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good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead should have been 100,000 plus coronavirus deaths and 42 million plus americans unemployed, but instead it's one dead black american and an entire nation saying we still

can't breathe. it's about the death of george floyd by a minneapolis police officer who after a full week of deliberation has finally been charged with third degree murder and second degree manslaughter. of course it goes far beyond minneapolis, all across the country right now tensions are running high. and amid the chaos of a pandemic, we're back to the nation's original virus, raceis. and then there's president trump, who even in his attempts to show sympathy to the family, he didn't miss an attempt to fan the flames, as he did friday. we'll save him for later. earlier this week i traveled to commemorate george floyd's life. i was join by the mother of the late eric gardner, who is with me today at a rally here in new

york, at at the site where her son was killed by police in 2014. it took five years for the officer accused of placing garner in a banned choke hold to even be fired, forget criminal charges. his final word of "i can't breathe" have have never been resonated in the most horrible circumstances. we covered the horrific deaths of george floyd, ahmaud arbery and the nation is krump will be

back in minnesota to deliver eulogies at george floyd's funeral. let me start with you, felonis. your brothers, we talked this week, you and i and member of your family with attorney krump that you want publicly to see the charge upgraded to murder one and you want the other three officers also to be prosecuted and arrested. >> yes, sir. they all need to be convicted of first degree murder and given the death penalty. they didn't care about my brother, he was scum. i don't know them on the streets to kill anybody else. i'm hurt, my family is hurt, his kids are hurt. they will go up without a father. everybody is crying and in pain right now.

if they can do anything, please arrest those other officers and give them murder one. >> let me ask you this, you -- and it's not been asked of you -- you spoke to both president trump and the family spoke to former vice president biden. what did you say to them? >> i asked vice president biden, i never had to beg a man before, i asked him, please, can he get justice for my brother. i did not want to see him on a shirt just like the other guys. nobody deserved that. black folk don't deserve that. we're all dying. we need it. we all in pain right now. it should be peaceful with his heart right now. >> what was the conversation

with president trump like? >> it was so fast. he didn't give me an opportunity to even speak. it was hard. i was trying to talk to him, but he just kept like pushing me off, like i don't want to hear what you're talking about. and i just told him i want justice. i said that committed a modern day lynching in broad daylight. i just don't understand, man. we can't go through this. why we have to have all this pain, man? i love my brother. i'm never going to see him again. >> brandon, let me go to you, attorney krump. you've been in many of these cases and championed them and here we are again planning a funeral that you and i will handle in minnesota and houston

and north carolina. is there a legal basis for murder one? you were saying they had to go murder three. you heard one of the family members say the family wants murder one. give me the legal rationale. >> absolutely, reverend al. the legal basis is right there in black and white. when we watched that video, number one, but also, reverend al, it was revealed, as we predicted that they have body camera videos that had audio and now know that one of the police officers said during this horrific ordeal that he doesn't have a pulse and maybe we should turn him on his side. well, derek chauvin, who had his knee on his neck said, no, we'll keep him in this position. and that with so many other reasons is why this should be

first degree murder because that was intent there, reverend al. that was ill will and malice aforethought. a person was told by a fellow officer we don't have a pulse, let's try to turn him on his side and he said no. despite the people, the emt also telling them, the people on the streets telling them, the lay people saying he's going to die, take your knee off him, and they wouldn't do that. that is deliberate. >> now, the three other officers that were there, we see on the tape they never made any attempt to interveer to stfere to stop, though people passing by were saying stop, you're going to kill him, you're suffering. you're establishing what phillonise was saying today,

everybody else was saying as they walk by they ought to stop. >> reverend al, they are active participants. when you look at the other camera surveillance, you will see all three of them were holding them down and the police report said for three minutes after he went unconscious, they kept their knee on him. >> brandon, give us a sense of what type of person george floyd was. you knew him. the world knows him now in his death. you knew him in his life. you see your father in tears and even we're talking to the president of the united states and candidate for office, there's no peace at all because in your judgment he's not been charged right, members of your family. give us a sense, tell us what kind of person george was. >> he was a great person, a loving person. to know him was to love him. he just had a special way of lighting up a room.

if you ever encountered him, would you instantly gravitate to him. i don't really know how to word it. it's a very emotional word for my family. today makes two years his mother passed and my grandmother and the family is hurting. they took his life from him. he didn't deserve that. no human deserves that. what they did, it wasn't right. i don't see anything justifying what occurred on that horrific video. other than an intent to murder. >> philonise, you said to me on the phone they took his life, you want justice. as you talk to people around the world ride now, all you're asking for is justice. you're saying i don't want a

favor. they took his life, i want justice. >> a life for a life. that's what i want. i don't want any favors, just like you said. a crime is a crime. if i would have committed the crime, i would have been locked up the same day. everybody know that. it could be for something less than that. but to kill a man who you was trying to say was doing forgery and you killed him for that? you couldn't restrain him in any way to put him inside of the car and take him to jail for anything and find out? you killed him. that was hatred. that was just hatred. nobody, nobody deserve that. i'm tired of seeing it. >> that's right. >> i'm tired of this. i love my brother. we all love him. we looked up to him. he doesn't deserve that. >> ben krump, when we look at the loss of life here, is part

of it as you fight in the courts that we are dealing with prosecutors that are selective in how they move because, as philonise just said, why would it take four days when you have a tape to even make the arrest and then make the arrest and charge only third degree murder and second degree assault and this is the same prosecutor that implied the day before there may be evidence that didn't lead to a crime. how much confidence can this family have and the public have that this is going to be a fair prosecution and that the others will be arrested? >> reverend al, the family has very little confidence. in fact, they were insulted that he said there may be evidence that no crime existed. i mean, you're talking about insult to injury on top of the fact that there is probable cause in the video alone to arrest these officers day one, all four of the officers. and, reverend al, the fact that

cha derek chauvin, who callously put his knee in the neck of george when he was begging for breath, he got a $500,000 bond. i agree, would he have ever gotten a bond if he did these actions on video? we continue to argue that. there seems to be two justice systems in america, reverend al, that you and i talk about often, one for the african-american community and one for the white community in america when we have to have equal justice for the united states of america. >> we're out of time but let me ask you this. the body has been turned over and the medical examiner, you brought in an independent medical examiner. we're working with you, the civil rights groups, the national action network has pledged to work with this family to try and get this to a place

where we can see what justice would be given. would you tell us on the timetable on the independent autopsies? >> we brought in boudin to do an independent autopsy on the family and those ruts will be revealed on monday afternoon. and it interesting to know, reverend al, that just like eric gardner, you see the city pathologist trying to come up with things that contradict what we see with our own eyeballs. >> well, we're going to be on this and i'll be there with you every step of the way. philonise, floyd, the whole family and certainly you, brandon and attorney ben krump, all we want is what is just and fair like everybody else in america. i know it's painful to philonise

but he wanted to address the country. >> mr. al sharpton, i'd like to thank you for coming to the funeral and showing up in minneapolis for the memorial. >> all right. well, i'm honored that you asked and i'll be there and, believe me, we'll be there from now on because i don't believe in getting involved in a case and leaving when the cameras leave. we've got to fight and keep fighting. thank you, though. >> yes, sir. >> joining me now is minnesota attorney general keith ellison. attorney general ellison, you just heard the brother and nephew and the attorney for the family. this case is not under your jurisdiction, but in full disclosure i talked to you and the governor while i was in minneapolis and i said if this does go awry, would the governor give you the case as special prosecutor? he didn't commit it but it was a request i put on the record so people need to know when they

see you on television, this is not in your jurisdiction, you have no authority over the case as of yet, but the governor could do that if this goes where the family feels that the prosecutor is not being fair or just or the other side does. so having said that, how do you explain the legal process in minnesota and why are we looking at four, five days before there's an arrest, why are we only looking at third degree murder and second degree assault? >> well, reverend, because it's not my case, it difficult for me to explain all the decision making. i will try but i don't want to be the one who is in a position of explaining something that's really not in my position to have to explain, okay? so i will say, first of all, that this is a preliminary thing, that charges are commonly -- complaints are

commonly amended. charges are often added. it's not an uncommon thing, it's actually kind of a normal thing to amend pleadings. so i don't want anybody to think that this is the final word on what the charges will be. i think this case is being actively investigated and there may be more coming, we will see. and that also goes to the conduct of the other culpable officers, which means that the fact that they haven't been charged already does not necessarily mean that they are not going to be held accountable as well. they have been accountable in terms of employment, they've been fired, but it does not mean that the criminal matter has been resolved. there's an ongoing investigation. so what i would say is this thing is preliminary, people should continue to raise their voices, should continue to demand justice, they should continue to insist on permanent, long-lasting reform and not quit but they should not feel that this is the last word on this matter either.

>> now, this is not the first case in minnesota. we've seen several cases, including the fernando castillo case. so a lot of the emotions and anger that i share with seeing people getting away with things that are wrong, i've heard in the streets o, obviously there'a lot of tension in the streets and picked up around the country because we keep seeing this. this is not an isolated incident. you're attorney general. what is wrong with the criminal justice system and what is wrong with the compassion of people like the president to deal with what is a reality? all police are not bad, most are not bad. but those that are bad must be held accountable and if it's criminal, they must be held criminally accountable, attorney general. >> well, all i want to say, al, is that, look, people like you and me and mr. floyd were held

in bondage for 250 years. jim crow 100 years after that, second class citizenship by law, and there's only been around 55 years of anything else in american history. of course we know it has been the police have been the ones who have maintained, you know, the social hierarchy. when john lewis was arrested, it was because he violated the segregation laws and he was arrested by the police. martin luther king talked about police brutality, malcolm x talked about, it the naacp talked about it, the black panthers talked about it. it is an historic reality for african-americans, people of color and even white working class people have had to deal with this problem. i'm say we go have got to break out of the mold of the past, use this tragic incident to build a new reality where everybody can enjoy liberty and justice for

all and stop being ensnared by these all-racist patterns that we're stuck in. you can't separate what happened to george floyd from the legacy that i just laid out. what do we need to do? well, me and the commissioner of public safety, john harrington, we had a working group on preventing deadly force encounters. obama had 21st century policing. we need to fuel and accelerate the drive for permanent change, and by you coming to minneapolis, being in solidarity with us, you help assure people that the chance for justice might just be within our grass. -- grasp. i want to personally thank you for that. i want to thank reverend, who came in. i'm not going to quit, i know

you won't and i know people who care about george floyd wouldn't quit either. ben krump is a lawyer, a fighter for justice, he's not going to quit. we're going to be in solidarity working together. >> i clearly have committed that we're going to, as we have both on this show followed cases, we don't determine outcome but we make sure that we cover when they need to be a case, when there's enough there. and in national action network, i can assure you we're going to be on this all the way to the end. and at the end, it still will be leaving a family with a tremendous hole. there is a human being here, and you could see the tears of this brother to understand. to us it may be an issue or story. to him it's his brother. it the unc

it's the uncle, the sister's brother. this is something that we're saying the value of life cannot be just discarded and marginalized. thank you minnesota attorney general keith ellison. thank you for being with me. coming up, the killing of george floyd isn't the only death of an unarmed blackman during the covid aera. d aera. available over-the-counter. new voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. voltaren. the joy of movement. new voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424.

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. law and order, that phrase has been the clarion call of the conservative muf movement since richard nixon. and as was the case in 1969,

today's pro points of law and order say they've seen nothing but pathology in the uprisings occurring in minneapolis and other cities this week. in vain, i as a civil rights leader would encourage them to examine our nation's history, both in the last week and the last century because when you look at the more than 100 so-called race riots that have occurred in the last century, they were almost invariably ignited by police brutality against black americans. the contemporary results is verifiable, disproportionate relationship between black america and law enforcement community, one that has defined the nation in so many ways as it preaches law but practices a certain kind of order. because the law should not allow those charged with its

enforcement to commit the worst of capital offenses in full view of the world and not be arrested for days, if not months, if not at all all because doing so would upset the established order. as i've said all this week, without the equal application of the law, you're only delaying the inevitable disorder that repeatedly seed their own executions at the hand of the state or in the case of ahmaud arbery and trayvon martin certain kinds of civilians. during those earlier weeks of the pandemic, we were inundated with messages of shared suffering and solidarity, but i and so many black americans knew that feel-good moment would wear out and be exposed for what it was, a warm sweater on a skeleton. and those of us that dared remind the nation of its original virus, racism, would be

cast as divisive or even worse, race baiters. of course i can tell you that in 50 years of activism, i've never had to bait a police officer to use excessive force, especially now in the so-called era of so-called warrior cop. i've never had to bait a prosecutor into not filing charges against an officer when they were clearly merited, and i never had to bait racists into revealing just how little they care for law and how much they value the order of white supremacy. in just the last month we've seen or read about a sleeping black woman in kentucky gunned down by police officers in the middle of the night, a black teen-ager in north carolina intill dai intimidated by a vigilante mob literally led by a sheriff's deputy and a black grandmother in texas, allegedly manned

handled by police while defending their grandchildren after a traffic stop. and those are just instances involving actual cops, not including white civilians who deputize themselves to police black presence, such was certainly the case with the three men who chased, shot and killed ahmaud arbery in georgia, but also the new york investment manager who threatened a black bird watcher with state power because he dared challenge her right to break the law while white. and therein lies the difference, access to and protection from state power, illustrated in minneapolis where unarmed multi-racial protesters were met with militarized responses over their grievances while elsewhere heavily armed overwhelming white protesters have brandished weapons of war just inches from police because they knew they

could. i hope that we can come out of this without any further loss of life, any further violence, but to those who dismiss without thought what we've seen in minneapolis and other cities, please understand that while non-violence is always preferably and always honored by me and for black americans, there has never been a message non-violent enough. still to come, president obama weighs in. we'll be right back. right back. versus the other guys. ♪ clearly, velveeta melts creamier. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor

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welcome back. while the current president fans the flames of hatred on camera and twitter, his predecessor chimed in with a thoughtful take. former president obama posted this statement on twitter emphasizing that as much as some americans might wish for life to, quote, just get back to normal, normal isn't good enough

for millions of us who face joining me now is valerie jarrett, former senior adviser to president obama and author of "finding my voice when the perfect plan crumbles, the sad venture begi-- adventure begins" >> thank you, reverend. how are you? >> i'm good. >> we just had the brother of george on. he began weeping and it brought me back to some of the years that you and the white house with president obama and there was the violence in baltimore, there was the violence in ferguson and certainly the administration at the time denounced the violence. many of us in the civil rights community said violence is not the way i come out of the aftermath of the king movement,

i believe totally in nonviolence, but i can't recall any time that a president did not show the compassion and understanding to a family. the brother of george just said on this show that when he talked to president trump, trump called him and talked quickly and really wouldn't let him talk and there really wasn't compassion there. and i've been in the room with president obama when he was president, many of the times you were orangi arranging for many that led civil rights organizations, where he actually comforted the mothers of slained people, whether it was police violence or trayvon martin was not a policeman. isn't it part of the role of the president to set a tone of compassion as well as the letter of the law, as well as being firm with those that may be violent? >> absolutely. but you have to feel it. you can't fake it. it has to be authentic. and you're right, president obama considered himself one of

his responsibilities was to be the consoler in chief, but he also took his responsibility seriously to ensure that there is rule of law and that there is justice. and there is a fight for justice going on in our country, as it has, rev, as you well know for generations. and what we're seeing boiling over in the streets is really a response to the frustration and the pain and so, you know, i begin by saying -- expressing my condolences to george floyd's family, to the family of all of those who have needlessly died at the hands of police violence but also to every black family in our country that worries about their children, worries about them now sleeping in their beds, let alone walking down the street, watching birds, driving a car and the talk that we have to give our children that white families don't. and i think what we expect or should expect from our leaders is someone who points out what we have in common.

for moments like when president obama sang amazing grace in charleston after the horrible murder of reverend pickney, to understand why our doors are open, even though there has been a history of attacks on our church. this president has basically thrown a verbal molotov cocktail in the wounds. that's not what this moment calls for, reverend. >> president trump is at the kennedy space station where he watched the launch. let's listen to what he had to say about the protests. >> i stand before you as a friend and ally to every american seeking justice and

peace, and i stand before you in firm opposition to anyone exploiting this tragedy to loot, rob, attack and menace. healing, not hatred, justice, not chaos are the mission at hand. >> but you can't heal without dealing with the wound and taking the poison out of the wound before you stitch it up. >> right, you're just glossing over it. >> when president trump came in, he immediately broke down the barriers -- well, he reestablished the barriers that had began to be broken down, the 21st century policing task force that president obama's administration and you put together, i was in all the meetings with vice president biden and others, and they immediately began trying to rescind all of the descent decrees that the justice department found a pattern and practice. this was after lengthy investigations that they deemed some cities had a pattern and

practice and would have to be under consent decrees of the federal government, they backed up on all of that. all of those things were leading toward trying to avoid what has happened to george floyd. >> exactly. so let's just take ferguson as an example. when michael brown was shot and killed, president obama sent attorney general eric holder to ferguson to meet with the demonstrators and the community leaders and to look for a peaceful solution. he also, eric holder, began an analysis, an inves fact, there a pattern of practice of discriminatory behavior and get what he found -- yes, there had. so he forced ferguson to enter into a consent decree. the new administration came in and stopped funding many of the programs the justice department had to help local law enforcement follow the rules that were set forth in that plan that you mentioned on 21st

century policing. the civil rights division has been gutted. and so when people think that the rule of law doesn't apply fairly to them, when they think there is no accountability, when they think that there is no justice and they see what's happening day in and day out and the only difference now is that we're capturing it on a cell phone and everybody is seeing what's going on, there is reason to be pained and angry and frustrated and exhausted. now, i agree with you, the solution cannot be violence. that can't beer and talk about have in common, without a leader who can truly empathize, and use all of the levers available to ensure to bridge -- you know, reverend, we've talked about

this, what happens in the police department is a microcosm of what's going on in society. the difference is they're sworn to serve and protect, they're given lethal weapons and too often aren't given the training they need to go out and establish the trust that they need in order to do their jobs and go home safely, too. so it's a travesty and we need to hold them accountable. >> one of the things that we saw when i was in minneapolis this week, i saw today when we went to staten island with the mother of eric gardner, is a lot of whites in the marches. >> yes, which is a good thing. >> it's a multi-racial kind of movement saying we've got to stop this. it may be blacks that are the targets but it's america that is suffering. we have to stand together. is that what former president obama is saying when he's saying we can't go back to normal, there has to be a new normal? >> we need a new normal and we need a big tent.

and black people can't do this alone. we need to have our white and our brown brothers and sisters right there with us fighting for us and our rights as we would fight for theirs. and the new normal just can't be going backwards. this is why i think make america great again just kind of gets in my craw, reverend sharpton, because when was america better for black people? during slavery? or fighting to vote? to make sure we have jobs? to try to alleviate when we have poverty? so i think president obama was saying as we emerge from the pandemic, it has laid bare the disparity in health and who doesn't have paid sick days, who doesn't have paid sick leave, who are the essential workers out there on the front line

without the protections? we have to build a fairer america that is more just and where there is accountability for all. that's what we should move toward and that's why the election in november is so important. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you, valerie jarrett. >> thank you, reverend. fight the good fight. >> all right. the police react to the killing over george floyd by threatening to shoot people on the streets. joining me now is otema o'mara and president of the omarra group and sherr michael, contributor. sherr michael, i know you're a republican but not at not unpree

president of the united states would put something on twitter that even twitter had to put a notice on there that this is in so many words provocative when he uses a slogan that was used in miami year ago, "when they loot then we shoot." i mean, nothing more blatantly provocative and i might add when you're dealing with the miami or the florida situation, it was race tinged. it's george wallace-like. how can anybody explain how this is helpful, let alone presidential. >> thank you, reverend. it's not presidential. i think the irony is you have so many trump supporters that say we love the constitution, we believe in small government and

yet you have the president of the united states essentially stating that he wants people to be shot. if people loot, there is a process that we go by to correct that ill, if you will, but to essentially have the president, the most powerful person in the country essentially elude to the fact that it acce's acceptable shoot people, how is that acceptable, rev? how have we reached a low point in society to have attained the highest office in the land with that mentality. it speaks volumes about a certain sector of our country. that's why you see so many people, rev, protesting, people who have been relegated for a long time, places in our society, people we have forgotten, people we promise justice will get better and we promise we'll correct these things, we promise it won't happen again. people now feel they have a moral obligation to demand

justice. i think we're at the precipice, i believe, rev, where people are finally saying no more, we're not going to take it anymore, we're not going to take it anymore, we're not going to allow people to treat us as if we're subhuman because we're allowed the same rights as anybody else. >> do you think there will be political implications? not on do we have a presidential in november but we have many senate seats up and the congress. what will be the political fallout, if any, in your opinion to all of what is going on now? >> well, i think the political implications will continue to be bad. certainly, one, this pandemic as was said earlier by valerie jarrett is exposing a lot of our racial disparities when it comes to health care, to our economy, when it comes to the workers on the front lines, trying to make sure groceries are delivered, you are know, people are taken care of in hospitals.

those are black and browned people, people of color. when it comes to what's happening in minneapolis right now and minnesota at large, you see quite a few conservatives. joe walsh, i had to double check three times to make sure he had tweeted out "black lives matter." >> yeah. >> white, many conservatives who are actually concerned about what is blatantly civil rights injustice here, which is a murder -- a murder that happened in nine minutes. and you know, conservatives should be concerned because they somebody in the white house that is, frankly, using white nationalist talking points. looting and shooting is going, a throwback to when segregationist leaders ran this country and used the government to oppress and murder black people as you pointed out earlier. >> i have to leave it there. thank you for your thoughts tonight. >> thanks, rev.

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as i was in minneapolis this

week and stood on the corner where george was killed and thought about george floyd's last words, i was there as president of national action network and had fought for years since the network's beginning and even before on cases like this. one thing that really stuck with me is when one of the people there told me that george in his anguish, in his final moments, was saying "i can't breathe." it reminded me, of course, of eric garner, and i stood on that corner as i did six years ago with that mother and that family. but something that really touched me was they said that george started calling for his mother. his mother was dead, but he called for her anyway. and i thought about the vulnerability that many black americans feel, including me. the vulnerability shown by his brother who broke down and wept on this show. he could not call on law

enforcement because they were standing around watching a knee on his throat. sometimes we can only call for mothers that are no longer there to be the protection, the wall between us and danger. why would a grown man call for a mother that was already deceased? maybe it's because he could not have the trust and faith of calling on those sworn to protect him and to stop him before he was killed on video. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next, my colleague chris jansing picks up our news coverage. these days, it's anything but business as usual. that's why working together is more important than ever. at&t is committed to keeping you connected. so you can keep your patients cared for. your customers served. your students inspired.

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hello, everyone, i'm chris jansing. continuing our breaking news coverage here on msnbc, there is so much happening right now. angereets across america with protests happening in literally dozens of cities across our country. fear that even more could happen as it gets dark despite the curfews that are in place. the entire minnesota national guard has been activated, and there are serious questions tonight about who is responsible for the worst parts of these protests. the attorney general blaming,