illness that is impacking children. while rare, multisystem inflammatory syndrome is found in 27 states and washington, d.c. at its most severe, it can lead to inflammation that hinders

blood flow and if not caught early enough, potentially death. a study in the uk could help speed up our understanding of the illness. joining us now from london is nbc news global correspondent willa marks. so what have they found? >> katy, it's a 30 person research team at imperial college london here. they confirmed using blood and infection markers that this condition and it's formally known as pediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome is unique. it is very similar in terms of symptoms to diseases that existed before this pandemic, but it is unique. that matters. it means they can now more quickly develop an accurate diagnosic blood test that means kids like this young girl we met recently will be able to avoid the dangerous and painful consequences of this condition. >> she could be a key in the fight against a mysterious disease possibly linked with

coronavirus. just ten days ago, she was in a british hospital fighting for her love. her mother recovered from covid-19 when tea started to get sick. what was hurting the most? >> belly. >> it was your belly. did it really hurt? >> yes. >> at first doctors insisted it was nothing serious. days later, her temperature continued spiking. >> i said that's when they got worried. and they phoned for advice. >> reporter: coronavirus does not impact most children but she had a deadly condition that affected hundreds of kids worldwide. it was difficult to diagnose her. her symptoms kept changing. they came in a strange gings. researchers inside this lab are racing to find a fast accurate way to identify this frightening new syndrome associated with coronavirus that striking some kids so hard. inviting us inside the lab leading this urgent effort, the professor mike levine that

helped identify this mystery illness. >> there are some markers in the blood which allow us to distinguish it from other conditions. >> reporter: the symptoms include a rash, high fever, stomach pains. the scientists say they're closer to designing new blood tests that will confirm its presence immediately. >> that will mean they can make sure they get the right treme treatment given early. >> reporter: tea is now recovered. her case experts say one of many speeding up the development of those tests. it's really important to say that although the entirely understand what causes this condition, there are treatments available that over the past few weeks have proven to be effective. the challenge for doctors is identifying it early. using a variety of the symptoms they're seeing as well now hopefully as these infection and blood markers and katy, really important to know, all the scientists and clinicians we talked to said if you see any of these symptoms in your child, you have any concerns, best thing to do is get in touch with the doctor immediately.

>> exactly. thank you very much for bringing that us to. the more information, the better. chuck, over to you. joining us now is the medical director of the special pa pathogen unit at colombia university. this issue that we're finding with children who perhaps are asymptomatic covid-19 patients were perhaps flipped something in the genetic code, but there is a similarity to what covid-19 itself seems to create which is this blood clotting issue, the thick eni thickening of our blood. that is a common denominator. what does that tell you about this offshoot disease that we're seeing in kids? >> yeah, chuck, first and foremost, you know, i think it raises alarm for me as it has over the last few physicians to

not ignore this disease in children. for the most part children do not have very symptomatic diseases, you said, with covid-19. and most of them do not become very -- sick enough to come to the care of the health care system. but that is number one. but, two, i think that when you look at the definition of the w.h.o. put out for this syndrome in children, one of the key findings of that is high inflammatory markers. what this disease does is a one-two punch versus the virus that reekz direct havoc. and now we know whether it is triggering of the immune system, it starts as inflammation cascade that leads to inappropriate clotting of the blood or too much clotting of the blood. and this general sense of inflammation. these are the markers that the doctors are talking about. things like the protein and other aspects. we look at generally show your body is enflamed. and so for -- to me, what that

says is the disease, even though children may not be as susceptible, potentially the disease processes maybe not that different in children as it is in adults. we need to keep paying attention to this population. >> so if this blood test is scaled up quickly and could get out to bigger populations, does that make it easier to say, okay, we can reopen schools safely? we can send our kids to camp safely? >> i think part of the goal is to actually identify the markers and hospitalize children. right? when they come in with these symptoms. because that's generally when they'll have the highest amount of specificity to say, yeah, this is a child that might progress to having this setting. we would have to see the data and see the clinical validation of our large group of children to be able to say that. that would be great if that was available. i think what it says is children need to come to care earlier. so to run these types of tests. if that's the case, then we need to test children and pay

attention to testing, particularly as the open schools, the guidance from cdc is setting up the engineering about the spacing between students and allowing disinfection and ventilation and reducing common spaces. but here again, it stresses the importance of having testing be an important part of that return to school so we can find a sick children and get to the hospital. so we can treat those at higher risk for these types of conditions. >> doctor, while we understand those who have -- those who have high risk when it comes to if they get covid-19, a high risk for having a worse outcome, hospitalization or god forbid worse than that, death. but where are we in the research of trying to understand why is it that some people get symptoms and why is it that don't? do we think -- let me ask you this, do you think we're going to see there will be a definitive reason why some people are asymptomatic? that there is something in the

genetic code? something in the blood type? is that where the research is going right now? >> so we have found for other infectious disease that's there are genetic propensities that create greater immunity or resistance to having severe disease. that is certainly true for viruses such as hiv. we discovered there are people long term survivors or suppressors for hiv. but it is usually not such a slam dunk. you know, i do hope that we do find something particularly in children, for example, the finding of the cases has been so prevalent in uk and u.s. we have not seen it in a the lot of other asian countries. is that a genetic proponent? i think are other aspects we may discover. generally what happens with diseases and infectious diseases is we find it's partly genetics, partly how you're exposed, what was the dose of the infection, the virus itself. that might determine how sick you get. and that might not explain health care workers tend to get

sicker or, you know, might have a higher chances of getting sicker and have more symptoms because they come into contact with more of the virus. it may have to do something with our social life. something with the health of our lungs that we don't yet recognize. it's a moving target. i do think genetics is going to be a big part of it as well. >> well, it's funny you say that, doctor. i saw one study about how making sure you exercise to a point of gasping for breath is good for lungs and the stronger your lungs are, maybe the better you can ward off covid-19. so it's funny how one little nugget like that, that was one i grabbed on to about strengthening the lungs. as you point out, we still have a lot to learn about this. doctor, thank you for sharing your expertise with us this afternoon. appreciate it. katy, over to you. for a second time, tom hanks is helping in the fight against coronavirus. he put this picture on his instagram showing plasma that he donated.

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protests are planned across the country tonight in response to the death of george floyd while in police custody. during a demonstration in los angeles, a car ran through a

group of protesters in the streets striking and injuring one of them. the lapd is still searching for the driver of that car. chuck? the death of george floyd is being felt by many people across the country. but especially by those closest to him. earlier today, my colleague spoke with former nba star stephen jackson, a life long friend of george floyd, who he described as his twin. take a listen. >> it was meant to be. i'm from port arthur, texas, 45 minutes from houston. and we were introduced through awe mutual friend that is passed and rest of peace to him. but once we saw each other, the first question we asked, who is your daddy? and it went from there. every time i went to houston, it was my first stop to pick him up and see where he was and what is killing me the most about this whole thing is being a professional athlete, so many

people abuse your friendship and your kindness and he was one of those guys that genuinely supported me. he didn't call unless he really needed it. you don't have many people that generally support you without any motives. and floyd was that guy. >> how did you find out what happened, stephen? >> my girlfriend's mom is from minnesota. and we talk about these type of things all the time. they sent videos all the time. i was asleep on the couch with my daughter and she sent me -- i looked at the video. i was thinking it just another video she is sending me, another black man getting murdered by the police. and i really didn't pay attention to it. as i clicked out of the message, i had 50 messages. i clicked on one of them from my friend mike d. he said, you see what they did to your twin in minnesota? i jumped up, screamed, scared my daughter. you know, welcome broke may hand punching stuff because i was so mad. i get mad and i get into a full face of tears when i see a homeless man on the street that

i can't help. so let alone my best friend on tv for the world to see getting killed over a fraud charge or fake $20, it just destroyed me. and i haven't been the same since i seen it. >> one thing that struck me about that video, stephen, is you hear him actually cry out for his mother. i did not realize that his mom had actually passed away two years ago. when you saw that, when you heard that, what did you think? >> it hurt, man. it hurt. because i knew that was a cry for help. i'm a black man. i'm a strong black man. i know floyd. that's a cry for help. we don't scream our mother's name like that unless we know something is wrong and our life is in jeopardy. that was a cry for help. he even cried out for his kids. it was just tough to see. you know, his kids had to see that. i was talking to his daughter's mother yesterday. the whole time i'm talking to the daughter is screaming. she has to see this the whole world has to see this and deal

with it for the rest of her life. it's just not right, man. >> stephen jackson being interviewed by craig melvin. katy, not much to add to that. i think that is something people should hear and experience. >> it is -- the story gets harder to take in by the minute. let's move on. two weeks after the wisconsin state supreme court struck down the statewide stay at hem order, officials there are reporting a record number of new cases. the county has seen a 20% spike in new infections since the stay at home order ended. rebecca clof with our affiliate has more. >> reporter: the county health department says they're worried. the number of covid-19 cases are not going down. in fact, it's the opposite. >> my message for tonight is really to just implore the county residents this is not

business as usual. we are still very much on the rise: >> reporter: the county is reporting a 20% spike in coronavirus cases since the safer at home order was lifted. in total, since march, more than 1,000 people have tested positive. 24 died from the coronavirus. now health officials are monitoring outbreaks at local bars and restaurants. >> today alone, we saw several dining and drinking establishments that had seven positive cases. so these are employees of these dining and drinking establishments that are positive. and this is sort of the scenario that they're afraid of. >> they're also concerned about contact tracing, noting the difficulty of tracing down the hundreds of people that came down with a bar or dining worker. officials are also seeing an outbreak at a senior care facility. six people living in the bay at

sharidan have died in recent weeks. the facility says everyone is now being tested for the virus. >> the virus is still here. we very much want to help control it. >> reporter: next week, the county plans to open a new testing site run by the national guard. you don't need an appointment to be tested. reporting in kenosha, tmj-4 news. that was rebecca kloff from wtmj. this was exactly what health officials worried about and exactly what they predicted. >> yeah. another passing that we want to note. one of the giants of texas politics, former republican congressman p.o.w. sam johnson has died. johnson has -- was held prisoner for seven years at the hanoi hilton during the vietnam war. went on to serve his country for three decades at capitol hill. he pass add way at a hospital in plano from a cause not related

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was scrubbed with minutes to go yesterday afternoon because of bad weather in the area. the next window for astronauts is this saturday at 3:22 p.m. so set your dvrs. will the weather cooperate though? let's bring in msnbc weather reporter bill karins. so what is the forecast? >> it's florida. it's the afternoon. it's the rainy season. i mean, it's tough. they know that going into it. but they don't really have much of a choice. the timing of it has to be so perfect. they can't delay it. they can't be like there is a thunderstorm. let's wait two hours. it has to hit exactly at 3:22 saturday. they have to hit the button and launch or they won't time it up right. then they have to go to sunday. if that doesn't work, they have to go on. as we learned yesterday, there are so many criteria. they don't want to take any chances. yesterday we had lightning within ten miles within a half hour of launch. if the rocket lifted up, it had to go through an anville cloud,

the top clouds of thunderstorms that are electrically charged. and there was a lot of electricity in the air. they have meters. we were not even close yesterday. so let's get into the forecast for saturday. so launch forecast, the greens that you show on this are showers and pop-up thunderstorms. the computer models are showing a couple of those right over the launch pad about 2:00 to 3:00 p.m. and a couple nearby at 3:00 p.m. there is a 60% chance of showers and thunderstorms saturday afternoon. right now the official launch forecast and the 45th weather squadron is saying a 50% chance that -- a 60% chance of a no go. so then that brings us into sunday, we do it all over again. that launch would be at 3:00 and if you can see behind me, once again, numerous showers and storms. its difficul it's difficult. it's the afternoon in florida. it is super humid. we have to hope we get lucky. if it gets canceled, they won't know for 30, 45 minutes ahead of time. >> bill karins, bill, thank you

very much. chuck, i don't know about you. i would love to see a safe launch at 3:22 on saturday. my fingers are crossed. >> yeah, but bill is right. in the summer, every floridian is a weather forecaster. there is a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. let's go back to florida. a number of popular theme parks are planning to reopen in the weeks ahead. disney world announced they plan to begin a phased reopening on july 11th. joining us from from florida is none other than kerry sanders. the orlando theme parks, they want to open. >> they do. and we're at the florida aquarium which is already open. and what they're doing is sort of a precursor, i think, of of what we're going to see across the board. they're limiting the number of people that can come in here at this particular case, everybody is required to wear a mask. that is not a state mandate. a mandate here from the florida aquarium. but as the theme parks begin to open, remember, those theme parks are the life blood of this

state. >> reporter: theme parks are reopening this summer. legoland and universal orlando, part of our parent company nbc universal scheduled to reopen in june. and disney world and sea world just announcing plans to reopen in july. >> we believe our reopening proposal for our property reflects a very thoughtful, methodical and phased approach. >> reporter: parks are making changes to ensure the safety of visitors. >> are those coming to the park going to feel safe? >> i believe so. yes. we are implementing a number of operational changes, a comprehensive set of measures are put in place with the best guidance from the cdc as well as other local health authorities. >> reporter: disney world universal and sea world requiring employees and guests wear facemasks with legoland, encouraging guests to wear them. all of the parks will have temperature checks. cashless payments, and social distancing for rides.

>> six feet away from here today. >> disney even creating a social distancing squad to remind guests of protocols. fireworks, parades, and other events that create large crowds, suspended for now. theme parks closed in march because of the pandemic. causing huge losses in revenues. shanghai disney reopened two weeks ago. the successes there now a model for all florida theme parks. the key, they say, limited capacity with half the usual crowd sizes. while enhanced safety measures are being taken, the theme parks are also offering this warning to visitors -- >> we are providing a safe operating experience from our operational changes. but they are still accepting the liability for any illness that's may arise. >> reporter: theme parks unsure who will show up when they open. would you feel comfortable going to a theme park right now?

>> i don't know. >> probably not yet. >> i'm glad they're ocpening. i'm excited they're opening. >> and there is an update now. sea world will be will be openi june. it's disney that looks like it will be opening in july. and again, all of the openings that we're gipibeginning to seee here at the florida aquarium, all of them are going to basically be a balance of having the employees in making sure that things are running smoothly and at the same time making sure that the customers who show up are following the rules, making sure that social distancing is something that people respect. if they require masks, wearing masks. if they don't require them, some folks may choose to wear them anyway. guys, back to you. >> carrie sait's an important pe florida economic engine. katy, you think it's hard enough

dealing with kids waiting in line for space mountain when they're jammed together, now make them do it while they're socially distanced. >> and wearing a mask, it would be difficult in hot weather. coming up, lawmakers in pennsylvania are alleging a coronavirus coverup inside the state capitol. was one lawmaker's diagnosis deliberately hidden? that story next.

outrage and calls for resignations at the pennsylvania state house. democrats are accusing pennsylvania house republican leadership of covering up a fellow lawmaker's covid-19 diagnosis which ended up exposing all of them to the virus. reporter jim rosenfeld from our affiliate in philadelphia, nbc 10, has more. >> the weekend of the 16th i started feeling under the weather. >> reporter: 11 days after he says he first started feeling possible symptoms of covid-19, state representative andrew lewis of central p.a. is going public with his own experience with the virus. >> got the positive test on the 20th. >> reporter: lewis says while his case was mild, he informed anyone he had been in contact with of his positive test as he began self-isolating. by then he says it had been six days since his last visit to the capitol back on may 14th. >> one, i wore a mask.

two, did not shake any hands. three, it's pretty much a ghost town at the capitol right now. the dacafeteria is closed. i actually only interacted with a handful of folks. >> i can't believe this is happening today. >> reporter: disbelief from brian sims who say he and other democrats in the house just learned this morning that members with whom he sits on the government committee tested positive for covid-19 including lewis. >> every single day of this crisis the state government committee in pennsylvania has met so that their members could line up one after one after one and explain that it was safe to go back to work, safe to go back to race car driving or dog grooming or getting your hair cut. meanwhile we're learning that during that time period they were testing positive. they were notifying one another and they didn't notify us. >> reporter: at least one other gop member of the same committee also went public today on twitter confirming he self-quarantined because of possible exposure. state representative russ

diamond tweeted, lefties whine because i self-quarantined but didn't get tested after possible covid contact. confirmed by my doc, no reason for testing, even if i could get tested with no symptoms. apparently seen on the state's gop twitter account at the capital as recently as may 21st, one day after his colleague tested positive. tonight a spokesman tells nbc 10 we followed data and science implementing the guidance from the cdc exactly what governor wolf requires from any business that wishes to operate. >> i wasn't plaping on talking about this until after the election but in january i donated a kidney. >> reporter: sims meanwhile revealing his own health concerns and calling for an investigation. >> i want a full blown investigation by the attorney general. every single member of republican leadership that knew that this was happening, i want an investigation of what kind of contact tracing they did.

>> that was jim rosenfeld from our affiliate in philadelphia at nbc 10 and i will tell you, katy, this is a story that i think has some legs and we haven't heard the end of it there. that is it for both katy and i for these two hours. nicolle wallace and brian williams will pick things up after this quick break. right now is a time for action. that's why usaa is giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. discover all the ways we're helping members today.

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good afternoon. brian williams here with you. 3:00 p.m. here in the east, 12

noon on the west coast. nicolle wallace will be with us momentarily but first the headlines and the facts as we know them at this hour. just one day after the u.s. death toll passed 100,000, we have lost another 1,300 americans to the coronavirus. actual number could be much higher as some people who died may not have been tested. the economic toll on this country keeps growing with another 2 million americans filing first-time unemployment claims just in the space of last week. that makes nearly 41 million people who have filed for unemployment since mid-march. that's just a ten-week period. president trump set to sign an executive order that would reportedly try to curtail legal protections that shield facebook, twitter and google from being liable for content posted on their platforms. it's not at all clear if there's

the legal authority to do that. this is simply a war he's having with twitter after they fact check him on false claims that he made about mail-in voting and voter fraud. and police in minneapolis have released this heavily redacted body cam video that shows officers questioning george floyd, the unarmed african-american man who died after a white police officer kneeled on his neck on the ground. the city remains on edge after protests overnight escalated with multiple fires, looting, clashes with police. the mayor has requested help from the minnesota national guard. we will have much more from the city of minneapolis in a moment. i'm joined now by nicolle wallace, host of "deadline: white house." nicolle, here we have it, a major american city in the middle of a pandemic. in fact, they've had a localized hot spot in the twin cities with cries of no justice, no peace

into the night and through onto the morning. >> yeah, and we're having a lot of hard conversations in this country about the disproportionate impact that the pandemic is having on communities of color. eddie glaud stopped me in my tracks during this hour yesterday with some really tough questions for all of us to answer and i think the questions now about the election are about this leadership vacuum. donald trump has made abundantly clear that he doesn't want to lead some of these tough conversations and i think a lot of eyes turned to joe biden to see what sort of role he takes, how he steps into an undeniable vacuum on questions around race, questions around the ongoing menace that is this pandemic without a vaccine or a treatment as the country sort of deals with this tension and every minute of everyone's lives of getting back and staying safe.

on the topic of lives lost, it was just after 1:00 yesterday afternoon that we learned of the u.s. death toll, that it had passed 100,000 people. president trump was on his way to florida to witness that spacex rocket launch that you and i tried to anchor that was postponed due to weather. during the trip he tweeted about an electronic surveillance bill that's up in the house. he tweeted about the death of george floyd in minneapolis and the scrubbed launch but he didn't address the grim milestone until 9:30 this morning when he tweeted, quote, we have just reached a very sad milestone with the coronavirus pandemic deaths reaching 100,000. to all the families and friends of those who have passed i want to extend my heartfelt sympathy and love for everything that these great people stood for, represent. god be with you. joining our conversation, pbs news hour, white house correspondent yamiche alcindor and dr. redlenner from columbia

university. lucky for us both are msnbc contributor. yamiche, i said this behind your back and i'll say it to your face. you were having a moment, my friend, asking the questions that everybody wants answered. i'll ask you to start where you think our tensions should be this hour. what is on this president's agenda today? where seattis the gap between t milestone that is a gut punch, and where does his attention seem to be? >> i think today we have this incredible split screen where we have america mourning the loss of more than 100,000 americans dying from the coronavirus, and we have a president who's focused on settling scores and lashing out on twitter because they've started to fact check his tweets and are doing what a lot of people have been urging them to do which is really telling people that the president at times and often

frequently on twitter is spreading information that is wrong or untruthful. i think what's important to note is that this comes after the president was spreading this murder conspiracy theory where the white house of course is still not really defending his tweets. instead they're saying, there's an issue there and other people are to blame. we see here a president who is really focused now on lashing out at media companies, signing some sort of executive order to social media companies saying they're biased and targeting him. he's playing the victim in the middle of a time when america leads a leader that is compassionate and shows empathy. i think joe biden's camp is sensing that the president is weak on this issue and you saw joe biden come out and have a pretty touching video that really gets at the heart of fact that people are really hurting. people, frankly, are really scared. >> you led us right to where i wanted to go. let's watch a little bit of

that. here's the contrast that yamiche is setting up by vice president biden and the president. >> my fellow americans, there are moments in our history so grim, so heart wrenching that they're forever fixed in each of our hearts, a shared grief. today is would you pleaone of t. i can promise you from experience the day will come when the memory of your loved one will bring a smile to your lips before it brings a tear to your eyes. my prayer for all of you is that they will come sooner rather than later, but i promise you it will come. when it does, i know you can make it. this nation grieves with you. >> this nation grieves with you. it's something that former president clinton was able to say after oklahoma city, something george w. bush was able to say after 9/11, something president obama was able to say over and over again after newtown.

it is not something donald trump seems able to say, and as you said, yamiche, joe biden seems to have figured out how to work his way into the news cycles of the last several days with pretty stark contrast to donald trump. >> that's right. joe biden has this really personal story that he can tell about the fact that he's lost his wife, he's lost a child -- children rather. so joe biden is setting himself up as not only someone who will listen to the scientists, not only someone who can lead the nation through the coronavirus that we know scientists say is going to be here in the fall and possibly into next year but he's also saying i'm someone who can understand when you're hurting. i'm someone who will show up in the moment and be a sort of calmer in chief. that's what joe biden's appeal is. that's why you see in states like ohio and florida numbers that suggest that joe biden is going to be doing well in those states. of course president trump is in a strong position in some ways but you can feel that in the trump campaign they realize that

in joe biden they have someone, an opponent, who can really touch at some of the voters that they were able to win in 2016 including of course women and white men. those are the people that are hurting of course along with the rest of america but they're also people that were supporters of president trump who are looking and saying is this somebody we want to go with in naomi osaove. the president is banking that if he makes fun of joe biden in a mask and says we need to open the country no matter what the tests say, the president is banking on that attitude to get him through november. joe biden says i have a different plan. my plan is empathy. >> dr. redlenner, do the comments yamiche made about leadership, you're in the public health business, you're supposed to be leading us all but who do you look for right now for leadership within your concentration? >> sure, brian. i think this actually goes

beyond my concentration. this is a matter of leadership that is really all encompassing. it's the kind of thing that -- yamiche's reporting was very interesting. you cannot learn ad hoc to be empathetic. you either are or you aren't. it's not one of those skills you can pick up when an event like this happens or we reach a milestone like we've reached. but we have seen within public health people who are capable of being transparent and honest and effective and authentic. i would include tony fauci in that group. but at the end of the day if we don't have a george bush after 9/11 or a bill clinton after the tragedies he observed or what obama showed us time after time, it is really extremely difficult for that lack of leadership at the very top to be replaced by anybody in any other field. in some ways the way the president behaves and acts is --

sets the table basically for how the country is seen as being empathetic towards the situation, whether it's the breakdown of social order or if it's a major tragedy or this kind of milestone. you either have it or you don't have it. joe biden has had it his entire life. the president seems to be just missing in action when it comes to genuine expressions of sympathy and empathy for people. but i think what we'll see is very great difficulty that we're going to have in getting anything resembling total control of the coronavirus by november and the impact on the economy. we really, really do need a leader who's capable of encompassing all this honestly and connecting with the american people. we really need it. we all do. we need people in public health. >> and one more question if we can return to the at least 15 hours since you and i last spoke

on the air, the piece you've written which people need to hear about the season we are entering and the prediction by our government that we are in for a worse than usual hurricane season, your contention is we can't act surprised if and when it happens, and we've got to be able to do more than one thing at a time and we've got to be able to formulate a natural disaster response during a pandemic. >> absolutely, brian. this is one of the things that i have feared for a very long time, that the pandemic which overlies everything, the guidance we need to control the spread of the coronavirus is absolutely totally contrary to what we would do for people who have to be moved out of a dangerous area in the face of a large-scale hurricane or wildfire. this is something we have not really practiced. we are not ready for our

response agencies and individuals who are very dedicated are also very exhausted and i'm not sure how we can reconcile the fact that when there's a hurricane coming or wildfires blazing away that we have to move people to safety quickly and then put them into shelters, very close quarters. these two unfortunate -- this unfortunate confluence of a major natural disaster and the pandemic is something that we haven't solved but we have to. just a few days from now, on june 1, it will be the official start of the hurricane season and we're also seeing now evidence that many scientists believe this may be the worst wildfire season in many, many years because of the extreme drought that we're facing. we have problems and we need leadership, and we just have to focus on it. governors need to appoint task forces that do nothing but figure out how we're going to work out this apparently

contradictory guidance we'll need for the pandemic on the one hand and the natural disasters on the other. >> to yamiche alcindor, thank you for your great reporting and dr. redlenner for your sound advice. we appreciate it very much. when we come back, the city of minneapolis engulfed in violent protests overnight after the death of george floyd, an unarmed african-american man in police custody. the mayor of the city asking the question a lot of people were thinking about today, why isn't the arresting officer behind bars? plus a promising development relating to coronavirus and our kids as researchers try to figure out why some children are getting so sick after a covid-19 exposure. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one.

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. welcome back. we turn now to our other breaking story today, civil unrest continues to unfold in the city of minneapolis after an unarmed black man, 47-year-old george floyd, died on camera and in police custody. overnight protests turned violent, businesses were set on fire. there were close to 30 fire calls into the minneapolis fire department last night. firefighters were not able to get close enough to fight many of them. other local businesses that were not set on fire were smashed up and looted. it was the second night of

protests in minneapolis after a video surfaced that shows a police officer kneeling on mr. floyd's neck while he pleaded for air. he died shortly thereafter. earlier today the minneapolis park police, a small park police department, released body camera footage of the incident. however, substantial redactions have been made to both the audio and the video. the release of that body cam footage comes a day after four officers associated with the incident were fired, but local leaders and activists around the country say arrests have to be made here. just in the last hour, the reverend al sharpton held a prayer vigil and talked to reporters at the site of floyd's arrest. here's some of what he said. >> you do not need anything more than you have now to arrest those four policemen.

there is probable cause right now. you have a deceased person. you have a tape showing how he was deceased. you have a tape showing the other three police did nothing to prevent it. then they should tell these four police what they tell all of us in the hood, tell it to the judge. >> with us from minneapolis, nbc's shaquille bruster. he's been closely following the story for us. shaquille, you and i lost spoke about 16 hours ago. it was a different scene behind you, but today tell us about the aftermath. >> reporter: that's right, brian, and now you see the aftermath of what we saw starting to bubble up last night when we were speaking. right now i'll tell you we are still down the street from that third police precinct in that third police district where you saw the clashes that happened last night. it's right around that area where you saw looting and some buildings being burned.

i can tell you now you still have a lot of people out here not necessarily protesting but more speculating. the fire department was out this morning putting out the fires. you have people who came from the community who have decided to clean up a lot of the mess, bring their own garbage can and pick up what they can. you have people who are still going into some of the stores nearby. what you hear from protestors on the ground and people who are still protesting not only in minneapolis by the way but you see protests all across the country. what you're hearing from the protestors is very simple. they say they want to see the officers involved in the death of mr. george floyd, they want that officer and officers to be arrested. that's their demand. they say if this was anyone else and you heard a little bit of the reverend al sharpton who is in minneapolis talking about that with the mother of eric gardener, a man who died in new york police custody with a chkek hold, you heard what he said. they want to see an arrest. they say if this happened to

anyone else, they would be arrested based on the evidence that's already there. what we do know is the president has been briefed on this. there are still two dual investigation investigations, one by the fbi and one by state investigative authorities. either one of those entities could decide to bring charges and that's what protestors are calling on today. brian. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. nicolle. >> joining our conversation right now, former federal prosecutor paul butler, an nbc news legal analyst as well as the author of "choke hold." also back with us after an appearance i couldn't get enough of yesterday, eddie glaude, chairman for the african-american studies at princeton university and an msnbc contributor. eddie, if you could pick up where you left me yesterday, it would seem that you were not alone in your observations based on what brian has laid out and

shaq brewster has reported on not just in minneapolis but around the country, where do you see this at this moment? it feels in some ways more fraught now than 24 hours ago. >> right. look, it seems reasonable to me for the protestors and for leadership to demand the arrest of the police officers who participated in the murder of george floyd. look how long it took just to arrest those two men who killed ahmaud arbery. think about what happened to brianna taylor and no one being held accountable in those cases. in each of those incidents there's a clear sense that black lives aren't valued as much as white lives. let me be very clear about the protest. folks have been clamoring about the rioting and the looting. i wish they were as concerned about law and order, nicolle, with president trump and his minions as they are with these folks but i think it's important for us to understand that when

we normalize, when we normalize dr. king's call for nonviolence, we lose sight of how miraculous it was. to call for nonviolence is actually a miracle in the midst of ordinary time because human beings' natural inclination when they feel wrong, when they feel put on, when they're living under oppressed conditions is to lash out. this is the history of the modern west and the history of the world in some ways. we have to try to understand the context that led to what happened last night. >> paul butler, eddie has invoked history, as has the mayor of minneapolis. here he is talking about 400 years of anger. let's watch and talk about it on the other side. >> what we've seen over the last two days and the emotion-ridden conflict over last night is the

result of so much built-up anger and sadness. anger and sadness that has been engrained in our black community, not just because of five minutes of horror but 400 years. >> it would seem, paul butler, that addressing the five minutes of horror would be a good place to start. how would you -- what questions would you have about the fact that no arrests have been made? what else -- just to address the statements at the vigil, what else do they need? >> certainly there's an investigation now to consider homicide charges, murder and manslaughter have to be on the table. the issue is whether the officers had the intent to kill or whether they displayed reckless disregard for the life of mr. floyd. so they'll look at video tapes,

talk to eyewitnesss, look at the autopsy report for mr. floyd. police officers are trained when they handcuff someone, they shouldn't put that person on their stomach. just that position is dangerous, let alone when an officer puts his knee against a person's neck. so those are the technical things that need to be done, nicolle. at the end of the day, you don't have to be a lawyer to know the difference between right and wrong. when you look at this videotape, you can believe your own eyes. and so if you think that you're watching a slow motion execution, you are correct. >> paul, that was exactly the point i was going to make. i think sometimes we get hung up on technical nomenclature and it's happening begin in this case. in this country normally death is declared upon arrival at a hospital. we should make no mistake and

not be distracted by that because we watched life drain from a human being on that pavement and we watched death arrive before our very eyes. it seems to me that when the body cams are all in, when the surveillance cameras are all in and then the bystander video, paul, i'm quite certain you have prosecuted cases on far less than the collide scopic evidence we're going to have in this case. >> that's right, brian. when we have to understand when we look at the unrest yesterday is that the streets of minneapolis have never been safe for people of color. blacks are about 20% of the population of minneapolis. they're about 60% of the people who the police kill. so we have to understand that when we see police responding to a protest about police brutality

with police brutality, that makes things worse, not better. so on the first night of these protests, we saw mainly peaceful protestors being responded to with concussion grenades, with tear gas and with rubber bullets. the police can do better and we know that based on how they respond to white protestors, including the armed protestors who stormed the michigan capitol to complain about quarantine orders. the police did not use rubber bullets for those armed protestors. when it comes to dealing with protestors, what's good enough for mainly white protestors protesting the quarantine order is good enough or should be good enough for mainly people of color protesting police

brutality. >> eddie glaude, please assure us that our country can concentrate on more than one issue at a time. a column of smoke rising from one of our great american cities in the middle of a pandemic and, oh by the way, the through line here is the pandemic that is carving up communities of color across this country. >> if our country can't focus on two things at a time, we have to. sometimes i wonder if we have to question our relationship to this place. peter, look, i wonder what happens on the inside, in your bones, when you have to deal with the ravages of a virus and hatred at the same time, when you have to deal with the trauma of loss, the loss of a loved one, the loss of a job, having to stand in line, long lines for

food banks, trying to figure out how you're going to pay the rent, and then see images of a man dying right in front of you at the hands of the police or at the hands of white people who think they want to police us. the stress, the trauma, the terror of having to navigate this in a time of a pandemic is unimaginable. it broke me as i watched it. i've been trying to pick up the pieces, to say something worthwhile in the midst of this. quickly, we find ourselves caught in a double bind. we need the video footage to convince white america that what's happening to us is actually real. if we didn't have the video footage, those two men who killed ahmaud arbery wouldn't be in jail right now. then we have the video footage that becomes almost like a spectacle where people are eating, enjoying, living our pain and misery and then nothing happens. we've seen video footage over

and over again of black death. and so i'm just caught in between, and all i know is that if covid-19 offers us an opportunity to be otherwise, this moment offers us an opportunity to really engage in critical self-reflection to imagine ourselves differently. >> you've given us a lot to reflect on, two good friends of our broadcast on this network, paul butler and eddie glaude. gentlemen, thank you both for taking the time to join us this afternoon. another break in our coverage. when we come back, the president eager for a distraction turns to a war with twitter, taking aim at his favorite social media platform where he lives by day and the irony of that move is not lost on anyone watching.