hello. i'm ari melbourne. we have fallout and the developments from the george floyd case. we've just heard here in our coverage from the governor of minnesota confirming this curfew will be in effect again tonight. overnight, there were many peaceful and political protests

that featured violence. this is now the sixth straight night we've seen this in america. we can report now 45 million additional americans have been under a separate set of curfews for these different reasons. in addition to that, governors have called in the national guard. this is really hitting everywhere across the nation from the coast to the middle of the country to the south. this hour, george employed's brother is holding a prayer vigil at the site of his you death. i will be joined by katie turr live in lower manhattan, new york. katie, what are you seeing

there? >> in lower manhattan specifically, you drive around these streets and so many businesses look exactly like this. i was on the air last night and while there were protesters marching down the manhattan bridge, they were largely peaceful. the nypd says they don't believe this is the work of the general protesters. they believe these are anarchist groups using encrypted applications to message each other and work in coordination to smash large chain stores. what you're seeing now here this morning is many of the businesses that didn't already have boards up, didn't already have plywood up protecting their stores, they're doing that today in order to protect against what might happen tonight.

but you can walk down every street in this neighborhood, broadway, mercer street, and you will see cleanup crews just like these guys here cleaning up the glass, cleaning up the doors inside and it is a hard thing to see in this city and not something that many of us who have lived here for decades or most of their lives have seen up and down these streets, cleanup crews trying to fix the mess that was left last night. you're seeing a lot of people walk around and trying to take in the damage. there are police officers peppered all around here watching as people take it in. it is peaceful here today. there are not protests around here. but everybody is on edge and they are nervous about what might happen later. will there be a seventh night of protests? and potentially a seventh night

of violence in streets across america, including here in new york city, ari. >> thank you, katie. appreciate you walking us through that. the nuance and understanding what you're hearing from authorities in new york. what you're looking at right now is some of what we were seeing in washington, d.c. some of this happening right near the white house. this is three nights of what many were calling relentless and at times dangerous protests. the washington area will have a curfew tonight. what you see here were the fires, sometimes violence, the looting, teargas used by authorities. this is a situation that we are not always accustom to seeing in our nation's capital. joining us now is garrett haik.

you were caught up in some of that. walk us through what you've been through and what you're seeing today. >> well, ari, yesterday, the second day of day-long protests in washington i was outside and there was a lot of raw emotion and a lot of anger. that was the idea. it was only after things went dark that things got chaotic. that has the curfew in effect

around 11:00 last night, we saw what was most of the legitimate protesters going home and the folks who had been waiting for their opportunity to skirmish with police to take it. so we saw across the city more fires being lit, more confrontations with police and dozens more arrests than we saw the first day. the first night of protests, only 7 arrests were made by mpd. that's the district local police force. last night, more than 80 for felony rioting. lots of folks out cleaning up their streets. we're seeing d.c. public works out blasting graffiti off businesses and monuments. tonight nobody really knows what to expect. i brought both a blazer and a gas mask to work.

the mayor has senainstituted a earlier curfew, 7:00. there is not much glass left to smash down 450er. and, garrett, briefly, because we are still in this pandemic time, how does it feel to you given what you've been reporting to be there in the middle of the day on a monday in contrast to what was this rough weekend that got worse over the course of the weekend? >> it's surreal. d.c. has been one of the most shut down bought of the stay-at-home orders. you had essentially one day in d.c. where things started to feel like they were getting back to normal before the large scale

protests resumed on saturday. i have tried to be pretty aggressive about my social distancing until i was surrounded by thousands of strangers both saturday and sunday. going from empty city streets and social distancing to packed city streets and thousands of people out was incredible whiplash. and today we're somewhere in the middle ground here between the two this city was trying to get out from under one mess and now it finds itself in the middle of another. glad you are safe currently. we'll be coming back, you and a ul of our reporters. we turn back to minneapolis. george floyd's brother is expected to hold a prayer vigil at the site of that infamous arrest and killing.

276 people were arrested in protests last night. that's according to minnesota police. and joining us is shaquille brewster live at the site of this vigil. shaquille. >> ari, what you're seeing right now is applause. the group -- and i'll let you take a look around. it's a very diverse group. you have young, old, black, white, people here to honor the memory of george floyd. and what just happened and why they're applauding right now is because just a couple of minutes ago, they did nine minutes of prayer, nine minutes symbolizing the amount of time the officer had his neck on george floyd. now you see them getting up. and people went around the circle giving prayers. people were crying, giving tears. what we're expecting to see from the brother of george floyd, terrence floyd, he's going to come with flowers. there's hundreds of thousands of flowers here in multiple locations. he's going to lay flowers, participate in prayer.

we've seen so many images from minneapolis of that violence, this is not one of the locations where we've seen clashes with police. this has always been considered somewhat of a sakes are ground for people, the spot where george floyd was killed one week ago today. we will know in terms of the prosecution of derek chauvin, we know state prosecutors, the attorney general has taken up the case and is now going to be prosecuting that. he said this morning in an interview on a radio show, he said he is going to be -- he's looking at prosecuting the other officers, as well, but that he's going to take his time investigating, doing this in a slow and methodical way. it was a couple of days ago where he said he couldn't see the other officers involved in the death of george floyd facing some sort of charges.

that is what we're seeing here at the scene. a very diverse group of people. that stuck out with me snanly coming to the scene. just people here honoring the memory of in employed. >> and joining us now is the eldest son of dr. martin luther king jr. martin luther king iii. mr. king, it is so good to see you. i'm sorry we're talking under such trying circumstances. but what we're seeing around the country, we might think that this is a moment like no other in american history, protests erupting and more than a hundred cities in this nation. we would be wrong about that. and this happened in the 1960s

after the death of your father. if you can, just tell us what do you make of what is happening right now and what do you hope happens after this? >> i first must say my condollance as the nation and the world send the floyd family, george floyd's family. i think where we are is that we are reaching into the depths of our souls to find solutions. people want immediate change. this has been a process that is far too long happening. maybe the nation's ears galvanized for the first time in recent history, perhaps there will be some level of relief as it relates to police misconduct and violence and in this tragic

incident. >> we're having some trouble with mr. king's shot. i think we're getting him back right now. i'm sorry. go ahead. >> obviously, our nation has to reconcile. but these protests, to see so many people of different ethnic persuasions coming together to protest and say enough is enough, obviously none of us will ever condone violence but this is such a complicated situation that some immediate action needs to take place. a president that speaks in a

unifying way. we have not heard anything from the white house except for tweets that sound destructive as opposed to creative and talking about the best of who we can become. we're not seeing the best of who we ought to be at the top and unfortunately at the bottom we're seeing some of the worst things happen. but these are reactions to how people have been treated, specifically black people. and i think america is saying enough is enough. these institutions must change and must change wright away. >> you know, america has been saying that now and black americans have been saying this now for decades, for hundreds of years. hundreds of years of murder, of systemic racism and oppression. and there are many people who are unwillingly justified to wait any longer.

i know you are a huge proponent of voting rights. tell me about the things that can happen now or in the next election cycle that can bring more immediate change that would be necessary to make sure that this sort of thing is a thing of the past and not of the future. >> they have to organize, have to register and have got to vote. we're having an election here in a few days in georgia. we've talked about forp years trying to get people to vote. 2018, we saw more younger people voting in the election cycle that changed congress, not the senate. this time, the senate has to be changed. even in congress, there's legislation that hank johnson has proposed in dekalb county in georgia that would provide

legislation on the books. therefore, we have to participate, mobilize, organize. there is not enough mobilizing and organizing and registering to vote that we can do. we as a nation around voting are 138 or '9out of 160 democracies. we should be number one in the world in terms of voting every time there's an election. not 138. that has to change. as soon as the state of minnesota charge the other three officers, that is not the final answer because obviously they -- his shot has now frozen one more time. but i think the point cease making is an important one to make. use your voice out on the

streets, yes, but also xwroo your voice at the ballot box where you can really affect change. martin luther king iii, thank you for your time and ari, i'm going to sent it back to you in los angeles. >> we're dealing with doing a lot of this remotely. we thank everyone for bearing with us. what you're looking at now as our coverage continues is the situation on the ground in los angeles. another place where the national guard has been mobilized in place. this is a focal point. we will bring you the newest and latest from l.a. when withco back. latest from l.a. when withco back i don't keep track of regrets and i don't add up the years,

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and the national guard has been deployed to los angeles for the first time since the l.a. riots in 1992. last night, officials declared a temperature kur few for los angeles county after reports of looting in places like santa monica. more than 400 people were arrested last night and 95% were, quote, tunists who were

not from the city. erin, as somebody who grew up in that town and experienced the rye yosts, it's not something i wanted to see again in my lifetime. what is it like there today and how do protesters feel about that -- that element coopting their message? >> hey, katie, you'll be shocked to see the damage here in santa monica. this is jack's jewelry store. protesters crashed through the entrance. you can see the display cases smashed. next door is a sake house. it torched the praise,

completely turning over tables. you can see the phone thfoam th firefighters used to put out the fire. this is a sample of the chaos. over 400 people were arrested here yesterday into the evening. that is a potentially significant number, especially when you consider the number arrested in downtown los angeles on friday. there was rioting friday into saturday, over 530 people were arrested and law enforcement tells us of those 530 people, over 500 were released on california's no bail order, an order put into place in order to stop prison overcrowding, lower level felonies on down. so the question being how many

people were reoffenders? that is something law enforcement is extremely concerned about going forward. >> thank you very much for joining us and ari, i'm going to sent it back to you. i grew up on those streets right there and seeing those buildings smashed, it is a gut punch. >> and for scenes around the entire country, for some, it may be washington and for some in the states where it's happening on the map, this is clearly a very national and thoroughly american experience at this point. and the one being what does everyone want to do about it. we're in kansas city cleaning up

after the protests, at one point they were using teargas to break up the crowd. that is not the only thing that happened. there was not ohm hostility, but here is a moment of a kansas city protesters hugging a police officer. this is a moment now that has kal began sized many in that communities. we are now joined by the mayor of kansas city. clinton lucas. we were law school classmates and friends. this is the first time i've interviewed you on air. how are you? >> i'm doing already, ari. it's good to see you again. i wish these were better times

in our country. we need to make sure we remember the life. >> as a point of experience, i've known you for a long time and i know you have been deeply committed to working on civil rights and representation for a long time. here you are as a mayor in this situation. i was just reading up where i said you're trying to do everything he can. you said, quote, i'm a black american in america so i understand a lot of this, too. walk us through how you're approaching this with all of the different ways you look at the challenge. >> it's actually br more difbt than anything i've dealt with in

politics. when i saw the video out of minneapolis, it brought back so many memories. it break back a memory from when i was a kid, not understanding how every incident after that, we're seeing the same thing. that is frustrating to so many people. but the problem i have as a mayor, and particularly a plaque mayor, is how do we make sure we can keep rd so this doesn't become a sort of thing that is a moment that is lost like the los angeles riots. instead it's something we say yeah, black lives does matter and we're going to get all this

energy and aggression and make a change so that yuck me from '92 isn't sitting up 28 years from now and saying, we've made all this progress in america, how is it still the same that a black man or woman isn't just concerned about violent crime, but they're also concerned about policing. >> you have officers in the hospital here. he asked every officer who worked this protest if they've had hit by a projectile, and he said every single one said they've been quote assaulted in some way. how do you navigate that given what you just said. obviously crime, violence, assault is wrong. you're a mayor and an attorney to boot. but obviously, many of the

people in those crowds feel like they are reacting to what they've been through. >> what i would say first of all is thank you to the many of our officers in kansas city who worked long hours yesterday, all weekend, to make sure people had a right to protest and a right to speak. but i think what i would say is you cannot let in the same way officers ask us to not skr one distort our view of the whole, we know yesterday there were thousands that came out to make themselves heard, to try and share a message that needs to be amplified. we know in my city, there were a few hundred fools in the end who

wanted to burn cars and loot. that is not what this message is about. all police chiefs should understand that the message is we want to have a closer relationship, we want accountability, we want that connection in our communities and all of us abdomhore some ofe vant limp and looting we've seen around the country. >> mayor, good to see you, sir. up next, we go from donald trump's inflammatory rhetoric to the lack of any address from the leader of the united states during this time. like many other things right now, this is unusual. many question whether it should be normalized in any historic situation we've seen like this. you're watching msnbc. this you're watching msnbc.

. this afternoon, the president had a call with ask governo governors where he blamed the protests on media. this morning, the president criticized governors response to protests saying most of you are

weak. joining us now from the white house is shannon pettypiece. shannon, tell us what you can about this call. >> people on the call have described this to us as the president ranting. one person said he was loading it. and his bigger theme was to tell the governors they need to use stronger law enforcement tractic toes crack down on these protesters, calling them weak, calling them fools saying if they did not dominate these protesters they would look like jerks. at one point, he told the governors, you have to track people, put them in jail for ten years and you'll never see this stuff again. this fits in with a bigger pattern we have been been seeing and hearing from the president. i talked over the weekend to

white house officials. their message coming from the president is what it's going to take is stronger police tactics, the national guard, tough law and order talk to end these protests, not addressing the underlying issues of racism and police brutality and socioeconomic issues that a lot of protesters are talking about. there are two camps within the white house. there is a camp that has been advising the president to focus on the death of george floyd and urge calm, but for now, this tough talk law and order messaging seems to be winning out. >> i was talking to a senior white house adviser just before we came on air and they were saying they wanted to urge the president to try and original the fbi to get involved with the charges for the officers involved in the death of george floyd. they want want to urge the

president to think of legislative fixes. i know there are two camps in the white house urging these things. what are you hearing about when the president might -- if he doesn't address the nation in an oval office setting, but when he might face reporters or have some sort of on camera messaging to the american public? >> absolutely. we haven't heard from the president since saturday. he has a call with the governors and several other meetings on his schedule, but well not hear from him publicly as of now. of course, that would change. on the issue of an oval office address to the nation, it seemed like there was more downside

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you're looking at a live shot in minneapolis. this is ari melbourne. we've been tracking this rather emotional scene. what you see here as we try to create some wider space, which at times has become a little bit chaotic, but mostly we've been tracking this through our news

room. you're looking at attorneys floyd, the brother of george floyd who was arrested and killed. now according to authorities of third degree murder as they've charged it in minneapolis which has set off the six days of protests. what you're seeing is a bit of an improvement temperature march with a crumb of meet ya and onlookers while mr. floyd continues to do a public grieving, an incident na has become captivating and political in nature. terrence floyd, the brother of george floyd.

>> keep on. keep on. come on. >> condolences out to your guys' family. >> back up, back up, come on. >> i don't know what i'm supposed to do. >> this is live footage you're seeing. this is happening right now in minneapolis. terrence floyd's brother, george floyd, trying to make his way through this walk. you can imagine given everything that we've been through, what this is to people on the streets

of minneapolis, both the media which you can see and others trying to track this and other citizens and onlookers there all gathered to the poirnt that mr. floyd's rep is trying to tell people to keep moving. our cameras are trying to keep up with it. we've been tracking this and you can see also many of the mem ragzs and flowers and other ways that people are marking this. but one of the things we saw on this camera were the face masks of mr. floyd and others around him which by our sights appear to be memorial face masks, a sign of the sometimes we're in marking this death and also opening the cdc guidelines to wear mavengs in public when you are near people. those masks, as best i could make them out, appeared to say something to the effect of justice for floyd. and we're watching them continue to move through here.

as we watch this scene, i want to bring one of our guests in that is standing about i, an expert. an sxleexpert on many of the is with president trump who has been speak out on many aspects of this. i think we're going to keep an eye on this scene, this attempted march, if you will, but i wanted to bring you in as someone who has worked on these issues, who has worked for president trump. and i saw you quote an article out today for both the community and joe biden who is trying to walk this line. and i'm curious, your thoughts today. >> you have such an outpouring of emotion and frustration around this issue.

just something that -- that we haven't. discrimination and criminal justice reform. it was a top tier issue consideration and their voices haven't been heard. and when you look back at the silence of protests of kaepernick, you know, ari, 70% of white americans didn't approve of that silent protest, right? so we can't continue to kick the can down the road. we have to start taking these issues of injustice more seriously. they must be in the mainstream of politics or marginalized by our politics. >> cornell is speaking to us, a

former pollster for pb pb among other roles as we look at this rather emotional scene of terrence floyd here. appears to be getting closer to the ground in bun of the sites of this memorial there. i believe they're getting down and praying. >> watch your mouth. >> get back.

>> take a knee. show some respect. >> show some respect. >> take a knee and show some respect. everybody take a knee! everybody take a knee! everybody take a knee! get down! take a knee! take a knee! >> we're looking at the live scene in minneapolis here. as george floyd's brother terrence floyd leads this impromptu memorial. you see him on the ground there with the people accompanying him sitting down. you can hear the calls to take a knee. take a knee.

>> get down! >> this is quite a moment here. take a knee, a reference to what our guest cornell belcher that joins us momentarily was just discussing, the civil rights protest by colin kaepernick which tragically has overlapped with the image and reality of an officer using that knee to kill someone during an arrest, to kill mr. floyd's brother who we see here. this is the news. we're tracking this as we go. we were listening to it for several moments uninterrupted. the cornell, i want to invite you back in and say if you could share with us what you see, what you hear, what you feel looking at this very public, very raw memorial in this city of minneapolis, in this time in america as another black man is mourned having died at the hands of the police, cornell?

>> i feel it's time's up for the injustice. and i also feel profoundly sad about where the state we are in america right now. and when you look at these images of them taking a knee and praying, i'm also reminded that right now we don't have a lot of moral leadership. just like the head of our country right now, the most important aspects of powers of the white house and presidency is the moral power, the moral authority, whether it be reagan after the shuttle explosion or, you know, bush after 9/11 or clinton after the federal building bombing. you know, the healing aspect and power of the white house is sort of ideal of unifying and calling

americans together around a common goal and bringing americas together and sort of talking, you know, showing us our commonality and focusing us on our better angels that we've had in prior presidents whether it be democrat or republican. i can disagree with a lot of the policy stand points of some of the republican presidents. but the moral authority and certainly their love for the country, the idea that we must sort of use that moral authority. that's what is missing in the country right now. we desperately need it. we need someone to -- >> let's listen in. i want to come. let's listen to how they're ramping this chant.

[ inaudible ] >> floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. floyd. george. floyd. george, floyd. >> come on. >> y'all give him a hand. >> we're watching this incredibly raw and emotional scene, this impromptu memorial and at times peaceful protest. the you're looking at terrence floyd, george floyd's brother. we saw chants from the crowd.

it seemed to come very organically. people saying take a knee and saying the name and the chants of george floyd. say their names which is something we've heard from activists and protesters throughout, remembering who these people are. let's listen in a little more. >> you have to be respectful. >> yes! >> i know you have a story. it's not your story. you have to be respectful. >> yes, sir! >> good afternoon. [ inaudible ] >> i'm a civil rights leader in

brooklyn, new york. >> thank you for your service. >> we came today with a delegation that you will hear from. the delegation consists of attorney rubenstein, committee activity chris banks, the brother of george floyd, terrence floyd. >> god bless you! >> we came all the way, flew all the way here for simply one message. we came in solidarity. of those who are in the streets peacefully. protesting. simply saying no justice, no

peace. this family is a respectable family. this family is a peaceful family. and as much as outrage as you are, the family is too. >> that's right. >> but you cannot come before the family. you cannot become before the victim. the family has called for peace. >> come on now. . >> the family has called for peace. the family has called for peace. the family has called for peace. the family has called for peace. we're sending a message to people all over this country. to stop looting.

throw up the peace sign. the power is in the numbers. help stop protesters and throw up the peace sign. this family has a long road ahead of justice. but just because we're doing this peacefully, that doesn't mean we don't want all four of the officers locked up. >> yes! [ cheers and applause ] >> lock up all four. lock up all four! lock up all four! lock up all four! lock up all four! lock up all four! lock up all four! >> yes. >> lock them all up! >> those who are responsible for the murder --

>> come on now. >> it's on. >> -- too many time the media and people want to talk about black on black crime. and saying it's crime in minnesota, minneapolis, it's crime in new york city, it's crime in chicago. but guess what? when you do a crime, you do the time. and the desire to be locked up. and we will not rest until they get locked up. and once that happens, if they want peace, we'll give them peace when you give us justice. >> there you go. there you go. just like we have a left hand and a right hand, we want peace on the left and justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on

the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. you are not here for his brother who traveled with us. who has to endure watching his blood brother die at the hands of a corrupt police. let us respect him as he speaks at this time. please, let us hear our dear brother, the brother of george, terrence floyd.

terrence floyd is the brother of george floyd. let us hear from him. >> first of all -- >> hello. i understand y'all are upset. like was already said, you're

not half as upset as i am. so if i'm not over here walling out, if i'm not over here blowing up stuff, if i'm not over here messing up my community, then what are all doing? what are y'all doing? y'all doing nothing. because that's not going to bring my brother back at all. it may feel good for the moment, just like when you drink, or when they come down, you're going to wonder what you did. >> that's right. so true. >> my family is a peaceful family. my family is god fearing. yeah, we're upset. but we're not going to -- we're not going to be repetitious. in every case of police

brutality, the same thing has been happening. y'all protest. y'all destroy stuff. and they don't move. you know why they don't move? because it's not their stuff. it's our stuff. they want us to destroy our stuff. they're not going to move. so let's do this another way. let's do this another way. let's do this another way. let's think our voice doesn't vote. vote for the preliminaries. vote for everybody. educate yourself.

educate yourself. don't wait for somebody else to tell you who's who. educate yourself and know who you're voting for. and that's how we're going to hit them. because it's -- it's a lot of us. the it's a lot of us. it's a lot of us. and we still going to do this peacefully. because that's when we're going to get them. we're going to fool them. they think we're going to do. this we're going to do something and switch it on them. >> praise the lord. >> let's switch it up, y'all. let's switch it up. >> yes. amen! >> do this peacefully. please. my brother moved here from houston and i used tow talk to him on the phone. he loved it here. he started driving truck.

he was good. so i don't -- i highly doubt -- no, i know he would not want y'all to be doing this. and i'm not saying that people here, whoever is doing it. relax. >> like reverend said, peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on

the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. >> peace on the left. justice on the right. right. that's what i'm saying. that's what i want to see. peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. peace on the left, justice on the right. that's what i'm talking about. >> we love you. we love you. year praying for you. on behalf of the floyd family, thank you. thank you for the love. thank you for the flowers. thank you for the memorials. thank you. now before i go, i just want to hear this again. what's his name? >> george floyd!

>> what's his name? >> george floyd! >> what's his name? >> george floyd! >> what's his name? >> george floyd! >> george! >> george! >> floyd! >> floyd! thank you. one down. >> three to go. one down. >> three to go. >> one down. >> three to go. the. >> one down. >> three to go. >> one down. >> three to go. . >> one down. >> three to go. >> one down. >> three to go. >> minnesota stand up! minnesota stand up! minnesota stand up! >> stand up! stand up for george. stand up for george. fist up for george. fist up for george. >> thank you, brother. thank you. >> we have been listening to the

impromptu memorial and remarks as it still goes. you see here fists in the air by terrence floyd who is the brother of george floyd as well as the friends and associates that he brought to this memorial including his civil rights attorney. this was a remarkable scene we just hiwitnessed. i want to underscore some of what we just heard from terrence floyd. terrence floyd, of course, is the brother. he is mourning. he is grieving. you can see this was a make shift memorial with the sound quality that we were struggling with. of course, they're using just a hand held amplification device. they're walking through this town and clearing the area as best they can. the chants continue. i want to report for you some of what we heard from terrence floyd. he said to the gathered group, i'm more upset than anyone. and if i'm not wilding out, no

one else should be. he addressed not only the people in minneapolis but really the people who have looted in parts around the country. he said what are y'all doing? you're not going to bring my brother back like this. and then he said, they want us to destroy ourselves. let's not do that. let's do this another way. let's listen in. he's speaking again. i want to hear. this we're going back to terrence floyd. >> i know this is about my brother. i want to say something. i went to school -- i knew chauvin and all the other case that's are going on. you see the protesting. you see everything. but then when after a while, they're out of the scene. nobody is saying nothing. this is what i've been saying to people on facebook, instagram, i've been saying this. keep my brother's name ringing.

>> yes. >> keep my brother's name ringing. >> keep my brother's name ringing. >> yes, sir! >> keep my brother's name ringing! >> yes, sir! >> what's his name? >> george floyd! >> one, two, three -- >> thank you. when you talk about -- when you talk about shawn bell, when you talk about eric gardiner, we have with us the lawyer who has been on the front lines across this country dealing with this. let us welcome attorney sanford rubenstein. >> a message --

>> we're listening to part of this protest. one of the civil rights lawyers i medicationntioned earlier. we'll keep an eye on it and any time we hear from the floyd family or other individuals, we'll go back it to. will i have several experts and guests standing by. i want to bring in reverend al sharpton for this discussion. reverend sharpton, thank you for joining me. >> thank you, always. good to be with you. ari. >> reverend sharpton, we just experienced something pretty remarkable. it's a scene that you know well, sadly. you've been a part of this when you go and work with families of victims of police brutality as you've done before at some of the individuals, even name checked and people you worked with. i want to read back what i was doing earlier for the sake of reporting for your response. but again, what i was hearing from terrence floyd, what i think the whole country needs to hear was someone who is publicly grieving and mourning in a situation no one would want to be in.

and he said to the people gathered there just now in minneapolis and really anyone listening around the country. he said i'm more upset than anyone. i lost my brother. if i'm not wilding out, what are y'all doing? it's not going to bring my brother back. he went on to say from our notes, let's do this another way. let's make our voices heard. let's vote in every election. they want us to destroy ourselves. let's not do that. and then he said, keep my brother's name ringing. say the names. a sad plea we have heard in many instances of these type of situations, the killing of black, unarmed black americans. reverend sharpton, given what we just heard from terrence floyd, your thoughts? >> well, i think that he and the members of the family, i had on the older brother on saturday night have said that they are angry. they're outraged but they do not want to see violence.

and they do not want the violence to become the issue that they could surplant the justice fight for george floyd. you are later today going to hear from the general lawyer for the family and the the doctor who they brought in to do the independent autopsy that is going to give the conclusions of their examination. i think this will add a lot to the call for the arrest of the other three officers and the fact that now the attorney general of the state of minnesota is in charge, we think we can get a fair investigation and move forward and particularly when you hear the evidence that is going to be made public later this afternoon in minneapolis by attorney general ben crump. >> as so often the case when we look at this zad scene here in

the press. we report on it out in america. people are obviously living through it in different ways. reverend, we see the fusion of the grieving process, the mourning. that is not done. that is still obviously very raw for these families. but it's fused with this political process, the activism. i'm curious what you think about hearing that plea, say his name. the brother asking within all this, he seeks justice, he seeks us to remember mr. george floyd. as a full person and more as more than the last moments of his life, reverend sharpton. >> absolutely. i think that we clearly must always affirm the names of the victims because they're not just some notches on a gun or somebody that is marginalized and not considered in their full humanity. that is why we always say, say

their name. brianna taylor, if it is certainly now as we did with george floyd. we must affirm them. when we do the memorial service on thursday in minneapolis, that's part of the message is that we must say their name until they get justice. >> do you see any differences that you think provide a path for a constructive outcome in this particular situation as contrast to the past? >> i think that the difference is that we've seen a lot of people from different races, different backgrounds go to the street. i think that the attention of the country is there. the i think even in a strange way, ari, the fact that we were all in lockdown in the pandemic, a lot of people that may not have been paying attention as much as they should before are

seeing over and over again this video of what happened to george floyd and saying this is an outrage. and people that therefore taken to the streets and to risk of their health to protest the justice of this matter. and i think that we're not underscoring that enough. >> very important point you raise. we know but we sometimes can forget the level of it, rev. people are knowingly risking more than just the obvious when you go out to these situations which can be difficult in a physical sense with the police but also the pandemic. we're watching this scene. we're covering this moments earlier when they walked up to the vigil site and now they're trying to make their way out through this difficult scenario. rev sharpton stays with us. but for the next step of this, we want to bring in shaquille brewster who is there on the ground live at the vigil site

like so many reporters trying to help us understand this from every angle, from the top on the field. shaquille, what are you seeing? >> right now you see the brother of george floyd, terrence floyd. you saw the live scene earlier where he laid flowers. he prayed. he spoke to this crowd. and had a plea for peace. that's really what it was. it was a plea for peace. and went over to another intersection where there is another memorial for george floyd. there are flowers there. he took a moment there. he respected the crowd. you hear the crowd chanting. i hope you can hear me over them. >> we hear you. >> peace on the left, justice on the right. the reason why they're doing that is that's a direct response to what you heard from terrence floyd. he is heading back to his car now where he's going leave the scene. you might see the struggle that is he going through because of the support that is here for him. i can tell you as he was speaking, the crowd, very

diverse crowd, a very diverse crowd, white, black, young, old. and the crowd grew as he was speaking. it turned from a solemn, somber scene as people started praying and coming with flowers. it turned into a rally as he called for people to go out and vote. called people to stop looting. he said he's not doing that. why are you disrespecting the name of george floyd by doing that yourself? so you're seeing the big crowd. it's a lot of media. a lot of supporters and trying to squeeze through now to get there. but it was a real emotional moment. a very solemn moment. a call for purpose there. i hear you. >> shaquille, as you continue to give us what you're seeing, because you're down there with a different view. i want to remind viewers, our camera here. we're seeing them make their way. we saw what looked like an impromptu embrace. a hug between mr. floyd and what appeared to be a supportive

member of this vigil or protest. they embraced. he continued walking. he is slowly making his way through this scene. shaquille, you're mentioning from on the ground reporting what you're seeing and what reverend sharpton mentioned. he says, by his view, has noticed a more racially diverse set of protesters in some of these places than we may have seen historically in situations where black americans die about the hand of the police. could you speak more about what you're seeing just right now in this crowd, shaquille? >> without a doubt. just to give you an idea, i'm behind our camera position. the reason i'm doing that is, one, there is so much media here that just to avoid anyone tripping or falling or anything like that, i'm keeping distance. so i can watch as it's going on. but, yes, it's -- i would dare to say this crowd is actually majority white. and i think that's something that stuck out to me when i came initially. you know, i got into minneapolis on tuesday, the day after --

sorry, i think you can see me now. i got into minneapolis tuesday, the day after george floyd died. that was when you saw the large protest scene. there were about 6,000 people. a councilwoman on the ground said it was one of the largest protests she's seen in minneapolis which is a city that had police killings involved before. had to deal with protesters taking over highways before. they know these tensions. it's familiar to them. and what you saw in this crowd that you see here, it is something that was -- we saw on that tuesday that, first dave protests after that video went viral. but it is also something that you're seeing replicated now. and, i mean, again, not only is it racially diverse, but the age ranges. people are bringing their kids. teaching their kids lessons. putting their kids on shoulders and teaching them about what's going on. telling them why people are -- so many people are upset. you hear the names. you hear the chants. george floyd. this is -- i said earlier, it's a call to action. people want to be motivated by this. they want to be inspired by

this. and a scene you saw there, i feel like this crowd gave terrence floyd some energy. when he got out of the car and this is the car that you see here now, you see all the floyd of reporters. when he got out of the car, he actually started walking and stopped for a moment. he almost collapsed. he had to be held up by the entourage around him because of the power of the people here, the amount of people here. you heard him speak there. that was a man who was emotional and also someone who was motivated. i think this crowd is doing that -- a diverse crowd, energetic crowd and crowd that, again, is preaching -- is preaching for peace. they want to see peace. they want the looting and violence to stop. they want this to be the lasting scene of george floyd and the calls that you hear for george floyd. ari? >> shaquille, stay with me. viewers can see from our two camera positions where you on the right, obviously. and this full shot of them getting into the truck. we just saw mr. terrence floyd

stand there and raise one fist, hoisted in the air to the applause. shaquille telling us that we have seen just in the last hour mr. floyd go from almost visibly collapsing there to seeming to be very motivated and supported by this outpouring in this crowd as he really urged peace, political activism, political pressure for change and explicitly rejected looting and violence and said that is -- he knows, not what his brother would want. his now dead brother. shaquille, this was a moment that is so different than many of the planned events. the white house is briefing today. governors are speaking. we're all tracking a million things. yet, shaquille, i would venture to say as an observer and reporter from a distance what we just saw and it's organic and unplanned, unfolding on this street seems to be by far one of the most significant addresses in this tough time that we've seen today, shaquille.

>> that's right. it was definitely significant. people heard it. i mean as people are listening, again, we're stepping out of the way so we're not in the way of his car leaving. but as people listen to it, there were tears in their eyes. there was applause. people had fists up in the air. people connected with him. to hear it from the brother directly, someone that has a right to be angry, someone that has a right to go out and do, you know, have that emotion and express that emotion to hear him ask people to stop doing it in a negative way and try to direct it in a positive way. i think that definitely stuck out for me. look at some of the people who are here. this is -- look at the sign, there listen to black people. that is something you kept hearing from people saying this is, again, in minneapolis city that has had to deal with police involved shootings before, people felt like they were not being heard. that's what you have people here y do you have that sign up? >> because it's for the family.

[ inaudible ] >> they've been ignoring the fact that their quality of life is way different than african-americans and people of color in minnesota. but at the same time, they have white people think that they've got the answers and they know how to fix things and it's like if we just get together and i'm a white liberal and make it better. then no, i'm just degrading the very people that i think i'm helping. >> what did you think about what terrence floyd had to say? >> i mean, i -- well, i was kind of on the outside yelling. but i mean, i think number one, to speak to the pain of not just his family and himself but entire communities and generations of communities. i mean, i think that's a profound and honest statement. again, it's up to me to listen. >> thank you for letting me

ambush you with a question. a diverse group of people. kids are here. older folks. of it's an emotional scene. actually, let's turn around as the brother of george floyd is leaving. he's pulling off right. there i'll toss back you to, ari. >> thank you, shaquille brewster doing the reporting, giving us another view. as mentioned, we're watching now george floyd's brother, terrence floyd, having marched, having addressed the kroid and realcro the crowd of minneapolis and anyone that might loot or wild out around the country, he said don't do that. let's do this another way. let's vote. let's get our voices heard. we see him departing. we thank everyone that has been providing our coverage on the ground. want to bri i want to bring in reverend al sharpton. we covered much of this. do we have reverend sharpton?

>> i'm here. >> rev, do i have you? >> yes. >> great. this is the final thought i want to get from you. we spoke about many aspects of this. but there was one more point that terrence floyd did make as we listen closely to him today. which is part of the point of all this. he spoke about the what. what needs to change? what needs to be done? and then at the end, rev, he spoke about the when he said he's been through this before. not with his own brother but with other people killed. he mentioned eric gardiner by name. he mentioned many other stories our viewers know. he said after a while everyone goes home. he said, "nobody says nothing after h after a while." let's make this different. keep my brother's name ringing. having discussed the what, rev, i'm curious at this time,

difficult summer for america, heading into a presidential election, i'm curious what you by this that final call from terrence floyd to make this last. >> i think that that is the point. i think that there has been experiences where we have won and we have only won. we have policeman in jail now. we had to stay on that. then the ones that we stay on, we win. and the fact that we need now make new law to shows the limitations of what a police officer or law enforcement should and could be and the fact that we must deal with accountability in terms of prosecutors, that will make it last. we must have sustained indignation. they will wait you out a week or two. but if you stay on it, that's where change comes. and that's why, you know, every name he called today, we were involved in those battles. i did those eulogies as i'm

doing this week there. we have been in this for the long haul. and that's the way you win battles when you study dr. king or nelson mandela or others, it was the length of service. it was not just a sprint. it was being a long distance runner for justice. >> very, very important points. the reverend sharpton who has been with us throughout our special coverage here. we've been on an extended live broadcast of what we're seeing in minneapolis. our thanks to rev, shaquille brewster and cornell belcher. our thanks to everyone. we've been on the air consecutively for some time. we're going to fit in a brief break. when we come back, we're going to explore what it means to take what we just heard and ask what if anything are the politicians going to do? stay with us for special coverage right here on msnbc. orl coverage right here on msnbc i don't keep track of regrets and i don't add up the years,

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i'm katy tur in lower manhattan continuing our special coverage. we'll get into what happened here in new york city last night, what they're expecting for tonight and more on the investigations into police conduct. but we want to go now to the white house. there is a white house briefing going on with the press secretary. and over the weekend the president called the death of george floyd a grave tragedy that should have never happened. but he also blamed antifa for the violence. he said the media stoking

hatred. he called protesters anarchists. he also threatened to use the unlimited power of our military and urged some governors and mayors to get tougher including on a call this morning with numerous governors saying that most of you are weak. joining us now is nbc news digital senior white house reporter shannon petty-peace. so on this call, he is saying that the governors need to take control. some are reading this as a same response he's had to the pandemic where he is outsourcing the responsibility for what is happening across the country to the governors, to the local officials. >> right. yeah. well, i mean in this case, there is really only so much he can do at this time as far as from a law enforcement perspective. because the police reside with the governor, state police reside with the governors. the national guard when it comes to law enforcement reside with the governors. but they're talking to reporters right now and suggesting that there may be more that the

president could do down the road. from a law enforcement perspective. of course, then you get into some real complex legal ta territory. but the president's solution here is about increasing the police force. increasing the law enforcement presence. that that is what is going to end this unrest in his estimation. not talking about the underlying issues like police brutality or socioeconomic issues. that is not something we have seen the president tackling head on. and there are advisors, my reporting indicates, are telling him to focus on those instead but here for another day we see him focusing on the police response and is that being the way to quiet down some of the unrest going on? >> shannon petty bs piepiece, tu very much. >> we're learning about the tactics that minneapolis police have used over the years when it

comes to arresting people. the graphic video that sparked all of these protests and sparked all of this unrest shows an officer as you well know by now officer derek chauvin with his knee on george floyd's neck. and now an nbc analysis finds officers from the minneapolis police department rendered 44 people unconscious by using neck restraints in the last five years. so joining us now for more on this is nbc news correspondent for investigations tom winter. tom, thanks very much for being here. explain to me what you found and whether that is out of the norm. >> right. what we did is took a look at the actual data and our data team looked at it and said okay, what do we actually have here as far as neck real estate re stran restraints. it appears in the minneapolis use of force manual. this is something they can use. this is something that they've been trained for. and they found it was used 237 times in 44 of those times the

person that they used this use of force on became unconscious. so about 16%. that seemed high to us. we went to law enforcement experts across the country, the person that ran the investigation into the lapd's beating of rodney king, other law enforcement experts and they said that is a high number. that came out to them and struck them as a high number. one thing that is important about this, katy, is that we don't have a lot of data about how other departments use it because so many departments prohibit the use of this type of neck restraint. >> that is a really good point. what you don't have across the country are federal guidelines for when police can use force. what is defined as excessive force. what the guidelines are for each police department across the country. >> one of the reasons nofor tha is dependent on the situation. if i was arresting you for taking part in the looting here, the there are certain things if

i work are for the nypd, i can do or i can't do. if you had had a weapon on you, there are certain things i'm allowed to do to save my life or safe the life of anybody that is around us here. so there does have been to be some flexibility. this is a hold that people said is prohibitively dangerous. thats whe th that's why folks are keying in on this. >> police were trying to subdue protesters or whatever you want to call the person at the time, protesters actually. we saw moments where police officers had these on the neck of protesters and other police officers have moved the officer's knees. breerl briefly, we're in lower manhattan. the nypd is making a clear distinction between who did this and who is protesting. >> they had a number of peaceful protests. people speaking out about what they saw in minneapolis. people speaking out what's happened between the

african-american community and police in the past. but the nypd says the peaceful protests have been hijacked by small groups. they're not naming antifa specifically. but that is one included in that. these groups are coming in. they're well organized. they have medical supplies. they've got money on stand by for bail. and they've also got a setup where they're resupplying. so if they need gasoline to torch the police cars, if they need supplies to treat them after they've got tear gassed, they have the supplies. the they have scouts on bikes that are going around these neighborhoods and saying, katy, okay, the police are here on this corner. they're not on another corner. so it's a coordinated effort. they're drawing a clear distinction between the two. >> so, ari, we saw a lot of violence last night. there are also a lot of questions about the nypd and the tactics they've used over the past few days to spub dubdue protesters. there are a lot of images on social media, ari, and a lot of questions about what is

acceptable for the nypd and what is not acceptable. the mayor has addressed this, local leaders are addressing this. certainly protesters are very angry about this. it's a very tense time here in the city. the it may look more quiet here today as everyone is cleaning up. st but as t but as the hours wear on, there is worry about what might happen going into a seventh evening. >> thank you, katy. our special coverage continues. we'll be live from louisville after this. ouisville after this dear fellow business leaders and technologists, i see all the amazing things you have been doing. you are transforming business models, and virtualizing workforces overnight. because so much of that relies on financing, we have committed two billion dollars to relieve the pressure on your business. as you adapt and transform, we're here with the people, financing, and technology, ready to help.

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george floyd was murdered in minneapolis but he was from houston. a majority of the protests were peaceful. there is a march with floyd's family who we of course heard from just earlier last hour planned there tomorrow. joining us right now in houston is nbc's presilla thompson. >> yeah. ari, i just got off the phone with the houston rapper who is organizing that march tomorrow. he tells me that he wanted to find a way to support the family as they prepare for the body to be brought back here to houston for services. and so we expect to see a couple members of george floyd's family to be there in addition to the mayor who said he will turn out in a number of other local leaders.

and you know, you mention the protests here have been fairly peaceful. and a lot of what we're seeing here is that, yes, while there is a lot of anger and a desire for justice, we're also seeing that a lot of folks are really interested in celebrating his life and who he was as a person. and the other thing, you talk to shaquille brewster a little bit about this. there is so much diversity at these rallies. i actually spoke to one protester about that. and i want you to take a listen to what she told me. >> a lot of people that were out there marching with us downtown, they are white. they are spanish. they are indian. and they also are fed up. they're fed up probably with their own parents saying wrong things. so honestly, at this point, it's just a matter of making sure our voices continue to be heard and also giving it time. it's going to take time. >> and we do expect to see that diversity on display at this rally tomorrow with thousands of people expected, ari.

>> thank you very much for the reporting you're doing and the context that is striking and reflects what we're hearing in other places including shaquille brewster who zroi brewster described a majority white crowd. a man was shot dead during one of the protested in kentucky yesterday. officers and the guard were trying to clear the crowd and they say they were shot at and returned fire. i should tell you nbc news has not confirmed who fired the fatal shot. thus, dwoent hawe don't have fut on the assertion by authorities. we do have additional reporting. cal perry in louisville. cal? >> hey, ari. that's what we know about the shooting. we know the name of the individual, david makatee. he died over there. he was selling barbecue. he is very well known in the neighborhood. it caused what you're seeing now behind me in the other direction which is an uproar from the west

side of louisville. now the police were here. they have withdrawn from the area. i think that was a smart move. it was getting more and more tense. his body lay here for a number of hours. to walk you through what happened in louisville this weekend, things started on thursday night when seven people were shot in a mass shooting during a protest on friday night. there was another shooting on saturday night. and at least five police officers were targeted by gunfire. and then last night, the national guard, that force multiplier for the louisville police department came through this parking lot right here at this gas station. they were clearing the area when they say they took fire, gunfire. they returned fire. and that fire resulted, we understand, in the death of david macatee. it's another flash point in this city which during the day and during the evening we see those pepper pellets and tear gas. later in the evening, midnight and after, we hear gunfire and we see and hear exchanges of

fire with the police. the investigation is going to be key. the governor says he wants all the footage from the cctv cameras and the body cameras from the police to be reached so the public can make their own judgements on this. excuse me, sir. people here are cleaning up. again, the question is tonight once curfew hits, who is on the street? the peaceful protesters go away during the day. all of this again in a city that has a historic difficulty between the community and police force. tonight is going to be scary for a lot of people as curfew hits. the police said they're going to hold their lines and national guard will be out here again. these folks want full transparency and they want an investigation. they want people held to account and they want the national guard to withdraw, ari. >> cal perry on the ground giving us that context including what might be easy for some to forget, a new fatality in all of this. cal, thank you. one of the touch stones of all of these issues here in

different cities are the rules that govern police interactions with citizens. be that in a protest context or day-to-day life. . what you see here is this controversial foot hath, you can see it for yourself, nypd vehicles that appear to make a choice. you can see the crowd building and they appear to decide to go forward and drive into the crowd. an suv basically taking on the protesters in brooklyn. there are over a dozen encounters that have been counted between police and demonstrators under review by internal affairs. it's a complex but important story when you look at this footage. we'll get into that after the break. 'll get into that after t break. 25% of your mouth.

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public advocate, jumani williams. he's joined the protesters. last night, he was here in soho. you said you were here up until you believed the point when a lot of this violence started happening. >> yeah, we left, i guess, right before -- you know, i have been in the protests for the last three days. i feel it's my duty as a public advocate to lift everyone's voices. everything was fine. we went from barclays and brooklyn and walked over here. and i know there's been a lot of focus on some of the parts that people are focusing on now, but i want to make sure we keep bringing it back to why people are protesting to begin with. and i feel like people have been screaming and screaming that their leg is broken and everybody wants them to stop screaming without figuring out how to fix their leg. >> you know, you and i have talked about this in the past. i've covered these stories in new york city. there have been ugly clashes with police officers and new yorkers for many decades. there have been instances when new yorkers, black men, have

died at the hands of police officers. eric garner, for instance, just a few years ago. there are people thabz, it's not getting better. and we keep -- we keep protesting and we keep screaming and we keep demanding that it stop, but it's not stopping. >> and that's a very important point, which is why i'm very careful not to tell people how to protest. and i am a very big supporter of community nonviolence. but we often confuse that with peaceful protests. and i think that we've been saying no justice, no peace for a very long time. in order for things to change, there is going to be disruption, period. what we have to do now as a society is figure out collectively and how we're going to address and get rid of that disruption. and the way that we do that is not by sending the national guard. is not by saying, okay, let's send even more police. it's by having a conversation about why people are out here. and the real pain that they're feeling.

not just from george floyd, not just brianna taylor, eric garner, sean bell, ahmaud arbery, but the black mothers' rate is higher because they're not feeling the pain. some of the people have been here for months because coronavirus is ravaging their communities. what are we going to do about that? and there are some very solid things that we can do right now, today, as we're telling people to try to stay calm. >> what are they? >> so one here in new york, we can get rid of something called 58, which prevents us from knowing what is happening in an officer's background when they have been found of wrongdoing. we can have an independent inspector general here in new york city. we can get the officers, right here in new york city, there are officers who were never held to account for eric garner's killing. we have cases like dereon smauls. there's a budget cutting in new york city where the mayor is expected to keep the entire budget of 6:00 billion in the

nypd in tact. we can change the direction of where funding and resources go. the governor right now has proposed to cut medicaid, the same medicaid these people need to help heal after the coronavirus. instead of raising revenue on the people who make the most money. we've said, raise revenue on people whom have luxury yachts and luxury planes. that's it. he won't even do that. so while we're talking to folks, we should say, this is what we're doing to fix the broken leg. stop asking people to stop screaming when they are in true pain. human beings who have been in pain for a long time. with the drip, drip, drip, drip and now the bucket is overflowing. and we all want it to stop. but we as leaders have to present a plan that says, we hear you and we are addressing you. >> so reassess the funding, reassess who gets what, reassess taxes. reassess and address the inequality in this city. and as a nation, as a whole. you man jumani williams, thank you so much for joining us.

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custody of a white minneapolis police officer who put his knee on floyd's neck and kept it there for nearly nine minutes. over the past seven days, protests have began in minneapolis, have spread to dozens of cities in all 50 states. and they show no sign of slowing down. the vast majority of those demonstrations have been peaceful. but some of the protests have given way to violence, including fires, looting, and clashes with police. according to an associated press tally, more than 4,400 people have been arrested in connection with demonstrations this past weekend. more than 20 states and washington, d.c. have activated the national guard to help deal with the violence. we haven't heard much from president trump about the unrest that's engulfed the country, but today the president is blaming the nation's governors. the source tells nbc news that the president told governors during a video teleconference this morning that, quote, most of you are weak. he also urged them to use force,

telling the governors, quote, you've got to arrest people. you have to track people, you have to put them in jail for ten years and you'll never see this stuff again. to which michigan governor gretchen whitmer responded in a statement, quote, the president's dangerous comments should be gravely concerning to all americans, because they send a clear signal that this administration is determined to sew the seeds of hatred and division, which i fear will only lead to more violence and destruction. at this hour, we are awaiting a news conference by the attorneys for george floyd's family, who will be announcing the results of an independent autopsy. and in the past hour, we have been watching a powerful and emotional vigil led by george floyd's brother at the exact site of floyd's fatal encounter with minneapolis police just one week ago. >> i doubt y'all are half as upset as i am. so if i'm not over here, if i'm

not over here, blowing up stuff, if i'm not over here messing up my community, then what are y'all doing? what are y'all doing? because that's not going to bring my brother back, at all! it may feel good for the moment, just like when you drink, but when it comes down, you're going to wonder what you did! my family is peaceful family. my family is god fearing. yeah, we're upset. but we're not going to take it. we're not going to be repetitious. in every case of police brutality, the same thing has

been happening. y'all protest, y'all destroy stuff, and if they don't move, you know why they don't move? because it's not their stuff. it's our stuff. so they want us to destroy our stuff! they're not going to move! so let's do this another way! let's do this another way! let's do it some other way. let's start thinking that our voice don't matter and vote! not juts vote for the president, vote for the preliminaries, vote for everybody! educate yourself! educate yourself! don't wait for somebody else to tell you who's who.

educate yourself and know who you're voting for. and that's how we're going to hit them! because it's a lot of us! >> wow. joining our conversation, bulletster prize winning columnist, eugene robinson for "the washington post." lucky for us, eugene is also an msnbc contributor. eugene, if you could watch that over and over again, and i'm going to find a way to play it again, i'm on for the next two hours, those words have resonance among every man, woman, child of every race in every corner of this country right now, as our country burns and seethes. >> yes, those words do have resonance. and the contrast between the grieving brother of george floyd and the sort of vile nonsense

we've heard today from our governors have heard from a president of the united states, the nation hasn't worked anything from them and makes the point that they're on their own. we don't have a responsible, compassionate, empathetic leader to take us to help get us through this really difficult time. but his speech was powerful and we were speaking to his community in minneapolis and in minneapolis and the rioting really was in the community. it was, as he said, our stuff that was being destroyed. >> what has fascinated me this week, as we've seen these protests, and i think it's more than 60 cities across the nation, these demonstrations

night after night and the action and the anger, this feels to me like an inflection point. this doesn't feel like ferguson felt. it doesn't feel like the other sort of discreet incidents. this seems to be a reaction to the uh accumulation of these unjust police killings and a statement that this is no longer acceptable in this country. and the principle here is that governments derive their powers from the consent of the government and we no longer give our consent for these killings. and i think there's been an explanation point and in los angeles, the rioting wasn't in east l.a., it was in santa monica.

so that's also striking. this is really different and i think an important moment. >> we've lost something we've sort of always had, which is whether we agreed with him or not, we've always had a president with a capacity for empathy during our darkest hours. we have lost that. but as i've watched the news and i've watched the riots, i've watched my colleagues on tv and i've fretted about them. i've watched the mayor of atlanta talk about getting her kids home. i've wondered a little bit in the last 12 hours what we've gained. and it seems that we've gained the voice of the floyd family. we've gained these new leaders who are rushing in and filling the vacuum. the mayors of atlanta and chicago. some of the governors who have had it up to here with donald trump and they're not all democrats. i mean, can you just talk about what that looks like for you? what we've lost and what we've gained? >> right.

well, that -- that's a perfect expression, i think, of what we have gained. we have gained these clarion voices that we have heard from leaders. we have seen some police chiefs take a knee along with protesters in solidarity, understanding the need for police reform, which is easier to support than to actually do. so now that actually has to be done. and we've gained -- and let's not forget the protesters. this is -- these multi-racial sort of rainbow groups of protesters that have come out night after night. the vast majority have been nonviolent but passionate and determined to change this country for the better and to

change our way of policing for the better. and i think that is so encouraging. and i think that, you know, the great metaphor for this moment was last night, when fires were raging in lafayette park across from the white house and curfew hour arrived and garrett haake is getting assailed and chased away and hit by some kind of projectile and the white house just goes dark. completely dark. and the metaphor is just inescapable. it's like, nope home. or nobody responsible, at least. so we've got the feel our way through this. and once again, it's going to be up to us, the american people, because we don't have a leader who's going to help us through it. >> that is clearer and clearer

by the hour. eugene robinson, thank you so much for starting us off today. it's always great to talk to you. nbc's shaq brewster joins now from minneapolis. shaq, we've been watching this vigil. tell me what it looks like from where you are. and what is the feeling where you are in that city more broadly. >> well, this is the intersection where george floyd died about a week ago, almost to the hour. a little bit later this evening, it will be exactly a week. and what you heard was tarrance floyd, the brother of george floyd, come over to the scene and he spoke to the crowd here and really inspirational words that really got people listening. i just want to show you around a little bit. this is one of the vigil -- one of the vigils here. this is just one of the locations, there's about three of them that you see. and you see people paying respect. you see them looking. people have been coming up all day, laying flowers. there are signs and candles that you see. and when you keep going, look

around, it almost has an atmosphere of full community, where people on the opposite side, and that's where we'll take you over to now, there's a native american drum circle back there and people are listening to them. they're playing music, all here just to kind of spend time together and honor the memory of george floyd. let me help john up a little bit. and you see that scene going on right here. this is not one of the sites that earlier this week we saw clashes or saw that big division. what you see here is a lot of community, people spending a lot of time together and trying to celebrate the memory of george floyd. all of this is happening right now, as we know, as the autopsy, as the lawyers for the family are doing their own independent autopsy and they're announcing the results of that right now. again, in terms of the prosecution of the officer, derek shovin, he is now in state custody. he's facing charges for murder and manslaughter. and the family is now asking for justice for the remaining three

officers. the three minneapolis police officers who were fired. the three other officers. they want to see those officers arrested, as well. we heard from keith ellison, the state attorney general who said that he -- last week, he said that we would expect to see charges pretty quickly for those officers. he's now in charge of that investigation. he says he wants to do this thoroughly, thoughtfully, and make sure that it's done right. you heard from tarrance floyd here. one of the things, one of the chants that we heard is when he said, one down, three to go. of course, talking about the one officer charged, the three other officers that they want chashlgd. that's what you're hearing from a lot of people here. they want to see justice and see the other officers involved in the death of george floyd taken into custody. >> nbc's shaq brewster on the ground for us in minneapolis. thank you, my friend. stay safe. now to washington, d.c., where the city's mayor has ordered an earlier curfew after a night of protests turned into violence last night. protesters clashed with police and set fires near the white house before officers moved into clear them out.

msnbc's garrett haake was caught in the middle of it when this scary moment occurred. >> forgive me, we're going to make some moves here, just so that we don't -- ah! we're going to end up in a place we don't want to be here if we're not careful, katy, so -- ugh! >> garrett, move out of there as quickly as you can. garrett, stop talking, move out there, get safe. >> msnbc's garrett haake joins me now from washington. garrett, i'm guessing that that embarrasses you when we put you in the middle of this story that i know you're more focused on covering than being a part of. but i was watching you and katy live and, nobody likes to see protesters in danger or in these clashes, no one likes to see in police in danger either, but i certainly, personally, did not like seeing my colleague in that situation. so what is -- >> reporter: it's a much different scene here today, nicole. and thank you for your concern. i'm fine, our team is fine.

everything worked out okay in the end there. today, the situation is starting to look similar to what it's looked like in recent afternoons. the protests behind me as changed a little bit in the last 20 or 30 minutes. most of these folks here were sitting in the middle of eighth street, just north of lafayette park, just across the street from the white house. protesting peacefully. essentially minding their own business, with almost no police presence visible at all, until to me kind of baffling decision by the u.s. secret service and park police to come out here in full riot gear, shields and helmets at the ready and take up this position, which they have held at different times with the white house a few hundred yards behind them. you can see in the background, for the last two days. it really antagonized the protesters here, who were having a -- the conversation that we've been having over and over again for the last couple of days about george floyd, about police violence, and about -- there's a piece of graffiti down the street from here that has stuck in my mind all day.

it says, why do we have to keep reminding y'all that black lives matter? and that's the thing i've been hearing from these protesters over and over again. that this is the continuation of a discussion that has already gone on too long and taken too long to have the desired effect. so that conversation continues again today here just outside the white house. >> garrett, i wonder what the difference is between what is on the minds of the protesters. obviously, this exasperation, frustration, rage, and grief. but obviously, these are the only protests taking place in donald trump's front yard. how much is the larger national political conversation and discontent -- >> what is this about? >> -- occupant of the white house -- >> reporter: i'm sorry, nicole. i caught only the back end of your question. i continue to be baffled by this decision by police to add police tape to a barricade that's existed here for two days. it seems blatantly antagonistic to me, as if the barrier enough is not a clear enough indicator.

as to the president, look, the president has taken on a certain irrelevance in this conversation. you know, i monitor his tweets, i monitor the political element of this. this is my job, too. the protesters out here, by and large the ones i've talked to, decided a long time ago that this president doesn't meaningfully speak for them or to them. they have, in their mind, a vision of someone who is essentially ordering police out on to his front lawn to clear them off his lawn, and that's about it. there's not a feeling like he's interested in having this conversation. they feel like he's interested in quashing this conversation. i don't know that there's a word that could come out of his mouth to change that, but, you know, it doesn't seem like he's interested in changing it. from everything that i have heard and seen and read since i've been out here on the str t streets the last couple of days. >> and quashing it is putting it nicely. garrett haake, thank you for your reporting today and the last several nights. it's been something. stay safe. >> thanks, nicole. >> now to california, where

cleanup efforts are underway after a night of looting in santa monica. this rei store was one of many in the downtown area that looters broke into last night, stealing clothes, shoes, and other merchandise. police arrested several of the looters. msnbc's gadi schwartz joins us now from santa monica. gadi, i know you've been -- i don't know if "embedded" is the right word to use, but you've been there every step of the way. tell us what it feels like today and for anyone that wasn't watching last night, just take us through some of the more harrowing moments of the scene. >> you were just talking about that rei. that rei is right across the street. this is the rei today. it's all been boarded up. in fact, you have people from all across santa monica, as well as the entire city coming with brooms. if you take a look, they're all over. you have people that have brought brooms from home, they've brought dust pans from home. you've got these gentlemen right here, they've got the goop begone, their dust pans and brooms, and people are going

into the sidewalks and looking inside of cracks, because there are millions and millions of little pieces of glass and they are taking them out piece by piece. it's what we've seen all throughout the morning. the community trying to come together to try to pick up the pieces after what we saw yesterday. this is a very popular restaurant here in santa monica, sushi and sake and it was a total loss inside. there was a fire that was lit inside of this build. and that fire made its way into the second story. this was a street where there was looting for about two to three hours. where people were just going inside a lot of these stores. in fact, this is one of them right here. this is jack's jewelers. this is a family-owned business that's been here for over 30 years. you can see inside, they smashed and took everything they could and so it's devastating for the family here. because they say that they poured their entire lives into

the business here. and we've got people that are just painting and they're trying to remove all graffiti. right now, it's very difficult to see graffiti in santa monica this morning. almost all of these windows and all of these walls were covered with graffiti. in fact, right here, this is where it said, the only good cop is a dead cop or something along those lines. that is one of the things that was removed. we have heard -- you were just telling me, you guys are looking for white paint right now, right? >> yeah, we need white paint to cover all of the graffiti that you just mentioned. >> so some of the supplies they're asking for is white paint. people have been coming down with food, with snacks, with water. but this is the entire street here, fourth street, that was hit the hardest by looters. it stretches all the way down for about a block. and again, as we talk to some of these business owners, they're telling us that it appeared as though there was a concerted effort that was going on, online.

so on twitter and some other platforms, people were sharing, hey, let's hit this place, let's hit that place, all while the protest was going on the other side of the promenade. it almost appears as though there were groups of -- i don't want to say organized criminals, but criminals that were at least organizing where they wanted to hit while the protest was going on, almost using that protest as a guise or some sort of distraction, knowing that police were going to be prekoupd with those protesters and going to places like this, smashing the windows with hammers and quickly going in, going out, going in, going out, grabbing as much as they could. so this is one of those situations that we saw in los angeles. it appears as though police are now on to that. they've stationed different officers throughout the city of los angeles. in fact, just down the street, there is a mall that is encircled by the national guard. so things are a little bit more calm today. there have been some demonstrations that have been

canceled today throughout los angeles. but again, we've heard from some of the protesters that did not know that this was happening yesterday, expressing their disgust at what we saw yesterday, saying this had nothing to do with their message and in fact, they felt as though their message was also stolen when the looting on this street happened. guys? >> nbc's gadi schwartz, thank you so much for spending some time with us. you stay safe, my friend. up next, much more on the protests sweeping the nation, including new information about how often minneapolis police officers have used neck restraint tactics, the same tactics we have all seen now play out in the jogeorge floyd video in which he loses he h s life. the frequency is unusually high. and these crowds renewing fears in another spike in the coronavirus spikes. as america faces three separate

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we continue to wait for the news conference by benjamin crump and the attorneys for the floyd family. the family has just now released the results of an independent autopsy on george floyd, showing that floyd died, quote, as a result of a homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain, end

quote. that is different from the state autopsy performed last week that revealed no findings that asphyxia was the cause of death. joining our conversation is paul henderson, the executive director of the san francisco department of police accountability. he's also a former u.s. attorney. paul, my first question for you is, this is now a criminal matter. the police officer who killed mr. floyd has now been charged with second and third-degree murder. how do the two autopsies play into that criminal proceeding? >> it plays hugely. just as a clarification, i was a prosecutor here, not a u.s. attorney. but it's a very similar role. but this really shines a glare ing spotlight on the fact that we can skpnt communi't and comm not been able to rely on local analysis. and it doesn't make sense that

the scientific evidence that should be subjective seems to be at odds and only confirms that there might be a separate track of justice for law enforcement when we look at wrongdoing. the fact that we have an independent autopsy indicating, supporting of asphyxia as the cause of death. as if there were real questions from what we all saw in the video, it seems very ominous when it shows there was no direct cause to asphyxia and instead we heard all about this, that seems to fly in the face of what we all saw in the video. the bigger problem is now that that case has not been challenged quality from the community, we see the case has been removed and presented to the attorney's office of the state. and i think this is part of the problem and part of why

communities are so frustrated and lashing out in the protests, lashing out in all of the gatherings that they have, because we can't wait for other agencies to come in. some of these solutions have sto start at a local level. what are the decisions that are being made at a local level in our own communities. we have to bring that to the forefront. this whole autopsy coming forward is only shining the light on why we're having so many problems relying on the justice system that needs to be fixed and communities are demanding that that happen right no now. >> with all respect, i think part of the reason that we're having people spill into the streets is because we're being asked not to believe our own eyes. anyone with eyeballs that saw that tape saw the police officer murder george floyd. so the fact that an autopsy was released that suggested

otherwise is asking people to participate in a fiction. and i wonder how you begin the progress of trying to heal a rift or renew trust when the public is being asked not to believe their own eyes. >> well, you have to start by taking action. specific things have to be done, and i think that those specific things have to be done at a local level. we can't rely on the federal government and sometimes even the state government to take action for things that is taking place at a local level. we have to empower communities to be asking themselves about what local law enforcement looks like, and communities are allowed and should be allowed to have a say-so in terms of what public safety looks like for their own communities. the things that people need to be asking is whether or not they have civilian oversight as best practices over their law enforcement agencies. whether or not they have real accountability for their local prosecution. do we still have this discretion that takes place in most of these cases, where we have such clear wrongdoing evidenced in these videos.

and the discretion is given from prosecution to send those cases over to a grand jury, rather than exercising their own discretion. what it feels like is almost a whack-a-mole sense of every week, we get a new case and a new circumstance where it seems as though we can't be in central park. that we can't have a warrant executed with judicial clarity or with fairness. we can't walk along the street or across the street or get arrested in the same ways as other communities for black and brown communities that are at risk. these are things that have to be addressed at a local level, in my opinion. and i think that's the real solution. but there are real steps that communities can be taking. and the fact that we get an autopsy like this, that flies in the face of what we sawall saw the video is exactly the reason that communities are frustrated and exactly the reason that we have to move this discussion into an action that addresses those problems and starts to

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