good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. as many as 300 cities across our country witnessing both peaceful protest and violent looting overnight as president trump threatened to it deploy the military with or without the approval of governors, as america is divided between two visions. the president in the rose garden. >> i will fight to protect you. i am your president of law and order. >> moments later even before the nation's capital was to lockdown under a 7:00 p.m. curfew, mounted park police, secret service and national guardsmen in some cases using tear gas and

excessive force clearing the area for the president to walk out of the white house's gates unannounced across lafayette park and stage a photo-op holding a bible in front of historic st. john's church boarded up after being vandalized the night before. leaders of the church and episcopal diocese have no notice of his decision to use the church as a backdrop for a political statement. >> he cdidn't come to church to pray or offer condolences to those grieving. he didn't come to commit to healing our nation. all of the things that we'lly you would expect and long for from the highest leader in the land. >> that was episcopal bishop marianne budde telling craig melvin earlier about the president's rivals speaking out today in philadelphia. >> a photo-op at one of the most historic churches in the

country, or at least in washington, d.c. we can be forgiven for believing the president is more interested in power than in principle. the president held up the bible of st. john's church yesterday. i just wish he opened it once in a while. >> mean mile in new york city looters vandalized stores from macy's on herald square to the bronx. and protesters were peaceful after an impassioned plea from floyd's younger brother. and the autopsy reporting floyd's death was homicide from asphyxiation. and they released their private autopsy saying it was caused not only by one officer's knee but two others who were blocking george floyd's ability to breathe by compressing his lungs from his back. the family demanding murder charges against all of the

others as well. joining me now, nbc white house correspondent and weekend "today" co-host, kristen welker. figliuzzi, the former assistant of the fbi counterintelligence division and staffer to leon panetta from the cia. kristen, let's talk about the president, the decision first of all to say he's mobilizing the military, which is controversial and ambiguous legally, and his decision to do that walkabout. you were right there. as announced he went out from the gates at lafayette the park and that had been cleared of protesters about a half hour earlier with some controversial moves as far as the mayor is concerned today. >> andrea, rur right. it was a remarkable split screen and series of events. first we were in the rose garden as president trump declared himself the law and order president and threatened to dispatch the military to citizens across the country if governors didn't crackdown and

get tougher and deploy the national guard to prevent protesters from becoming violent. as he was uttering those words, you could hear authorities clearing out protesters in lafayette park, which is just across from the white house. and then the president making that unannounced trip to st. john's church, that historic church here in washington, d.c., holding up a bible and not answering our questions, andrea. i tried to ask him a number of questions about his threat to potentially deploy the military. he would not answer those questions. now, we spoke to a number of sources close to the white house, close to the president, who say part of his decision to do that, andrea, was driven out of frustration by headlines, including the one we reported, initially reported by "the new york times," that the president was taken to an bunker underneath the white house on friday when protests got out of hand. of course, he was only there for a short period of time according

to a white house official but he was growing increasingly frustrated by this image and this narrative that he was essentially out of sight and out of view during this critical moment. the white house says look, the protesters outside of the white house were given three separate warnings they would need to clear out ahead of that 7:00 p.m. curfew, andrea, but we also spoke to some protesters who say they never heard those warnings, andrea. >> in fact, some of our correspondents who were right there said they did not here it. garrett haake was there. he did not hear any warnings as well. jeremy bash, chief of staff at the pentagon and cia, the defense secretary esper, general millie, both publicly supporting the president to the general flanking him as he walked in front of the park to the church. and tell us about the legal issues here, because there is a law from 1978 saying there shouldn't be the use of force

but there are governors asking for it, the use of the military before, rodney king was one notable and president eisenhower, when he send the troops to little rock. >> yes. first of all, andrea, i think we can all agree military-style police tactics like purr cussive grenades and tear gas should never be used to get the president to a photo-op. that's point one. when can military force be used on domestic soil? as you referenced, there's a long-standing tradition, long-standing law on the books that says the military cannot be used to force the law domestically except in very limited circumstances. one of those circumstances may be if there's an insurrection or support local law enforcement. but in our history, andrea, that's only been done in two condition texts. number one is when requested by a governor, and that did happen for example in 1992 during the los angeles riots. or second, by president kennedy, president eisenhower, when it

wasn't requested by a governor but done to enforce a constitutional right by african-americans to attend desegregated schools in the south. it's never been used -- and i don't think it should ever be used to -- to enforce domestic law unilaterally against the will of a governor, particularly to move on peaceful protests. that is an entirely inappropriate use of department of defense resources. >> frank figliuzzi, i wanted to ask you about i fringe groups, the groups who have been violent and have certainly cast a big shadow over the peaceful protests. there was overnight i believe twitter taking down some white supremacist groups who were posing online as antifa and other left wing groups. yet the attorney general and president are focusing -- until yesterday the president did say and other groups, but focusing all of their other statements specifically on the left wing.

>> yeah, we are seeing a politicalization of protests by the white house and the attorney general at precisely the time law enforcement needs to speak the truth to us, the public, about what they're seeing on the ground. my law enforcement sources are saying they're challenge is made more complex by the fact they're feeling pressure, pressure to arrest not only anyone committing violence but perhaps focus their efforts only on certain groups when in reality on the ground, they're seeing the whole spectrum, andrea, from left to far right and particularly they're concerned about the dangerous global anarchist movement who now is being confirmed as -- in certain cities around the country. one of the concerns that was articulated to me was if they round up these most dangerous folks in groups and present them for prosecution, will washington

receive that warmly if they're the wrong group or not the left wing group that they've been pointing to? so it's a complex job. they don't have all of the tools in their toolbox as they say would against international terrorist groups so they've got a very tough time on their hands, particularly as you just said, when the groups are pretend be to be each other. so social media is being weaponized by these groups to essentially trick the public and perhaps even the administration into who's doing this. >> we know this happened in 2016 from foreign actors as well but now it could be foreign as well as domestic players. the i want to ask jeremy, we had the chairman of the joint chiefs in uniform on the streets of d.c. last night. the mayor said today aside from federal properties, which are federally guarded, monuments and the like, on the streets of the city she does not want gun-carrying national guard.

although the national guard is being used to support the d.c. police. and she does not want the articled military. let me ask you about that. how quickly is it for the chairman of the joint chiefs to be walking in uniform on the streets of d.c. in such a situation? >> i think there are many problematic symbols. first of all, i think it should be noted the chairman is not in the chain of command. his role is as a military adviser to the president and secretary of defense. he's not going to be in charge or have a command role of anything with respect to a military operation. if the president wanted to utilize the resources of the department of defense, again, done in concert with a governor, the president would reach out to the secretary of defense and go to the commanding general of u.s. northern command, which is responsible for the homeland continental united states. there's really no role for a chairman here, and i think more broadly, the military can be used to support civil

authorities. it's been done in the context of hurricanes, of tornadoes, certainly during coronavirus to help build mobile medical centers but to use the military in this way when the country is so polarized and so disk i'ded, yes, of course, there's a lot of activity on the streets, vandalism, looting, setting fires that requires a strong and effective law enforcement response. but we've got a very highly capable federal law enforcement set of organizations as well as state and local authorities that i think should be our first, second and third lines of defense. >> jeremy bash, kristen welker, frank figliuzzi, thank you for starting us off today. meanwhile at dawn here in washington, dozens of protesters were leaving the home of one resident, who sheltered more than 60 peaceful demonstrators overnight to protect them from being arrested. they said they were trapped between two streets as

protesters were settling in with nowhere to go. some were arrested and others did shelter inside this good samaritan's home they say after being pepper sprayed. joining me now is raul dubet, who sheltered the protesters in his home last night. tell us what happened. >> andrea, thank you for telling the story of the 70-plus souls seeking shelter in my house. it was a peaceful street i lived on for years. right outside my house, about five houses down, there were about 40 police officers waiting for peaceful protesters that were just walking down swan street. they pinned them in. they had nowhere to go.

i was standing on my steps. a couple people sat on the steps, asked if they could sit sit on the steps? i said sure. couple asked to plug in their cell phone, i said no problem, a few to use the bathroom, no problem. a few asked if they could escape through the aalley because they panned in and wanted to head north of lafayette park. i walked them to the back. and i came outside and was on my stoop in 15 seconds and absolute mayhem and horror broke out. i heard big bang, screaming, pepper spray started flying. my eyes were burning. i started yelling get in the house. there was a sense of human tsunami coming down the street and police beating on people putting faces down on cement. it was happening really fast. i just kept the door open and kids, 20-year-olds, 30-year-olds,ing coughing, running up for about ten minutes, just streaming into the house as fast as they could until the police lined past my

front door and there were no more protesters in the wake and i rushed in the house and locked door. they started spraying pepper spray into the windows. this is the first time i am seeing these videos showing up now now. it's gut-wrenching this is happening. inside for an hour and a half, people are crying. they're throwing milk on their eyes and helping each other and giving each other medical care and the police are taunting them outside. half an hour and a half and day lifted and air deteriorated of the pepper spray, i saw strangers who didn't know each other at all, oppressed, marchly peacefully, all they were seeing 15 seconds before mayhem broke out season the force of the authorities came down was let us through. let us through. it was the last video i took and 15 seconds later, my america changed.

>> let me ask you, just because the police chief raised this issue, were they out after curfew? was that the issue? or were they blocked in and couldn't get home? from your perspective at least, from what you know happened. >> i know what happened. i was talking to people throughout the house on the third floor, bathroom, kitchen 6789 i was asking where they were coming from, how they gotten here with 12, 13 hours to kill. they were up on 14th and w, in this area is much more north from my house right now. they were forced back down on to swan, which was one way. it was a tactical move. then they followed them and pushed them into a police barricade waiting on the other corner of swan. as soon as that block filled, the police unleashed the swell. >> let me ask you, i saw them

coming out at dawn, our local nbc stations were there. how did you take care of folks overnight in your home? >> you know, everyone took care of each other. everyone grabbed their piece of square footage on a hard wood floors, some spots wet with milk, and they all just took care of each other. they helped clean. we ordered pizza. were sharing stories. talking about why they were protesting. intimate stories. a young 22-year-old who has issues with his barenparents an a broken relationship with them and working on it. we got to know each other really well. it was a beautiful display of these souls and brave souls that came together in a time that is unimaginable. andrea, i wish i can put it in words right now. it's too fresh and more importantly one of the last things i said to them as we're leaving out of the house, coordinate efforts to get them out through the back alley and front door was talk to people.

what has happened is traumatic. do not keep it inside. we're here for each other and we are our vulnerabilities. it makes us who we are. you know what happened after that first hour and a half of pure brutality and terror was something beautiful. neighbors started coming and dropping off food, leaving notes. lawyers were calling and offering up advice. the local pizza place, helping to get pizza through a secret alleyway, which was unbelievable, we all kind of came on board when the police were trying to bait us to come outside to arrest these 70-plus people. >> a slice of life during the protests in the midst of a pandemic. we should note in a big city. thank you very much, raul. thank you for talking to us today. >> thank you for having me. coming up -- peaceful protests and despite a curfew,

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insurrection act, last used by president george h.w. bush in 1992 during the l.a. riots sparked by the beating of rodney king by four l.a. police officers. in that case, california's governor had indeed invited the president's action. los angeles mayor eric garcetti joins me now. thank you, mr. mayor. thank you very much for being with us. first, you responded to a threat to push military action on any authorities whether they want it or not. >> we don't want it. we don't need it. and it's the wrong move. this is a moment of leadership that is to unite us, not to inflame us. to give us the common words that say not only, of course, do you need to restore peace but we understand the underlying conditions that have led to people going to the streets and exercising their first amendment rights. we've got to separate these two things. illegal acts are illegal acts. los angeles had a much better night last night. so many incredible stories of police and protesters

coordinating. police leadership taking a knee with protesters, walking with folks. while at the same time we went after a second group of people separate that are looting and seeking to take advantage. you can hold both of those but the president seems to want to merge the two together and pose upon us a militaristic solution, which is part of the problem. we can at the local level listen, get better and restore the peace simultaneously. we do not need it. we do not want it. >> do you have a handle on who these people are, who are the agitators who are transforming the peaceful protests? >> let's be clear, there are two different groups. looters are looters. these are people who are breaking the law, seeing a protest and shaming that protest by taking advantage of americans who are rightfully outraged, who are using their voices to call for change to decide to break into small businesses, local pharmacies and take things. that's different than some agitators who, yes, have thrown

brooks at police officers, nearly killed one here in los angeles with a cracked skull. we keep a careful eye on making sure protesters, 99.9% whom are there during a peace group, are not looped into or lumped into any that would be agitators. for us we know they're not from town but are here in los angeles and we saw some agitators. and police are here to not only protect people's rights but listen to the words they're saying. across the country to do things that we've done in l.a. and we need to do more, banning choke holds, listening to the task force on 21st century policing, and not winding down decrees, our decrees made us better. help us bring in officers who were trained in deescalation, to bring anti-bias training, to look at the prejudice that lives

in all of our hearts while at the same time lift up our officers as police officers and guardians. these things are very difficult but easy answers like calling in the military or inflaming people does nothing. we need justice and leadership. >> i know we heard a very different message from joe biden today. you're connected with the campaign. his message framed a different vision of america. but are you concern that the law and order message is going to appeal to the key battleground states where these elections are won and lost? >> no, we can't stereotype. people look at the justice and quote/unquote battleground state. this is not about red and blue. this is about united states of america and the soul of who we are. joe biden said we have to restore the soul of america. if we didn't see that when george floyd was killed, and for a moment, we had unity, we had good cops. and we had everyday citizens and we had leaders and police chiefs for the first time in our life speak out without a moment of

hesitation saying this was murder. let us capitalize on the unity instead of exploiting and trying to inflame disunity. i'm very proud of what joe biden said today. he called for specific things like banning choke holds, investing in 21st century policing. making sure laws don't protect bad cops to stay on the force for too song, they do a disservice to the community first and foremost, and to every other great police officer out there doing the right thing. if we ever needed to see that contrast, tear gas for photo-op in front of a church for a bible condemned by the leaders of that church versus somebody saying it's time to restore the soul of america and take concrete steps, i think it's never been clear. clearer. >> mr. mayor, thank you so much for being with us today. coming up next -- peacefully protesting in philly and searching for meaningful solutions to combat justice.

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in philadelphia last night massive protests, demonstrators took to the streets, shutting down interstate 676 as police fired tear gas at the crowd. nbc news correspondent morgan radford joins us from philadelphia, where vice president biden just spoke about the protests sweeping the country and accused the president of fanning the flames. morgan, how is the situation right now? i see you're outside city hall. >> that's right, andrea. frankly, the city is on edge after a third consecutive night of protests. you can see the police presence here behind me at city hall but i want to show you if you just look to my left here, this is the largest national guard presence the city has seen thus far. the night before last, this was covered with uniformed police officers. the night before that, there were protesters feeling this area. so now you've seen sort of the police presence and police force

ratcheted up. as we've seen more than 700 arrests since those protests began yesterday. andrea, you probably saw striking images between the encounter of protesters and police officers yesterday in the city. our crew was there as fprotestes were reaching ben franklin bridge and that's when you saw the striking image of protesters looking as if they were being hosed by tear gas. this was exactly the type of confrontation people did not want to see in this city. the protesters had been consistently saying they want a nonviolent protest and they want the focus to stay on justice for george floyd and african-americans who see unjust treatment in this country. andrea? >> morgan radford right there in center city, philadelphia. joining us now, two-time super bowl champion new orleans saints safety malcolm jennings, former philadelphia eagles star, now with the saints, who's back in philadelphia this week. he's been out with the

protesters and has witnessed a lot of what's gone on. and he's, of course, known for activism as co-founder of the group called listen up up media. malcolm, thank you for joining us again. what is your take on what's been happening in the streets, if you can describe your experience. >> i think what i've been experiencing is there's been a ton of peaceful protests where people are trying to be heard, they're asking for the police to show some kind of gesture to let them be heard, to let them know they stand in solidarity with the people there sworn to serve and protect. and then you see the violence and some brought in by other groups. i think those two things are not connected. the disappointing things is oftentimes those two groups get lumped together. i think people are tired, their anger is justified, and they want to be heard. i think it's up to leadership in the city, leadership in the

state and country to make sure they're allowed to be heard and allowing peaceful protests to continue while still maintaining peaceful words. >> one of the things the president said when he was on a call with the governors and arguing with the governors and blaming them and the mayors for not keeping peace and saying he had to assert order and he was going to dominate, he said philly is a mess. many from your perspective, the balance between agitators and those who are violent and the peaceful protesters, rg what have you seen? >> well, i think the first thing -- i think the first thing is you can't address the violence that we see in our streets, the outrage, looting and things like that, without first addressing the issues that everybody is out on the streets for, and that's police brutality and long history of disenfranchising and marginalizing black communities. so before we start to talk about property and all of the things that are happening on the

streets, we must first get a message that we will not stand and we will not condone brutality from the police force. until that is the first priority, people will continue to be on the streets, people will continue to make their voices heard. unfortunately we have not seen that leadership from the top down. >> indeed. i know you're working on a documentary "black boys" in production. we look forward to seeing that. to yours and other well-known athletes joining this call for national action, call for conversation. so thank you so much, malcolm. thanks again for being here today. >> thank you, andrea. thank you. coming up next -- religious leaders condemn the president's photo-op at st. john's church saying it's the exact opposite of what jesus would do. father james martin joins me next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. deposit checks, check balances,

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revoting. a bible not a prop. a church is not a photo-op 6789 religion not a tool. god is not your play thing. father martin is here and marianne b marianne budde, episcopal bishop in washington, d.c. thank you for being here. first, we're told this was preapproved, that the archbishop of the diocese was aware a while back. >> apparently not because the archbishop this morning condemned it as baffling and reprehensible and saying it is amazing to him a shrine would be used in that way and a religious site would be manipulated in that way. so he clearly thought of it in the same way that the bishop, episcopal bishop, objected to the use of her church or the

dioceses' church, as a photo-op. i wonder sometimes does he know what john paul stood for? he worked with protesters when the solidarity opened in poland, does i know jesus talks about blessed are the peacemakers? these are apparently just photo-ops where he's using religion and religious imagery to bolster his political situation. >> father, i apologize because i assumed since it was on his schedule, unlike what he did last night, that this had been worked out with the archdiocese. i have to confess to being shocked by that. i should have known. that is my error. to bishop budde, i listened to you last night when you first expressed your outrage. let's talk about what happened at st. john's, which took all of us and certainly a lot of the peaceful protesters cleared from

lafayette square, with no notice before the cure few had taken place, which mayor bowser had objected to as well. >> it's the entire scenario, starting from his very worrisome militaristic remarks at the rose garden threatening military force to any state that he doesn't seem adequately responding to the protests, then having the park and the front of the church courtyard cleared with tear gas and officers in riot gear and then standing before the church holding our sacred text as if they were symbols that he could appropriate to bolster his -- or to vindicate or to authorize his political end statements and positions, and we just felt -- i mean the real outrage is what's

happened in our country. the real outrage is the racial violence that has been perpetrated against people of color for generations, but to use the symbols and the sacred spaces of our tradition to justify or to bolster his positions were something we had to address immediately and disassociate ourselves from completely. >> father martin, you were certainly very active last night speaking out. tell me more about the archdiocese position and why it is so deeply offensive to you to have -- to have pope john paul ii's legacy, spiritual legacy, used in this political fashion. >> i think as the bishop was saying having anyone's spiritual house of worship or legacy used in that way is incomprehensible.

to look at somebody like john paul, who stood up and said racism is a sin -- i found a quote from him from 2001 where he said, "love for one's country is a value but it can turn into" -- listen to this" -- the forms of nationalism, racism and xenophobia. in other words, what's being proclaimed by the actions of the president is in direct opposition to what saint john paul had talked about. again, these symbols are being used for political purposes. i found last night holding up the bible after you dispersed a crowd of peaceful protesters with tear gas to go there and stay we have the greatest country in the world while holding up a bible i thought was antithetical to everything jesus stood for. >> i agree. absolutely.

>> of course, go ahead, bishop. >> no, it's everything -- everything that the bible teaches about love of neighbor, love of god, striving for justice, respecting the dignity of all people was used in a way, calculated way, to say tha god was in some ways savoring or supporting a position that is antithetical to the teachings of jesus tonight god revealed in both the hebrew, jewish and christian tradition. >> and saint john paul ii, saint john paul, of course, was not only the leader of solidarity but i know his ministry here when he was in denver, i remember covering him in denver as well when he was on his way to south korea for the youth ministry, where he represented in every way father martin was

so different from what we were seeing today. >> absolutely. you know, the church is what's called the preferential option for the poor. pope saint paul vi, john paul's predecessor, said if you want peace, work for justice. as bishop budde was saying, it's not just saying what the marginalized did as jesus did, it's the system that keep them poor and marginalized. this is said over and over by pope john paul ii over and over again. to use his legacy and church and the bible and jesus as a prop without understanding what their messages were is i think complete hypocrisy. >> i would also like to say -- >> bishop budde, is there anything the community -- go ahead. >> again, speaking to the community, speaking to our

nation, speaking to rising generations who are looking for hope, for a possibility, for real reform and real change, one of the things i think both father martin and i agree with is we believe our spiritual communities and institutions are on the side of that movement and on that dream for justice and equality and dignity. and that is where we're called and that is where we will stand. >> i thank you both. i apologize for the delays and some interruptions. but thank you so much for your message. i do appreciate you joining us here today. and up next -- pulitzer prize nominated playwright, outspoken activist anna devers smith, on the deeper issues behind the protests next. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer,

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in chicago, widespread looting overshadowed peaceful protesting on monday, with shattering of store fronts in many declaring seven illinois counties a disaster zone. trump slammed governors for their weak response, his words, to the response. governor pritzker fired back. >> i have been extraordinarily concerned about the way rhetoric has been used by you. it's been inflammatory, and it's not okay for that officer to choke george floyd to death. we called out our national guard and our state police but the rhetoric that's coming out of the white house is making it worse. >> okay, well thank you, very much, jb. i don't like your rhetoric much either. i think you could have done a much job, frankly. >> joining me now is anna

deavere smith, playwright, activist. going back nationally to her iconic work "twilight," her one person play about the l.a. riots following the acquittal of the officers who had beaten rodney king. as you focus on what's happening across our nation today, how can we get our arms around this split view of protests, multiracial protests, multigenerational protests and then what is really a minority of violent looters, criminals and all this in the middle of a pandemic and a national political campaign that could be the most important election in any of our lives? >> so how do we get our arms around it? is that the question? how do we get our arms around it? >> how do you make sense of it? how do we understand what's going on in the country?

>> i mean, i think that as a hopeaholic, i think we have opportunities here. i'm very happy to be following bishop martin and budde because i've always felt that we need a growth of our moral imagination. our moral imagination is not as robust and as healthy as it could be, whether that's through religion or in my case, i would say through art or through education. you know, so we're seeing all kinds of pivots here where we can look at that. on the one hand we have a president who is very far from where we are. on the other hand today, joe biden is calling for a caring president. when i look at local leaders, when we saw the chief of police in minneapolis take a knee. when we see how some of the mayors are talking to each other, talking to the press, talking to the president and the governors. i think that there's a

collection of greater -- we forget what happened before. and so we just kind of spin around and what we have to remember is we're upset right now, but will we be upset in a year? upset enough to get at the core of what the problem is? >> how can artists inform us and help us see a broader vision, what you do with your work? >> i'm a little bit conservative about how i talk about art because, for example, i was thinking this morning about how it took 120 years to pass anti-lynching legislation in this country. it didn't happen until february of this year with the emmett till anti-lynching act. so we need legislation. i would never speak for medicine. that obviously needs to intervene where there's disproportionality in care. but what we can do as artists is

create objects or events around which people can gather and reflect and agree and disagree. that's what i would say. and art is often asking what it means to be human. and we, obviously, need to rethink that right now. >> how do you deal with the appeal of law and order to people who are desperate, unemployed, angry, fearful of the pandemic? it just seems as though all kinds of anxieties are coming together at one -- in one terrible place. >> i mean, i would never -- i think i cut you off. i'm not sure. i wouldn't generalize far out in the street if i found out in los angeles everybody -- there would be several different motives. people would probably even call what's going on different things. somebody might call it a riot. somebody might call it a protest.

somebody might call it a revolution. that's what i love to do is to go and find out what people think they're doing and why. >> do you see analogies to what happened with rodney king? >> i do. and one of the things -- definitely. i mean, one of the things i want to mention, though, is i think back on going to los angeles. you know, the police officers that i talk to said that the beating of rodney king happened because a choke-hold had been taken away, banned in the '80s so they were forced to beat him so much with that baton. so is the question, for example, what the use of force is? or is there something deeper inside of what police departments are in relationship to our communities and in relationship to government, right? maybe there's something -- it's not, is it just the use of force? it seems it's much more. >> indeed. thank you so much, anna deavere

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good afternoon on the east coast. good morning to our friends in the west. i'm chuck todd. more than one week since the killing of george floyd. most demonstrations have been peaceful as tens of thousands of americans take to the streets. troubling reports of vandalism and property destruction remain common as well. police tactics are turning more drastic and aggressive. president trump who has referred to violent protesters as thugs and low-life scum once again called for their, quote, domination by the military today. and new york's democratic governor andrew cuomo also had his share of criticism for the leadership in his state's largest city. >> the nypd and the mayor did not do their job last night. i believe that. use the police. protect property and people. look at the videos. it was