united states to tweet by a police officer. it law allows the federal govert a very good day to all of to poe lliticize what's going o you from right here at msnbc and theories blaming the left and the extreme left which only headquarter furthers the politics of headquarters. division. high noon on the east. a couple of live pictures. on the left, there you see times maya angelou said, hate caused a square where traffic is moving lot of problems in the world but more freely than it usually does it has not solved one yet. the past couple of months. to the right, we have chicago. that is where the mayor will be the goal has to be affecting holding a briefing shortly. change. how do you use the energy to we are awaiting governor cuomo's mobilize people to actually news conference. as soon as that gets underway we reform society and make things will take you there. of course, both these better? discussions today will be don't tell me that we can't change. reflecting the protests as well as the violence that's been seen because we know we have and we can. since the death of george floyd. let's go now to the fallout from the unrest and protests around the country last night. change comb comes when the stae

more demonstrations are expected up. it's not easy. later today. when the stars line up and the officials in minnesota rolled people are ready to change, they out an enormous police response to prevent the destruction of can change. we have seen it happen in this local businesses. state and in this nation. today they see the efforts paying off with the arrests of armed individuals. we created a new civil right in >> a large number of the arrests we made over the last night were this nation for the lgbtq for weapons violations. community when we passed marriage equality. we took ar-15s off people, we and we said we will no longer took gun os off people. we were seeing cars drive discriminate when it comes to through without license plates marriage and telling people who they can love and who they can't on them, with their lights out love. and their windows blacked out. after the sandy hook massacre, police moved to stop those when people saw the madness of vehicles and when they did, the an assault weapon killing children, we passed common sense drivers and occupants fled on foot. >> this is just a small snapshot gun reform in this state after decades of trying. of the cleanup take across this country. more than two dozen cities when we have record income affected. last night in chicago, looters inequality and people said this got the better of a few stores in the late hours there. is enough and enough is enough, this is the aftermath. that's when we passed free the broken glass, graffiti along

college tuition. we passed a minimum wage where a road ahead to the cleanup people can actually live there. we have been showing you pictures from a wild night in d.c. cars were on fire. decently. now there's new video of and we have seen that lesson graffiti all over the secret over the past 92 days as we have service vehicles. today, the ronald reagan been dealing with this foundation and a number of restaurants near the white house are going to need repair. coronavirus. who changed society to deal with fires raged on in the streets of this virus? the people did it. fi 50 days ago, on april 12th, we philly. by daylight folks were out there cleaning up. they were bringing order back to their own streets. lost 800 people from covid. this was the scene in minneapolis. it was a little less violent yesterday, we lost 56. last night than the night before. officials say a larger police 800 to 56. presence helped to manage those crowds. let's go live to minneapolis. 60 days ago we had 3,400 people steve patterson is there for us come into our hospitals. once again. let's talk about the scene there yesterday, we had 191. today. it's somewhat different than this time yesterday when we were who did that? who made that remarkable change, that radical change? talking. there was smoke, a smould smold who made all that progress? building behind you. government leaders, government what happened last night? did it? no. >> reporter: this is the scene let's be honest.

where we exactly almost where we were yesterday. you can see some of the most government leaders denied devastations behind me. i want to make it clear, this is covid was a problem. not from last night. most didn't know what to do. this would be from friday night. if they knew what to do, they this area, mostly protected. didn't know how to do it. i want to show you something it wasn't government. over my right shoulder. you can see again volunteers on it was we the people. the street. people, citizens of this we the people forced that change. community doing their part to clean up. these people are hunting for and did it in weeks, literally. debris today because it is not so of course we can change. as widespread as it was yesterday. and our challenge today is to the law enforcement officials, state officials, local officials use this moment, use this energy are attributing that to the -- as you mentioned, incredible constructively and demand real surge of law enforcement positive change. presence on the ground, starting and articulate what the change with the national guard. is that we want. friday, we had 700 troops from be specific. the national guard. we know what must be done. last night that swelled to we know what we can do. we know what should be done. 4,100. a tremendous show of support. and we know what should be done immediately. the governor says it was used as a deterrent and to target people demand the federal government that you mentioned. people that they say were and every state government pass driving around in unmarked cars a law that says allegations of police abuse cannot be without license plates, with

tinted windows, with ar-15s in investigated by local prosecutors because the city. those are the people they were self-policing does not work, period. looking to go after. people that they say have been allegations must be investigated agitators from the first moment by an independent, outside that there was unrest in this agency. city. demand we define excessive force they say they have been arrests by a police officer by one standard all across this nation ended. they are thinking another 40 or so every american lives by the same standard. 50 as the night went on beyond if a police officer is accused midnight. they are calling this of wrongdoing and is being successful. this street was so bombed out investigated, release the yesterday. today there is barely any fresh disciplinary records so people debris, barely any new fire can see what the prior acts of across the city. that does not mean there weren't that police officer was. demand that every public school provide the same level of fla funding for a child so we don't flashpoints. there were certain areas with there was a huge stand. the bridge coming into town, have two education systems in they had to push protesters away there. this nation, one for the rich mostly what the national guard and one for the poor. was used for was to create a there is no reason and no excuse barrier so to speak as the governor said, to protect the sanctity of life and property. today for any child to live in but also to get emergency vehicles in. poverty. we know that. get firefighters into an area

like this in case there was a spot fire so they could put a demand that change. hose on it. if our government leaders won't despite that and besides that, a lot of this was a community do it or can't do it or don't effort. look up here. know how to do it, then you vote them out. big george, when they go high -- when they go low, we go high. that's how you make change. this is the michelle obama words. this is the slogan from the most americans are good, community, religious leaders, community leaders. fair-minded, descend, kind, we saw a lot of this being loving individuals. tweeted out on social media we need to mobilize the best in heavily before the night started. this is what they attribute also our people rather than allowing to people respecting and staying the worst. in with that curfew in place. i want to take you now to the but don't lose the passion. leadership as you mentioned, the don't lose the outrage. governor reimposing that curfew be frustrated. for tonight. also speaking about the sanctity but be smart. of why they did what they did. dealing with the systemic issues that led to this situation in and be directed and be the first place. constructive. help your community. they're not shy in addressing don't hurt your community. be a laser and focus on real that, which has been positive positive change. messaging that we heard from the community in listening to the leadership. that's how this moment becomes a listen to what they said this morning, just a few hours ago. different moment in the history take a listen. books. that's how george floyd's death

does not become just another >> if we do not get to the name in a long list of people problem this will get us back to a point that led to our who should have never died in the first place. communities on fire. george floyd must not have died our security and safety in question. in vein. mr. floyd's killing must be a and searching for who we are. moment in which this nation >> we can either channel this actually learned and grew and energy towards destroying our own communities, towards burning progressed to make this place a better place. and looting our barber shops, and we can do it. if we are smart together. our restaurants, our family-owned businesses, the lives and livelihoods that have gone into all of those langston hughes told us the ultimate goal. institutions, or we can take make america the land that this energy and we can channel fulfills her promise of it towards building a better future. greatness for all americans. >> reporter: back live. you can see the effort to clean that's what this is about. up whatever they can. we can do that. still searching, hunting and finding debris and getting it we have shown what we can do. off the street. this is the effort we have seen use this moment, use this consistently now, particularly starting with yesterday when there was the widespread empowerme devastation. even with the small amount of empowerment, use this

mobilization. and use it for good. debris that exists from overnight tonight, they are use it for good. finding a way to get it off the street. an incredible effort. so that when we look back we curfew extends into tonight. they do expect to confront more say, yes, the story was all too familiar in some ways. of the inflammatory element that we have seen in nights previous, what happens to mr. floyd was all too familiar. even last night. they say they are prepared to do that with the uplifted and more but the outcome was different. the outcome was historic. surge in the national guard. maybe even including more troops and it was actually a moment of positive change. on the ground as they go on through the week. back to you. that has to be our goal. >> a lot of very responsible and caring people behind you at noted by what they are doing. as we talked about yesterday, all of us from the angry, young they are wearing masks. they care about their community. protesters on the street, they care about everybody else by these actions. thank you so much. new information today on the frustrated, energized, lashing who fi horrifying video of a woman being thrown to the ground friday night. out to government sides of the the nypd saying that is now investigated. they are being looi ilooking at police officers, 99.9% of them policeman involved in that. who are good, hard working

people who are trying to help their community. it's a common goal. let's go to my colleague. she's looking at the man, the we just have to be smart enough to get there. questions? instigator, the police officer and his supervisor right behind >> we saw a lot of videos of him, by the way, who ended up assaulting her and throwing her nypd accelerating into a crowd on the ground. as you are there in times of protesters. there's video of officials square, we noted earlier, pulling down masks of protesters traffic seems to have picked up. let's talk about the environment and pepper spraying this. you are in and what you are learning about this case. violence on both sides. >> reporter: yeah. it was nypd's response. there's so many factors at play. multiple angles of cellphone was it appropriate? should the state police take over? video in that particular case and in many cases we are seeing >> look, these situations are coming out of the protests. very, very difficult. there's more traffic out today. i have seen them. i have been there. we are seeing activity as far as being here at times square everybody is under stress. that's it's peaceful. as i made my way up manhattan, they are very difficult the main region here of lower situations to manage. the police are in an impossible manhattan into midtown, i did situation in many ways. see other parts that looked -- that were remnants of last night's protests. but their behavior is fewer people out in that area. more police barricades and everything. i have seen those videos. heavier police presence. those videos are truly that video we saw with the woman disturbing.

being thrown to the ground, she some of the videos, frankly, are talked about the fact that they were backing up. inexplicable to me. the protesters were in the street backing up. police were pushing them back. they had a bottle thrown at what do we do about it? i've asked the attorney general, them. they were deciding to pull the who is an independent, elected crowd back. she was in the street. you could see from another angle of that video where the officer official, to review the police tells her to get out of the conduct, activities in the street. she asks the officer why. you can see in the video, he protests last night, the night swats her camera away. then he shoves her to the before, if there's one tonight. ground. she suffered a seizure and a and then i want an independent, concussi informed review of what was done concussion. when she woke up in the hospital, she spoke on the incident. right, what was done wrong. >> them acting the way they i want that record in 30 days. acted today isn't go helping the i don't want this to be another cause. it isn't proving to us they care government ongoing report that about us. i wasn't aggressive towards the comes out when everybody has police officer. moved on. get it done in 30 days. even if i was, he should have had the self-restraint to not don't pull any punches. tell the truth. everybody saw the video. hurt the people he is supposed everybody wants an explanation. to be protecting. that's the point of them being an officer. they're supposed to protect us. let's get the explanation from >> reporter: bothey are the attorney general and let's make it informed and smart.

investigating that incident. but let's get it done quickly. it was a third night of clashes >> in 30 days. between protesters and police what about tonight? what about tomorrow? >> tonight, the nypd -- i have yesterday. a chaotic night. we want to show you more video spoken with the mayor. that's difficult to watch. he understands the situation. this is a video of what appears the police commissioner to be a crowd of protesters understands the situation. they know the attorney general against a barricade. they are throwing things on the is going to review it. police vehicle. then the vehicle i am telling them that if that you can hear screaming, yelling. it was quite frightening. review looks at those videos and it's unclear if anyone was hurt in that incident. finds that there was improper we know now this morning that police conduct, there will be ramifications. 350 people have been arrested overnight. more than 30 officers reporting that is not going to be a report that just sits on the shelf. injuries. 47 police vehicles lit on fire this is a moment of reform. and even some businesses near i'm not going to judge it on union square targeted as well. just what i saw on the video. it's a shame. the beginning part of the night right? started off peacefully. as i said, from what i saw on there were peaceful protests. the video, i think it's protesters took over the brooklyn bridge. inexplicable. all of it seemed to devolve as maybe there is an explanation. the hours went on into more and there's always two sides. riotous behavior. people throwing bricks at the attorney general will talk to the police.

officers, vehicles being lit on let's see what they have to say. fire and more and more arrests and more people being injured then we will make decisions. and looting stores. but if there was improper as today goes on, we know more behavior, there will be consequences. period. protests are planned. we also know from the molotov people deserve answers and accountability. as i said, i think one of the cocktail incident yesterday with the van being lit on fire, problems in minneapolis was federal attempted murder crime people saw the video of the charges are now facing one woman george floyd killing and then who did that with four officers in that van. the prosecutors got up and said, we have to look, we have >> shocking video. additional evidence, we don't thank you for sharing all of know what it is, there's been no that with us from times square. answer yet on the other police let's go right now as promised to governor andrew cuomo. officers, there's been no take a listen. answers on why manslaughter, not >> let's talk about where we are murder. i think that just compounds the today with the covid virus situation. first. the number of hospitalizations but i'm not going to make are down again. decisions off ethe video. i understand how difficult the intubations down again. job is of the police. let's hear what they have to number of new deaths still say. but a degri agree that the vide dropping. all good news. very, very, very disturbing. >> as of a few months ago, the number of lives lost down to 56, state police were the largest

police agency -- largest state police agency in the nation which is in this absurd reality without patrol cameras, dash we live in actually very, very cameras or body cameras. good news. your administration announced a there will be a point at which the number of deaths can't get pilot program. can you give us an update. any lower because people will >> i can get you an update. i don't know the progress of the die of something and covid virus body camera program. >> one of the protesters -- they is very good at affecting those are tired of the language of a people who have other illnesses. few bad apples when it comes to police brutality. this reduction in the number of there are calls to put more deaths is tremendous progress. focus on officers who might be watching wrongdoing happening as we have gone through hell and protesters are taking from the videos we are seeing of other back. but we are on the other side. law enforcement personnel it's a lesson for all of us. watching something wrong happening and not stopping it or last night as i said was an ugly following up. what more can be done on this issue to encourage -- to protect night all across this nation. it was an ugly night across this state. whistle-blowers and fight we had a number of protests all against this boys club mentality that a lot of protesters are

across the state. talking about? >> i think one of the -- what i new york city, cities upstate. was trying to say in my opening we have seen a lot of disturbing remarks, you listen to the video about the protests. protesters interviewed on tv. what do you want done? you get a whole array of issues i have asked the attorney general to review the new york city protests and the actions and vagueness. and procedures that were used. we know what needs to be done. we know what reforms we need. i'm going to ask her to include let's be specific. in that review these if there's an allegation of demonstrations that are ongoing police abuse, the local district attorney should not be the investigating authority. last night, if there are why? additional demonstrations because self-policing doesn't tonight. and the attorney general will be work. the local prosecutor works with reviewing those actions. that police agency day in and upstate york we also had actions. we had a significant state day out. are they really in a position to police presence all across be fair and objective? upstate new york. we have the national guard on they will say yes. i say from a public confidence standby. we expect additional protests point of view, have the investigation done by someone else. tonight. we're preparing for such. it should be done by an outside rochester, the county executive

agency that people know can be fair. and may ror asked for state pole that's why i'm asking the tonight. we will have 200 additional attorney general to do the state police. look, the big issue is, people review of the police conduct. are outraged. because she's independently i understand that. elected. i'm outraged. she's a state wide official. she can be honest and objective about the nypd. it's not just george floyd's that's why in this state we have killing. although, that's enough to outrage a nation. when there's a killing by a police officer of an unarmed it's george floyd, it's 30 years person, the attorney general does the investigation and not the local district attorney. having national definition of of rodney king and bell and the excessive force. why? because there should be one definition. if a police officer abuses someone in new york city, it should be the same as if they same case in states all across this nation. abuse someone in minneapolis or if they abuse someone in los only the name changes but the color stays the same. angeles. if there's an abuse you then had the first press conference by prosecutors investigation against a police looking at the minneapolis officer, release their prior situation that frankly raised disciplinary record to see if more questions than it answered. there's a pattern. by the way, if you release the the real issue is the continuing record and it says, there has

racism in this country. never been any prior conduct, and it is chronic, and it is that actually works to exonerate endemic, and it is institutional. the police officer. if you release a disciplinary and it speaks to a collective record and you find out there's been a pattern, that's also hypocrisy. we're very good in this country at telling other people how they informative. should live their lives and how these are changes that can be made and should be made now, they should act. how we preach a high standard. today. but we still discriminate on the not cursing the darkness. basis of color of skin. light a candle. this is what we want done. that is the simple, painful truth. but this is a moment for truth. be specific. then say to your congress wom , at the same time, it is equally people, wasn't this law passed. true that violence never works. say to your mayor and your governor, i want this law passed. if they don't do it, then say, how many protests have we had? i'm going to vote you out. how many nights have we gone that's how this works. through like last night? how many times have we burned people win at the end of the day down our own businesses, our own when they are focused and mobilized and they are focused neighborhoods and our own and mobilized today. i would go further. communities? burning down your own house i would say, now is the moment to say, i want quality education.

never works and never makes sense. this is ludicrous and repugnant burning down your own struggling you have some school districts businesses, people who are trying to bring back the that spend $36,000 on a child's community never makes sense. it dishonors mr. floyd's death. education and some school districts that spend $13,000 on a child's education. mr. floyd was not violent. how do you justify that the mr. floyd was compliant. mr. floyd wasn't even charged or children of the rich get a much better education than the children of the poor? how is that fair? accused of a violent crime. how is that fair at all? there was no violence. you don't understand. that's what makes the killing it's hard politically to do that. more outrageous. well, i understand it's hard when you are violent, it allows politically. i also understand, it's the right thing to do. i understand that. well, the political system -- too bad. then elect a new political system. that's what i say. that kind of reform can be done by political will. how can you justify any child in

america living in poverty? how can you do that? any child. well, it's hard politically. i understand that. i have been battling these things as governor. i would welcome an empowered citizenry that says, yes, we demand equality of education funding. i would welcome it. i proposed it every year. i can't get it. be specific about the changes you want made. focus that energy. make it a laser. actually affect did tuate chang. how does george floyd become different than rodney king and abner louima? 30 years of the same basic

situation. what changed? nothing. nothing. >> a lot of the people -- a lot of the people that we have been speaking to over the last two weeks feel that the government is at fault for their situation, specifically people in poverty, with what's going on with the pandemic, because a lot of people were forced out of work and now they are waiting for unemployment and it's been three months and they haven't gotten any money. we have people calling our news station in tears saying that they can't get through to the unemployment line. they are saying specifically something this state government can do to help them is to open in-person unemployment lines and make sure the people get their money, because what i am hearing from people is this state of unrest that a lot of these folks

that we're seeing are in, they are desperate. they are -- they were poor. now they were forced out of work. now our unemployment system is backed up. they can't get through. so they don't just blame police. they blame government as a whole. >> i understand. you are right. they do blame government as a whole. this sis a very tough circumstance for everyone. it's not a coincidence the unrest happens in the middle of the pandemic. those are not separate situations. there's tremendous stress on everyone. this isolation of people, the lack of social interaction has created a lot of mental health stress. i think that's true and that's a fact. the explosion we saw last night and we will probably see again tonight, i think it has many --

there are many sources of energy coming into that. what is the direct relationship between 90 days of close down and coronavirus and unemployment and fear and isolation and then the george floyd killing as an accelerant to an already highly stressful situation? more sophisticated minds than mine would have to figure out. it is all of that, yes, i understand. on the unemployment rules before people qualify for funding. we're not in a position to tell people line up and i will give you a check. it's not that simple. the money is not, give anybody who asks funding. they have to meet certain criteria. the federal government has a whole list of criteria that have to be met before they can get the funding.

most of the people who are still waiting for checks now have issues that have to be reviewed or investigated. i understand this moment. but let's remember the next moment. you are going to be sitting in the same chair three weeks from now, and you are going to have the same indignation in your voice when you say, how did this state give out $100 million wrongfully in unemployment benefits who defrauded the government and actually were living in wealth? how did you do that? you are going to have the same indignation. >> because you said before that some people were defrauding the unemployment system. people can't get through just to get basic questions answered, to see if they qualify. they made their full-time job trying to get through to unemployment. they are saying, it's at a point

of desperation. can we do lines with social distancing where i can get my question answered where i can find out a time line of when i'm going to get my money? governor, people are literally calling our news station crying and saying their families are starving and they have to borrow money from people. >> i understand. >> we will look into that. >> the protests that have gone on across the cities upstate. do you have plans to access state police or the national guard? do you think it's at that level? >> i think i said, we have had state police helping on all of the upstate -- you may have come in late. i said in beginning, we have had state police helping all the upstate cities. rochester asked for 200

additional state police tonight and we're doing that. we have the national guard on standby. one more, mr. campbell. >> what are those 200 state troopers that are going to rochester -- what is their role going to be? also, at what point do you step in and take some sort of statewide action? a curfew, deploy the national guard, something like that? >> i have the national guard on standby. any place that needs additional help where the local police can't handle it, we have national guard. we have state police. we have had state police helping all of the upstate cities. that worked well enough. i mean, it is what it is. but have them all the resources they need. for tonight, rochester asked for 200 additional state police. we will do that. any other city that asks for additional state police, we can provide that. if we need more than the state police, then we have the national guard. it's making sure we have enough

resources to address every situation. we take our clues from the local officials and the previous behavior and the only city right now that says they need help is rochester. mark, you have the last one. >> there are a few other cities were talking about protection for tonight. buffalo, we will be deployed 150 troopers. then we are working would syracuse and albany. they are figuring out what they think they need. as the governor said, we have been communicating with the county executives and the mayors. whatever they need, they will get. >> is there a point where you implement some sort of statewide curfew? cities are implementing curfews. >> you know, curfews -- there is no one size fits all here. curfews work well in some cities. some cities, they can create additional issues. that's a case by case basis.

look, where we are in new york, this was ugly last night. from a management point of view, a police officer point of view, resource point of view, every locality did what they had to do. it's just an ugly situation. it's a difficult situation. but we have between the state police and national guard, we have more than enough resources to make sure every locality has what they need. >> mark, last, last, last. >> i didn't want to break the momentum of the other because i have a question off topic. off topic from what they were saying. >> it's not their topic. everybody has their own topic. >> when do you think the time will be ready for the state workers to head back to their offi offices? i understand it's all regional and it's at the right time. as you are re-imagining new york, how does that relate to state union contracts?

is that the -- why the state work force is without a contract today because you are trying to reimagine things? >> no. the reimagine has nothing to do with the contract. rob, you want to talk about the state offices open with that regional opening? >> the state offices have been as we need more employees in certain areas for certain things, for parks, for example -- >> we have been listening to governor cuomo of new york doing his daily news conference. they are at that last question there. it's now a bit of a microfocus on when state offices will open. we will past that for this national broadcast. he was speaking with a lot of passion about a few points, which i would like to reiterate. he said, when you use violence, it allows the president to talk about looting instead of a non-violent man who was killed at the hands of a police officer. he also said, violence never helps. it never helps to burn down your own house. very sage points he was making

there. whether it was racism today or whether he was talking about children being allowed to live in poverty today, the governor was talking about a three-pronged approach to having to affect change in the country, political, legal and moral. on that legal front right now, joining me is msnbc legal analyst paul butler, professor at georgetown school of law and author of "choke hold, policing black men." i'm glad you are here. let's get specific with what happened regarding george floyd and everything in minneapolis. we listen to what minnesota attorney general keith ellison said. he was on fox news today regarding this case. take a listen. >> to ask people to be patient who have suffered so long and been denied justice so long is really asking a lot of them. if you want to make sure that this case results in a successful prosecution, you have to understand the defense attorneys who are on the other side are very skillful. they will try to break every

single link. i ask people, don't rush this thing. let's get this thing right. remember, the walter scott jury hung. the rodney king jury came back acquitting the defendants. these cases which look so obvious to us watching videotape, you get them into trial with some really good lawyers, things can go in a very different direction. let's get this thing right. >> go through what he was saying for me, paul. what do you make of what attorney general ellison was saying. how difficult with these cases? >> this is a case that the prosecution has to win. what that means is that the government has to persuade 12 citizens of minneapolis, 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt that this officer is a murderer. if one juror votes not guilty, the prosecution loses.

so it has to choose the charges very carefully. so now the officer is charged with third degree murder. i understand that the family wants first degree murder because the punishment for that is life in prison as opposed to 25 years for murder three. i agree that life imprisonment would more appropriately reflect the gravity of what this killer cop did. but i want a conviction. i want this killer cop locked up. the difference with murder three is it's an easier charge for the government to prove. if the government -- prosecution charges first degree murder, they have to prove not only that the killing was intended but that it was planned, it was premeditated. with third degree murder on the other hand, you don't look at what the cop is thinking. you look at what he is doing.

you look at whether he did something that demonstrated depraved indifference to human life like when you put his neon this man's neck for ten minutes and watched the life drain out of him. at the end of the day, a conviction is a conviction, a murderer is a murderer and the best way to get this man locked up to see justice done is to get that conviction. best way to get the conviction is with a third degree murder charge. >> paul, how much room is there for interpretation when you have a videotape? does that not immediately refute challenges to what this officer did? i mean, it's right there for everybody to see. >> unfortunately, there's been several instances in which we have had the same quality of evidence in cases in which cops are prosecuted. we have had videos of the

killings that all 12 jurors have seen. in many cases, they still haven't come to a guilty verdict. most times when police officers are charged with a crime, they walk. they are found not guilty. it's because jurors frequently don't like to convict cops because they think if they made a mistake, they were trying to do their job. the best way again to ensure that there's a conviction here isn't to go with the charge that's the most emotionally satisfying or even the charge that most appropriately fits the crime. it's the charge where you are most likely to get a conviction. again, that's third degree murder. >> what about the other three officers involved? what do you see for their future? will they be arrested? will they be held accountable in any way? if so, how? >> they have to be arrested. they have to be held accountable. that's part of what thissa --

these brave citizens rising up to petition the government. one of the demands is that these other three cops get charged. if you have one officer who holds him down by the neck and another officer who holds him down by the leg, another officer holds him down by the back and a fourth officer prevents any bystanders from helping him, they're all murderer in my mind. that doesn't mean that they all get charged with murder. we could look at conspiracy charges. we could look at aiding and abetting charges. for these three other officers, criminal sanctions are important. this is a national problem. one of the concerns is that when cops see their fellow officers doing something that's obviously wrong and illegal, frequently they don't step up. that's that blue wall of silence. that has to be challenged. at my law school, georgetown, we

are working with local police officers to empower them to speak up when they see another cop doing wrong. >> paul, very quickly, with regard to the details from the autopsy in which it was said that the autopsy revealed no physical findings that support strangulation or strangulation and that mr. floyd had underlying health conditions and potentially intoxicants that would have contributed to his death. who do you make of that. >> we'll see the typical defense in those cases, they'll put the victim on trial and trying to say that mr. floyd had some kind of intoxic ant in his blood meaning he provoked the encounter but the problem with that defense is the videotape. we could see he was complaint

for ten minutes while he narrated his own death calling to his death, mom. in terms of the law, they have to prove cause of death that the office caused the death. it doesn't matter if there was contributing causes as long as what the officer did was one of the causes. no juror should believe it is just a coincidence that mr. floyd died while this officer's knee was on his neck. that is not a coincidence, that is called murder. >> it is good to talk with you. meantime, a new poll out there as we discuss politics related to joe biden who has a ten point lead over president trump in the 2020 presidential contest. 35% of registered voters say they prefer biden while 43% choose president trump. but that same poll showed potential challenges for biden in voter commitment and

enthusiasm and joining me now is political analyst peter baker with "the new york times." good to talk to you. let's get into this here. the ten point lead, the best for joe biden since last fall. up two points since the last one. your take on that? how do you interpret the numbers? >> yeah, i think it is pretty consistent with other polling we're seeing. biden is clearly in a strong position at the moment. at the same time there are no guarantees here. one thing in the poll it shows if you narrow the respondents to people who are going to vote and likely vote, the lead shrinks by half. in other words it matters who turns out. and that is why there is the fight over mail in voting and tuberculosis in vice president biden's interest to have more people turnout than now not and in president trump's ability to

limit the electorate to those most likely not to vote. one thing i thought was interesting is they broke it down by counties where there are high numbers of covid-19 and counties where there is not. trump wins in counties where there hasn't been the virus. so the pandemic has been dividing the country along blue, red, polarized partisan lines. >> i'll pick up on that but with regard to a couple of numbers among registered voters who support this president, 87% said they would vote for him if the election were held today but the definitely support slides to 74% for biden and about where it was for hillary clinton in an abc washington post poll this time four years ago. how does biden fire up his voters and get more of them to commit. >> that is intensity. that is what president trump has brought to the table here.

you go to the rallies and see people very fer vent and passionate for him. his face is not large. but the people who do support him support him strongly and much more than a typical politician and that is vice president's biden's clal enk for a while. people are excited to get rid of trump on the left and the question is whether or not biden could translate that into support for him and knit together his party and bring in some of the people until the middle who might decide to vote and sit it out. >> specifically the president with his job approval at 45%, 53% disapprove and the development is up seven points since late march. what is driving the numbers? is it all about the pandemic? >> yeah. in late march he had a bump from the pandemic. a small number of people rallied to his side who otherwise weren't normally for him.

a small bump that you see for presidents in a bump and now that is gone away. and the 45% in the poll for approval rating is roughly where he's been through most of the presidency. in this poll, the highest he's had other than that late march bump. so he's still in the same place he's been since the day he took office in terms of overall support from the public. it is not a strong support but he's always benefited from intense support and his strategy is to turn that into another winning hand like in 2016 even though he lost the popular vote. >> back to what i want to talk about further from you because of what you wrote about the president that i want to share with viewers an you write that mr. trump has seeked conflict not reconciliation, a fighter not a peace maker but the con fluns of racial crises has

tested his approach and left him trouble finding in the poll where he is behind. do you get the back-to-back really big crisis may be the perfect storm to his fate in november. >> you certainly could. if you look at history it is hard to see tom incumbents facing the kind of crisis that went on to win again, and an economy as troubled as it is now and the pandemic killing 100,000 people and rising. now obviously people in the streets angry, fires, police brutality, all of the things are combining to create a nation on edge and that is not a good sign for an incumbent president. president trump has defied all of the norms in the past so we should be careful about making predictions. ask hillary clinton about that. but at the moment his people are worried about this. they see an election forming not

on the terms they would have hoped it would be on, on the economy and record unemployment and job growth and business expansion and instead the argument he's going to have to make is well, we're in a bad place now but i could fix it. trust me, i did it before and i could do it again. that may work. but right now it is a referendum on him. >> peter, always good to see you, thank you so much. coming up in a few minutes, my colleagues joy reid and revere reverend al sharpton. need we say more. i know you'll stick around for that. chances are you know us.

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good day, everyone from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to weekends with alex witt. so much to tell you about this hour. we have breaking news on the protests and the unrests ongoing across the country. north dakota becomes the latest state to declare a state of emergency after a wild night of protests there. demonstrators poured on to the

streets of fargo and police responded with teargas. this clears the way for members of the national guard to be out on the streets of fargo tonight. and also just announced in chicago, along with 15 other states as well as washington, d.c. also the mayor of houston now said the remains of george floyd will be returned to his home town for burial. houston has been a hot spot for the protesters. more than a 100 people arrested there since friday. dozens of cities have put curfews into place to get protesters off the street and prevent fires. cincinnati just joining the list. and an interesting development at a protest in flint, michigan, last night. [ crowd chanting ] >> pretty remarkable. a county sheriff to stopped to agree to join the protest and

walk with them. and new today, the white house doubling down, pinning the flame on antifa and the president just tweeting about this. let's go to monicaal but live at the white house for us. what is the president saying? >> reporter: that is right. we have heard the president over a year ago float the idea of designating antifa a terrorist organize but we haven't seen any movement on that today when he just tweeted moments ago that the united states will designate them as a terrorist organization. that is guidance that would have to come from the department of justice that we don't yet have. but all signs point to that coming later today. and you could see the groundwork laid yesterday by the attorney general to talk about the extremist, the demonstrators who we've seen across the nation as a smaller percentage who the president and allies are say rg responsible for most of the damage and the violence and we

heard the president talk specifically about in his words the mob that was behind some of these and he said his administration would have absolutely no tolerance for that and he also heard that from national security adviser robert o'brien who was on the sunday shows this morning. take a listen. >> everything i've seen and that we're reporting and the reports we're receiving is this is antifa and they're crossing state lines and we saw this in seattle and berkeley and right now i think the president and the attorney general barr want to know what the fbi has been doing to surveil to disrupt and take down antifa to prosecutor them. they're using military style tactics. >> the president has been tweeting about the protests and taking aim at democratic mayors

like those in minneapolis. he has not talked about what happened outside of the white house gates but there were 60 officers who were injured in some way in those clashes overnight and it seems like they only made a few arrests per a statement that we just got in from secret service. and there is a lid already in place for the day which means we don't expect to see the president on camera or make any movements today. there was speculation about whether he would want to address the nation today. the white house said he gave a lengthy speech yesterday down in florida at the kennedy space center and to follow his tweets as the unrest continues today, alex. >> monica alba at the white house, thank you. joining me now is joy reid, host of a.m. joy. thank you so much for coming back after getting a bit of a break and i appreciate you staying with us through the governor's press conference. so you heard the national

security adviser saying that everything that he's seen is that this is antifa. do you buy that, joy? >> no. i mean, the unfortunate thing about the federal government in the hands of donald trump that the cult of personality behavior translates beyond just his fans and his voters and goes to the people who work for him and they begin to adopt his ideas, his conspiracy theories and so i think that anything that said about these protests i think has to be very seriously fact checked by people on the ground, by journalists and by people who are actually covering this in a very close way. antifa is sort of a favorite whipping boy of the right. it is a -- not an actual organization that i don't know how they're going to surveil it because it is not an organization.

i've looked up on the anti-defamation league website and the definition of ant reeva on the website is violent counter protests who are part of antifa short for anti-fascism, who agree in opposition to far right extreme right wing movements and their eye dolg is they would not come into being if people had not fought them in the streets. the first thing i heard about the loose collection of people who call themselves antifa or people are calling them that was during the charlottesville riots when white nationalists marched in charlottesville with tiki torches and one of them killed a young woman named heather heyer.

and the antifa people who showed up and in some cases who fought them were the anti-fascists. so it is not logical that is the primary group involved particularly when there is reported, vice news and other news organization have done real reporting, we had frank figliuzzi, former fbi on this morning with me, it is very clear that there are white nationalist groups that are organizing online and saying go and get your loot on sending messages out saying you should go and disrupt. so there could be far left extreme groups, anarchist groups doing it and frank figliuzzi said and far right groups doing it to. no one has said antifa is here burning building. they've said white nationalist groups or others have -- and the

only people saying antifa are donald trump and his cottier. and i think the wise thing for people to do would be to be skeptical, if your in black lives matter and related protests over the murder, the murders of black people by police, which is a legitimate reason for people to be marching they should know who is around them and recognize when people who are not belonging with them are there and disrupting. document it. videotape it. it is important to document it. but i won't just take at rote what donald trump or his people say. >> and it brings into question if this is not an organized description by the anti-defamation league how the president wants to categorize this group as a terrorist group so that begs questioning right there. but here is something he did respond to as he was leaving for florida yesterday, addressing a question about his potential influence in all of the protests.

here is that, joy. >> are you concerned that you might be stoking more racial violence or -- >> no. no. maga says make america great again. these are people who love our country. i have no idea if they were going to be here. i was just asking. but maga is make america great again. by the way, they love african-american people, they love black people. >> what is your response to that, joy? >> um, well, first of all, it is quite a tell that he has delineated between maga and black people. so that tells me that even in his own mind maga does not include black people. that is good to know. thank you for making that clear to us. and when donald trump was tweeting sort of gid illy about the fact that he was watching on tv as protesters were outside of the white house and they will

meet force like they've never seen tweeting things like when the looting starts the shooting starts which is a famous saying by a notorious miami police chief would used violence in 1968 against civil rights protests. that is telling that he's using that kind of language that comes from the segregated south. then he adds to the tweet i wonder if tomorrow night is maga night and i tweeted what does maga night mean because we know that donald trump ran with the help of someone neemed steve bannon who by his own designate bright breitbart the home of alt white. that is the name for it. so the modern version of it. he has people in his administration who have those leanings. he himself has made really racist statements and been

really particular about the people that he sees as enemy i as being brown, s-hole countries and black people who kneel in the nfl. he is particular about who he is and who his people are in his own mind so when he things there is going to be maga night and the people who marches in charlottesville who killed a young woman who happened to be white, heather heyyer, who said there were fine people among them, it is very suspicious when he said it is going to be maga right and the far right took that and ran with it and those who follow what the far right does and says online noted they took it and ran with it and had their own interpretation. there was a scary interpretation. so you would think he would be more careful with what he said because he's saying it from the pulpit of the presidency but he's donald trump so he's not careful. >> here is a question, joy, asked of the minnesota attorney

general this morning. take a look at this. >> do blacks in minneapolis have reason to distrust or even to fear they're local police? >> sadly, yes. there is a history that has been repeated time and time again. i want to say that many officers are great people. i know so many of them. and i think the chief is an extraordinary person and the mayor and the council deserve credit for appointing mr. arredondo but it is a problem in the minneapolis police department. >> have you, joy, been aware of a.g. ellison's issues there, do you think it is a reflection of how deeply rooted racial inequity is rooted in this country. >> i don't think you have to be all that familiar with the details of minneapolis policing to understand that that is very likely true because it is true in every community in practically every state in

america. my god brother is a retired police officers and i still have a great deal of fear of police. i fear for my sons, my daughter even when my husband is out in the world, they're interactions with police how they could go because we know how they've gone in the past. innocent black life has been taken by law enforcement and we're talking decades and decades and decades. you go back through the history of the 20th century and other than the racist riots of like 1921 in oklahoma where it was white citizens burning down black wall street in oklahoma, the vast majority of the riots that involved black people involved reactions to police killings of black people. it is been systemic through the 20th and now into the 20th century. we don't have to sit here and name aust people who preceded george floyd. and even president obama has talked about being pulled over and when you see the blue lights you don't foe how you'll come

out of that interaction and we even saw last night, i was watching ali develop she and all over the country the aggression of the police even though they were responding to people's outrage over a police killing of an innocent man, the aggression and the authoritarian mindset and you hear the unions saying thank god donald trump took the gloves off and let us free and do whey with do. the attitude toward black life, the lack of concern for the value of it, the lack of value of a black life, this is endemic in police departments. so people have a reason to be frad. and to be honest public policy needs to be change. there is a lot that needs to

change. the leadership has to start from the top. a good police chief makes a heck of a difference in the way the officers behave toward the public. it is not just taking a few classes in racial sensitivity. you need to understand if your officers are out here hurting or killing people they're going to be prosecuted and not protected by the friendly neighborhood prosecutor because they're partners. there needs to be a separation and real accountability. but black people will stop fearing police when police stop killing black people for nothing and when control holds them accountable. unfortunately every police officer i know and i have a lot of friends that are police have said to me the only thing that stops this, mark claston, a great expert said the only thing that stop this is nightmare. police officers who kill people need to go to prison. and there needs to be prosecutors willing to prosecute them. we're still waiting to see if

this prosecutor is willing to prosecute the other three officers. and amy klobuchar, i know she's quite upset with the coverage she's been getting lately but when she was the prosecutor for this exact same district, she didn't prosecute a single police officer who committed an offense against a black person. that is a problem. and it is not just her. it is prosecutors in general. the prosecutors have to change the way they behave or the decision needs to be taken off of their hands. >> a good amen to you and reverend ap sharp torn who is joining me. any sister here in msnbc. good to see you. let's go now to mayor bill de blasio, facing heat after response to this disturbing video. the vehicle as peer to be plowing right into the protesters there. this is what he said about it

last night. >> an officer is surrounded by a violent crowd, obviously that officer has to get out of there and i want to remind people that those protesters had just gotten out of the way they would have not created the attempt to surround that vehicle and talking about this situation. >> our colleague cory coughlin is joining me again from "timti square in new york city. and what is the response to this and any action that might be taken. >> reporter: i apologize in advance. there is a lot of cars coming through revving engines so if it is difficult to hear me that is why. but the response across the board has been furious. people are furious over the mayor's words and people in the camp that feels like he hasn't taken enough control of the situation in the city and others who feel he hasn't done enough to de escalate the situation. alexandria ocasio-cortez addressed the situation where you saw that very disturbing video of the suv plowing into the crowd. she said on twitter, nyc mayor

your comments tonight were unacceptable. as mayor this police department is under your leadership. this moment demands leadership and accountability from each of us. defending and making excuses nor nypd running into crowds should never be normalized no matter who does it, no matter why. and in his press conference the governor addressed the situation and take a listen to what he had to say. >> everybody is under stress. there are very difficult situations to manage. police are in an impossible situation in many ways. but they're behavior is everything. and i've seen those videos and those videos are truly disturbing. and some of the videos, frankly, are inexplicable to me.

>> reporter: so [ inaudible ]. i hope you could hear me right now. he announced that attorney general for new york is going to be conducting an independent investigation regarding -- [ inaudible ]. made public in 30 days. >> guys i'm not sure what is going on there but cory is trying to broadcast there. it sounds like something like a speedway behind her. i can't figure it out. but i'm glad you could hear me there. thank you for at least the first part of that. with me is colleen jean-pierre from the biden campaign. good to see you. you're reaction and the take on police there and the horrific incidents in new york city. >> yeah, i want to -- i want to go back to why we're having this moment right now. we have to remember that george

floyd's death was so heinous, not just people in the country saw it but people around the world saw it. and we watched a white police officer put his knee on the neck of george's there and he was pleading for breath and one of the last words that he said was "i can't breathe" while his body was going limp. and we have to remember that people are in pain. the black community is in pain because his life was so de valued. because that is not a one-off. this is something that has occurred over and over and over again. and vice president biden in his remarks on friday said something that resonated with me as a black woman. as a black mother. which is this is one of the country's original sin.

and he also said that leadership needs to come to the table to deal with uprooting racial inequality. and this is where we are. this is the moment that we're in. we have to talk about this. and we have, like joy said, put policies out there that really address this. and we need new leadership. we have a president right now who is in the white house who is doing what he normally does, what he has beening for the last four years which is incite violence and divide us and it has put the lives of people of color, lives of black people at risk. that language. here is the thing, we've seen studies, racism has gotten worse on donald trump. so we have to turn this around. we have to come out in november. we have to change leadership. not just at the top. but up and down the ballot. >> corrine, george floyd's

brother told reverend al sharpton what he asked of vice president biden during their conversation. take a listen to this. >> i never had to beg a man before but i asked him could he please, please get just for my brother. please. because i need it. i need it. i do not want to see him on a shirt just like the other guys. nobody deserved that. >> that is heartbreaking there. do you know what the vice president's response was to that? >> yeah. he basically, as you know, the vice president spoke to, as he just said, to george floyd's family and he offered his condolences clearly but also said we need to stand together and will make sure that his families and george floyd's get justice and we're going to monitor what is happening this week. i understand the police officer is going to be arraigned and the larger investigation we have to make sure that the family gets justice.

that is incredibly important. we cannot afford another george floyd's. we cannot. this country cannot take this. this community cannot take this. enough is enough. and that is i'm proud of to see biden have done through that speech that he made on friday that he went live and he talked about the real problems in this country. he talked about what african-americans, what black people are going through in this country. and it's not okay. it is not the promise of america when we're having black bodies murdered and killed like we saw in the video. and here is the thing, alex, if there was no video, we probably wouldn't have known about this. if you think about ahmaud arbery, we're watching because we're seeing the video. how about the ones where there are no videos. so this is what we have to continue to monitor. i think vp joe biden will

continue to listen and do more listening than talking and continue to reach out to folks in minnesota and not just minnesota but the country as a whole because we need new leadership. >> corrine, there is a new washington post/abc news poll out there and shows good support for your candidate there, you are now a senior campaigner and it appears voters supporting donald trump have a greater level of enthusiasm than the supporters of vice president biden. what do you say about that and how will you advise him to increase that enthusiasm for him? >> let me say this first, alex. most of the polls that we see, you have to remember donald trump is the incumbent and even with that power off incumbency e has been behind when you see the

head-to-head and joe biden has been doing well with swing states. he's growing a map that gets him to 270 where donald trump is shrinking his map. so that is real. and we have five months left. there are polls that show us up and down and the most important poll that will matter is the one on election day. i say this to your question, alex, we have to keep working. we have to make sure that we are asking for everyone's vote. this is -- we can't take anybody's vote for granted and joe biden has said that himself and then that includes the coalition that we need to build in order to win to get to 270 and to win in november. >> corrine jean-pierre, thank you so much. and we got a little bit of your time. thank you. back to new york city now. a massive crowd gathering where six years ago eric garner said the words "i can't breathe"

after being put in a chokehold. reverend sharpton led that protest. >> we're glad that in minneapolis and here we see people of all races. because this is a crime against everybody. we're glad to see whites, asians, latinos, march with the black community. because we've been abused too long. and we want it to stop. >> from the streets of staten island to the studio, ref vand sharpton is joining me and host of msnbc politics nation. and rev, let's get into this. as we see what is happening across the country, the reaction is everywhere. it has blanketed this country for the most part. is there a greater sense of unity calling out this racialin justice than we've seen before with other tragedies? >> i think we've seen a greater

sense of unity visibly. we had many that would come down through other cases. but the numbers that i've seen when i was in minneapolis and here in new york and other places of whites and latinos and asians coming out has been increased and i think that it should not be muddied by those that you have the national adviser to the president, security adviser saying about the far left. whether it is the far left or the far right, they should not muddy the fact that many americans are coming together around this issue. that many of us have been raising for years to no avail. >> do you think this is a tipping point potentially. will things changes or do you think we'll discuss another case of injustice together again inton this studio any time soon. >> i think that will be determined by how long we can keep the pressure on to not only

deal with a case, but deal with public policy around policing. you must remember, we had started making progress under the obama administration. with the 21st century task force on policing, he started talking about putting cameras on police. where that started. consent decrees on cities with a pattern and practice of police problems that then had to report to the justice department. and the justice department had taken over. all of that was canceled when donald trump came in. so it was some progress beginning after eric garner and after ferguson based on law, not in the cases particularly, but in terms of law and policy that has been rescinded. so that is why when you have president trump now talking about this like he's objective, he's administration reversed the moving trend and it certainly wasn't as much as we needed but it began moving that way and he

reversed that. he is not a silent onlooker here. they aggressively reversed where we were going in this country to hold policing accountable when we found that there were bad police. >> so on your show yesterday you spoke with george floyd's brother. i know we played part of that with corrine, what he said with regard to the vice president. but let's listen to another part of the phone call and this is pretty sobering. here it is, everyone. >> i spoke to george's family. >> he didn't give me the opportunity to even speak. >> and expressed the sore yes of our entire nation for their loss. >> i was trying to talk to him but he just kept pushing me off. >> i stand before you as a friend and ally. >> like i don't want to hear what you're talking about. >> to every american seeking justice and peace. >> and i just told him, i want justice. >> reverend, i know that you spent time with and spoken with the president in the past, in

fact for many years so what did they tell you about that phone call surprise you? >> no. because you have to be prepared and i've had fights with the president before he was president down through the years and a couple of times on the phone since he's been president and you have to be prepared going into any conversation with him to be aggressive and say, wait a minute, i need to say this. a person that just lost their brother in mourning, that all of a sudden gets a call from the president who he doesn't know the call was coming, does not know the president's kind of behavior, who had talked to biden, who talked to the whole family for about 30 minutes, understand, and thinking that the president was going to hear him out once he accepted the call, he would not be prepared to be aggressive or to do what i would do because i knew who i was dealing with. and i think that it is the height of insincerity to call

people with your sympathies and:condolences and not let them speak and tell you what was on their mind. the brother of floyd said it himself to the country on the show last night and i think that is absolutely indickive of the behavior that we've seen on the policy side of this president. >> so then, rev, do you think there is any hope, do you have any hope that this president can bring this country, america, together. is there any way to ignore what he said in the past and count on him to be a uniter in chief. >> on what he said in the past, no. but he had the opportunity here to try to show a different kind of view and behavior and he has not done so. he's already now going back to trying to make the issue between whether it's law and order or anti-eva, whoever they are saying. none of us condone violence or

want to see violence and all of us have engaged in peaceful marching. we've not had in all of the decades if you look at the dealo movement through eric garner, our protests including yesterday were peaceful. there may be other groups that do other things. the issue should not be lost in the violence or the accusations of who is doing it. we need to deal with them but wee need to keep focused on the issue was that a policeman put his knee on a man's neck and kept it there even after he was limp, unresponsive and clearly dying. that is the issue. and whether or not they've been held accountable for what he did and those that stood around and watched, that also police officers and never did anything about it and if we lose that, then we are in effect helping to rob the life and legacy of what happened to floyd all over again. we should not do that to that

family. we should not let them go into the funeral this week with being a side issue to the main issue of what started this in the first place and has been allowed too long. >> i have to tell you about three and a half hours until your show and i can't wait to get in front of the couch and in front of the tv and watch you later today. because you have a lot to say. thank you so much. >> thank you. to another historic milestone in the historic manned spacex mission. we look at the nasa tv where earlier the hatch of the spacex crew dragon capsule was opened. it happened about three hours ago or so with astronauts on board and in just a bit there will be another official welcoming ceremony to celebrate their arrival. the mission launched yesterday amid a lot of fanfare and the last first time they've been

sent to orbit aboard a privately built spacecraft. from california to new york well into the morning hours, over the death of minneapolis man george floyd while being arrested on monday. hundreds gathered in miami. protesters lit a police car on fire. a heavy police presence was deployed in louisville, kentucky, as protesters took to the street with signs there. and the curfew ends at 6:30 tomorrow morning. to columbia, south carolina. protesters there also set fire to a cop car and some made their way to an interstate overpass and blocked traffic. in philadelphia, where we go now, volunteers are working to clean up the remnants from last night so now let's go to kathy park with an update on what the scene is like there today. we see damage behind you and a lot of police officers too at one point. what is going on, kathy? >> reporter: alex, so we made

our way to philadelphia center city and if you know this community, this road here, chestnut, is filled with restaurants, stores, we're right in front of the modal's here and this is our first real look at the extent of the damage and you could see that the protesters, looters made it into the store. i mean, i can probably see all of the way to the end of the store right there and it looks like they just ransacked this store. the glass is just shattered all over. you have hangers all over the ground. no many items left. they're just strewn all over. but this is a scene that is playing out over and over again here on chestnut. we've seen tagging. we've seen vandalism. and we were told that a lot of the anger and the frustration was centered here in this community, especially in this neighborhood. now, overnight, we also was told there was a major fire, a

three-alarm fire at a vans store not too far from where we are and that building would potentially collapse. but i do want to point out something that is remarkable, though. because all around us right now we have seen us the community coming together, organically because they're all coming out with brooms, they have cleaning supplies, they have scrubbing off the vandalism. you have crews out here, just boarding up some of the doors that have been shattered. but this is something that we're seeing over and over again. also something that point out, we have seen a lot of officers, staging, making sure that these buildings, property is guarded. they're preparing for potential unrest later on today. we are hearing reports that there is active vandalism not too far from where we are. so they're definitely mobilizing for the potential for more

agitation and more aggression. hopefully that doesn't happen. but we have noticed a big presence in law enforcement just readying themselves in case something happens, alex. >> i love that you are reflecting what we've saw from steve patterson on the streets of minneapolis where locals are trying to rebuild the damage and get rid of it and clean up that place and it is pretty heartwarming to see folks there in philadelphia as well as minneapolis all wearing masks because they care about each other and about their city. so kathy park, thank you so much for ending it on a positive note on this serious and dreary day. exciting deliberate rum. what the term means and why it could be crucial to the case later. than ever. in response to covid-19, subaru and our retailers are donating fifty million meals

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two days after this protest in boston turned violent. ten people were arrested, four police officers were hurt in the malee. with me the former 2020 presidential candidate and now the co-chair of american bridge that is one of the largest superpacs operating during this election cycle. governor, thank you for being here. it is good to see you. how do you as a governor, how does one balance protecting protesters and the right to free speech and protection with the safety of all residents? >> well, i think it starts, alex, with understanding the separation in those issues. violence in these circumstances and others is tragic. and i understand it is attention-grabbing and deeply worrisome and should be. but the protests are significant

all apart from the violence and those points must not be lost. the real point is about the brutality and the carelessness and the neglect with which black people are treated in america day after day. and the killing mr. floyd in minneapolis is the latest example of that. i appreciate and hope that the focus on modern and more appropriate policing and the reform of that is sustained. but there is a whole other and continuing neglect and violence and brutality in our health care and housing policy, immigration policy across the board and that also needs its time and attention and focus. and i think it is at the bottom of what the marvelous young organizers peacefully are trying to call attention to in cities all across america.

>> well in advance of the tragedy of george floyd, back there march and to your point about this being a day in day out situation, a boston city councillor wants to declare race a public health crisis and how about nationwide? >> i think racism is deeply ingrained in the american tradition and history. and i think it's important for us to understand that it can and must be surmounted. and i say that not just as a an african-american, buts in an american. it is in -- ingrained that we can achieve and must achieve equality and opportunity and fair play. those are our organizing principles. and the bitter irony for so many of us is that that has been a

fleeting rhetorical notion for so many african-americans. the issue i think is even more pronounced today if you will because the feeling of being left out and left back that african-americans have been experiencing for generations, more and more white americans are experiencing as well. and sadly, i think one of the key features of the elections we're facing right now understanding that the election is just a threshold. is that more than the character of the candidates, it is really the character of the country that we're voting on right now. and whether, as we make that change, and i hope very much that we will and i'm working to do so, we will then drive the next administration for action on these and so many fronts that get us to a more just and

prosperous nation for everybody. >> governor, you led the civil rights division during the clinton administration. if you were heading that particular division right now what kind of advice would you give to the department of justice as they investigate the killing of this man? >> well these are always among the hardest of the assignments of the civil rights division and i say that even from the perspective of the time in the division was still in the civil rights business because there is always so much deference to local law enforcement and local oversight. i think this is probably time to be a little less differential and to give a little bit more consensus together with law enforcement as well as community as what modern and effective policing means, moving away from the militarization and the kind

of power play of so much police training and culture today in favor of deescalation, in favor of community policing. there were marvelous suggestions in an op-ed that the chief of police i think from houston published in "the washington post" yesterday or today. we need to be building on those kind of ideas and we need to promote those kind of ideas in police reform across the country. >> yeah. houston being the home town of george floyd. unfortunately i have to wrap this one but i'll look forward to see you again, deval patrick, thank you. lori lightfoot is issuing a mandatory curfew after a series of protests turned violent. the governor activating the illinois national guard and the mayor has this message for vandals. >> violence and destruction that

tarnished the league of pain and justice that peaceful protester sought to express. folks, that not only breaks my heart, and it does, it leaves me angry and frustrated and i know i'm not alone in sharing these feelings. >> ken tibbles is in chicago with a look at the aftermath. here is that. >> it is a very somber day today here in chicago, alex. just behind me you could see that they're boarding up the apple store on michigan avenue. the famed michigan avenue, they call it the mag mile. schoo -- shops looted up and down the street in spite of the fact that the mayor called for a curfew. looting, police cars burned and fights with police, police

beaten on the streets and of course gangs running up and down the streets here looting and smashing stores. setting a lot of police cars on fire. what is now happened here, alex, is the fact that behind us the city has raised all of the bridges. bridges that connect the two halves of the city across the chicago river. you could see this one here over the michigan avenue bridge. there is another one down there, that is state street down there. we're just outside of the wrigley building and there is the trump tower and last night here presence of hundreds of police officers, hundreds of people gathered right in this very spot trying to prevent the protest and of course the mayor here is very angry with the protesters because she said it was supposed to be a peaceful protest and obviously that is not what is taken place. the mayor now said why would anyone plan to come to a peaceful protest carrying a

bowling ball or a hammer or bags of urine to throw at the police. they're closing a number of streets down here today. and they're going to remain closed to protect the businesses in this area. this city is now girding to see whether or not there is going to be another repeat of what took place here last night. alex. >> ken tibbles, i appreciate that. right along the magnificent mile. as the officer faced charges in the death of george floyd, protesters are demanding charges against the other three officers. joining me now analyst and former federal prosecutor, cynthia, welcome. a couple of things i wan to get to. the charges for other officers, do you see that happening and more serious charges happening for derek chauvin? >> i definitely see the other -- the charges coming for the other

officers. what is happening here is all of the officers involved in holding him down and helping for the use of deadly force are all responsible for what happened. so, yes, they definitely should be charged and i predict they will be charged. the question about what level of charge is a more difficult one because of finding the evidence. right now, it what would be helpful is to have a grand jury but in the covid situation we don't have a grand jury working in the normal way. so that is more difficulty than ordinarily. there is a couple of irning things in the complaint that i want to highlight and that is this exciting delirium question. officer lane who was holding mr. floyd says to chauvin, i'm afraid about excited delirium and that means i'm afraid he's going to die. it is we don't know why someone is dying in custody and it is

being labelled something. but it is a shorthand way that lane is selling chauvin, i'm afraid he's going to die. and then chauvin does nothing and continues to keep his knee on his neck. recognize, you may only, only, only use deadly force in a situation where it's necessary to protect yourself or the life of another. mr. floyd is lying on the ground, he's handcuffed behind his back and four cops holding him. there is no need for any force. >> okay. so wait, cynthia. i want to be very clear. i just want to be really clear here. excit exci excited delerium. its no the as if mr. floyd is acting up. the video way saw, never saw him

and he was referring to the fellow officer in a concern that he was experiencing excited delirium. >> no, he is referring -- no. he's referring to something essentially an excuse in police custody cases that the person just got excited because they were involved with the police. and their heart stopped and nobody can explain it. that's what it is. he's saying i'm nervous this guy might die. >> so he's not referring to the actions. >> he gave derek chauvin notice. what did he do? nothing. and what did he do? nothing. i'm sorry. >> okay. so unfortunately we're having such a back and forth. this is such an important discussion. we'll have to talk about it again when we have a better connection. to be clear, i want to make sure i'm not misinterpreting this,

this is all about excited delirium, he is worried about he is going to die because placed on the ground. it is not referring to the behavior of the officer. i just want to make sure. this is something that may have happened to him. he died while being on the ground with a knee on his neck. >> that's correct. >> okay. all right. cynthia, i'm going to leave it there only because we have a very mixed signal here. >> right. that is a warning to him. so he said that to him. okay. there's a lot more to talk about that. thank you so much. we want to go over to a very somber anniversary today as it has been 99 years since the start of the 1921 race massacre in tuls yasha, oklahoma. and that's when white mobs torched an african-american community in real life 300 people and taking away homes and businesses from thousands of affluent african-americans. again, it hand 99 years ago today.

joining me to talk about this is jim goodwin. jim, thank you for joining me, sir. glad to have you talk about this as the publisher of the "oklahoma eagle," a news outlet around since 1921. and your newspaper covered the aftermath of the massacre for almost 100 years. how does this relate directly to what we're seeing across the country today? >> i think probably the most important distinction is that unlike today, it was truly a massacre in 1921. the mob came and invaded the community out of here is jealousy and envy because tulsa really was at least the greenwood area was never to be what was it turned out to be. it's a perfect example of what god intended for evil.

jim crow was designed to suppress and keep at bay black folks. and this mob invaded the area. police officers were deputized, practically 60% of the black community was put into -- in camps and were held there for eight years. so i think the more important thing is unlike today, truly riots are going on. but we have learned as a country that and as a people that you can't really fight hate with hate. the -- we must stand up and the people who are standing up today really don't need to express this in terms of race and in one sense because we saw what happened to mr. floyd. that was just pure evil. when we saw this man die at the hands of the police officer. pure evil. you can evaluate this in terms

of right and wrong. good and evil. i think that's why we have such a multicultural reaction, if you will, multiracial reaction to this tragedy. we are afflicted by extreme brutality oftentimes. it's no the any different than some of the other places. most recently you know about his hands rup and shot in the back. the jury acquitted the police officer. but the jury foreman said although he was acquitted, the jury does not exonerate him. so this is the time really for us to while there is outrage and people are saying enough is enough, it's still a time we cannot resort to lawlessness. greenwood in '21 believed in free enterprise and hard work and education and built itself into a institution as a

community unparalleled in the history of the united states because it was on par with the metropolitan area of new york and other places. and it was just out of shear jealousy. you wonder if mr. floyd did he embody at that time jealousy or envy? was it because he was a police officer? and they are given the license really to do violence. and that is in the scripture. you do violence to no man. and so there are good police officers. but there are people who are not perfect. and when we saw what happened to mr. floyd, it was just -- it just hurts. it pains you. it pains hearts of many americans, black and white. and that's why this united front. you know -- >> jim, i do -- jim, i have such little time. i'm out of time. i do want to guess reiterate what you just said as well.

not all police officers are bad. there are a select few that have behaved very, very poorly with hate in their hearts, clearly. but at this point we just want to make sure that everyone is very clear about your intent and ours here on msnbc. it does not apply to all police officers across this nation. 99 years since that massacre and it seemed today that we're still on the forefront of a fight. jim goodwin, thank you so much, sir. that's going to do it for me this hour. i'm alex witt, everyone. thanks for watching. my colleague is up next. she'll speak with better niece king, the daughter of martin luther king jr. about the legacy of the civil rights movement and nonviolent protest coming your way at the top of the hour. meet jim. for jim, comfort is king. which is why when it comes to his dentures only new poligrip cushion and comfort will do.

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chauvin. good afternoon. we continue to follow breaking news. protests and unrest gripping much of the country. this is a live look at minneapolis. so far today, protests across the country have been peaceful. demonstrators calling for justice after the death of george floyd. there is a large police presence around the capitol there. but it was a different story overnight. dozens american cities big and small fell violent clashes. police using force to disperse crowds and enforce curfews. from chicago to los angeles to detroit and washington, d.c., protesters lit fires and destroyed store fronts. in new york, police struggled to get large crowds off the streets. protesters were seen throwing

items at police. officers arrested more than 350 people overnight. and new video, we warn you this is disturbing, shows an nypd car