so many people are exhausted. their scared they're frustrated and seeing the explicit nature, many police officer, not all, many police officers see black and brown skin and think of criminality. >> i think a lot of people are wondering how much more they can take? it seems like christina greer, mark claxton, thank you for joining us. that does it for me on "the beat" i'll be here tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. keep it right here on msnbc. good evening. i'm joy reed and this is america tonight. across the country, protests continue amid a growing national outcry over the death of george floyd. from new york to city chi to minneapolis, which remains on edge for a third day. and is bracing for another night of demonstration.

floyd and another man died friday after being pinned to the ground by the neck by a minneapolis police officer, whose name remained pressed into his neck for eight minutes, a horrified bystanders and a 12-year-old girl who filmed the incident watched. they were responding to a forgery and floyd resisted officers. all four in the incident have been fired, but not charged. that decision not to charge the officers stands as of tonight. based on a press conference by state officials that it concluded less than half an hour ago. earlier today, minneapolis park police released new body cam footage with video and audio heavily redacted. but it does not show the period leading up to george floyd's death. his death is being investigated by the state of minnesota. today they plenld a robust criminal investigation into floyd's killing and the officers involved in the arrests. >> i can tell you, i can tell

the community. can i tell everybody interested that it is critical. it is essential. it is imperative that the investigation is done right and done right the first time and that is what we are going to do. >> i will say this, that that video is graphic and horrific and terrible and no person should do that. but my job in the end is to prove that he violated a criminal statute and there is other evidence that does not support a criminal charge. we need to wade through all of that evidence and to come through to a meaningful determination. >> last night peaceful protests in minneapolis escalated as demonstrators clashed with police who fired tear gas and rubber bullets. quite a contrast from the armed protests we've seen against covid-19 restrictions. today, governor tim walls activated the minnesota national guard to respond to the protests. minneapolis mayor jacob fry called to the arrest of the four

officer involved says hard work will be required to restore peace in the city. >> what we've seen over the last two days and the emotion-ridden conflict over last night is the result of so much built-up anger and sadness. anger and sadness that has been engrained in our black community, not just because of five minutes of horror, but 400 years. >> floyd is the third black american killed in less than a month under circumstances that have provoked national outrage. which explains why his killing caused tensions to explode and overtake our coverage of the pandemic. for more i am joined by california congresswoman sharon bass, attorney ben crump, who is representing the floyd family

and nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez in minneapolis. thank you all for being here. i am going to go to you, first, ben, because you are representing the family and i just want to ask you, what did you make of the press conference today at which the decision at least for now was made that there will not be prosecutions? and what does the family think about? >> it was very sad, joy. george floyd's family who watched the press conference along with me was disgusted. they continue to say, all the everyday you need, all the probable cause you need is on the video. people in our community are arrested every day for far less probable cause than a video showing a man being killed by another man putting his knee on his neck for 8 minutes.

and you can just imagine how this must make this family feel every time they are -- wake up another day and he is not arrested. it's an insult to justice every day they're not arrested. and i know the district attorney and the veteran department of justice has been reaching out to the family itseies and say pleae patience, we're working as hard as we can. but that falls on you know deaf ears when you think about the lessons from eric gardner. they said i can't breathe. and yet nobody was arrested and charged and held accountable for the death of that unarmed black man who was alleged to have committed a non-violent criminal charge.

just like george floyd and the last thing i will say because i told them i will say this, any witnesses that were there who witnessed george floyd being killed at the hands of the minneapolis police department, we implore you to contact the district attorney's office so they won't have that excuse anymore. >> yeah. and you know i will note that "the washington post" reports that even police chiefs who normally would say, you know, wait and stay for calm. not this time. in years past, police officers probably would have called for full time consuming patience from citizens until all the facts are in. not this time. there is disgust across the country at what we are seeing. we see gabe gutierrez out there in the streets of minneapolis. we see lot of people out there at a time in covid when staying home people have been faithfully doing. not today. give us a sense of what's happening out there? >> reporter: hi there, joy, we

heard mr. crump talk about how the family was disgusted. that the sense you get from some of the protesters. you can see the damage from that auto zone fire. the auto part store that went up in flames last night. authority spent most of the day assessing the damage in this part of south minneapolis, but if we spin the camera around, you can see that hundreds of protesters have gathered here following that news conference that you just discussed, that wrapped up a short time ago, again, authorities promising a speedy investigation. however, no charges and any of these protesters are frustrated. we should point out, joy, these protesters right here have been peaceful. the last 7 minutes, they have been gathered here. there hasn't been too many problems on this side. can i tell you just a few minutes ago, just down the block, there were reports of a possible stabbing. another group of protest herbs went down that way. there was already a clash with

police tonight. there were police lobbed some smoke bombs trying to dispurse the crowd this afternoon in st. paul which is nearby, i saw rampant looting at many businesses, protesters, looters were going business to business and ransacking the place, taking whatever they can find and when police would show up, they'd move to another business. authorities are pleading for calm right now. many of these protesters are dead manneding answers. they're demanding charges against the officers. that hasn't come today. there is concern this could descend into another night of protest. this area right here, we should point out, the vast majority of the people here are protesting peace. ly, there is no violence right now. there is a very fine line sometimes. this could escalate very quickly and again, it's a situation where the police have a difficult time line to walk.

they do not want this to escalate like it did last night, joy. >> thank you very much, gabe. i think we should note that it is the law enforcement's job to maintain the peace. it is law enforcement's job. those protesters are obviously angry. they're not angry over nothing. they're angry for a reason. is shaquille brufter involved? tell us what's going on where you are. >> reporter: we are down the street from where gabe is right now. he mentioned how things escalate very quickly. that's exactly what we saw. because it was in this block right down there, you see the crowds behind me, gabe is back there. and it was in, if you split the difference between the two, right there where that wendy's sign is, there was someone apparently stabbed and someone stabbed the person under a sid's arrest. weapons were drawn and sitting on the ground. police were called in, they had to go right in the middle of the crowd, the hos tithe style

nature of the crowd, rocks thrown, they had a police caravan go into the middle of the crowd. they set up a perimeter, that's when you saw flash bangs and use of tear gas. they had to do that to distract the person. as the person was leaving, they had more rocks pelted at them. that was an escalation that happened extremely quickly. just about a half hour before that, it was a very calm scene. there were people with music, people saying they wanted to make sure tonight was a peaceful night. they wanted to take control of the narrative again. that's what you are hearing. what you should see when you have been here. that's going very quickly. i will tell you, it was 24 hours now where the situation down there was much different than what you are seeing. it was flash bangs every ten minutes going off for every few seconds. you saw a lost tear gas, people rushing. that when the looting started. the buildings you see to my right, that when the burning of the buildings happened. are you not seeing that scene right now. there are flare-ups here and there, right now a much calmer

scene, what the main message have been, people have been coming down, people are spectateing looking at what's going on, people are here for justice. they want justice for george floyd. the main message they have is they want to see the officers involved. they want to see those officers arrested. we've heard the announcement from the fbi and the state investigators today, they're running those two separate investigation. they both said they promised people justice. they will move as quickly as possible. but they did not make the decision to charge. many people i talked to, the point that they make continuously is that if you look at that ten-minute video, the video that started the outrage, that has spread throughout that we saw on monday or excuse me tuesday morning, it's that video that should be enough. if it was any ought person, they'd say they would be arrested right now and that's the frustration that you hear from person after person in this community. they believe all the evidence is there and that you can still have an investigation. but you can take the person who

killed george floyd off the street. that the message you hear tonight. joy. >> thanks i just want to clarify one thing. there is no reporting that this alleged stabbing is directly related to the protests, right? do we -- is that a connection that's already been made by the police officer? >> reporter: no no it's too early to say. it was in the same area. it was in the same direction of the area. police had to go straight into the heart of the area to do it. the individual, we don't know, that reporting has not been done. i spoke to someone saying they were trying to protect one of the victims, some sort of injury. that wasn't exactly clear. they were trying to protect this woman and there was a crowd of protesters who circled her to help police go and check her out. >> thank you very much. please, everybody, stay where you are. i want to go to congresswoman karen bass, ben crump mentioned eric garner and the i can't breathe. those two men saying that it is

searing how much, how similar that is. but i also think about the rodney king situation that took place in your state in california. that was another instance in which just the people's raw anger and frustration boiled over and not from nowhere, from seeing a man die, a man deeply injured. your thoughts congresswoman. >> well, first of all, absolutely, i certainly thought about and remembered rodney king in 1992. i was right in the center of that you know when the rodney king beating happened, that was really the first time we actually saw something on video and i know this sounds terrible to say, but many of us who have worked so many years to address police abuse said finally, they have to admit what happened. because for so many years, when the police would attack you, what would happen is that then you would get arrested for assault of a police officer.

but we were certain that because there was a video that everything would turn out right and when it didn't, then los angeles blew up right on the corner of florence and normandy. it was just awful. many people died. it went on for three days. it was the largest civil arrests in u.s. history. so when i watched what is happening today, it is just so painful. it almost feels like open seas on black folks. you saw what happened in central park. i just think about it for a minute. if you could imagine. if that police officer had been there and he had had his knee on the neck of an animal, on a dog, for 8 minutes and killed that dog, there would have been massive outrage, massive outrage. the woman who called the police in central park, she had her dog. she lifted him up by the collar. they took him back because they didn't like this way she treated the dog.

she put that black man at risk. he could have lost his life. you have that. have you the cratations that have happened in new york with african-americans and latinos, not necessarily wearing the protective gear or doing social distancing. and up counter-pose that to hundreds of white folks at a swimming party or what you mentioned the people that went to the state house in michigan fully armed, no protection, screaming in the faces of the police. the comparison is just a little bit too much that's why it feels like open season. i know the police have a tough job, they do. i like if fact that a number of police departments were outraged by what they saw. i think the mayor has handled it beautifully. i'm concerned the governor is calling out the national guard. what they need to do is arrest these individuals immediately. if they do an investigation and for some reason decide they're not guilty, then fine.

but how is it that you can murder someone in cold blood, you lose your job, i'm glad the police department did that. and you don't get arrested? where is the justice? >> yeah. yeah. kz confounding. everybody please stay where you are. we want to keep these great guests around as we can. i want to bring in glen kirchner. glen, i have a few questions, i have several questions for you as a prosecutor. i think one of the challenges that people have with the idea that justice will prevail in a case like this is that prosecutors, your former job and police are partners. so they work together to get convictions. so there is already an amenability between the two of them. and it's not clear that there is a habit of holding police officers to account. let me give 2000 examples. two of the officers who were involved in mr. floyd's death had previous incidents. nbc news reports, the minneapolis police officer seen

kneeling on the neck of george floyd was a 19-year department veteran who was the subject of at least a dozen police conduct complaints that resulted in no disciplinary action and one that led to a letter of reprimand, the officer had a career that included use of force incidents on at least one and one lawsuit related to an allegation of violations of a prisoner's federal constitutional rights, yet was still a practicing officer. the second officer you see standing there facing the young people who were videotaping this horror and yelling, please, stop. this second officer, in 2017 lamar ferguson sued this officer, mr. tthao. ferguson took a woman 8 months pregnant he stopped them and searched them without cause and handcuffed ferguson and threw

him on the ground and began punching him. how is it officers don't look at prosecutors like that and say they're detrimental to the practice of justice and get them off the force? they stay and get to keep being police? >> you know, joy, there are abuses and it's natural when prosecutors work with police officer% day in and day out for years. they do develop relationships, professional relationships and sometimes personal relationships. the thing is i always made it a point to convey to the prosecutors that i was supervising in the homicide section, you know, hold officers to a higher standard. not a lower standard and you never let your personal feelings or your personal relationships cloud your judgment when it comes to the evidence in a case. that goes for when you are working with victims, when you are working with cooperating witnesses and especially when you are working with police officers. because we give police officers

enormous powers over the citizenry. powers to arrest. powers to use all necessary force to arrest. and we as prosecutor versus to guard against letting our professional relationships interfere with our ability to see the evidence cleeshly and joy when i see that tape, i see evidence clearly, part of my responsibility as chief of homicide at the dc u.s. attorney's office was to review arrest warrants in murder cases. to see whether there was adequate evidence to make out probable cause to approve that arrest warrant. and if there was, it was my responsibility to sign that arrest warrant. i also worked excessive use of force cases that involve death. because i was sort of the homicide expert. so, when i saw police officers engage in excessive force, you know, that was not something

that we got to put on the back burner. and wait for the evidence to come through perfectly because we could make a decision. let's think about this. these officers were immediately fired. so we know the police department made an instant calculation, how could they not? that what they did to george floyd was dead wrong and they needed to be immediately terminated. you know what, you can get fired up showing to work a handful of times. what i saw was criminal homicide, here's the other thing. you can charge someone right now with a lower level of homicide if are you not entirely sure have you all the relevant evidence. you can issue arrest warrant for manslaughter, arrest these officers and then work the case in the grand jury to see whether that original manslaughter charge should be bumped up to second degree murder or bumped up to first degree murder.

because when you kneel on a man's neck for nine minutes until he's dead and he's almost struggling. they knock him and say get up and get in the car. he said, sir, i can't. we could see he couldn't get up and get in the car. the police have a responsibility not only to the citizens, joy, you said with the protests that have erupted and how could they not? they have the responsibility to keep the peace. the way you keep the peace is not just going after the protesters. the way you keep the space by arresting these criminal officers now. >> and really quickly, stay with us just for a moment. because you mentioned the grand jury process. here's the challenge, glen. i thought of a grand jury one. there is a lot of influence that a prosecutor has with the grand jury. they're leading the grand jury. right. they're leading the grand jury where they want them to go. we saw in the case of michael brown, it was clear the

prosecutor really had no motivation to see the officer prosecuted. you see where they want it to go. it goes where they want it to go. so if a grand jury, if it's left to a grand jury, isn't that just, you know, punting the ball? can't the prosecutor charge these officers themselves? >> yes, you can in the first instance charge somebody by a complaint. you can sign a complaint. but then you have to present it to a grand jury in most jurisdictions in order to obtain a felony die. an indictment an any felony charge. here's the thing, yes, joy, we heard a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. prosecutors can lead grand juries toward and indictment and they can lead grand juries away from an indictment. but if they're doing their job honestly and ethically, you know, then they actually let the evidence take the lead in the grand jury, because you don't want to use the grand jury as cover for a bad decision or a bad outcome that you are seeking, whether it's to protect

an officer or go after an officer sort of more vigorously than the evidence would support so we have to hope the prosecutors will do a straight up honest job, the best majority of them, of us do. and let the evidence take the lead. but that doesn't mean you have to spend weeks and weeks in the grand jury because you can charge these men. i have signed a arrest warrants on much less than what i've seen on that videotape. >> i'm going to get the congresswoman back in. i want to go back to benjamin crump for just a moment. based on what you just heard, you know two of these officers have previous incidents on their records. what do you make of that? i know you have another case. have you three cases right now. one of which involves former police officers who prosecutors initially said, no, we don't want to bring any charges against them in the aubrey case. it's not clear. you know, the original charge against the boyfriend of breana

taylor to say that he's the person who should be charged, because he tried to defend his castle, tried to defend his girlfriend when strangers burst in. so this doesn't seem to work for black victims. >> well, certainly the grand jury process has never been a friend to all people of color who have been scaled by police. it seems they've changed the rules, joy. when a prosecutor is prosecuting young black people, it seems they can always get a prosecution indictment from a grvenlth where the victims -- from a grand jury. where the victims, the eric garner, th tamill brown, you ca never get the process. the citizens and the protesters in minneapolis, because we don't want you to continue to do this again. floyd's brother said we're tired

of black people being killed and nothing happening. i was listening to the congresswoman and i guess i want to think in some ways for plugging my book open season, the genocide of color people. because if the whole criminal justice system that continues to intellectually justify the discrimination when it comes to equal justice for black people in america and that's exactly what's happening, joy, regardless of the coronavirus pandemic, we're dealing with the pandemic we know far too much as black americans. and that is the pandemic of racism and discrimination. >> and congresswoman, i cut you off, i apologize. i would like you to speak as a congresswoman and a state legislature, are you quite up in the state legislature in california. why is it that the law doesn't prevent officers who have serial incidents on their records about

abuse of force from no longer being able to be police. even those police officer could go to the next town over and mr. police officers, i'm not sure the public would have the right to know what their records are. why is it that the laws, i know you can only speak to one state, why do the laws allow police so much latitude and offer so much restriction? >> well, i appreciate you asking. i think that the police officer's unions over the years have been very, very power. let me add an additional one. the fact that many officers, you hear it all the time, after there is an incident like this what they say is that they were in fear of their life and so the standard that is used to determine whether or not a police officer has used force appropriately is so low, i mean, how can you debate an officer saying, well, i was in fear of my life? i mean, the idea of police profiling. that has been a big issue. california is a very liberal

state. democratic legislature. they have passed legislation around profiling. but it is very, very difficult to pass legislation. it's done on a state level. we certainly are looking at a lot of different legislative ideas. you know, of course, member es of the congressional black caucus have been introducing legislation around police accountability for many years so we will continue. but the major reason is because police unions in every state and organizations that push the agenda of police unions have made sure that it is very difficult to pass any type of legislation at all. you are called soft on crime. you don't care about the victimvictims and so that is the situation we are in. we actually have to keep pressing. this has to end at some point in time. >> i'll throw that question to you as well. because it doesn't seem that there is any -- there isn't any penalty, right? if an officer has abusive force

issues, that is shielded from the public. they're allowed to still be police officers. it feels there is just an absolute lack of accountability. >> you know, daylight is the best disinfectant. if we haven't learned from the mistakes and the abuses that we see time and time again, that we need to have information about how police officers are conducting themselves? how police departments are conducting themselves? so we can make you know informed decision about who we want to entrust these broad police powers to. you know, i think better vetting up front of people who want to take on the awesome responsibility of being a law enforcement officer, carrying a gun, carrying a badge. being able to order citizens to do this or don't do that. you know what, if you seek out

that awesome power and responsibility, then you should expect your life will be an open book with respect to anything that might disqualify you from serving honorably and protecting the american public rather than doing damage to the people. >> and do you expect karen bass from having gone through this, might we expect some of those protesters to be more likely to be arrested in the near future than the officers? >> oh, absolutely. but you know, one thing that is encouraging, though, from looking at the protesters is that that's a very multi-racial crowd. and so, people understand that that might be an attack on the black fuentecommunity today. and they understand their privilege that they have a different relationship with police than black people do. so i'm encouraged by it. and i do hope, though, that they

are peaceful. because the idea of them being violent and burning and looting and all of that unfortunately, the area that they are doing that in, it only hurts the community. it is not the way to find a solution here at all. >> congresswoman karen bass, benjamin crump. glen churchner. thank you very much and our reporters. we are going to continue following this breaking news from minneapolis and to bring you the latest throughout the hour. and coming up, donald trump continues his fight against social media companies. i will talk with a constitutional scholar and the man who wrote the book that made trump, his best seller, "the art of the deal." we have so much more to get to. lots and lots more. stay with us. zblmpbltsdz

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and the president's attention you know was clearly elsewhere. he was busy threatening to shut down social media companies because twitter took steps to refuse a few of his false claims. now trump is retaliating with a new executive order intended to challenge the legal protections social media companies receive under the law. here's trump late today. >> the choices that twitter makes when it chooses to suppress and it blacklist, vlad dough, ban are editorial decision pure and simple. what they're doing is tantamount to monopoly you can say, it's tantamount to taking over the air waves, can't let it happen. otherwise, we're not going to have a dreams we're not going to have anything to do with a republic. >> but harvard law professor lawrence tribe says twitter has every right to regulate user content. profess ore tribe joins me now. the ghost writer of "the art of

the deal" who has become a vocal critic of the president trump. donald trump was built by twitter in many ways, now he thinks he can regulate it. does he have power to control? >> certainly not. the first amendment protects private platforms like twitter, whether you regard them as having editorial power or not is beside the point. they are private speakers and they are private platforms. we only constitutional violation on twitter so far as far as i can tell has been that of donald trump, himself. not only when he threatens to shut it down and to take all kind of vindictive steps against it and other social media but last year, the united states court of appeals in new york held that trump violated the first amendment rights of his critics when he used twitter as a public forum and then

selectively blocked those people whose views he didn't like so what he's doing in the middle of really two pandemics, the pandemics of racism and the covid-19 pandemic is engaging in distraction and disassembling. he is creating problem where there really was none. when twitter said that there are some serious factorial problems with some of what he was saying about a possible stealing of the next election, which is a problem in itself. twitter was simply informing the people there was no basis that it was aware of for trump's claim that voting by mail is particularly vulnerable to fraud. so now he creates this huge hubbub. he's got the attorney general standing next to him. but when you read the text of the executive order. and i've done that it's basically just a speech. you know, it's a pretty good

speech, but filled with statements. it suggests social media are all biased, not in his favor. but in favor of some liberal cabal. he's distracting. it's nonsense and yet it's scary because he's let in threatening to do unspecified things he doesn't have power to do, but he's chilling free speech. >> well, and i guess the thing that scares a lot of people, tony, is he was able to convince people like william bar tore take him up on things that are clearly not in his power. you suspect that maybe he can get barr to do something. you just don't know, because of the people he is able to influence. let me let you hear what he said. he was asked the question about the threat to shut down twitter. which is a thing he used to get into office. so he needs it. so i don't know why he shut it down. here he is responding to his threat to shut it down. >> i think this, if twitter were

not honorable, if you are going to have a guy like this be your judge and jury, i think shut it down as far as i'm concerned. but i'd have to go through a legal process. >> how is it shut down? >> i don't know, i'd have to ask the lawyers, go through a legal process. if it were legal, able to legally be shut down, i would do it. >> okay. then what would he do? tony schwartz, you have a psychopath in chief. i reckon everybody read it. it delves into what you know about trump's behavior. does it make sense to you based on what you believe about his psychology? that he would want to try to shut down his absolute favorite medium where he communicates to his faithful followers every ten seconds? >> what makes sense to me, joy, i did this piece on medium and people want to see it. you just go on medium.com, it's right there on the home page, but what makes sense to me is that what trump wants to do

always above all else is to dominate. he wants to be in control. what donned on me over the past several months after years of thinking about what trump's core motivation was, is that it's not actually to be loved and admired and praised, even though those are prima facie true. he has no conscience, so, he doesn't care if people are hurt or if people -- even in the case of the covid case, i'm going to say this very directly. he couldn't care less that hundreds of thousands of people are dying. i mean, that tens of thousands of people are dying. he couldn't care less that an african-american man has a cop put his foot on clumps, on that

young black man's shoulder and killed -- [ lost audio ] it's terrifying to imagine because if trump believes he can get away with something, he will do it. so when we come to this election, should he be reelected, it now is clear to me that all bets are off. that we are in a situation in which this man will do anything that he believes he can get away with. >> well, in that, the thing is that the influence he has over other people is what i think scares a lot of people. he in and of himself is just a troll. but let me let you listen for a second, professor tribe. this is the head of something called cowboys for trump. his name is toy griffin. back on may 17th. i want to ask you something about the law regarding outbursts and statements like this take a listen.

>> i've come to a place where i've come to the conclusion that the only good democrat is a dead democrat. [ cheers ] . >> you don't say it in the physical sense. i have already seen the videos being edited. i say that in the political sense, because the democrat agenda and policy is anti-american right now. >> but you know, professor tribe, you had donald trump say police officers should not be so gentle with suspects and people in his crowds responding about protesters. next time we might have to kill them and threatening people and brutalizing people. you had him encouraging these sort of quasi-violent sort of movements. you've had him accuse my colleague joe scarborough of murder. that none of -- where is the law on whether or not these sort of outbusts and pro nounszments,

where do they cross the line? >> all of them cross the moral line. all of them cross the ethical line. we do have a dominator in chief who doesn't care who dies as a result of his outbursts. he's quite happy to see people sumplt he's vindictive. but under the existing rules, he can't be prosecuted as long as he's president. that's one of the things that gives him an incentive to cheat and to do anything he can to remain president. i think where all of this twitter stuff began, and this is important to remember, was his statement that he's basically not going to accept the results of the election unless he wins. he's been talking that way all the way back from 2016. now he says the election is going to be rigged against him. he says that it's going to be

stolen because votesiing by mais inherently fraudulent. there is no basis for that what that means is he will claim even if he loses the elect tractor-trailer college, he's entitled to stay in office. i haver much agree with tony schwharts. we got to work on legal strategys to get him out of there if he does. he will stop at nothing to retain power especially he's afraid of being prosecuted for some of his many crimes after he leaves office. so we're confronting a rolling ongoing crisis with a president who pretends to care about constitutional rights. there is a lot of colorful rhetoric about the great first amendment in this speech. i'm surprised he didn't throw in the second amendment as well. because he's encouraging the use of gun violence. i'm surprised he didn't throw that in.

we've got a president who's basically the enemy of the people instead of the other way around. wow. >> i wish we had more time. professor lawrence tribe, tony schwartz, thank you very much. be safe out there. valerie jarrett joins me next. stay with us. discover all the ways we're helping members today. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424.

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death of george floyd, who was killed in police custody on monday. joining me now is valerie jarrett former senior adviser to president barack obama and author of "finding my voice." thank you so much for being here. i want to get your comment. we know that during president obama's term, there were uprisings in baltimore, in ferguson, missouri. so this is something that president obama dealt with. how do you respond to the way the current president is handling this? and just to what is going on in general? >> well, first of all, tone starts at the top. if we have a president who says in the context of white supremacists and lawful demonstrators they're good people on both sides, i don't think we should be surprised it's fueling anger out there. but i do want to begin if family of george floyd who is suffering, your pain is our pain, to the families around our country today, that have black boys and men, black girls and women who have to sit down and talk to them, the talk as we all

know what it means. it's just heart breaking. and people are scared and this is a time when you really expect your government to wise up and the leaders in it to respond with core decency. when we had demonstration, whether they were ferguson or baltimore. our justice department, was on the front. eric holder went to ferguson and met with many folks demonstrating. he had teams yogi immediately trying to ensure the demonstrations were peaceful and did an investigation. is this a hate crime? are there investigations there that violate federal law in addition to the local state laws and are there patterns of practice that the police department is adopting that lead to this kind of outrageous situation. this is not a police protocol. this is a homicide protocol, as "the washington post" said yesterday. and so it's an all hands approach. and it is profoundly disappointing that this administration is focusing on

twitter as opposed to the over 100,000 people who have died from covid-19 and folks all around our country who are watching what's on your screen right now wondering how this cog to happen in america? we know this has been happening all along but now we have cell phones capturing these horrific acts. >> do you have expectations that william barr, the current attorney general attempting to invest gate the obama administration and investigation of russia's interference in the election to help donald trump, he's ex pending energy doing that. do you have any faith he's going to do anything, anything close to what you saw the attorney general, both attorney generals do during the obama administration as you mentioned? >> well, i don't have any expectation, but that's why it's up to us, the american people to call on him to do so. where are the justice department

folks? are they on the ground in minneapolis? are they doing to make sure the demonstrations are peaceful and people are talking to one another and working through this horrendous grief? i don't have any confidence of that. in fact, they basically decimated the civil rights division of the justice department and so why would we expect they would be geared up and prepared to handle this. when president obama was in office, he commissioned a panel that did a whole report on 21st century policing to come up with evidence based strategies, joy, to close that gap between communities of color and the police department to ensure the best practices were put in place. you know what happened to that plan when the trump administration came in? it was dumped in the trash dan with the plan how to handle p pandemi pandemics. no, i don't have any expectation. we need to call and tell them we expect action and justice, a pillar of our democracy knowing we can count on justice to

occur. right now, this is a travesty. >> yeah, perhaps william barr should give eric holder a call. you are -- >> he should. >> but he won't. you're the board chair on when we vote a group that works with states across the country to work with voter participation. i want to let you talk about that because the other advocation taken up by donald trump is railing too much access to the vote. what is your administration planning to do 1234. >> yeah, so a couple of years ago, a former first lady michelle obama launched when we all vote. it is non-partisan. it's a 501 c 3 organization designed to help change the culture in our country around voting. nearly 100 million people didn't vote in the last presidential election. our democracy relies on engagement and so over the last few years, we're working to educate people about the importance of voting not just who is running for president but

who is in your local offices, who are prosecutors making important decisions? who is on the local school board? who is on the city counsel? congress providing an important check and balance. so this week we launched civic cities working with mayors across the country and i started in local government so i appreciate how mayors really do have a touch of what's happening in the communities. they are extremely influential and asked them to help us engage with the constituents they have. we have 31 mayors off the bat. many more joined on since then. we're working in high schools. people who are first time voters tend to be lifelong voters. colleges and universities. we have the business community engaged. and to your point about voter fraud, we know there is vote fraud in our country. evidence study has shown vote by mail has not been in any way an

indicator of vote fraud. we should have vote by mail in every state. we should have vote by mail in every state. everybody should be able to go online to register. why is it leaders are not making it as easy as possible for us to vote as opposed to trying to suppress the vote? we're trying to close the age and the race gap and we're confident this is a long term plan and we have got to get people to appreciate in a sense, joy, this covid 19 pandemic has laid bare the weaknesses in government and leadership and we know now the federal, state and local have to be cooperating to manage a challenge like this and so it should be a real wakeup call to the importance of making sure the people in office are actually going to be the ones looking out for your health and your livelihood. >> speaking of states, what do you make of the state of texas where the state supreme court has ruled that fear of covid-19 infection and the risk of infection is not a good enough

reason to obtain an absentee ballot, a decision they made remotely because of concerns they might contract covid-19. >> you know, it's interesting. i just did an event today for a terrific group of women in texas trying to get more women on the ballot and just to point out, texas is a state where you cannot use your student i.d. as proof of citizen ship, but you can use your license to carry firearms. so it has a long history of really trying to repress certain votes and ensure other people do. to take advantage of this moment in time and try to push forward laws that we know are currently unconstitutional is outrageous and i will tell you from that phone call today, it was clear that the women in texas are good and mad and i'm confident they will certainly turn out on election day. >> all right. we shall see. valley garrett, good luck on when we all vote.

best of luck with that. be safe. we'll be right back.

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and that is our show tonight. later on, stay there, rachel maddow will be joined by the mayor of minneapolis jacob frey. this sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern standard time, william barber and i will host "american crisis, poverty and the

pandemic" where you'll meet working class americans just trying to survive one of the biggest challenges that this country has faced in nearly a century. the combination of poverty and covid-19 that's hitting communities of color and poor folks of all races hitting them hard so please tune in for that. thanks for being with us. i will be back here tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern. "all in" with chris hayes is up next. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes at this hour we are monitoring the situation in minnesota where for a third night there are protests in the streets over the killing of a 46-year-old man named george floyd who died on monday. he died after he was handcuffed, pinned to the ground under an officer's knee. police refusing to relent despite flood repeatedly saying i can't breathe. the killing of george floyd captured on video ignited outrage and protest that continued to escalate into tonight.