national guard presence. demonstrators are calling for racial justice and police reforms after the death of george floyd. this in santa monica, california. proter protesters are marching there. so far the protests have been peaceful but no guarantee they will stay that way. dozens of cities across the country saw violent clashes last night and curfews are in effect starting in a few hours. i want to go first to where all of these protests began in minnesota where we saw a different tone from last night. we saw clashes with police. my colleague is in st. paul. morgan, thank you for your reporting. it's been extraordinary. help us understand what is the difference between what you saw last night and the protests happening right now. >> reporter: the difference is literally night and day. that's really been the case since we arrived in minneapolis earlier this week. these daytime crowds that come

out to peacefully protest do so day in and day out. just to give you a quick picture of the size are you awasurround. we'll give you a picture after several thousands people around the capital. these are the people that have been out in the afternoons, holding vigils at the site of george floyd's death and going through that city marching as well. however, for many of them that i've spoken to, they are feared that the groups that have moved into the city and laid waste to it block by block lighting chose fires and breaking into businesses are taking away from their businesses. i spoke with an african-american gentleman, he said you're a riter rit rioter and or a fprotesters. those are two separate groups. we're hearing from some of the

speakers. you'll see one person after another is coming up. one of the main messages we have heard is the arrest of derek chauvin is a step in right direction but these people feel there's three other officers that have yet to be held accountable for their actions. we know that slahe's charged wi third-degree murder and mms. a lot of people are concerned those charges are not enough for what he did when they see that eight to nine minute video. we do know we are lined by a heavy police presence. state police is here. national guards men are here and that's a change for what we have seen in the days past with that increased footprint. the increased very visible presence that made itself incredibly apparent last night when the 8:00 p.m. curfew was

enforced. we'll see as night comes today if it will be enforced yet again. >> thank you. please, stay safe where you are. i want to take you now to louisville, kentucky where a curfew is in effect tonight as we saw protesters clash there with police and pepper pellets were spraying the clouds that gathered on the street. the national guard was called in. cal, another curfew taking effect. any chance that will stop the protest? it didn't last night. >> reporter: we've had some peaceful protests behind me at black lives matter protest. they are calling it healing moment here. the question is you're staging here is what's going to happen tonight during curfew time. last night about an hour before curfew we saw police moving fast. they came in heavy. they used nonlethal round. there were a number of injuries. the mayor said 40 people were arrested. there was a number of fires was

set a rn the city and probably most disturbingly five police officers were targeted by gunfire last night. gunfire hitting one cruiser. that has people on edge. you look at the racial history of the city. you look even recently at what's happened, for example, an african-american emt, 26-year-old in her apartment in mildi the middle of night. a cop shoot her eight times. it's an open carry state. you look at some the white malitia groups that we have seen on the outer edges and all the ingredients are there for violence. that's why authorities say they will be clearing the streets and will be forceful in doing so. we expect more tear gas, more rubber bullets and we expect to see similar scenes. who will come to the curfew what's it's a curfew. will it be the people behind me or other folks looking to start

trouble. we saw that night before on thursday night. that's the night that 7 people were shot. that's a city on edge like two dozen other cities across the country. >> that's my question. the people who are standing behind you, the peaceful protesters. when you speak to them, are they planning on being there tonight? >> reporter: no. they weren't there last night. at around 8:15, the voices and the faces that we have seen consistently, peacefully protesting in front of police went home. it was folks antagonizing police, throwing bottles. it doesn't deadly violence but you can see how it can quickly escalate. you can see why police needed forcefully come through that park. that caused injuries and then there as gunfire later in the night. you can see how it escalates. the folks behind me two home and they have in the past few days. st the other element, folks who are looking to do damage to businesses and antagonize the police. >> thank you. i want to head to chicago where

the national guard has been called in after they saw a night with violence and looting across the city and all police days off have been cancelled. the mayor got very emotional talking about what's happening in her city. >> violence and destruction that tarnishes the legacy and the moral credibility of pain and justice that peaceful protesters sought to express. folks, that not only breaks my heart, and it does, it leaves me angry and frustrated. i know i'm not alone in sharing these feelings. >> kate from our nbc affiliate, wmaq is live in chicago. you're not on assignment. this is your town. what's going on there and what do you expect tonight? >> reporter: it's hard to say but chicago police are already bracing for whatever does

happen. they are in groups like this at intersections throughout the city bracing for whatever is coming next. there are actions being taken already to prevent more violence, looting. bridges are up. roads into the central business sdri district are closed. all are hopes things remain peaceful. we have been warned that won't happen. we watched a brief confrontation with police. a few men said it won't be peaceful until police are peaceful. they said george floyd's death has been lost in this looting and in this violence and this does not represent the message those peaceful protesters were trying to send. we are on michigan avenue. it's a high end shopping district and there were fires in store fronts last night. windows broken and in broad daylight today our crews have watched people, brazen thieves walk in and out of these

businesses with merchandise. going in and stealing things. that message has been lost for some but not for all. we are hearing messages that there are already people protesting as far south as our suburbs at malls. police there have sent out alerts to residents warning them to stay inside and be mindful of protests happening at area malls and shopping centers. we do know there were 240 people arrested yesterday. six people shot in nearly two dozen officers hurt. again, all are hopeful that doesn't happen here in chicago. a curfew goes into play at 9:00 p.m. until 6:00 tomorrow morning. stephanie. >> think about all of those retailers now sweeping up glass. remember, we are in nidthe midd of a pandemic. retail, small business have been crushed over the last ten weeks and now they are facing another blow. mpb let's take you west to san francisco. the national guard is on standby

hoping to deter more protests from happening today. this is your hometown. this is you live. how are people will preparing for maybe more unrest tonight? >> reporter: right now at the base of the tribune power. this was, is the tribune tavern. it's a local watering hole. last night it was smashed up. now a team of volunteers are repainting in white in an effort to wind up making murals to try to beautify it. we're daying daytime protests and daytime politics and the nighttime when people come out of the wood work and bring a whole different vibe. you see people destroying property, vandalizing whatever they can, destroying parts of

the frustrate that has worked so hard to create. new bus stops went in just after the lockdown began. we saw over the weekend that those bus stops had gotten destroyed. there's this feeling of people coming out, the community coming out to rebuild during the day but at night it's sort of anyone's guess what will happen. on friday night when were out here covering protests, around 30 police officers and first respopdsers were injured. it's not clear yet how much private citizens may have been hurt but it's very calm and peaceful just as i know it, as resident of oakland during the day but at night is when everything is changed. >> just think about that. what jacob just said. you have bus stops that were just put up after covid to keep people safe and already they have been destroyed. our cities and states are already facing so much economic hardship because of the pandemic and now look where they are. i want you to dig into this for

us. we keep hearing about bad actors and extremists. maybe those people who come out at night, using protests as a cover for just anarchy. what do you know in. >> reporter: it's a really important but subtle distinction to draw in your mind between what's called antifa, anti-facism. that's politics and then the tactics that are referred to as the black block tactics. we took this photograph as we were walking to friday night's protest. you can see this gentleman has a sledge hammer. he's ready to go. he is wearing steel toed boots. he's not just there to speak his mind. he's equipped to destroy property. we definitely saw it. i cannot speak for any national

sense of this but we saw a certain, very small subset of people trying to lead the crowd in a more angry form of chanting. a lot more profanity. a lot more raw anger in there. i saw one gentleman begin to spray paint f the police onto a bus stop and tried to hand it off, the spray can to somebody else who had been cheering him on. that second person said, no thank you. i'm not interested in that. you get this feeling there's a certain subset of people who subscribe to these black block tactics and may or may not be antifacist but they are trying to whip people up into a more energetic form of protest. i think we're seeing that but the difficult with having some sort of national identification of this is those groups do not consider themselves a group, an

organization. there's no initiation. >> thank you so much. now let's head to philadelphia. the images of the city of brotherly love are heartbreaking. tell me what's going on there. >> reporter: this is one scene. this is ann taylor loft here. you can see that looters smashed the store front. we have seen store after store just ransacked.

athletic stores that were completely empty of any items. i want to point out the community, shortly after we got here, came together, very quickly. it was called bring your own broom. they all brought cleaning supplies, their brooms. they wiped off the grafitti, the tagging,vandalism. they wanted to reclaim their city. in just a short amount of time we have noticed a lot of these businesses that have been boarded up so the mayor has locked down this portion of the city. we have been talking around. none of these businesses are open right now. they are preparing for what could be a very long and tense night. we have also seen officers with riot gear. we have seen them on bikes. they continue to monitor the situation. based on where we are, it's been relatively peacef fuful but we seen of reports and hard of reports of things getting pretty ugly in about 15 minutes away in

the area of kensington. people are looting in that part of philadelphia. for most part we rr at city hall where they had large gathering s, about 1,000 people. it was calm and peaceful demonstration for george floyd. that seems to be what we have seen throughout the day. these things can quickly turn but hopefully that's not the case tonight. steph. >> thank you so much. just think about that. bring your own broom. people bringing their own cleaning supplies at a time when cleaning supplies are trading at a premium because of all the stuff every one has had to do to prepare for the reopening. so many restaurant ws was preparing to have outside dining this weekend. none of that is happening. the city of miami wants people off street by 8:00 p.m.

protests grew violent last night. miami's republican mayor joins me now. thank you for joining me. i realize what a busy time this is for you. miami had a 10:00 p.m. curfew on saturday night. why did you decide to make it earlier? >> because it gets dark at about 8:07. it was dark at 8:07 last night. we want to make sure every one is home before dark. as you've seen, we see two different kinds of crowds. one during the day which is a crowd of protesters that are peacefully protesting against this horrible injustice that ko occurred many minneapolis. you see another crowd that's come equipped. they have backpacks on and equipment to destroy and vandalize that we want to make sure we can allow the peaceful protesters to protest peacefully. it's shocked the conscious of our country and we want to

differ differentiate those who may want to stop them. >> who are those protesters? what do you know about them? >> we know they are not miami miamians. we arrested 53 people. 13 of them only lived in miami. we see their movements are coordinated. we know they are equipped. i saw people with backpacks that had batons and this is not things they picked up off street. these are things they clearly had with them. sledge hammers that they used to destroy cars, such as the ones you displayed earlier. obviously, they had incendiary materials to set cars on fire.

these are people coming here to create confrontations with police officers or to destroy property. >> there's so much anger in your city and across the country this weekend. what would you like to say to those who are demonstrating? >> i'd say their anger justified. i'd say what we're trying to do is reform the way our officers treat african-americans in our country. that's something we should be focusing on. what we have done in the city of miami over the years is first when i was a commissioner, we had to fire a police chief when there were 7 police officer involved shootings of african-americans in one year. we empower our systems to provide oversight over our officers. we have to create a culture where not only is it unacceptable to do what that officer did dh wwhich was murde

american incident and defenseless but the other officers who were in the surrounding area should also be brought to justice. they didn't do what think should have done which is stop it from happening. until we get there, these incidents are going to continue to happen and people will continue to express their frustrations. >> all of this is happening amid a pandemic. your city is just beginning to reopen. are you worried about these crowds coming and it could cause a spike in coronavirus cases? >> of course especially when you consider the fact that to disperse the crowds we're using tear gas which makes people cough and sneeze. many of the protesters are not using masks. these are small businesses that are just getting on their feet. when you have people lootsing, that are destroying businesses,

they are not honoring the life of george floyd. they are disrespecting and falling into the same practice which is to let hate drive the decisions instead of love and brotherhood and sisterhood which is what we should all be trying to do. >> good luck to your city tonight. be safe. we turn now to live pictures from boston where we are continuing to monitor the protest from coast to coast. we'll take you to washington, d.c. as the white house plans to designate antifa as a terror organization. what does that even mean? how about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.

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back with our breaking news in washington, d.c. where there is no curfew this evening despite a very tense night that

saw fires and flares between police and protesters. there's new reaction from the white house to these growing protests. political reporter monica alba is there for us. what can you tell us? >> reporter: some news from the president indicating a willingness to designate antifa a terrorist organization but it should be noted there's no legal authority for that to take place. american groups as a whole cannot be designated as such. there are statutes that would allow for domestic terrorism to be charged in that by sis. questions at the white house bp we have reached out about what the president meeans. he has taken on this extremist group for the better part of a year. he's tweeted this has been under consideration since last summer but he's taken new focus. i can hear beyond from the white house gates that peaceful protesters that have already

gathered this afternoon chanting things like black lives matter, hey x hey, donald trump has got to go and i can't breathe. all of that with the president here in the white house firing off tweets about antifa and also taking aim at democrats. trying to place the blame for some of the unrest in places like minneapolis. he's just tweeted about philadelphia and somehow saying it's the fault of the elected officials but only really saying ta the blame lies with those who are democrats which is significant. i believe as he is taking on antifa, the president has just elevated something that comes from another extremist group. as he's trying to take on one p, he seems to be amplifying another. he didn't have any events open to the cameras. the white house said he wasn't going to be making any statements. questions remain about whether he will address the nation and more of the national unrest beyond what he's just tweeting

here. >> okay. donald trump has got to go is far cry from antifa and what they represent. is the president differentiating between the two and putting all protests in the same bucket. those seem very peaceful. >> reporter: it's pats earn we have seen over the last couple of days where large crowds form during the daytime. keeping things mostly peaceful and nightfalls is when we have seen things escalate. that's when you see the clashes that resulted in about 60 secret service officers with injuries this entire weekend, so far. the president has said that he stands with the peaceful protesters. the white house and administration officials on the sunday shows have made that point. the president is focusing most of his attention on the violent extremists and seems to be

blaming all of this on them without saying there's many, many other people who are trying to send a very different, very peaceful message. >> kmomonica, thank you. i want to bring in an expert on all of this. frank, when i knew i'd be sitting in this chair today, you were the first person i wanted to speak with. help us understand what all of this means. the president calling out antifa. even bill barr saying their activity would be considered terrorist attacks. >> so people who watch us frequently know that following the el paso walmart shooting, i came out and wrote and spoke extensively on the need for law enforcement to have extra tools in the tool box with regard to domestic terrorism. we also know that the current fbi director, christopher wrey being on the record saying race

based hate groups now pose an equal threat to that posed by al qaeda and isis. what has the president decided to do in a single tweet today? he's decided to single out one group antifa that happened to be opposed to him as a domestic terrorism organization. there's a couple of problems with this. one, antifa is not an organized, centralized organization. there's no antifa headquarters. there is no president or hierarchy as you would see in isis or al qaeda or any other foreign based terrorist organization. number two, they are so loosely based and so diverse in their beliefs from global anarchy to simple anti-trump to supporting black lives matter that you cannot isolate a single body of political or ideological beliefs here. i'm concerned that if we're not

careful, this is one small step away from the president of the united states designating his political opponents as enemies of the state, as terrorists. think about the repercussions of this. people may say what would such a designation look like. there is no domestic terrorism law on the books in the united states. let's deal with that first. number two, there is no approved procedure by which you could designate a do plmestic terrori group just like there is for foreign terrorist organizations. we are a huge step away from figuring out how to do this. >> if there's no designation for domestic terrorist groups, what would the point of this be on the part of the president or bill barr? >> i think whab the president wants to jump start is some

ability, perhaps even some executive order to designate a single group against any absence of evidence that the single group is actually responsible for all of this. again, there is no single group. there's no sfralized organization here. i have strong evidence from my law enforcement sources the contrary, right wing groups and white issue prisupremist groups boogaloo boys are responsible for much of the violence. we need to demand evidence. when the president says the folks i don't like, the folks that don't like me, i'm going to call them terrorists. what will the purpose be? enable federal law enforcement, imagine this to have increased investigative techniques under cover, online monitoring of discussions activities. all of that infiltratitration o groups. the president and attorney general decide we don't like

these people. these people could hurt us. we don't do that for any other organization. if you got favorite football team and they win the national championship and people travel to a city and trash it. we have seen this happen after national sports championships. we don't call everyone who likes that team or its national fan clubs a terrorism organizations. we arrest those people for the violence they caused in a particular city but we don't designate all of those sports fans terrorists. >> wow. i do want to can you about what senator marco rubio has been tweeting about today saying much or part of this is coming from foreign adversaries. >> right. we are beginning to see early indic indicators, i'm not prepared to say this is proof. we are seeing social media activity designed to incite and

have people show up at the same place at the same time that oppose each other and it's being posted by the same folks. we need further investigation of this. back in march, the u.s. state department issued a warning that russia, russia was actually attempting to instigate race based division and chaos in our society. that's a u.s. state department report back in march. it was reported on by the new york times. our own government has said, russia is trying to divide us along racial lines. now we're seeing the early signs of social media that something is inciting opposing sides to show up at the same time. i'm very concerned we're not talk about that from the white house. we're talking about a an organization that doesn't like the president. >> frank, thank you so much for joining us. a very complicated topic. a very serious day. you made us smarter. i appreciate it.

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i don't think there's systemic racism. i think 99.9% of our law enforcement are great americans. there's some bad apples in there. there are some bad cops that are racist. >> that was national security adviser this morning denying that systemic racism exists within the police force but rather it's just a few bad apples. this comes as protesters across the country continue to demand

justice for the death of george floyd who died while in minneapolis police custody. this is what it looks like right now. this is happening across the country. i want to talk about it. the author of white fragility. why it's so hard for white people to talk about racism and the president of color of change and msnbc political analyst. she's a senior director of progressive programming for sirius xm and the author of end of white politics. how to heal our liberal divide. robin, systemic racism is a problem we know that exists across the country. why is it so hard for our national security adviser to not just acknowledge this? >> well, we use the term systemic racism and most white people don't understand what that term means.

we have been taught to think about racism or racist acts to individual acts of intentional and conscious meanness. i don't know you could come up with a more protective way to protect the system from the system. it exempts white people from the society we live in and shaped by and benefit from. systemic racism is the norm. it's not an aberration. we're not taught to understand it. you can get a graduate degree in the country without ever discussing systemic racism. that makes us highly susceptible to looking at scenes like we're seeing and having no capacity to think critically about that. most white americans cannot answer the question what does it mean to be white. if we can't tell you what it means to be white, we cannot hold what it means to not be

white. we'll have no critical thinking or awareness. we'll have no emotional capacity to withstand the comfort of that examination and we're going to be highly defensive at any suggestion that systemic racism exists and we're all part of it and we all are impacted by it and if you're white, we all benefit from it. it's a liberating premise once you accept that, you can get to work trying to identify all right, how is that manifesting in my life. that socialization into this system rather than the continual defensiveness and denial and n minimumizati minimumization. >> if we don't acknowledge it, how do we grow from it? for all of those people out there demonstrating protesting, when you hear one of the highest level federal officials in our government deny the problem that they are out there protesting, how do all of those people feel?

>> yeah, this is exactly the problem. this is how we end up with either false solutions or not solutions at all. i've sat in meetings at the white house where members of the fraternal order of police have looked us dead many the eye and said all this talk of racial profiling is new to them. we can't get to real change if people won't think about and recognize the structures. robin's point was clear. i want people to understand that how this actually plays itself out. when we think about racism and individual actions instead of structures. we end up getting people thinking we can can solve our problems with charitable solutions to structural problems. thinking we can sent send water bottles to flint instead of cleaning up the pipes. we can do service days at inner city schools in changing public education. this is how the system protects itself. if we don't see it as systemic then we don't have to change undue systems and don't have to

deal with the ways that make up us have to solve problem. it allows corporations take on our fights and stories and songs. to place things on instagram while still supporting politicians that put us in harms way. it allows a company like facebook to say black lives matter but do nothing about the post that donald trump puts down and puts us in harms way on the ground every single day. all of this is what happens when we mistake presence for power. visibility and awareness, retweets, shout outs from the stage instead of power which is the ability to change the rules and that is what has to happen. if you worked a t a corporation or business that is speaking out now, let's go deeper and make sure they are dealing with the rules, the way they engage in dmunts. big corporations could get police officers to act differently because they hold theagenda.

we can no longer accept people putting their arms around us and saying they care or with us if they're not willing to change the rules to hurt us. covid-19 and the government response is killing us. if you want to be part of it, you have to change the rules. >> can we go deeper? can we expect any sort of change when you've got an administration that already straight out of the gate is blaming antifa for all the destruction when we know that's not the case? >> i don't think you can do deeper when you have this president in charge. we do have an election coming up and it's really, really important not just in this particular moment as i see images of people very close together and some of them without masks, we have to remember that all of this is happening in the middle of a global pandemic. up with of the things that was touched on that's important to understand is the same system that resulted in a disproportionate impact on black

and brown people dying from covid-19 is the same system that's allowed three of the four police officers who murdered a man at home on camera be at home chilling today. that's what we're talking about. we're asking when the protesters will go inside and go back to that are lives. perhaps it will begin when there is some form of accountability beyond just arresting the man that had the knee on the neck but arresting the people that represent the system that allowed that man to dekeep his b after committing brutal acts against other black and brown people previously. i think, no, with this president in charge, change is almost impossible. one of the things we have in this country is democracy. is the idea that the people are the power with the potential to create change. i hope we're able to do that in november. >> thank you all so much. also, really important to

remember, tear gas is being used out there. we are in the middle of pandemic. what does it do? it makes people cough. it makes them cry. coronavirus is spread through respiratory droplets. please be safe out there. we're in the middle of a pandemic. as the anger is raging across america, more people are speaking out and standing up. one of them, a democratic nominee, joe biden. released statement saying protesting such brutality is right an necessary. it's an utterly american response. but burning down communities and needless destruction is not. violence that endangers lives is not. joining me now is the senior white house adviser -- senior adviser with the biden campaign. thank you so much for joining me. first, tell me how the vice president is feeling as he is watching our country, right now, all of these violent, all this violence night after night.

>> the vice president, just like the rest of america, has seen the unrest. he's seen the videos of these p uprising and protests in the street. today he has spent his time on the phone with mayors who are on the front lines of dealing with this unrest in their cities. he has spoken to mayor carter from st. paul and those conversations have actually sparked him to feel the need to go out and walk the streets of delaware which is where i believe the vice president doing right now to see the unrest that happened in his own backyard not couple of miles away from where he lives. that's what the vice president is doing now. there's no press with us because it was a spur of the moment act but i think his statement, frankly, is the leadership that the white house is unable to exhibit and in this moment, we

have to understand the pain that folks across this country are feeling. we have to understand and not just from the viral videos of the horrific killing of ahmaud arbery and george floyd and breonna taylor. we have reached over 100,000 dooe deaths due to the coronavirus. had the united states government acted sooner, maybe 36,000 lives could have been spared. this is devastation that's gripped nation. joe biden is the most everyom pathetic person i know. he will continue to speak out. >> do you think he's going to address the nation? a lot of people are calling for some sort of presidential address from the white house and it doesn't seem to be we're going to get that tonight. do you think v.p. biden will speak to us?

>> well, stephanie, right now vice president biden is out on the streets talking with folks, listening to people in w wilmington. perhaps you will hear from him today. i don't have anything new to update you on. this is top of the mind for him which is why he spent his time talking to mayors who have been dealing with this issue. >> what's his message right now to the country? you mentions the hundred thousands deaths. you mentioned the unrest because of george floyd's death. we also have 40 million people on unemployment. over 100,000 small businesses have closed and look around, we are likely going to see more given the impact in the last week. what's his message to the country? >> i'm going to read from the

last line of vice president biden's statement that he released last night. he said that we are a nation in pain but we must not allow this pain to destroy us. we are a nation in úfwzfw

pick. does we see more pressure on the campaign to pick a person of color? >> well, stephanie, as we have said before, there's a process in place. we have a vice presidential nominating vetting committee that is being put together. they are going through the process. p)xpp!qñ

and speaking. >> racism is not on the rise. thank you so much for joining me. i want to bring in former secretary of housing and urban development under president obama leann castro. what do you have to say to the

protesters that have taken to the streets this? >> i would say that your pain is understandable. your exhaustion is understandable. you can draw a straight line from 1965 through rod knee king in 1992 to michael brown in ferguson in 2014 to what we saw a week ago with george floyd. these are issues that have been with this country for so long. and they are more than issues that are even captured on video or that we see in these kind of poignant and powerful events. these are issues that especially young plan men have to deal with every single day. every time that they encount era police officer coming their way on the street, every time they see one in their become mirror, every time that they are stopped, these are issues that

have been festering and not getting better. so i would say that we understand the desperation and the exhaustion. what i would say, this is important or even more important maybe, to the elected officials out there whether you're a mayor or state representative or in congress, is that the calls for justice are good and necessary, but really what we need now are specific policy proposals and actions on those policy proposals. because those policy is proposals are out there. we made a whole series of them during our presidential campaign for police reform. we know what would improve this situation. do we have the political will to get it done? that's the question. >> you don't want the anger people are feeling to turn to anarchy. you want to be a able to convert at least some of it to votes. i just want to share what john lewis wrote. return burning is not the way. organized demonstrations, be

constructive, not destructive. >> us i absolutely agree. john lewis -- let me take after that. there was a time when we thought that just electing the right people or electing more people of color the city councils or state legislatures or the congress would make the biggest difference. but it really is what happens after that. do those elected officials have the courage to take on the police unions and city hall. to change police contracts. to change use of force policies. do they have the courage in congress to stand up for a national use of force standard. will they stand up to demilitarize the police in our country. rattle the important part is what happens once you change the

people in power who are sensitive to these issues. so if i were a citizen out there, i would be pushing your city council member, your state legislator, to make those specific policy proposals. >> then you got to just keep pushing. thank you for joining me this breaking news hour. thank you for having me. i'll see you back here tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. on the other sides of the break, the reverend al sharpton takes over coverage. than even the leading multi-benefit toothpaste. crest. from anyone else. so why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms which most pills don't. get all-in-one allergy relief for 24 hours, with flonase.

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