lower manhattan. we saw a curfew in philadelphia. in los angeles. there were, there was tension downtown. 10,000 protesters there. mayor garcetti called in the national guard, closed off the city. washington, d.c. saw protests both at the white house and over to trump tower. seattle, you see what's happening there. and chicago also had protests. minneapolis had a very peaceful gathering, actually,s that wa interrupted quite suddenly by police with support of the national guard. tensions running high still in this city. while one officer has been arrested in connection with the death of george floyd on monday night, three others remain uncharged, and people in the city continue to be worried about the effect of policing on african-americans. i want to bring in two guests to discuss the week we have seen. in fact, the last couple of weeks. my good friend is joining me, ed

eddie glaude from princeton university and an msnbc contributor. tom perez joining us as well. tom, you know, is chairman of the democratic national committee, but a former assistant attorney general of civil rights and labor secretary of the united states, but i got him here largely because of this question of civil rights thatyo. it's been a remarkable several weeks in america. right? these things most of us realize that as far as we think we are, just talking about the space, the rocket launch yesterday, as far as we move, for some african-americans in this country, whether it comes to socioeconomics, family wealth, meedsi i median income our police violence, things don't look like they've changed at the same rate as they've changed for the ref of america? >> that's absolutely right, ali. i'm just glad your safe. i watch your amazing reporting

last night and glad to see you're okay. back to the commissioner report of 1968. names line. america is moving towards two nations's one white, one black, separate and unequal. think about what sparked the commissioner report. a series of urban unrest, urban rebellions, right? enter issed around not only the assassination of dr. king but also around police brutality. here we are in 2020 still experiencing community poverty, forms of policing that are in sync aligned withincarsiral state. this has set the stage along with the pandemic for extraordinary unrest across the entire country, ali. drnlg drnlg >> also bring in christina greer

author of "black ethnics: race immigration and pursuit of the american dream" co-host of a podcast. and good to see you again. i guess part of the issue is, if you look at this as i do. i look at a lot of things through economics. if you look at these charts and you see median income go up in america and see all of these measures of people's progress and support, you see two americans, eddie points out, but growth on every measure different for african-americans. it starts with historical problems that we have not fixed in america. there are a lot of people who feel we need a reset. to somehow deal with the historical inequalitying african-american face to have a leg to stand on and a fair chance as a prosperous future. >> indeed, but far too many americans don't want to understand or respect the history of this nation. with the history of this nation, on four legs which --

is white supremacy, anti-black racism, patriarchy and capitalism. we have to understand that the inequity we're seeing today that long-standing institutional structures that go all the way through education, housing and when people, black people especially explicitly just trying to survive and make a daily living. >> eddie, the question is, who fixes what? i had a conversation with the attorney general of minnesota. a lot of the protester whom i encountered were here in front of the police station because this was a policing matter. a policing matter is a state and a civil, a city, a municipality matter, yet these problems we're talking about, some are federal, some are human rights issues. some are deep-seeded economic issues. anything happened in the last three weeks is brought into sharp sight something is very broken here.

who and how does it get fixed? >> obviously, policymakers play a central role at the local, state and federal left. a fundamental investment in transforming our society. you know and have talked about it over and over again ali about deep wealth ininequality and tracks along racial lines. re ha we have to be very, very clear. this is from generations of policy. a book called "why americans hate welfare." the idea the great society would top to address in a problematic way these deep inequalities ran into a stone wall precisely because some believe government is rescripted resources to undeserving black and brown people. we have this kind of cultural ethos that blocks a way to policy shifts. we have to have local, state,

federal government address this issue at the level of policy across the board, beginning with the criminal justice system and dismantling the diskwacarsirol state and fix it. >> we see this, supreme course cases, things like that. a lot of african-americans who live normal lives in normal cities like this say, that the stuff that happens to them is a slow burn. the stuff that happens to them doesn't get to the supreme court necessarily. it is policy that has to change, but it doesn't have the urgency until weeks like this to make the whole country and the whole world look at it and say, wow, things are really bad for blacks in america? >> right. well, we have to understand it has to be protests, politics and electoral politics.

both, and. cannot just be getting to the streets. have to turn action and passion and anger and hurt into actual electoral change. as my league eddie just said, you have to recognize the institution of america is set up such we don't have swift change. not what the framers intended. yes, it's frustrating for many young people to see things not change overnight. however, we know that brown people board of education, 1954. voting rights act and immigration rights weren't passed until '65, civil rights, 1964. these things take time. however, we must remember that we don't want swift change for no reason. we have to have, pull this cancer up from the root. which is, so embedded in our society. this idea of white supremacy, and we can't just lop it off at the top of the bush. so this is what we're seeing right now. especially brown people and i'm so proud of them really trying to get at the core of what this

nation is. as a part of the issue, that so many white americans, the reason we haven't had a day of reckoning, is because we haven't had a day of acknowledgement what this country has always been. it has had a beautiful american dream for many, but definitely not for all, especially black americans. >> tom perez, you have worked in federal policy levels in two intersecting places's when martin luther king was killed actually moved to a message of financial and economic inequality as well as racial and political and social inequality. you've worked both in civil rights and in the government as a labor secretary. there are a lot of people who believe the inequality of opportunity is inextricably tied to civil rights. getting the vote and using the votes, suppressing the vote is one part of the political pie. the other part is african-americans have not been able to enjoy the same economic inequality because they're starting from a lower base in a place like minneapolis, for

instance. even home ownership doesn't do nor african-americans what it does for everybody else in the country, that is race their base of family wealth. >> well, the march on washington over 50 years ago was a march for jobs and a march for justice. it was all about the intersection of civil rights and economic rights, and so you're absolutely right, ali, and what we see in the last two days is another reminder. civil rights is the unfinished business of america. you asked the question of, eddie and christine, whose responsibility is this? it's everybody's responsibility. ali, fanny lieu haymer once said in connection with mississippi, what's mississippi's problem is not mississippi's problems, it's america's problem. what we saw there in minnesota, whether it's minneapolis or whether it's mississippi or anywhere, these it are america's problems and we have to come

together and understand that civil rights remains the unfinished business of america. we need to make sure that we all own this problem, and i've had the privilege, as you know, ali. i spent over a decade of my career prosecuting police misconduct cases. i was in the seconds that pross cuted the rodney king case. i was there that day in the office. i'll never forget april 29, 1992 when america burned. and i see this weekend, and i'm havinghave so far to go. and the most important currency that a police officer has, and i have learned this from experience, prosecuting cases. overseeing cases. the most important currency that a police officer has is the trust of the community. that trust has been undermined. once again, by an act of gross misconduct. criminal act. not just by one officer, but by -- that is why we not only need to

hold these officers accountable, but we need to address broader systemic issues. we need to address the culture of the police department in minneapolis and you know what? here's what i'm here to say. we have tools to do that. we did that in the obama-biden administration. jill biden, ali, actually brought to us in the mid-90s an important tool called pattern and practice authority. it's a tool that came into play after rodney king. a tool that enables police departments, and the justice department to work with police departments on systemic reform. that's what's needed. i used it -- cases something like 50 police departments in the first few years of my running the civil rights commissions. unfortunately, this administration -- they -- barely used it at all. they have this "must condemn

mentality." it's not us against them. we can have effective constitutional policing but unfortunately had a president that fanned the flames. hiss crisis-mismanagement is making matters worse, and mr. president, you are making the job of police officers harder when you have tweets like, no looting, more shooting, or things like that. that does not help. we need crisis management that understands we must be uniter in chief not divider in chief. we can do this, ali. it isn't easy, but i've seen it done, and we have to start by understanding that this is everybody's problem. this is not simply black america's problem. this is america's problem. >> well i will say here in minneapolis at the protests i've been at in the last few days these protests have not been just an african-american protest. this has been a very mixed crowd of people who think exactly as

you do, tom. that violence against african-americans, socioeconomic injustice against african-americans is all of our problem. thanks for the work you've done and for joining us. former, the current, by the way, chairman of the democratic national committee former assistant rights and eddie glaude, professor and chairman center for african-american studies as princeton and christina greer political science at fordham and author of "black ethnics." we're going to continue our coverage of the protests across america, and the situation here in minneapolis. i'm ali velshi. you're watching "velshi" and we'll be right back. you're in this alone. we're automatically refunding our customers we're also offering flexible payment options for those who've been financially affected by the crisis. we look forward to returning to something that feels a little closer to life as we knew it,

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welcome back. this is "velshi." i'm ali velshi in minneapolis. this is the auto zone across the street from the police station, burned thursday night. first round of the fires. you can see, push in here, still smoke here. smoldering forever. these protests at night preventing firefighters from getting in here and so much of this area is just destroyed. the police station. two obvious city blocks, maybe three around here of buildings in this direction, and on thursday night i saw fires in

four or five directions from here. a lot of rebuilding to do, but this is just symbolic. this is the symbolic rebuilding that needs to be done. the big rebuilding that needs to be done in america is trust. or maybe it's building of trust between african-americans and their police and their governments. i want to bring in mayor stephen reid of montgomery, alabama. mayor, you and i were going to talk about other things. that was on the schedule, but this is the thing now we have to talk be, at tensions across the country. one of the most amazing things of the last few nights not what's going on in minneapolis bit in other countries. a visceral thing for americans, african-americans and any american whose believe in justice, believe they want policing to be fair. you experienced some protests in montgomery, alabama. what do you make of the last few days? >> i think the last few days have been a circumstance that's been building. i think for leaders like myself,

it's something we try to make sure we are in touch with the community, that we are engaged. i understand the anger. i understand the frustration, and i understand the reason and the call for change. that's what many of the protesters want, and they want to see that right now, and i certainly understand that being right here in montgomery, alabama. >> i was going to say. here in min am -- minneapolis, and industrial cities, a real sense of african-american history, black history, from the great migration and the jobs people came to, but really are you in the center of the struggle for african-american history and the changes that have occurred, and one of the things we are learning and more americans are learning about the degree to which while so much has changed, to many african-americans who know their own history, so much has not. how do you feel we need to move forward from this? because this is now much bigger than the issue of the police

officer whose were there when george floyd died, or the police who didn't do anything in georgia when ahmaud arbery was shot or the situation in louisville? this is an issue that has, we are all reminded of as a major, major crisis in this country. what do you think we need to do? >> well, i think we have to take action. i think we have to be deliberate and disciplined in everything that we're doing, and we must make sure that the complaints and some of the challenges that we are presented with don't just fall on deaf ears. as policymakers and leaders, the communities are looking to us to make bold decisions and to make decisions with courage and quite often we don't do that. we look for political ex-ped yar -- expedience and a way to kick the can downed rote. we have to make sure people are

heard and their challenges are being met and we have to do a better job not just in minneapolis, not just at the local level. at the state and federal level as well. this cannot be an issue that divides us but united states as as americans and it's important all of america regardless where they live or regardless of their community or zip code feel they have the same opportunity to live. that they have the same opportunity to earn a livable wage and to participate in the american dream and what we are seeing are the cries and the screams of people who don't feel they have that opportunity regardless of where they live, because too often when we think about race and class, we look at it as a binary topic and it is not. we have to look at this as something that is multifaceted and multilayered, and we have to approach it as such and be deliberate about it just as we are other things that take priority for us in our relative

communities. but this is not just minneapolis's issue. not just an urban issue. it is an american issue. >> the other american issue right now that is quite pressing is coronavirus, and as you can see i have my mask on but have to tell you, the protests are not the best place for social distancing. a lot of people not having masks. ish u of tear gas in cities that caused people to take off their mask including me at various points and put on a different kind of mask. you actually sent out a tweet telling people that you respect their right to peacefully protest but could they, please, be careful about coronavirus. 17,649 cases in alabama. 620 deaths and a tripling of cases in may compared to prior months. tell me what your concerns are about the spread of this virus right now? >> certainly our concerns are that the trends we've been seeing in the month of may are

manageable but not sustainable. we've been in close contact with our hospital administrators about what they are seeing in terms of their overall icu capacity, which is averaged over the last few weeks probably less than 4 h%. areas like that, stress on the system and health care workers and medical professionals who are keeping us safe and those other people who may suffer illnesses that are not covid-related. we really want to try to be proactive and measured and disciplined in our approach to how we continue to reopen our economy, and not try to accelerate the progress or the process of this matter so that we take steps back in the progress that we've made prior to the month of may. >> mayor, thank you for joining me this morning. mayor stephen reed of montgomery, alabama joining me. thank you for that. back to london now where we've seen protests under way.

molly hunter is there for us. mol molly, what's the latest on the protests? >> reporter: we've walked to trifallinger square and it looks like they're walking to the u.s. embassy. bring in one of the protesters. walking with her son and husband. why are you out here and why is it important to be out here? >> because we can't stand still anymore. can't pretend it's not happening, guys. make all the excuses in the world, say he was a bad person, bring up his record. it can't be okay when a policeman, somebody that's taking taxes, your taxes, to just, to just kneel on somebody's neck and kill them. straight in broad daylight. there's everything illegal about it. how can anyone continue to make excuses? i have to be here because you know what? my brothers and sisters are in america fighting the fight, and we've got to so them that is not just an american problem. this is just too long.

we've gn going too long! yes. to say i have to sdplhave to ex 13-year-old daughter what's going on here. when i was 13, i'm 53 now, when i was 13 somebody was explaining what was going on with racism and 40 years later, nothing changed. still the same. it's got to stop. white people, i'll calling you out! jay-z, where are you? come out. >> reporter: what's it like watching from london? >> it matters. it referring nasinates. wee s we see it. wee understand. i can't understand pretend it's not happening, white people, pretend it's not happening.

make a tweet here and there and think you're doing your bit. no. you need to get up off your seats, stand up from front of others and say it's wrong. look at london here. we built this from slavery. haven't we done enough? paid enough? yeah? trafalgar square, we built that shit. we've done nuenough. for goadd's sake, give us a bre. just let us live. >> reporter: ali, the entire center of government, going throughout the area, the crowd is just chanting. and about 1,000 people are here. why are you here? >> i'm here to highlight what's going on, but as for america i need to show all of you. go to trump's tweet about how he wants justice for george, it's a lie. he's trying to manipulate the voters. >> reporter: why are you out

here? >> put a gun next to him to make themselves look innocent and tried to justify it to years later. huh? oh, no. it's a conversation. have they given money? i don't believe so. because the only one in the care home. what? has he got conversation for the 12 years? found unsafe so he wouldn't have to pay it. >> reporter: we'll keep you posted, ali. we'll come back to you soon as we get to the embassy. >> molly hunter in london following a very large protest there weaving its way through the streets of central london. i want to invite mark claxton in. mark is a director of public relations with the black law enforcement alliance and more importantly a former, retired nypd detective. you've seen his face for nights and nights and nights on our air. mark, you've been here to analyze a lot of what going on

in the last few nights, but i want to go back a few days to probably one of the best parts of a tragic situation that occurred here in minneapolis and that is that law enforcement officials around the country, white and black, condemned the actions of the four police officers involved in the death of george floyd, and in particular, there were, there are increasingly louder voices for the large percentage of law enmercement leaders in this country who are african-american. there does steam have been a total shift. normally i mean, this city, it's kind of nonsensical to the degree the police stick together in the face of evidence, but that has been a normal police trait we've seen actually break in the face of injustice this week. >> absolutely. this killing -- individuals

respectfully leaders affects -- the nation -- recognizing that there is -- for many -- now -- build a larger movement that calls for national standards, national degree of professionalism. in departments across the nation. if those -- those retired national law enforcement -- really believe what happened -- that cannot -- now revolutionary -- systemic reform. >> mark, you know a lot about evidence. you know a lot about

investigation. you know a lot about policing. i don't know anything about those three things, but one thing you've said is something america saw, and that is the three other police officers not derek chauvin, who were there, when this was going on, in the face of video, in the face of people saying, he can't breathe, and in the face of, i think your words, george floyd narrating his own death. the people who did not -- those police officer whose did not intervene were not only in the opinion of many not doing their jobs but they were cowards. >> right. they were cowards. they didn't step up and -- not everyone should be a police officer, and the level of cowardness that they showed, clearly -- of that person, but what this is -- the family, the -- the police -- policing

tact tactics, acknowledging -- you have to get better qualified -- efficacy to recognize -- recognize relations. listen, it makes it sound -- a much needed -- recognize that you have a role and -- at least know where the heart and objective is -- right now many different agencies across the nation, we need to standardize and raise the level of law enforcement and increase our level of humanity and understanding towards our community.

>> mark, thank you for joining us today and thank you for joining us every day as you have. mark crackstolaxton, a former n detective. retired nypd detective. we're going to take a quick break and when we come back have a conversation about the fact that today is the 99th anniversary of the tulsa riot. some may know a lot about the tulsa riots because they've been inspiration for a very, a very influential tv show that's on right now. we'll talk about what really happened there when we come back. this is "velshi," i'm ali velshi here in minneapolis. if you have a garden you know, weeds are low down little scoundrels. draw the line with roundup. the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root.

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[ sirens ] all right. a scene from "the watchmen" on hbo. populartive show that had its run based actually, or inspired by the tulsa riots occurred 9 years ago, considered one of the most heinous things to happen to african-americans in this country. cost 300 african-americans their lives. 10,000 were left homeless, and something's changing. city of tulsa, going to start teaching this to students in schools and going to undertake an investigation and excavation of something that may be a mass grave to find out a little more about who the people are, who have been lost and maybe give them the burial they need. joined right now by mayor bynum

of tulsa, oklahoma. mayor, we scheduled this conversation long before this happened in minneapolis, but it certainly brings up old wounds for african-americans who feel mistreatment at the hands of white american has not been great. tell me, in the current con next we have how important this project is to mark the 99th anniversary of the tulsa riots? >> well, i think what we're doing in tulsa on this front relative to the 1921 tulsa race massacre is very relevant to what you see happening all around the country right now. and that's because for 80 years after this event occurred, there was a systematic cover-up of the event. it was not taught in schools. the newspapers that reported on it were removed from our libraries. you have generations grow up in our community who didn't even hear about it until the late '90s and early 2000s, and when you have that kind of trauma

occur and that kind of hurt and then -- and death, and then you have the african-americans in tulsa told, we're never going to bring to justice the people who did this to your community, and you need to just get on with it and move on, and we're not going to talk about this anymore. that does not lead to healing for a community, and i think what you see in cities around our country right now is that there's tremendous pain in our country that has built up over decades. this doesn't just start this week. this started -- this has been building up for decades and the lack of willingness for leaders to openly talk about this and try to address those societal issues that spring from it, i think has caused a lot of folks in our country to just decide, we've got to elevate this discussion and raise awareness around it, and they're doing so very successfully. >> mayor, it's a, a sophisticated way to look at it,

because what a lot of people say, whether talking slavery or jim crow or civil rights or the tulsa massacre is that, i didn't do this. this wasn't me. why are we drudging up all of these old wounds? you happen to actually have had support for this, but the view you talk about, discussion, learning from the past to not make the same mistakes in the future, how do you convince those in tulsa who don't feel it's a and useful way to drudge up old wounds? >> sure. the arguments you just put there is the reason for 98 years no one did the right thing on this and it's taken that long to begin the process for the missing graves from the race massacre in our community. the way i try to put it to people is to imagine yourselves

at home on a summer evening and law enforcement comes to your door and says, there's a riot going on. you have to come with me right now. and they take you to this local sports arena and they lock you in there for three days, and when you come out, after three days, your entire neighborhood is burned to the ground and people that you know and love have just disappeared, and the answer, what you're told, after that happens is, hey, you know, you need to move on from this, and we are not going to talk about this anymore. and then we wonder why we have challenges with race, both here in tulsa and in our country. the whole notion of, you just need to move on, and, is, i think, disrespect for the great hurt and death that african-americans locally in tulsa and in our country have faced. so it is incumbent on all of us to pursue the truth, and

regardless of where it leads. that's what we're trying to do in tulsa right now with this. i just wish somebody would have done this 98 years ago rather than us having to take it up at this point. it should have been done so long ago. >> it is incumbent upon all of us to pursue the truth, 23no matter where it leads. maybe, thank you for your you're doing. mayor of tulsa, oklahoma, marking the 99th anniversary of the tulsa race massacre. thank you, sir. policing. tension between african-americans and policing. a lot of people think it has roots in slavery. to some degree it does, but not at much. back then slaves didn't have rights. you didn't need police to enforce whatever you did against them, but after that came reconstruction, and that's where you needed police to actually do things that were not fair, to keep black people who had been freed from slavery from their

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and political progress of african-americans, which is played in to this week's protests, not just here in minneapolis but across the country. the approximate cause of these troe te protests of the death of george floyd. no one should lose the sight of that, but i want to bring in a staff writer of the "new yorker," an msnbc political analyst and bring in a pulitzer prize-winni prize-winning journalist and co-founder of the ida b. wells society and nicole received a pulitzer prize for her work on the 1619 project. 1619 is when the first enslaved americans arrived on our shores, nicole, and no one can argue that much progress has not been made, but the argument that you made that won you the pulitzer prize is the argument that without black economic --

without black political freedom, america did not have political freedom. without blacks being involved in democracy, america, by definition, did not have democracy. >> absolutely. i mean, what we're seeing right now are black citizens demanding their full citizenship in this country, and there's a very long history of black people not being treated as humans, and the belief it was legal to kill black americans, and we're seeing the manifestations of that right now. these protests are not about just one thing. they are about the disadvantages black americans have faced across the spectrum. >> talk a lot about historical context. when nicole talks about black americans wanting their citizenship, that means a lot of things things.

social equality. economic equality. really this week is about my trite not be shot without a hearing for what it is i did. we don't reallydoing, but we do think it may have had something to do with a $20 counterfeit bill. i don't think anybody believes he needed to die noofor that. a white collar crim na for thin this, you don't even go to jail. >> we have completely different judicial systems in this country. historically speaking, this has always been the issue. and as you pointed out earlier, it is in the origins of policing, certainly in the american south which was to reinstitute white supremacy after emancipation. and to find the roots of american policing there in slave patrols that were tasked with preventing black people from

escaping the institution of slavery into freedom. so there's no shortage of examples, and we kind of look at places in the great migration and the places people went and the corresponding attempts of policing not to protect and serve but to make sure that the geographic proximity of black people was never too close to white people. and so this is simply a descendant of the ancestral problem in this country from the outset of american policing. >> you know, nicole, it's interesting, because in totalitarian states we understand police are a tool of the government to control the people, but yesterday one of the protests, maybe it was friday, yeah. friday. one of the protests. an african-american woman protesting in front of the national guardsman and kept saying, you work for us! we pay your taxes! you work for us. you need to protect us. and there doesn't seem to be a

shared understanding that that's actually what police do for the african-american community. i think a lot of americans think police are pub live servants who work for them, are paid for by them. to gilani's years or the last 1. >> it is never been the experience of black americans that the police force has worked for us. the police force as jelani pointed out was derived as a means of social control of black americans, continues to operate as a means of social control. black americans were policed the way white americans would be, they would not be in the streets now. i also think there is a sense on behalf of many police officers, not all, but many police officers, that they don't in fact work for black americans. there i don't think the way that black americans see police as agents of the state supposed to be providing a service is the way that many police and politicians who deploy police in the black

neighborhoods see them. >> jelani, the fact is that in some of these places, we look at ferguson, missouri, there were no black police. is part of this policing or is this policy? >> it is both. so we had, if you go back the early part of the 20th century, there were always investigations trying to figure out why you had upridings, one thing they said they needed to diversify the police department. and what you found is that this is made some improvement around the margin, but certainly has not eliminated the problem in totality. and so this becomes a bigger policy issue. and the last thing i'll say about this is that it is very important to focus on policing, because policing is the spark that ignites these things, but for every one of these scenarios i covered, i've covered a lot, it is always a complex other socioeconomic dynamics.

nicole did outstanding work on the educational system in ferguson. when you went to ferguson, some of want they wanted to talk about is what happened to michael brown. a lot of what they wanted to that talk about were the institutions that were failing them there,unemployment, the court. so policing becomes the trigger, detonates a much bigger complex of social subordination. >> thank you to both of you. i implore my viewers to follow jelani and nicole on social media and read their important writings on these topics. thank you for joining me. jelani cobb and nicole hannah jones. let me just pull out and show outsce you the scene here. i'll hand it over to miguel, my partner, my photographer for the past few days, that's the 3rd precinct that burned out.

next to it, a liquor store, a tobacco store and smoke shop. next to it, a restaurant, more restaurants and a burned out block. this is the picture of one area, here in minneapolis. i'm going to leave you with some pictures of what we have experienced in covering this story in the last couple of days. joy reid joins me after this and she will be talking to minnesota congresswoman ilhan omar. have a good weekend. >> they're aiming their fire now. they're working towards us. get back. get back. get back. he's hit. step back. watch it, guys. we got gas here. all right. back up. back up. back up. back up. they're now moving toward us, they're now moving toward us. there was -- >> they're shooting. >> they're shooting. put your helmets on. miguel, stay with me. we got gassed.

continuing to fire at us. there we go. here is the gas canister. there has been no provocation, joshua. there was nothing that happened whatsoever. the police pulled into the intersection, unprovoked, right into the middle of the crowd. split the crowd, started firing in both directions, they now have fired at us. anybody here hit? the gentlemen next to us got hit. and that is what has happened. this is the first interaction we have seen tonight with the police, those are police with national guard, they continue to move. we got hit unfortunately with tear gas. without our masks on because it was that fast. we, by the way, had a good sense of when the tear gas is going to come. the police generally have been pretty orderly about it. what happened here, there was no warning whatsoever. they pulled into the station, jumped out of their car, and

they just came in and started shooting. we were very close. we weren't anywhere near the front of the crowd. we were maintaining security protocol. we were probably in the last third of the crowd. and they intercepted the crowd. they broke the crowd. which put us very, very close to the police and they fired on us. there were flash bangs that came out. canisters that came out and you saw they actively aimed their guns at people, and, again, joshua, i will put my career on this. there was nothing at any stage in the -- i will tell you this, i've been here for three days, i've not seen this level of aggression at all. we got sirens now. they are moving now, they're moving closer. they have split the crowd. the -- half of the march was in front and has moved forward. you're now hearing sirens, people moving in. i'm not sure what that is. that's an ambulance that isbut . i will tell you when asked,

miguel, just a quick spin around, take a look at this, miguel, we got protesters moving closer and the police continue to fire. >> it sounds like they're chanting, do it, do it, like they're daring the state troopers to fire on them again. am i hearing that right? >> i got hit. yeah, i got hit. hold on. >> let's come out for a second. ali velshi is standing by on the scene with us in minneapolis where things have certainly escalated. getting older shouldn't mean giving up all the things she loves to do. it should just mean, well, finding new ways to do them. right at home's professional team thoughtfully selects caregivers to provide help with personal care, housekeeping, and of course, meal preparation. oh, that smells so good. aw, and it tastes good, too. we can provide the right care, right at home.

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let's be very clear. the situation in minneapolis is no longer in any way about the murder of george floyd. it is about attacking civil society, instilling fear and disrupting our great cities. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." well, we have experienced a lot of strange, disturbing things over the last four years, to say the least. but the last 24 hours, well, it's been particularly off. saturday morning, during this very hour, minnesota officials attributed the damage, assorted mayhem and fires that rocked the city the night before to instigators from outside the state, including white nationalist groups and criminal gangs who were hijacking the otherwise peaceful