>> thank you. >> we're glad to see you back home and that you are safe and we look forward to many more conversations that are focused on exactly what needs to change in this country so we don't have to see these kinds of protests again. thank you so much for being with us, we do appreciate it. >> thank you. >> hello it's coming up on midnight on the east coast. 11:00 p.m. in minneapolis where another night of protests rage there and in dozens of other cities around america over the death of 46-year-old george floyd, a black man who was killed after a white police officer held his knee on george floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes. and for nearly three minutes after he had stopped breathing. multiple governors enacted the national guard and curve baan y including atlanta, louisville, atlanta and milwaukee.

some of those are ignored. state officials warn could see more violence and destruction than anything the city has seen so far. in washington, d.c., the scene is described as riot territory as people smash windows and burn at least one car more than 100 p them have been arrested during the protests, the mayor held a protest short time ago with a message saying it's time to go home. initially a peaceful protest turned vial with some demonstrating turning police cars an in chicago demonstrators swarming the trump tower. mayor lori lightfoot with this to say. >> i want to express my disappointment and really my total disgust at the number of

others who came to today's protest armed for all-out battle. you don't come to a peaceful protest with a bowling ball or a hammer or a shovel or a baseball bat. you don't come to a peaceful protest with bottles of urine to throw at police officers. i applaud the vast majority of individuals who came here to make true and lasting change peacefully. >> joining me now is msnbc's reporter who has been on the ground in minneapolis throughout this crisis and now it is midnight here, just after 11:00 central time. give us the lay of the land and what you've been seeing since we last spoke to you 15 or 20 minutes ago. >> well, things have changed quite dramatically downtown minneapolis. we're now downtown. we've come here at the

intersection of north 1st avenue and 5th street. north 5th street, if anybody knows downtown minneapolis. as you can see it actually is empty. there have been police vehicles going around the city with national guard generally speaking with the back up of national guard. they have moved areas where people have been convening. the crowd i was with of a few thousand appears to have dispersed and any little gatherings are broken up by police. they did that effectively earlier by firing tear gas and tracers and rubber bullets into the crowd, which also hits, earlier. but it has had the desired effect of enforcing curfew in minneapolis. we haven't seen the fires we've seen over the last few nights, those fires were not able to be

put out because the firefighters were unable to go in without the protection of the national guard. as you know there's many, many, many more national guard. all police leave has been cancelled, paid time off for police and firefighters in minneapolis is cancelled. so everybody's on the job. we saw ambulance escorted by national guard. we saw several fire trucks escorted by the national guard. there are still some fires and protest activity around the city but seems to have largely died down. this city has been dealing with protests tuesday, into tonight and tonight was peaceful with no looting or smashing going on and the police taking most aggressive role of all week, the governor and mayor of st. paul and minneapolis have said they

are bringing in reinforcements to keep the streets of minneapolis quiet tonight, and it looks, chris, like they have achieved that. >> all right, well, that is one good thing, a little peace on the streets. there will be a lot of questions asked tomorrow for sure. >> yeah. >> we again we're so glad you're okay and your crew is okay, and we're grateful for you being out there to report for us, thank you. we also want to go to new york city now. there's been a lot of activity there as well. we're waiting to get richard. do we have a picture? there what you are seeing is obviously a lot of heavy police presence there. do we have richard louis. >> can you hear me. >> yeah. yes i can hear you. thanks richard. what's going on? >> all right. first we have a person on the right-hand side here who is injured. i don't know, ronnie, if you could pull to the right on the ground here. it's been really quiet.

it got very small a number and then all of a sudden bottles were thrown and project isles were thrown and then the police again move towards the crowd and there are at least three or four individuals that fell to the ground. you can see one right there at the moment. so what was a very quiet -- like you came to us ten minutes ago you could hear a pin drop but as you know with these protests as they disperse them, 15 or 20 minutes later they come back. they come back. so we have one individual here who is injured that we just walked past and the police now are trying to get everybody away from the same intersection that we were in before when we were on air together when the crowd ran towards us. so we're in the very same location at the moment and it is another flash point and on an evening like this, a saturday night, where it's warm, and there is no curfew, as you know,

unlike some of the other cities that you've been following this evening. we've seen the crowds ebb and flow. like i said just 15 minutes ago, quiet. if you talk to us at sunset, quiet. but now here in brooklyn as we are on the outskirts of downtown, not too far away from barclay center, you can see roughly about 100 officers confronting a group that's not that large. a group, though, that has confronted the police. occasionally, bottle of water or some small projectile and then the police decide to pursue that individual. what's been pretty consist here for us is that groups are gathering, if they are on the streets, and if if they so desire they ask them to step out of the streets and then the groups are allowed to stay on the sidewalk. what has been consistent, this

is not unique to brooklyn certainly, is that the protesters are quite, some of them, not all of them, you understand the diversity of all of these groups in terms of different intensities that the ones in front clearly screaming out on tenity -- obscenities and challenges for confrontation. that certainly doesn't help the situation. but at this moment we have seen at least one injured, which you saw earlier on camera that we walked past. we are now, well, i guess we'll be at the front line, again, where the police are with what is now a he have small group, as you can tell, maybe about 50 or 60 protesters. so another quiet moment. potentially. maybe not. >> you mentioned, richard, some of the exchanges that have been going on -- can you hear me okay, richard? >> i can. >> let's see if you can hear any

of this. >> eff the police! >> just generally. sounds like just general yelling between -- some of the protesters and the police. >> we are recording everything. you are not giving clear orders. you are not giving a clear order. >> no police -- [ indiscernible chanting ] george floyd! >> really loud! >> george floyd. >> say it louder.

>> george floyd. >> louder! >> george floyd! >> louder! >> george floyd! >> come on, let's go. move, move. move. you got to step back. >> it seems -- it seems richard lui, for all the yelling that the police were not provoked and people are moving now. >> yes, that's right. up to this point what we seen, the confrontation all of a sudden went flash. and of course we're a little bit over midnight right now and the intensity is certainly accelerating. you can see here now the captain is leading in front trying to get all of the protesters to

take a step back, his officers behind him. but it looks like all of the protesters, a majority of them are now taking steps back and listening to law enforcement. we're following them to see what might happen but it certainly is a stark contrast to what you saw, what, nine minutes ago. and that was the change. like i said, if you took our camera just moments ago before the top of the hour, quiet. and everybody was dispersed. but after it dispersed everyone returned. so here we are in front of a very iconic, if you are a brookl brooklynite you know juniors, one of the favorite eateries just down the block. this happens to be the location, perhaps from today's history, that these brooklynites will remember. so a quiet moment for a second at least, chris. >> well, let's hope it stay that's way. you take good care you and your crew richard lui, we'll get back to you as the situation

warrants. thank you so much for that. as he pointed out there is no curfew in effect in new york city. that's not the case in los angeles where the national guard is deployed where looting and violence is worsening. i want to bring in a member of the los angeles city council representing the 5th council district. thank you so much for being with us. what are you hearing about the situation in your city tonight? >> well, most of the violence and vandalism has taken place in my district, in fact in my neighborhood, the fairfax area, we're all devastated about the senseless and vicious death of george floyd. but i think the message has been completely eclipsed by the violence and vandalism that we're seeing. just about every building is graffitied, many were broken

into, some set on fire, police cars and other vehicles have been set on fire, we're trying to get this under control. i've called for and we've gotten a curfew. i asked for it to be in this neighborhood but it's now citywide, which is great. i've asked and we have now requested support from the national guard and our neighboring sheriffs department and we're doing everything we can to protect our residents. >> do you have a sense, councilman at this time what specifically if there is something specific or who may have sparked this level of vial snens -- violence? >> it's not really clear. it's probably a combination of people's anger towards what happened and the fact that people are angry anyway because they've been couped up due to coronavirus. we really just began opening the

city and this weekend was supposed to be when our retail stores and our restaurants would be open for the first time this weekend. so i think there's a lot of anger in the air in general. and i don't know how many people were participating in this looking for violence. i think most of the people intended to protest peacefully and i know our police officers responded to that in that way. and have done a very good job of balancing the rights of peaceful protesters and at the same time making sure we protect against those that are intent upon committing crimes. so it's been difficult but we have mobilized our entire force. we have thousands of officers in the fairfax area. we're doing whatever we can to get a handle on this. fortunately there really hasn't been a lot of physical damage to people. there haven't been any deaths.

there haven't been a lot of protesters injured. i've seen several lapd officers that have been injured and taken away by ambulance, which is quite unfortunate. but nobody, i believe, has their lives threatened from what's happened today. i think that's part of the effectiveness of a better lapd then we had when we had the terrible things happen to rodney king, which set the city on fire and on edge 28 years ago. we want to make sure that doesn't happen to this city again. and we don't take decades to recover from it. >> you mentioned some of the activity that was going on. i'm just checking some of the reporting in the "l.a. times" counc councilman they report that nordstrom at the grove, a big shopping area there, were vandalized and looted. someone took a hammer to the

front of the "whole foods" and while some were cheering others were screaming," don't do that, please" so obviously you have some people inciting problems and others there peacefully that don't want to see what is do you feel confident now that you're in a situation in los angeles where you have, on the ground, what you need to control the situation? >> it's not completely clear, especially if it spreads to other areas. we're controlling it as well as we possibly can. we have a lot of iconic shopping areas within a short distance of each other, all in my neighborhood. we have the grove. we have the beverly center. the beverly connection. farmers market. cbs studios. canters deli. we have a lot of very notable sites and they're all in danger.

so we're trying to keep those all protected and keep our residents protected. we're trying to keep all of the small business storefronts protected. but that is a lot of activity. so while i think we're handling as well as we can, i wouldn't say we're out of the woods. i think it's important that we call the curfew and that we're enforcing it. but as this protest moves to other areas i think we need to be as well-prepared and even more active in making sure it doesn't spread the way it has today. >> and we're seeing a large fire burning in los angeles where it is 9:17 p.m. one of the many -- and there are obviously fire crews on the scene. i don't see in that area that there are any signs of protesters but we don't have a large, wide shot of that area. one of the things that mayor

garcetti said today councilman, when you watch the pictures of the protesters you're occasionally struck by the fact we're still in the middle of a pandemic. there are people wearing a mask but plenty of people who are not. and people who have masks but are pulling them down. and one of the things that the mayor said he was worried about was the obvious lack of social distancing. this is a city who like much of california and much of the country has worked hard to come back and be able to reopen in the middle of a pandemic. how worried are you about what we might see two weeks after these protests with potentially a spike in cases? >> well, i'm very worried and i'm already frustrated. i lent the effort to require masks any time people leave the home. and it took a while longer perhaps than it should have, but we did put out that order. i have seen a lot of non-compliance with that. i hear it's because as we decide

to open up that people don't realize that putting on masks and social distancing actually will make that more possible and make spread less likely and rather looking at it and saying, well, everything's okay, if we can open retail and open restaurants, i guess we don't need to can this any more. -- need to do this any more. but i'm fearful, large gatherings with everyone in one place mostly not wearing masks could encourage the spread. not all of our officers have masks either. it's not a recipe for good health. >> well, councilman it is a beautiful city and incredibly beautiful neighborhood you live in in fairfax. we wish you the best and we'll keep our eye on what's developing in los angeles. we thank you very much,

councilman for being with us tonight. we want to go now to atlanta where blaine alexander is standing by where there was a state of emergency that was spa expanded today. what's going on in the streets atlanta. >> state of emergency. the governor is authorizing as many as 1500 national guard troops to come out and help to keep the peace, because of a bunch of chaos we saw last night but it's very different tonight from what we saw last night. if you look here, this say big reason why. these barriers were put in place. this area behind me you see the plywood and broken out windows, is this is one of the first places to get hit here in downtown atlanta, by the iconic cnn center there. we see big difference. one resources. we know there's more national

guard officials. you can look over here and kind of see some of the vehicles, see some of the atlanta police officers who are still going through and working to clear the streets. the other thing is that stricter rules were put into place tonight, chris. we have a 9:00 p.m. curfew in effect for atlanta and we know really about ten minutes or so before 9:00 we saw those armored vehicles. we saw them actually announcing, saying, hey, you got ten minutes, you're going to be arrested if you don't disperse. it was after that we saw tear gas go into the crowd and then saw a clash between protesters and police. it was so much more contained than this time last night. i do need to say right now there's one atlanta police officer who is in the hospital being treated because of a very, almost like a skirmish that we saw earlier today. police have largely cleared the streets but there was a rider on an atv who ran into an officer

at a high-rate of speed and that officer sustained significant injuries. he's in stable condition tonight here, chris. >> blaine alexander in atlanta for us. we're also showing that picture of that fire that's raging in los angeles. and we've seen in cities across america those flashing lights of police vehicles, of fire vehicles, as some fiery clashes between police and protesters spread across the country intensifying the stand off over the death of george floyd. we have our correspondents throughout the country. we'll continue to follow th breaking news throughout the evening. s throughout the evening. . and when it comes to safety, who has more 2020 iihs top safety pick+ winning vehicles? more than toyota, honda, and hyundai-combined? subaru.

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welcome back, all across america tonight we are seeing protesters on the streets, people who are out often past curfew, often in confrontations

with police, but who are standing their ground to send a message. one of them, an organizer for black lives matter and host of the pod "save the people" thanks so much for being with us. i was just looking at your twitter feed. you had a picture from brooklyn simply titled "barclays is electric" tell me what your experience was out on the streets of new york tonight. >> you know, there were a lot of people out. there's a lot of frustration about how the police have inter acted in communities both here and across the country. but i'll tell you, it was nothing like what i'm seeing in cities all across the country, i think about l.a., d.c., chicago, atlanta. you know. i am troubled to think about these curfews being put in place with like an hour's notice. how do you lockdown a city like l.a. in an hour's notice. how do you move a city like chicago when people don't have enough time to travel.

i must say it feels like a set up, trying to get people to do things that we know are going to get them in trouble. so i'm worried about that and i'm still in conversations with activists in those cities to unplan how we do that. >> feels like a set up by who? i mean, one of the things we heard from a lot of officials in minneapolis and from our experts here, we heard it any a different form from some officials at the white house, but all of them saying that most people want to be peaceful. most people are sending a very directed message but that there are a small number of people who represent extremist groups who very specifically want to cause trouble. is that who you are saying want to set you up? or what do you mean, specifically? >> no, i mean, this is actually poor leadership by the city officials. there's no way you could have a city as big as l.a. and with an hour's notice tell people there's a curfew.

you just can't do that. there's no way you can have a city the size of chicago and suddenly say that people have a few hours to go home in the whole city. that's not -- that's not good leadership. and remember in all these cities the police -- [ inaudible ] depending on what database you look at, it's a lot of people with pain in the street. so i don't know what to think. >> so i think we've lost communication there. so let's see if we can have our technical people work on that and get it back. we want to continue our conversation with black lives matter. let me go to mark i want you to respond as a former nypd detective to what you're hearing, criticism saying

most of these protests were peaceful, and now all these rules are put in place, people seeing police out in larger numbers than previously and he feels like it's a set up for things to go wrong. do you understand that argument? >> i understand the sentiment behind the argument, i don't necessarily agree with every -- every point of that argument. i think, if we're looking at tonight, it seems at the various locations that there has been less disturbance and less violence but the question is whether or not that's attributable to the police actions or is it based on just the protesters deciding to take another route course of action. listen, i don't think there's any question at this point that there is something infiltratation into legitimate organizations by extremist group who's are just committed to

chaos and anarchy. we an an an ark ic ist -- anach in -- we can't be heavy handed. we just can't afford to do that. also what we have to do, just as we talk about the infiltrate ratio of extremist groups, and antagonist in the protest community, maybe perhaps we alternaout to also give balance some of the same infiltratation that has occurred in law enforcement, white supremacist groups, et cetera. >> so do you recall --

>> so, we heard the idea we want to be cognizant and respectful yet we're seeing some destruction tonight, we're seeing some confrontation with police tonight. what would be your message to your fellow protesters and fellow members of black lives matter. i should say i did a quick search of black lives matter your group is being represented all across america. in oahu there's a group of black lives matter to speak of the issues you've been speaking about for a long time but brought to the fore by this latest dental. what would you -- latest death. what would you say to the protesters to not have the message diluted. >> people are in the streets because of the violence of police and if we want people to go home, to feel safe in their

neighborhoods, those things are not happening. 2019 is the first year black people were more afraid to be killed by police officers, by community violence. why i say it is a set up, what we keep seeing is poor planning by city officials. can't tell me it makes sense to lockdown a city like l.a. with one-hour's notice. that's poor planning. doesn't make sense to send militarized police into a place where there's peaceful protesting and when they start tear gassing people you blame the protesters that's what we're seeing across the country. don't want to see mayors talk about what people need to do when they're not providing the leadership or modeling for people in those communities. so i'm tired of hearing people talk about what the protesters are doing. we're not talking about what the police are doing and the failed leadership in so many city that's we saw tonight with these impromptu curfews. you can't convince me that that makes sense.

>> well, we certainly did hear for example from our reporter on the ground four days in minneapolis that everything there was peaceful. there was no indication knox warning. that police just moved in. they started to disperse tear gas. he made it very clear that people were trying to be cooperative. but you can't be cooperative if you're not given any warning or instruction. one of the things we heard, and i don't want to be too specific about this because it was very noisy. but what it sounded to me like in new york city today when police were trying to move people back there was a protester who was saying, we need to know what you want us to do. so there's obviously a chaotic situation in some cases a lack of ability to try to keep this from escalating, but they seem to manage to do that largely in some cities and not in other cities. moving forward,

what do you think the role of the protesters will be after tonight? >> yeah, i think that what you'll see is you will see people continue to make demands of the police. you think about things like chokeholds. only 28 cities out of the 100 largest cities in america ban chokeholds. that's wild, right. in minneapolis where we saw the last killing of george floyd, in minneapolis chokeholds are not banned. in minneapolis 50% or half of the police officers who are fired get rehired. i think you will see protesters continue to demand structural change because we know the only way we can prevent these thing from happening in the future is if something changes at the root level. i think that's what you will see from protesters. >> so, i guess the question really becomes, it's the key question we've asked over and over and over again whenever we have seen a killing by police officers of a black man, is how

do you effectuate that change? there's an outcry, there's a protest, we hear things, i don't mean this in a despairaging way, but in a factual way, that we have to get these changes made. i don't think anyone with a human bone can look at the videos of what happened to george floyd, that knee on his neck, eight minutes plus, almost three minutes after he stopped breathing and not say something is profoundly wrong here. but what tangible steps need to be taken to effectuate that change? >> yeah, so that's the thing, we know what needs to happen. we don't have the political leadership that's couragious enough to do it. you think about banning choke holds and strangleholds. you've seen people choked to death. you've seen people strangled to death. you've seen it, right.

and still only 28 out of 100 large cities actually ban it. that is failed leadership. think of restricting shooting moving vehicles. that's another one that matters. having a duty to intervene when officers see their partners doing things that are wrong. requiring deescalation. requiring officers report every single time they point their gun or threaten to point their gun at somebody. there are eight things that we track around use of force and when all eight of these restrictions are in place there's 70% reduction in police killing across the country. we know what the answers are. we don't have the courage from political li leaders. >> we have to go. but i do want to ask you one last question. you are not new to this. this is not the first killing of a black man that you have seen. does this feel different to you? do you feel like there is an opening for lack of a better term for change?

do you feel like the message is getting across more clearly than it may have in the past? or are you waiting just to see? are you waiting to actually, for the trial, what happens, will those other three officers actually end up being charged? will there be changes in laws? in training? what are you looking for that will tell you that this might be different? >> yes, so, when i think about what is different about this moment is that remember the police have actually killed more people since the protest in 2014, not less. people think because they didn't hear it on the news as much it got better but police actually kill more people. there's slight decrease in cities but offset by increase in rural and suburban communities. i'm hopeful there will be some sort of accountability with this specific case but again if the policy and rules don't change in cities then the outcomes will

not change. so that will require mayors and police chiefs and governors to step up. and it is almost all of the cities in the country have serious problems with their rules and policies. i gotten calls from people in congress today. i've gotten call from a whole host of people who are looking for solutions and it does look like we finally might have the courage. >> wait a minute, i just -- that is the first thing i've heard that is really tangible here tonight. you've actually gotten calls from members of congress who are asking you what exactly and what have they -- if anything -- promising to do? >> so i think people are definitely promising to look into things. there's a bill we're trying to get killed. hr 1154 a bill at the federal level would expand the right for police unions to unionize all across the country. it is a bad bill. we're trying to work hard to get every co-sponsor of it to not be a co-sponsor of it.

then there's hosting things that d.o.j. can condition funding and congress can push that. we are trying to push the biden campaign to release a platform around police violence. people are interested in solutions. the question will be are they couragious enough to implement them. . that is what we will see. people aren't going to leave the street any time soon so i hope we have political leaders ready to meet the moment head on. >> daray mccommittekessen on th night into early morning we thank you for your time and sharing your thoughts and experience. we hope to see you sometime soon with a report what's actually happening. deray mckess orkckesso, thank y.

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among the cities seeing protests tonights the largest city in the country, new york city, we've been focussing largely on manhattan and brooklyn although there's

protests in all borough as cross new york, often groups splintering off, making it difficult for police to follow them. we've been following nbc's richard lui who has been in brooklyn where large crowds were gathering around barclays center. he's moved about ten minutes away. what's happened last since we seen you. >> great characterization there, we have had splinter groups leave and join the main group. where we are at now is a group that's probably quarter of a size than it was before. what we're seeing from some individuals in this group is police were coming from over here and the police, we were standing next to them were suggesting that we move away from them because some in the crowd were actually throwing things at them and that we could

actually get hurt. there's been bottles thrown as well as rocks and as we said earlier bottles of water. so this group is the latest to deal with the surge of energy. >> richard, we're going to let you move away from this crowd. yeah, we'll let you move away from this crowd. there's actually news we'll get back to you. but i want to make sure you and your crew are in a very safe situation. let me go to the phone now where cory johnson is waiting to talk to us, the speaker of the new york city councilma. we thank you so much for joining us. how would you assess the situation in your city tonight? >> it's a very tough night in new york city tonight. and i think what you're seeing is really a manifestation of a tremendous amount of pain. and we know this pain was not manifested overnight. you saw the murder in broad daylight of george floyd in

minneapolis a few days ago, you seen the vast majority of people who have died from covid-19 across this country, being black and brown americans and new yorkers, you had a woman in central park less than a week ago trying to call the cops on a peaceful african-american who was bird watching, trying to weaponize his race against him. there's structural racism in america, in new york city, and you're seeing this anger and pain come out tonight. now no one is condoning violence in new york city. and the vast majority of people have been peaceful. but i think it's really important to acknowledge here that in the midst of all of this pain it is really important to deescalate and when you have a situation, last night at the barclay center where the vast majority of protesters were peaceful but the nypd were assembled there like it was going to be the invasion of norm

andy. it does not set up an atmospher. it does not set up an atmosphere where people feel like it is safe. i think what you're seeing across america and in new york city you're seeing a manifestation of this. let's remember, six years ago, coming up in july, eric garner was killed on staten island saying "i can't breathe" many times, george floyd, it happened a few days ago. this did not happen overnight. black men in this country and in our city have been victimized for far too long and you're seeing the pain and anguish and anger play out across america and in new york city. we want people to keep it peaceful. i think the vast majority of people are. but also the nypd needs to do a better job deescalating. there was a video of them mowing through a crowd of protesters in

brooklyn. a video of pepper spraying a man in the face with a mask on with his arms up. this is not the way to actually calm the situation down here in new york city. >> all right, speaker of the new york city council, thank you, and we wish you all the best of luck in our beautiful city here which unfortunately tonight is seeing some confrontations between police and protesters. let me bring in barbara mcquaid former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal contributor. what's gotten lost in the minute-by-minute reporting of the confrontation is what this is all about, which is a man named george floyd who was taken into custody. he was put on the ground. he had a knee put on his neck for nearly nine minutes. that knee stayed on his neck for nearly three minutes after he had no pulse, and we saw other police officers standing around while this happened.

no one trying to stop the officer who is now in custody and who is facing third degree murder charges. nobody trying to stop it, even as bystanders were cheliyelling "you're killing him" as someone who seen this before i just wonder what is justice look like he here? because that's what being called for in cities across america. what does justice look like for george floyd and for america, frankly. >> well, i think in the first instance, george floyd himself, i think in this case seeing justice means the conviction of the officer who killed him and the other three officers who were there. some of the things that one would look at is whether the person was causing a threat of death to the officers or bystanders and whether he was attempting to run away and the seriousness of his crime. all of those factors go against

using deadly force under these circumstances. those officers, the other three, had an affirmative duty to stop his death from occurring. we know from that complaint that even after he stopped moving. breathing, speaking for almost three minutes he continued to place his knee on his neck. so i think we're likely to see superseding arrests in the coming day to include those other officers. i think one of the reasons tempers are flaring and there's so much unrest in the country is this is not an isolate the incident it's the straw that broke the camel's back, we've seen too many instances in america. there's a number of reforms we need, changes to the law to make it difficult for police officers who commit these crimes and a change in the culture of police departments to make sure they serve as peace officer and not officers of violence.

>> barbara mcquaid always good to see you. we t. for that. we want to bring in christina greer, an associate professor at fordham university and politics effort at the greo. let me ask you we've been watching for hours this frustration and anger. i think some level of shock that the first-degree murder charges weren't brought, certainly from a lot of the protesters we've spoke to, that three other officers still have not been charged. when you look at what's unfolding all around america tonight what do you see? >> well, i think it's shock for some but not for all. sadly, this is just a manifestation of the anguish and pain that so many americans have to experience on a daily basis. as your previous guests have said, you know, we can't even be in our homes or go bird-watching

without having to deal with white supremacy coming from the highest levels of government. so i'm so tired of hearing about riots which we know are uprising, these are rebellions. for a lot of people it is a manifestation of the pain they've felt for many years, wit net -- witnessing people who look like them and loved ones get murdered by the state pretty much with very little repercussion. so i want to focus less on what is happening as far as some of the people who are in the streets, and really remind us to keep thinking about why it is that so many thousands, hundreds and thousands of americans have needed to take to the streets in the middle of a pandemic to risk life and limb with police departments across the country who are armed to the teeth as though they are in fill not on

flat brisk avenue. it had he risk their lives to keep the names of george floyd and tampair rice and mark brown. this is about the day in and day out assault, literal and physical that so many black americans and latin americans feel on a symptomatic -- systemic institutionalized basis.stemic -- systemic institutionalized basis. >> rightfully, as you pointed out, this is something that's been building, we've seen from the past that things have not changed. what is it now, this particular case or particular build up that has brought us to the point where people really do seem to be saying no more. >> well, when you look at the president and how he chooses to

use his role as the executive of the united states, we see how he has failed the american people across the nation when it comes to dealing with covid-19 and the disproportionate deaths we're seeing, we're well over 100,000, and people are just going about their business. we had 40 million americans file for unemployment. that's just people who filed for unemployment. not people who were destitute and really worried about not just themselves but theiren the ire communities. when we think about the french revolution, the rich stole so much from the poor the only thing the poor had left to eat are the rich. soon america will have to realize this growing inequality and inequity that we continue to sew generation after generation, chickens are going to come home to roost. i think in this particular moment there's so much pain. we have to keep remembering, we're in the middle of a pandemic and the stress and strain of all of this sickness

and the death that is happening in communities across the nation is on top of police state sanctioned violence. when we look at how people who were sworn to serve and protect us view us as not human, sub-human, animals in some instances, egged on by the highest levels of government, and this is a boiling point. >> christina greer, thank you so much for your always your thoughtfulness and knowledge. thank you for joining us tonight. we do appreciate it. and that's going to do it for this hour. we have much more coverage of the ongoing situation all across the country. msnbc's coverage will continue right after this. will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident. cut! is that good? no you were talking about allstate and... i just... when i... accident forgiveness from allstate.

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good evening, i'm chris jansing, tonight a nation on edge. death of george floyd continues to spark another night of protests in dozens of cities. mayors from coast to coast enacting curfews to try to keep demonstrators off the streets. in many cases ignoring the curfews. center of it all, minneapolis. officials say they're overwhelmed responding to hundreds of calls about