♪ well, a good late morning out west and a good afternoon here in the east. i am chuck todd. president trump spoke today following better-than-expected jobs number for the month of may. he said the economy would be better than a v shape, calling it a rocket ship, a claim that does not reflect the reality of this situation of this unexpected good news today. another number worth noting, we have now crossed 109,000 deaths of coronavirus here in the united states. the president also invoked the memory of george floyd today after calling for governors to bring in the national guard to, quote, dominate the streets. >> we all saw what happened last

week. we can't let that happen. hopefully george is looking down right now and saying, it is a great thing that is happening for our country, there's a great day for him, it is a great day for everybody. it is a great day for everybody. this is a great, great day in terms of equality. it is really what our constitution requires and it is what our country is all about. joining me now is my co-anchor for the next two hours, katy tur. not surprised that the president is ecstatic about getting that better-than-expected number. we are going to go right into this and let's go back to the unexpectedly positive job numbers out today, showing in may the u.s. economy added 2.5 million jobs. additionally the unemployment rate fell down to 13.3%. look, that's extremely high but the fact it fell is a big deal, surprising when you see the week-to-week numbers because tens of millions still remain

out of work. obviously the president celebrated this news with a press conference this morning before departing for the state of maine. >> the numbers are great, and this leads us on to a long period of growth. we'll have the greatest -- we will go back to having the greatest economy anywhere in the world, nothing close. i think we are going to have a very good upcoming few months. >> joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. peter, after what has been probably the president's worst week politically, i get why he was, shall we say, a bit overexuberant about these numbers? i mean he sort of reacted the way a starving person might react to a cracker like, oh, my god, it is the best cracker i have ever had. i get why he's ecstatic, but it is still not a great economic picture. >> reporter: yes, certainly it gave the president something to chew on and he was going to try to take advantage of it here. recognize for the president, the

biggest political asset he has had to this point had been the strength of the economy, his reelection hopes, he and his allies acknowledge, is based on its ability to rebound. so it was no surprise with little warning the president announced he would be delivering remarks in the rose garden there. you played one of the key sound bites where the president and his comments effectively made it sound as if the economic issues and the issues with the pandemic are now behind us and saying that george floyd, hopefully, he is looking down at us right now and effectively saying that things are good, happy, satisfied with what he has seen. i shouted a question to the president where i said, how is this a good day for george floyd? how is the economic situation, the improvement benefit george floyd? the president has had no answers as relates to the issue of race relations, and police brutality as we witnessed over the course of last several weeks spurring, igniting these protests around the country. at one point the president in the rose garden was asked by one of my colleagues what his plan was, what he was planning to do

to deal with systemic racism in the united states. he didn't answer, and then when he did answer he said his strong plan was a strong economy, as if that alone would make everything else go away. today the president also getting some tough criticism from one of his former allies, his former chief of staff, john kelly, who rushed to the defense of another retired marine general, that, of course, is jim mattis. kelly saying that he agreed with mattis who said that the president was the first president in his lifetime who was focused on dividing americans, not uniting them. take a listen. >> i think we need to look harder at who we elect. i think we should start, all of us, regardless of what our views are in politics, i think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter, are they -- what is their character like, what is their -- what are their ethics, are they willing, if

they're elected, to represent all of their constituents, not just the base. >> reporter: really some stunning words there from one of the people who was closest to the president barely a year ago, his former chief of staff. as for that photo-op, remember, it was only a few days ago on monday. john kelly said were he still here he would have argued against it, chuck and katy, saying that tend result in his words was predictable. >> yeah. peter alexander getting us started. thank you. just so you know, katy and i plan on diving deeper on understanding this jobs report later, but, katy, over to you. >> chuck, there's another disturbing story today. new york governor andrew cuomo says the erie county district attorney is looking at potential criminal charges for two officers captured on video shoving a 75-year-old protester in buffalo, new york. the incident was caught on video thursday, and we should warn you that it is disturbing.

>> move! >> hey! >> move! >> hey! >> he is bleeding! >> what are you doing? he's bleeding out of his ear! >> waugh canhat you can't see i video is there is blood coming out of the man's ear. there is another angle where you can audibly hear the smack on the ground when his head hits the ground. as of this morning the man is in serious but stable condition at the erie medical center. police sent out a press release saying the man tripped and fell at the protest. the officers involved have now been suspended without pay, and buffalo police are expected to hold a news conference at 1:30

local time. chuck, there's a number of problems with what we saw. number one, that they pushed this man, and it is quiet. it doesn't seem like there's a may lay goi melee going on there. two, number one, everyone around watched this thing, didn't do anything until he was lying there until a gentleman in military fatigues went down and started to -- to take a look at him. but, number three, what happened with the police department that they thought it was okay to send out a press release that the man tripped and fell? thank god there was video that showed that he did not trip and fall. >> yes. >> how do you do that as a police force? that calls into question every single press release we read from police departments that describe a situation. we're expected to take their word for it. thank god there's video showing that that didn't happen. what happens though in the other cases where there is not video?

how might george floyd's arrest been described in a press release had somebody not been there to take video of it? >> and that's the thing. i mean this is the -- the biggest complaint, you know, when we talk about one of the big debates we're going to have is getting rid of qualified immunity for police officers, and it is a culture that there's this "you can't ever admit fault, you have to rally, you have to protect, you know, the brotherhood." i peen just look at the video itself. there was one -- the second most disturbing image after they fell is the police officer that prevents another police officer from checking on the man. there's a point where he bends down, there's an officer -- >> the one officer looks over and didn't do anything. >> right. but one was about to. it was like one guy grabbed him like he was grabbing -- like you might grab your little kid when your au li

you're like, whoa, get out of the road, son. grabbed him like, no. what is amazing is that of all weeks to behave this week, you would think that every law enforcement official in the country is thinking differently this week, at least you might hope. >> yes. tremaine summed it up well on twitter from what we saw, from tripped and fell to suspended without pay. let's go to minnesota. we are going to get into that story more a little later, but let's go to minnesota right now. nbc news has obtained the personnel files for the four former minneapolis police officers charged in connection with george floyd's death. the files are heavily redacted and come a day after three of the officers appeared in court on thursday, the same day as floyd's memorial service. lawyers for two of the men now claim their clients tried to express concern over how floyd was detained, telling the court they questioned derek chauvin's actions. nbc's steve patterson is outside the minneapolis first precinct with the latest.

steve. >> reporter: yes, and those two officers you were mentioning are alexander king and thomas lane specifically. the attorneys for both of them not only argued that at some point eventually they tried to help, but also that they are both rookies, both almost you could say green as grass, one of them, lane, the attorney says started maybe four days, had been on the force for maybe four days. the other one, king, it was his third shift. not only that, but as you mentioned, tried to help in some way, tried to raise concerns. it is believed that lane, according to the attorneys, performed cpr once they got him into the emergency vehicle and that king, you know, expressed to chauvin as his neck is being ground down into the ground by that ankle, by that knee, that maybe we should flip the suspect over at some point. however, prosecutors looked at this evidence and they're

basically saying that this is not good enough, that there could have been more opportunities for them to jump in and help before the man obviously died. so, you know, haven't had a chance to really speak to protesters about this and people on the street, but obviously they feel like, you know, this needs to be pushed as far as justice can go, to the fullest extent of the law. so nobody is happy here, to be very clear. nobody is happy here until they see convictions. meanwhile, the city council has been talking about dismantling the minneapolis police department. the city council president was talking about maybe going to something more of like a social, wholistic situation or circumstance for the department. in other words maybe instead of police responding and being first responders to everything, maybe it is a social worker, maybe it is a medic as the situation warrants. they're going to talk about that today. there is a city council meeting today where they will talk about progressing that legislation and

maybe push init througing it th also talking about a ten-year investigation looking at a pattern of possible racist incidents in the minneapolis police department. that's all today. we'll send it back to you. >> wow, steve patterson. steve, thank you. chuck, let's give the two officers the benefit of the doubt and say they did raise concerns while they were arresting and while the knee was on the neck of george floyd. what does that say about the culture of the police department where two new recruits are not able to stop somebody with more -- a more senior place within the force from killing someone? >> look, katy, we just in some ways -- just, you know, talked a similar conversation with the buffalo police department. >> yeah. >> i think that this is -- this is what feels as if is the virus. it is this culture in particular which has made it -- i think is

what stands in the way of the reform attempts that have tried to take place over the last ten years, because you still have this sort of culture that covers up stuff, that, oh, let's turn the body cameras off now, or, oh, whoops, i forgot to turn them off, yeah, we forgot to turn them off, and you have those. there's too many of those stories for you not to wonder, this appears to be a cultural issue we have to figure out, police departments have to figure out how to break. let's move forward here. president trump is defending the use of the flying national guard helicopters to break up protesters in the nation's capital. it was an action now under investigation by the d.c. national guard. "the associated press" reports two defense department officials says the president ordered military aircraft to fly above the demonstrators monday night as a, quote, show of force. a growing number of military leaders are speaking out against the president, latest is a four star navy admiral retired, william mcraven, on msnbc's

"morning joe." >> trust me, every man and woman in uniform recognizes we are all-americans, and the last thing they want to do as military men and women is to stand in the way of a peaceful protest. that's just not right! you're not going to use, whether it is a military or the national guard or law enforcement, to clear peaceful american citizens for the president of the united states to do a photo-op. there is nothing, you know, morally right about that. >> now more than 700 soldiers from the army's 82nd airborne division were sent back to ft. bragg, north carolina, from washington after a back and forth between the secretary of defense and the president on those troops. joining us, we have exclusive access to some of the soldiers, courtney. >> that's right, chuck. yesterday we were right there when the solders from the 82nd airborne found out they were going back home to ft. bragg. they came in on monday of a quick turn around of a

deployment. they were told they would be here in case they needed active duty troops to respond to the ongoing civil unrest in d.c. sunday night was a violent night here in c.d.. there was looting, there were protesters who burned a national park service building. >> look, we need to get some -- the pentagon decided we need to get some troops in here. they didn't want to actually have to send active duty troops into d.c., but they knew they couldn't get national guard troops, additional forces here, fast enough if there was another violent night on monday night. the 82nd airborne was here monday night followed by mps and additional soldiers from fort riley and then the old guard soldiers here based in d.c. already. all were put on a quick deployment order should the president invoke the insurrection act. yesterday the pentagon decided to send the troops home. they believe that the protests

in d.c. can now be handled by the national guard troops who are there, the local law enforcement and the federal law enforcement who are there in d.c. i spent some time out in lafayette park last night. actually, we were the first news organization to get access to the inside-the-wire, on the other side of where the protesters are. there were dozens and dozens of dozens of law enforcement officials waiting should it be another violent night of protest, but, of course, last night it wasn't. one thing i was really struck bibi speaki by by speaking to the mps and soldiers was the consistent message they didn't want active troops to respond in d.c. i heard it not just from the young mps brought in from around the country but from army leadership. we have some of that sound here. >> reporter: are you relieved at all that the active duty forces weren't called into the city? >> absolutely. >> reporter: why? >> we didn't want that to happen. the u.s. army active personnel, we don't -- we don't police the

american streets. we protect america. >> as a u.s. military we never want to deploy in the united states, whether it is for hurricane relief or anything else because it means americans are hurting, and it is not why we do this. we don't want americans to hurt. so we're happy to be going home. >> reporter: katy and chuck, the second person we heard from there, the colonel, he is a colonel of the 82nd airborne. to give you perspective, on december 31stst, new year's eve, they got a call saying there's embassies in iraq, u.s. embassies in danger, you guys have to be on a plane in 18 hours. they were on a plane in 18 hours and went to iraq without question. yesterday he told me they did not want to respond to the civil unrest in d.c. it just gives you a sense that, you know, this is -- the military sees this as a national guard issue. it is what the national guard in many ways is really established for, to deal with not just civil unrest but local issues, to support local law enforcement.

but i was struck by the tone that these soldiers, by what i was hearing from them yesterday all throughout the mp forces who were here, katy and chuck. >> courtney, i have to ask you about the helicopter show of force the other night and now that we're learning that, i guess, the order came from the president. would that have gone -- i mean do we know how that would have gone through the pentagon to the d.c. national guard? do we have an idea of how that order would have made its way through to sending that order to the helicopter pilots to do what they did? >> reporter: so the d.c. guard is different than the rest of the country, as you probably know, chuck, because there's no governor here, right. >> right. >> reporter: so the secretary of the army is actually -- over sees the d.c. national guard. of course, there's general walker who is the commanding general of the d.c. national guard. so it is a different chain of command and structure than we would see. now, i asked secretary esper about that specific instance of

at least one or more of these d.c. national guard lakota helicopters flying low over the city monday night. i asked him about that on tuesday, we had an exclusive interview with him. he said that he had ordered the army to conduct an inquiry to find out exactly how that happened. i asked him specifically, were they intended to be a show of force, and he completely denied that. he said, no, that was not the case. so we'll see -- we'll see what happens when the investigation finally comes to light. >> yes. well, that first denial has not held up very well. courtney kube with the pentagon. courtney, thank you. katy, over to you. i'm just reading the faa guidelines for how low an aircraft can be and it is 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle. basically 1,000 feet above any open-air assembly, and that was well under 1,000 feet. coming up, today would have been breonna taylor's -- go ahead. >> no, we have to go to break. we will do it after the break. sorry.

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you're looking right now at live pictures of a protest in hoboken, north carolina, right across the river from new york city. demonstrations are planned across the country today, and people are demanding justice for breonna taylor, who would have turned 27 years old.

today was her birthday. the louisville emt was shot and killed by police in march after a no-knock warrant was executed at her home while she slept. according to a wrongful death lawsuit by taylor's family, her boyfriend, a licensed gun owner, opened fire on the officers thinking they were intruders. police have said the officers involved identified themselves. the officers have not been charged and were reassigned pending the outcome of an ongoing investigation. last week louisville moved ahead approving brie breonna's law. it is a proposal to limit no-new yono- knock warrants. let's go to louisville with cal perry is live where the protests are about to begin. >> reporter: hey, katy.

so much of the frustration in the city, even though the mayor put an end to no-knock warrants and said body cameras have to be worn, they weren't worn as early as monday morning when david mac atee on the west side of town was shot dead. two police officers from the louisville police department didn't have their cameras on. two national guardsman were part of the fire fight. when you have layers of concern like in the breonna taylor case, how did police end up at her door if the suspect was in custody, if he was detained early in the day, why did they not have body cameras on, why was the only warrant for that apartment is that she may have received mail. when they get there, there was no mail and no drugs. it is that concern, along with the fact it would have been breonna's 27 rth birthday. one of the things that has

changed in the city is the national guard has gone away. they're not visible. that has kept things peaceful for the last 72 hours. we will see how they react tonight, katy. >> cal perry is in louisville. thank you very much. chuck, over to you. >> a little bit of breaking news here. "the associated press" is reporting negotiations for the city of minneapolis agreed with the state to ban the use of choke holds by police and require police to report and intervene any time they see an unauthorized use of forth by another officer. those laws of other officer being held accountable if they don't intervene is something you will see a lot of police -- a lot of local governments institute. let me bring in kristen clark, president and executive director of the lawyers committee for civil rights. i want to start specifically -- welcome, by the way. i want to start specifically with the louisville situation and breonna taylor. why do -- i mean you hate to say it this way, kristin clark, but

it feels like we are a little late to be getting some justice here for breonna taylor, some attention for what happened here. would we be here without the attention that was given to ahmaud arbery or george floyd? >> i don't think so. we wouldn't be here if it weren't for the videos that have opened up this gaping wound of police violence that has been playing out across our country for far too long. people are saying, enough is enough and it is time that we confront these crimes, it is time that officers stop killing people with impunity. it is time that we hold these people accountable when they take lives without basis. breonna taylor is absolutely heartbreaking and devastating, a woman who was a frontline worker, who served her community proudly, who was asleep in her own bed when she was shot eight times by police officers. for us to be here weeks later with no justice, no

accountability whatsoever for the officers who pulled that gun, able to sleep in their bed at night, is incredibly unsettling. today breonna taylor should be with her family and community, celebrating her birthday, and instead they are out pursuing justice, which is long overdue. >> are these reforms that louisville is taking here on body camera footage trying to up -- make no-knock warrants sort of a more extreme thing that you would decide to use only in more limited circumstances and get more approval, are those the right reforms to pursue or does something else need to be done in louisville? >> they're baby steps. i want to give them credit for beginning to open up a conversation about what robust, comprehensive police reform looks like, but there's still a long way to go. we need a-to-z reform to change the culture of how policing

plays out in our country. it is not just the written policies, but it is also changing the color. in too many -- at the culture. in too many communities we see law enforcement exhibiting this warrior mentality when it comes to how they engage with communities. there is a war under way, and its inclination to use violence, especially when it comes to interactions with african-americans, we need more of a guardian mentality, officers who deem themselves to be protectors of the community. we need to deal with racial bias that sadly infects the ranks of policing in many departments in our country. so we're just starting to open up a conversation, but there's still a very long way to go. we need to deal with choke holds. we need to deal with how we create a database to track officers so that they can't be purged from one police department and then quickly hired over in another. there's still a long way to go in terms of figuring out how we

achieve that a-to-z overhaul. >> kristin clark, i am going to leave it there but i feel like you gave a pretty long to-do list of where we can get start. we shall see how many communities pursue some of the reforms. kristin clark, thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective with us. katy, over to you. chuck, up next, unemployment drops and the u.s. gained a surprising 2.5 million jobs in may despite the coronavirus pandemic. we're going to dive into those numbers and why it might be too soon to call it a rebound. you're watching msnbc. doctor r. eliquis is proven to treat and help preventoctor r. another dvt or pe blood clot. almost 98 percent of patients on eliquis didn't experience another, and eliquis has significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. don't stop eliquis unless your doctor tells you to. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding.

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some suppliesirprising goodn the u.s. jobs report. 2.5 million jobs were gained in the month of may. unemployment dropped to 13.3%, despite predictions it would be at 20%. after today's report former vice president joe biden had this to say a few moments ago. >> today, like all americans, i'm truly glad to see that

2.5 million americans have gotten their jobs back. for those families, that's a sigh of relief. i was disturbed, however, to see the president crowing this morning, basically hanging a mission-accomplished banner out there, when there's so much more work to be done. so many americans are still hurting. >> joining us now from philadelphia, nbc senior business correspondent and msnbc anchor stephanie ruhle. stephanie, is this -- is this a product of a successful ppp? is this what this tells us, that that program -- this is why we're not at 20% today? >> reporter: in some part, yes. remember, paycheck protection program. the idea of the whole $600 billion small business program was to pay this money to small businesses. they would funnel that money to

their employees to stop them from laying them off while we're on this sort of temporary hold during coronavirus. so, yes, that's definitely one of the reasons for this positive boost. another positive element, basically take a look at what has happened over the last few months, and the fact that we had huge lay-offs in the beginning an sort of mid april at the height of the state shutdowns is when we saw it at the worst, and now we're starting to see a recovery, which is natural because we're reopening. >> okay. so is this -- obviously the president said, oh, this is a "v", and i have seen some other of the president sort of go-to economists, even more of those going it is a "b" with a shot. is this a "w" or is this a "v"? >> reporter: this is not a "v". it is a "v" for the stock market, and the stock market is completely different from the economy. the stock market isn't even representative of all publicly traded companies. the stock market is basically an

index of the biggest, most successful companies that are actually thriving through coronavirus. what we're seeing are the beginning signs of a recovery that, again, is fuelled through ppp, through the fed interjection. but come on, chuck, you cannot possibly say -- i mean the president today referencing george floyd, saying he's looking down and he's happy. i'm pretty sure -- well, i can't speak obviously for george floyd, but i would think that george floyd would consider unemployment for african-americans, which went up, over 16%, we know that between february and may almost 20% of black women lost their jobs, and all of that speaks to one of the reasons we've seen the social unrest in the last week. the economic inequality, the education inequality in this country has shown that people that have those lowest wage service jobs are the ones who missed out and who doesn't have access to those jobs? most oftentimes people living at or below the poverty line. >> stephanie ruhle in

philadelphia for us. stephanie, thank you. you know, katy, politically in this town what this does is, for better or worse, i think the house democrats thought that a bad jobs report would sort of shake senate republicans to start negotiating about a next round. i have a feeling now, given this news, which mitch mcconnell's stance has been, hey, let's way to see how it is playing out, this could really slow down negotiations for whatever the next phase looks like. >> yes, but if you talk to economists -- and obviously with what stephanie just said -- you can't rely on just this one report to say that things are just going to continue to get better. >> right. >> and i'll dive into the numbers as stephanie just did, black employment has increased as white employment is down. that's a major issue, especially right now with everything that this country is going for. >> i know. >> chuck, let's go to maine. the president is moments away from arriving in that state, in

maine, where he will tour a plant manufacturing coronavirus testing supplies. this morning he was heavily focused, as we saw, on bolstering his republican allies, as we saw on twitter at least, firing off over 100 tweets, 120 tweets or retweets in just one hour alone. the president has also targeted republicans who have spoken out against him in recent days like senator lisa murkowski, noticeably absent from his visit to maine today though is the state senator, republican senator susan collins, someone else the president has faced off with in the past. she is also someone who faces an uphill reelection battle this fall. joining us now is msnbc national political reporter josh letterman from bangor, maine. josh, what does it look like there and who will be greeting the president? >> reporter: yeah, katy, this is a very different kind of protest than we've seen in other parts of the country because, make no

mistake, it is a black lives matter protest, george floyd very much on the minds of folks we are talking to here, but there's also a much sharper focus on president trump himself as the largest newspaper in the state calls for him to resign. i want to show you some of the signs we're seeing here as we're at this protest, awaiting air force one which is making its way here toward bangor. had folks complaining about the fact that trump backed into the bumper at the white house as nbc news and others reported. i want you to see this protest sign we have over here, mocking the president's use of the bible as a prop when he paid the visit to the church the other day. people are very focused on president trump's behavior as he comes and visits the state. katy, this protest here has been very peaceful. there's some spiritual leaders speaking on stage, but in gilford where the president will be speaking shortly, there's another protest there, the sheriff warning that he's concerned about violence both from the protesters and from pro-trump counterprotesters. katy. >> josh letterman with some

socially distanced protesters there. josh, thank you very much. chuck, over to you. coming up, there have been protests in arkansas over the death of george floyd when prompted the governor to delay a state of emergency there. this as arkansas is seeing a bit of a spike in coronavirus cases. governor hutchinson joins us after the break. you're watching msnbc. c. this is my body of proof. proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis...

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right now are live protests from both coasts of this country, one in los angeles on a beach there as you can see, another one in hoboken, new jersey, just across the river from new york city. these protests have been raising concerns about potential further spread of the coronavirus. so let's take a look at where the country currently stands with the pandemic. cases in the northeast have been declining in recent weeks while other parts of the country, including the south and west, have seen the number of cases there continue to rise. florida has recorded three straight record days of covid cases, bringing the statewide total to more than 60,000. in arkansas the state's emergency declaration for coronavirus is still in effect through the middle of june. arkansas saw one of its highest single-day totals of covid cases yesterday. 358 additional people tested positive for the virus. that brings the total to more than 8,000 confirmed cases.

over 150 people have died there. joining us now is arkansas governor asa hutchinson. governor, thank you for joining us today. i want to dive right into it. are you concerned about the rise in cases in your state? does that indicate that maybe the worst is not yet over for arkansas? >> well, it is a continued cause of concern in terms of we're increasing our testing that results if more cases that are out there, which is helpful to us to identify where the spread could be. but the people of arkansas, just as across the nation, they're ready to get back to business, more of a normal existence. but we have to constantly, constantly remind people to protect yourselves and others against the spread of this virus. so we've got to do two things at the same time. one is to continue to open up our economy, to get back to normal to a certain extent, but

at the same time do not forget about this virus because it still kills people. so while we're still very manageable level in arkansas, we have relatively low death rates, hospitalization rates, but we still want to watch it very closely to make sure that it doesn't continue to increase. >> governor, is there a pattern that you are seeing in this rise? is it coming from a specific area? i know you guys have some meat packing plants, stuff like that. is this -- is it coming from a few hot spots or has this been spread out around the state? >> and that actually is why i'm not as worried about it as i ordinarily would be, because we can identify where it is, why it is happening and we're taking the steps to manage that. if you ask for a pattern, the pattern is really there's no pattern. if you look at every state, every state's trend line is different. you look within arkansas, we have five public health regions

in arkansas and everybody's trend line is different. they're at different stages in the spread of this virus, and we're trying to make sure we manage it, manage the risk. >> so do you have any -- governor, do you have any moves ready to go if this does get out of control, if it spreads throughout the state more evenly and isn't such a patchwork? are you ready to roll back some of the openings, close down restaurants and the like if you need to? >> actually, that's a very interesting point because as we do our contact tracing, we're able to see what's the reason for the increased number of cases, and it is not going back to places that we lifted restrictions. the gyms, the restaurants, the beauty salons, that's really not what we're identifying as the reason for the spread. so that's encouraging to us. i don't expect us to roll that back. the steps that we take are continued emphasis on the

contact tracing, identify it, deal with it, isolate it, and keep doing business. >> governor, i saw that you participated and i think some teachers participated in a black lives matters protest. you participated with them. why you did, number one? what message were you trying to send and are there some reforms you would like to see the state of arkansas put in when it comes to police reform? >> well, first of all, lais niglast night we had a very good night. we had wonderful, peaceful demonstrations and protests. there was no violence or destruction of property. it was a great balance. today it is important for me as governor to listen, and so i went to an educators' rally that dealt with both the issues of violence and racism, but also education. it was sponsored by 100 black

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arbery. turning now to capitol hill, this week -- this would have been a bigger news story, but we had a lot of other things to cover. rod rosenstein went on capitol hill to defend his decision to appoint robert mueller as the special counsel during thell russia investigation, all this during a senate judiciary committee hearing where he was invited tomm testify. that hearing likely just the first of many as the republican led committeeas carries out its promise to investigate the investigators and the origins of the russia probehe itself.

joining us is a former u.s. attorney chuck rosenberg. much it's a story that we probably would have covereda a lot more thoroughly earlier this week given the current news environment. it was interesting if you only watched it through the press releases from different senators. you would think youro didn't wah the same hearing. what is your it understanding of the hearing? >> your observation, chuck, goes to the point i want to make that it is a bit of a roar shack test people see in this hearing and investigation writ large. what it is theyve want to see. for me, nothing much changed. the investigation was well founded, fully predicated. and it is a remarkable dereliction of duty not to investigate a number of things including russian interference in our election process. and whether or not anybody on thed trump campaign had conspid with russians to interfere. you know, the mueller report,

more than e 400 pages, is a detailed, factual recitation of what they found and what they didn't find. and i can't imagine not asking someone to look at what they looked at. that would have been a dereliction. wha zblfr it's interesting. not clear whether robert mueller is going to be asked to testify here. and i guess it's if you're going to thoroughly investigate this, you would. it does look like there is sort of selective invitations going out because it seems like there is a one point that wants to be made as, you know, the investigators and the fbi side, they madefb some mistakes. therefore, pay no attention to the rest ofth the investigation. >> just backing up one step from there, chuck, if you want to thorough thoroughly investigate it, you wouldn't do i in this political environment. they're calling witnesses when they believe they can make political points. if you want to investigate it, you can lookt at what the

inspector general did. that is a fairly thorough, you know, recitation of what happened and who did what and who did what when and what can be fixed. the senate judiciary committee is controlled by republicans. just a fact. and they're going to call people who they think can make political points for the republican party. that's a fact too. i don't meent an to cast aspers, but if you want to investigate the investigation that, is not the place to do it. >> what other sort of thing that i feel like got lost here, chuck, is there still seems to be no interest apparently in trying to find out and trying to get to the bottom who have stole the e-mails from the dnc and who helped curate them and deliver it. that part of this investigation, everybody is like pay no attention to that part. that gets in theio way of this other narrative that is being tried to be written. we still have the fact of stolen

property by the russians. we have yet to sort of punish them or get to the bottom of it. >> yeah. that's such an important point, chuck. look, volume one of the mueller report precisely examines who stole the e-mails and what they did with it. the answer is russian military intelligence. and what they did with it in connection with julian assange's group is post it for the entire world to see. so if you read volume one of the mueller report, i know i sound like a broken record. i keep saying to people, read the mueller report. you have thee answer to that question. whether or not the senate judiciary committee is interested in replowing that ground is another matter. but we know what happened and the intelligence community has unanimously agreed that theen russians interfered and that they interfeared in part by manipulating social media and stealing e-mails and posting th them. >> right. >> unfortunately, the president is saying the whole thing was a

hoax. to completely and the sort of selective committee investigations i guess are intended to at least brandish that conclusion anyway. chuck rosenberg, good to see you. we haven't had you on in a while g to talk with you. boy do i miss our naps. hopefully we can get them soon. thank you. be sure to check out chuck's msnbc o podcast called "the oat" wherever you get your podcasts andts it is a lot of fun to lisn to. trust me. katy? over to you. chuck, coming up in the nexi hour, more on that breaking news about the police reforms in minneapolis and how another major city has changed its rules to force police officers to step in and stop misconduct. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. iberty bu- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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and you're looking now at air force one. it is arriving -- just arrived in bangor, main. good afternoon in the east. we begin the hour with stunning job numbers that raise questions about whether the u.s. is already seeing the worst of the pandemic's impact on the economy. the department of labor, the u.s. added 2.5 million jobs during the month of may and unemployment rate dropped to 13.3%. the games are presumably the result of businesses once

shuddered by the coronavirus now reopening and essentially rehiring those same employees. the president wasted no time taking a victory lap this morning. he called the jobs report an affirmation of the work his administration has been doing. and he suggested that george floyd the man whose death sparked global protest. and last hour former vice president joe biden reacted to that comment and called it despicable. >> george floyd's last words, i can't breathe. for the president to try to put any other words in the mouths of george floyd, i frankly think is despicable. and the fact that he did so on the day when black unemployment rose, hispanic unemployment rose, black unemployment skyrocketed, tells you everything you need to know about this man. >> put a little meat on the

numbers he referenced. the unemployment rate dipped for white americans from 14.2% to 12.4%, the unemployment rate for black americans remained virtually unchanged. in fact, it increased technically from 16.7% to 16.8%. meanwhile, we expect the numbers to have little to no impact on the anger and energy that's been felt by those protesting the deaths of these unarmed black americans who have died at the hands of the police. several protests underway. more are expected to begin before the end of this business day. katy tur is here, of course, co-anchor for the hour. good day, katy. >> hey, there chuck interestingly with the numbers, black women are bearing a big brunt of that. less than half of black women are employed right now. but when you look at the overall number and you don't break it down, this is something that the campaign will try to use to its advantage. they wanted to say and they planned on campaigning on the economy before the pandemic

happened. and the president through all of this has been promising that it will bounce right back and under his leadership that's the only way that will happen. he's warned in severe terms that a democrat won't be able to do this. whether that is true or not is not really -- doesn't really mat we are the campaign. what they're going to say is, look, there is a bounceback. you have to trust the president and i'll say that when i speak to trump voters, time and again this is the thing that they bring up at the top of their list. the president is great on the economy. so when the economy -- when the economy tanked, when things went south, that was when those in the president's orbit really started to panic about november. >> i will say this. i thought, you know, it's like -- you're like are you really going to spike the football after this? be careful. it's not clear you're going to

get more months like this over the next three or four months. you talk -- there was some expectation that we one good month like this as it reopened. but there's been some concern that it's going to be a bumpier ride down the road. so it was one of those moments that you're sitting there going, okay. be careful being a little overenthusiastic about this report today. we'll have a couple of economic experts in a moment. today washington, d.c.'s mayor had black lives matter painted on the street that leads to the white house. take a look. right there, that is, i believe, appears to be 16th street. yep. right there. and there it is. they've been painting it there. this is where protesters are demonstrating to honor george floyd and it's in sharp contrast to the largely peaceful protest that's have unfolded this week. a new fencing barrier now stands

outside the white house. unclear why that's necessary. but it is become the white house complex looks like it's being expanded, expanded and expanded outside of that 1600 pennsylvania area. white house spokesperson said they do not comment on security protocols or decisions. joining us now is msnbc capitol hill correspondent garret haake who is all over d.c. over this week. it is interesting. it's like, you know, garret, when i first came to d.c., you could drive on pennsylvania avenue in front of the white house. then there was an incident. they got rid of that. made it a pedestrian way. now i'm starting to wonder, are we ever going to get lafayette park back again? >> well, chuck, it sure feels like we ought. to the fence behind me seems like a completely different thing, what is the changing vibe of the protests. take a look at the newly renamed

black lives matter plaza. we have live music in the street. really the only thing we're mising missing is hot dog vendors. that's not to say the messaging and protesting don't continue. but the tension that existed in this plaza more or less around the clock for the last week is now completely gone. you saw that paint down black lives matter down 16th street. whose streets? our streets. it feels like that is d.c.'s answer. you had a mayor and a police chief and a city who were very upset at the way the federal officials have handled the protests in this city. that feels like a big yellow middle finger to the white house essentially. pushing back against the federal response here. i would just add that there is absolutely no, zero, no visible law enforcement presence here except to block off the streets at the end of the road.

to accommodate this ever evolving protest movement here in d.c. today, chuck and katy. >> garret haake, man, i have to tell you, you experienced all different types of sort of protests vibes in any moment in time. quite the change from just five days ago, garret. nice work, man. stay safe out there. katy, over to you. he's got his barbecue red checks on today, chuck. as we reported -- force zblo >> to think where we were. >> it's better than the gas mask he had earlier. the president just landed in bangor, maine and will shortly part -- take part in a roundtable on supporting commercial fishermen. later this afternoon, he'll also tour a factory making coronavirus testing supplies. meanwhile, former chief of staff john kelly backed former defense secretary jim mattis today in his criticism of the president

and he added that the american people need to examine the character of their leaders. >> harder at who we elect, i think we should start all of us regardless of what our views are and politics. i think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter. what is their character like? what is their -- what are the ethics? are they willing to -- if they're elected to represent all of their constituents, not just the base. >> joining us now is nbc news digital senior white house reporter shannon pettypiece. so i imagine the president who already was unhappy with what his former chief of staff said is going to be even less happy with it now that he's done so on television. >> yeah, the president got a bit of a head start on criticizing kelly yesterday after kelly gave an interview to the "washington

post." the president said that kelly was someone who is not in his inner circle. and accused him of just doing this to try and seek out the limelight. but, of course, katy, this really adds to a pile on of military officials, former officials who are coming out and speaking out against the president. and while kelly is not referring to the president by name, it's very clear who he is referring to. and i'll remind everyone here as well. you know, john kelly wasn't just a chief of staff. he was the president's secretary of home land security. not to mention general in the marine corps. someone who is prominent in this administration and very close to the president. and also very close to james mattis, another fellow marine general of his who spoke out yesterday. he has taken over the past few days, katy. >> shannon pettypiece. thank you very much.

we just saw the president leave air force one and what is a very windy bangor, maine, today. chuck? certainly not going to be happy about his former chief of staff continuing to go against him. he doesn't like any criticism whatsoever as we saw with the way he targeted lisa murkowski today. he may be -- maybe he will because he's in a better mood about the jobs report, he may leave john kelly alone for a little bit. who knows? speaking of those -- that jobs report and those numbers, surprised every economist out there. unemployment rate fell to 13.3%. here to explain, jarrod bernstein. jarrod, i have a sunday show likes to say, man, he enjoys watching economists blow it every thursday. we sort of joke about it. you know, it will be this. but my goodness, jarrod.

this is a big miss. how did everybody miss this? >> great question. i mean, these are unprecedented times. and every kind of forecast we're making these days has huge bands around it that we often forget to emphasis and we shunned. it's tricky to see a turning point. the only thing i can do to defend myself and other economist that's did not see this am coming is that it's not that we didn't know this was going to happen. we just didn't think it would happen this soon. every forecast has the economy bouncing back in the second half of this year. but, of course, this started in may. so it does suggest that the reopening is a bit deeper in terms of hiring across the country than we expected. but -- you sthaid this yourself chuck. not does one jobs report does a new trend establish. this is .1. these are noisy reports.

they're monthly numbers. secondly, let's not forget where we are. i mean nobody should be popping a champagne cork with an unemployment rate that is above 13% and more accurately measured as closer to 16%. and by the way, we're still about 20 million jobs down from a peak that existed just a few months ago. so the labor market is still undergoing recessionary conditions. >> so, what about the long term view of this, jarrod? 22 million people in march and april. the we've added some of the jobs back. what would it take to get us back on the same footing or at least -- better yet, the same trajectory that we were on back in february? >> well, i very much like the way you asked the question. i've got answers to both footing and trajectory. so if we have continued job gains, like we saw in month,

2.5 million, it would take almost a year to get back just to where we were. so as far as president trump is concerned, he will be underwater on election day. that is he'll be running for office with fewer jobs and higher unemployment rate than he came in with. and the virus wasn't his fault. but the response to it and the inept response, you know, that's on him. that is .1. .2, as you correctly pointed out, just getting back to where we were is not enough. you need another 3 1/2 million jocks on top of what i just mentioned, not just to get back to where we were but to get back to the pre-existing trend and that's not going to happen in the next year or so. i think it will be quite a while before we get back to full employment. >> jarrod, is what we're seeing today an endorsement of the ppp? that this is -- this turns out this turned out to be a fairly decent sort of emergency break?

>> you know, the ppp was a piece of what we did. i probably broadened that message. you're right. the way i quoted on twitter this morning is canes was right. counter cyclical policy actually really works. that is when the monetary or federal reserve steps in and makes sure that credit is cheaply available. and on the fiscal side, when congress injects significant sums into unemployment insurance, checks the households and as you pointed out, businesses through the ppp, we can definitely pull the recovery forward. and that's what we did. we kind of pulled forward what this economic shock has rendered to a household and businesses. but -- this is critical. it's in the report today. we are not gone that work, chuck and katy. look at the state and local sector. the we're talking about all the upside numbers. . t the state and local sector lost

75,000 jobs in may. if you put together april and may,s m may, it's 1.6 million jobs. they're hemorrhaging employment because the budgets are under severe strain. so, yes, counter cyclical policy has helped. that is the fiscal response. but we are not done. there is more to do. >> well, jarrod bernstein, one thing i vividly remember an amazing may 2010 jobs report that had the obama people all excited for a while and then it turned out those were census workers. one report never tells a storey. it's a lesson a lot of us learned over the last ten years, that's for sure. jarrod bernstein, former chief economic adviser to former vice president biden. good to see you. katy, over to you. look for a trend not just a moment in time. that's advice to live by. still to come, breaking news for minneapolis. it appears the city council is poised to ban choke holds by police. plus an update from georgia

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a judge in georgia ruled that three white men accused of chasing down and ultimately killing 25-year-old ahmaud

arbery, african-american gentleman, will stand trial on murder charges. the decision followed a seven hour hearing on thursday during which a georgia investigator testified that at least one of the defendants said he heard another use a racial slur as arbery lay dying from a gunshot wound. >> mr. brian said that after the shooting took place, before police arrival while mr. arbery was on the ground, that he heard travis michael make the statement. [ beep ] >> the men previously said they were acting in self-defense and that there had been a burglary in the area and the man who recorded the incident said he was not involved just recording. but the investigators suggested otherwise and gave a harrowing detail of arbery's final moments saying that when he is seen running around the defendant's truck, he was no longer on a jog. of he was running for his life.

>> he said he felt it was self-defense on mr. arbery. i believe he was being pursued. he randomly couldn't run anymore. and turned his back to a man with a shotgun or fight with his bare hands. he chose to fight. >> joining us from atlanta is investigative reporter with wxia-tv andy piratti. how did the judge come to his decision? is it. >> hi, chuck. i believe that what stuck out to the judge the most was that lead investigator that you just heard from the georgia bureau of investigation really describing in detail how the three men coordinated and essentially hunt down mr. arbery and ultimately kill him. one of the men that stuck out is william ryan. he's the person that originally said he was just the witness to the crime. he came across and pulled out his cell phone and started recording. well, according to that

investigator on the stand yesterday, he really took his time to essentially describe how he was using his vehicle to run him off the road and capture mr. arbery, listen to how the investigator described it. >> he made several statements about trying to block him in and use his vehicle to try to stop him his statement was that mr. arbery kept trying -- jumping out of the way. he would go down into the ditch to avoid his truck. >> so he and mcmichael gregory and travis mcmichaels were all together driving their trucks circling him, trying to hit him, trying to run him off the road, capture him, all while knowing they never saw him steal anything from that home construction site. chuck? >> andy piratti from wxia-tv, andy, thank you.

katy, that does talk about putting that video in even more disturbing context. >> yeah. it does make more sense for why the other man was following along and filming. his explanation that he just started filming and following always seemed a bit strange. just awful. awful. awful. awful. coming up, overnight dallas police chief renee hall implemented a duty to intervene policy. this requires all police department staff to either stop or try to stop another officer if they see force being used inappropriately. hall also announced yesterday she would not charge nearly 700 protesters who were detained monday night during a peaceful protest on the margaret hunt hill bridge. let's head back to minneapolis where focus is shifting to how the city will move forward. the city council expected to ban all choke holds by police and require officers to intervene any time they see unauthorized

use of force by a fellow officer. it would be the first act of police reform in minneapolis in response to floyd's death. nbc's shaquille brewster is still in minneapolis. he's at george floyd's community memorial with the latest. hey there, shaq. >> hey, katy. i'm told that measure was just approved by the city council. it was a unanimous vote, 12-0. and it was a measure that was in response to negotiations with the state. we know that the state filed that civil charge against the minneapolis police department looking at ten years of patterns and practices earlier this week our colleagues with nbc news reported that the minneapolis police department rendered 44 people unconscious based on -- as a result of neck restraint. this is a measure of police reform that protesters have been calling for. i just got a statement from the congresswoman or the councilwoman who represents this area where george floyd was killed. she was -- just happened.

i welcome the initial immediate changes and look forward to working on deeper systemic changes that are long overdue. as you mentioned, the city council also moved on a measure to address police misconduct and put pressure on officers when they witness other officers using excessive force, put that pressure on the officers to intervene. meanwhile, katy, you see the vigil still is here. people still coming to pay their respects with flowers and notes commemorating the memory of george floyd. there is also protests expected continuously through the weekend here in minneapolis. but protesters are starting to see that change that they continue to call for and that they've been fighting for for over a week. katy? >> shaquille brewster, thank you very much. chuck, back to you. up next, steve kornacki will join us. he'll break down why republicans have reason to worry about losing control of the senate in november. losing control of the senate in november i've always loved seeing what's next.

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there is tension between president trump and republican senator chuck grassley. grassley who is the chairman of the senate finance committee, a powerful position, says he is holding up two nominations until the administration explains why a pair of inspectors general were fired. it follows the removal of government watch dogs in multiple departments. senator grassley said all i swawant is a reason for firing the people. checks and balances in all caps.

chuck, he's not happy about this. he said he fought really hard to get some of the inspectors general in place during the obama administration. and that they did well and they did their jobs and he doesn't think the president should be able to just unanimously fire one of them or any of them without explaining it to congress. >> katy, to chuck grassley's credit on this one, he was consistent. he's been a thorn in the side of obama on igs and he's tried to be a thorn with trump. some think he's been a little too gentle. in this case this is him being less gentle. he always had tough words for the president on the igs. he's now taken some action so he does -- that does ramp things up a bit. let's bring in our national political correspondent with a look at the stakes in the senate with steve kornacki. steve, it is no doubt that there is a lot of presidential battleground states and senate

races that are together. that shows you that perhaps both the presidency and the senate are basically on the ballot this november. >> good way to look at it. this is the balance in the senate right now, 47 for the dems, 53 for republicans. look, if the democrats win three senate seats and pick up three and biden wins the presidency, that is 50. democratic vice president breaks the tie. three in a biden win gets the senate. the democrats could somehow net four they would get the senate that way. what does it look like you? mention the presidential race. this is a good way to look at it. if you look at the poll average in the most recent five presidential elections at exactly this point, this number of days out from the election, b biden has a bigger lead than any of the previous four races we've seen. he's up seven points in the national polling average. now long way to go between now and the election. we'll see what happens. but it raises the possibility if biden were able to win by a margin, maybe bigger than we've seen recently, or just win by a

solid margin, what does it do to the senate map? is there a coattail effect? we say for the democrats they need a net gain of three. here's how they look at it i think. arizona, martha mcsally has been terrible polling. ripe opportunity for democrats. colorado, corey gardiner running for re-election. didn't go for trump. ditto for susan collins. democrats can pretty quickly if thing goes their way pick up those three. now they would then lose likely alabama. that's doug jones, very uphill re-election. that would be a net gain of two for democrats. and then where else could they look? where else could they look? check this ouchlt one sec. how about north carolina? trump state in 2016. the polling tieded right the-- t there. the they could then try to expand the map. what about iowa? what about montana? what about georgia? two seats in georgia. a big biden win could start to

open up unexpected places. >> and, you know, kornacki, the best news for political junkies with the senate battle is those georgia races. both are likely to go to runoffs. which means senate control is going to be probably on the ballot in december of this calendar year, i believe. those runoffs would be then. >> and we've seen 1992, 2008, we've seen senate races runoffs in georgia. it's the immediate verdict on the presidential race as one way to look at it. we've seen that in the past. could be ghen 2020. >> democrats have not figured out how to win a runoff in georgia yet. i don't know. maybe things will change for them this time. steve kornacki, big board, thank you, sir. katy, over to you. chuck, i was talking to trump sources on the senate map and they said that they're not worried about corey gardiner because they think he's going to have enough money to eek it out there. but they are very concerned about martha mcsally.

they just call her a bad candidate. and now they're increasingly concerned with tom tillis who steve mentioned there. chuck, coming up next, i got my names -- my men confused there for a second. next up, several incidents are raising concerns about how police are dealing with protesters. you've seen a ton of the videos online. in san diego, a grandmother is in intensive care after police fired a beanbag round and hit her between the eyes. also if brooklyn, a hospital worker ended his shift but wound up back at the hospital minutes later as a patient after filming police, he'll join us next. filg police, he'll join us next for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease, stelara® works differently. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection

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can very clearly hear the smack of the pavement of this man's head when his head hits the pavement. can you also tell that officers are not rushing to his aid right there. two buffalo police officers are now suspended and they could face charges. the man that fell to the ground that was pushed to the ground is in serious but stable condition. and new york governor andrew cuomo addressed it this morning. >> you see that video and it disturbs the basic sense of decency and humanity. why? why? why was that necessary? where was the threat? >> which brings us to this video out of brooklyn. we're going to warn you it is also graphic. late saturday night, hospital worker ray valentine was getting off his shift when he recorded officers struggling with someone. this is part of what he recorded

and nbc news does not know what happened before this video. >> stop! stop! >> get him on the ground. >> yo. >> move back. move back! move back! move back! >> i am moving back. [ beep ] [ beep ] >> valentine says he was back. went back to the hospital where he works and got seven staples in his head. an nypd spokesperson says that the incident is under review. joining us now that man rain valentine and his attorney gideon oliver. thank you very much for being with us today. rain, can you tell me exactly what happened that night? >> thank you for having me.

basically, just like you said, i was walking home from my shift at the hospital heading to get ready to prepare for the next day and saw the struggle happening. like anyone would, i started recording. and i guess when the kopdz noticed me, they told me to move back. i i was already moving back. they advanced toward me and pushed me down. i got struck in the whed a baton. and while they pushed me down. and afterwards, i just walked back to the hospital. i was there for quite a while and had seven staples put in my head afterwards. >> has the nypd been in contact with you? >> in a sense. i've been fielding all the things to my lawyer. he's been speaking with them. but i haven't spoken to them since that incident. >> oliver, can you tell me what the nypd has said? >> sure, katy.

the police department investigated a -- tried to interview and interviewed rain in the hospital. but since then, iab has been acting in a really inappropriate way. in my opinion. and so we're trying to communicate with them so that they can communicate directly with us. he was interviewed in a very aggressive manner without counsel in the hospital. and so, you know, we don't have any confidence in the police investigating the police in this case. but we will respond to them. ultimately, you know, i think it's going to take defunding the police department, real community control, transparency and accountability and ultimately moving towards abolishing the institutions. in the meantime, we'll pursue justice for rain however we can: >> rain, why did you feel it in he is to film the incident that you happened across?

>> because with everything going on right now, i feel it's very necessary to have documentation. at this point, documentation is the only things that going to help the people that are serving us and be held actable for actions. they're acting with impunity and disregard for anything. i mean, i have a right to film what is happening around necessity. that doesn't violate anything. and for them to act so aggressively towards just anyone they see on the street under any kind of assumption is absolutely, like, reprehensible. i don't think it needs to continue. >> rain, what do you want to see happen? >> i want to see the cop that assaulted me, i want to see him found and held accountable for his actions. i would like to see major reform at different things in place for the police officers. i think they need to be retrained. especially when it comes to riot control and public sector. and also just more accountability within the forces

in general. >> rain valentine and his attorney gideon oliver, mr. oliver and rain, thank you very much. we appreciate your time. chuck, over to you. thank you, katy. on saturday at 59-year-old grandmother was shot between the eyes by a nonlethal round during a protest in la mesa, california, just outside of san diego. the with more on this, joined by knsd senior investigative reporter. what happened here? how did they shoot at this grandmother? >> yeah, todd, she's 59 years old. her mother is leslie fircron. she was shot outside the la mesa police department on saturday when she was demonstrating with a crowd there. now police say some people in that crowd started firing at the officers or actually started

throwing things at the officers. and so they responded with tear gas and less lethal projectiles. and that's when leslie got hit right in the middle of her eyes in the forehead. we do have video of that incident. we want to warn everyone, it is pretty graphic. >> oh, my god! oh, my god! oh, my god! >> chaos broke out saturday night, 59-year-old leslie fircon was hit by a projectile between her eyes. the force knocked her to the ground and people nearby rushed to her aid. her attorney believes it was a beanbag shot. >> that officer needs to be fired now. we know who he is and he needs to go. >> leslie's family is also asking that the officer be charged with attempted murder. they seau it's an example of an overaggressive police force using force against dmon stlators. >> this shouldn't happen at all. this shouldn't be something that we have to deal with. there has to be change. there has to be justice for the

situation. la mesa police training documents show a beanbag shot to the head or upper torso as potentially lethal. >> the heart she has is so big and so strong. >> because of covid-19, her family can't be with her at the hospital. but says leslie could lows her eye and faces a very tough recovery. so she is still in the hospital. but in stable condition now. she still could lose her eye. they were able to take that tube out of her throat. so her sons were finally able to speak to her for the first time. and for days, you know, we were pressing the la mesa police department. we wanted answers from them about the incident. and no one responded to us. in fact, they ignored us. the la mesa police chief did respond by saying that case was under review. that's not enough for leslie's family, todd. her sons, they want justice. but they also want that officer to be named publicly. they want him to be fired. and they also want him or her,

that is, to face possible criminal charges. todd? >> maury peyton with our san diego affiliate. maury, thank you for that. i have to say, there are so many government institutions that are not being forthcoming. they tell us something and then -- this has been about the worst week for institutions local, state, or national and basically not being forth coming with with what is actually going on until you have to yafrnk it t of them. it is another virus that is circulating among government institutions. up next, warnings about a resurgence of coronavirus. the vector of the cdc says he fears americans are not taking the cautions seriously. ng the cautions seriously

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but quite a few masks. the head of cdc is worried americans are just not listening to warnings. dr. robert redfield talked about the large protests, people not wearing masks and states that have begun to reopen. >> obviously, we're, we're very concerned that our public health message isn't resonating. we're going to encourage people that have the ability to request or require a mask when they're in their environment to continue to do that. these social distancing strategies we've learned are something we need to perfect, because we're going to need them to be our major defense, again, in october, november and december. >> joining us now, dr. amesh odaljia. doctor, i was looking at the johns hopkins site this morning getting my daily dose of data. looking at the stubborn american

curve there. dawned on me seeing direct of the cdc, there may be a reason americans aren't taking precautions. when's the last time the white house held an event to talk about taking precautions? >> seems to be something that slipped from the headlines a little bit, and also something that you haven't seen the federal government having a coordinated response from the beginning and now we're not hearing from the task members on a regular basis. back in 2009, during ebola we heard from the cdc every day knowing what was going on. whattings a actions to take, w actions were going on. we really need that. not out and center, we all suffer. >> a big spike in cases in places like new york where there's been a lot of, a lot of the protests where people have been crowded close together. what does that say to how easily the virus spreads outside?

>> we know that there likely is less transmission outside versus inside, but that doesn't mean it's ironclad when outside. especially if not social distancing in an area where people are close together, talking, shouting, screaming, as we see at protests hit with tear gas and pepper spray which causes people to cough. you can't count on the outdoors to stop all kinds of transmission and we'll likely see an uptick in cases after the protests by simple biology. >> doctor, you know, there's been a lot of folks warning about spikes, if we reopen too quickly with these pro tests. if you look at it, if all of the scientific projections are correct, if this is going to go bad on us we're going to know sometime in the next three weeks. what have you seen so far? do you feel as if that we've mitigated this and maybe will be able to handle whatever new spike is coming, or does it just

depend on where it hits and we just don't know where the hot spot will be? >> depends whether it hits. there are certain places in the country that have done a really great job keeping cases down, expanding hospital capacity, getting diagnostic tests scaleed up and preparations in place. places like montgomery, alabama, the twin cities, tragically before the events occurred were already hitting icu capacity. you wonder about certain hospitals getting into crisis with this number of cases that will occur and end up eventually spilling in to the hospital. we want to make sure we properly resource those hospitals and that they're ready. we don't know exactly where this will pop up. >> doctor, thanks so much for coming on and issues the warnings and giving clarity whey we can expect from being outside. always important. chuck, i'm giving it to you for the final handoff. >> and, please, everybody, if

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be with us momentarily. first, this is the scene in hoboken, new jersey. lower manhattan just across new york harbor. protesters gathering for an 11th day to call for justice following the death of george floyd. more accountability for police officers, and an end to institutional racisracism. similar scenes expected in other cities across the country as day turns in to night. today in minneapolis, where george floyd died at the hands of police, the city council expected to approve new rules banning police from using any kind of chokehold and requiring officers to intervene anytime they see unauthorized use of force by a fellow officer. this comes after the three other police officers face charges now after they stood by and watched as another officer placed his knee on george floyd's neck and kept it there for nearly nine minutes. president trump is in maine

the this hour, greeted upon arrival by protesters. he is set to arrive in the small town of guilford, maine in a few minutes. he's going to tour a factory that produces medical swabs for coronavirus tests. one person that won't be there, maine republican senator susan collins, who faces a tough fight for re-election this fall, and has been under water in recent polling. the president spent much of the morning cheering on a surprising jobs report for the month of may. the report showed that businesses that are reopening across the country helped create 2.5 million jobs last month, with the unemployment rate falling to 13.3%. however, the economy has still lost nearly 20 million jobs since february. as the president spoke about that jobs report, crews were painting the words "black lives matter" on 16th street in washington, and an unambiguous message which leads directly to

the white house. in addition, the street signs by lafayette square were changed. they now read, "black lives matter plaza." d.c.'s mayor says the moves are to honor demonstrators who were protesting peacefully on this past monday when they were forcibly removed to clear a path for the president's widely condemned photo op at historic saint john's church. and i am joined as we are each day by nichol wall. host of "deadlines: white house" coming up next hour. don't get ahead of ourselves. nichole, i'm reasonably sure, not yet certain, that the lettering is visible from space. i'm sure an enterprising reporter will look to see if, indeed, from the eyes in the sky we can now read forever and all-time that black lives matter. >> well, you know what's so, i think, healing about seeing that, and our producer said that

monument is alongside all the other monuments in the nation's capitol. the washington monument, the lincoln memorial. now a monument that speaks to the desires and the priority of 76% of americans. 76% of americans. it's up 26% from 2015, believe that racism is a problem in this country. 76% of americans don't agree on all that much anymore, and you've got this monument to the will and the hopes and the dreams that we do better. something felt by 76% of all americans. so i think it's a start. no one will feel that it's enough. i don't, but i think it is -- it is an important monument and if you still believe that that road leads to what we have often thought of as the people's house, there isn't a more appropriate way to designate it this week.

we are joined now by -- go ahead -- >> no. just going to say, could be one of the places in washington if it's kept up where people come to visit, take photos and live in the moment. >> yes. >> i didn't mean to interrupt. go ahead. >> no. i was just going to bring in two of our favorite people. on these matters, on all matters. eddie glaude, from princeton and ashley parker, white house reporter and msnbc contributors. eddie glaude, jump in to this conversation we're having about the two new monuments in the nation's capital? >> i think whenever there's a transformation of any society there's a change in the built environment. think about when the wall fell in berlin, think when the soviet union collapsed. one of the first things you see happening is in some ways an attack on the iconography of the

past regime. we need to re-assess beginning of a change in a certain sensibility. that would be black lives matter on the street leading to the people's house, also we saw protests, people, shall we say, attacking monuments of robert e. lee and, you know, old slave auction blocks and -- there's a sense in which there's an attempt to impact the built environment of the united states that actually represents the very thing that folks are arguing against. >> and ashley parker, a stunning piece of reporting that at these monuments are going up right outside the gates of the white house, a different kind of monument a fence, going um around donald trump's house. >> exactly right. sort of did a story on what we thought was fortress white house. the way the perimeter around the 18-acre complex has been so

expand expanded. fences continuing to go up and sort of how at odds it is with the images you mention of the white house as the people's house. as part of the reporting i think especially now as we saw what mayor bowser did, i spoke with a historian who had studied the building of d.c. and a vision for the city. it was the entire city was to be open and a place of really public theater and expression and performance. so when somebody goes and protests in lafayette square or on the national mall or at the lincoln memorial or near the capitol, any of these places that we are seeing right now, doing so in the sense of history. not just the message out in but a sense we are expressing ourselves on what is so deeply important as so many before us have done. so those black lives matter monument, as it were, just outside the white house provides such a striking contrast that you are now limited potentially temporarily, never know when these things go up how long they

stay to get near the white house, but we basically have another space, another kind of open performative theater for protests and expression, and that is how the founder and designer of the city intended it. >> professor, i want to play you something that happened at the white house this morning. the president was overcome briefly by aboulians and this may stand as reminder to all of us to exercise extreme caution when speaking on behalf of the dead. >> hopefully george is looking down right now and saying, this is a great thing that's happening for our country. a great day for him. it's a great day for -- everybody. this is a great day for everybody. this is a great, great day. >> eddie glaude, a great day for george floyd. >> blasphemous, and mind-boggling. i mean, we know that donald

trump lacks a certain kind of empathy. we know that that lack of empathy reflects a kind of deformation of character, but to invoke george floyd in the context of a press conference, lauding what is some good news, but good news that needs to be, shall we say, understood within the broader context of what we're currently experiencing economically. i mean, it's just -- it's unconscionable to hear him invoke george floyd in that way, particularly given what he did in lafayette park. i mean, it's unconscionable. >> and ashley parker, for you i have the equal and opposite reaction from joe biden. here that is. >> george floyd's last words "i can't breathe." for the president to try to put any other words in the mouths of george floyd, i frankly think it's despicable.

and the fact they he did so on the day when black unemployment rose, hispanic unemployment rose, black youth unemployment skyrocketed tells you everything you need to know about this man. >> so ashley parker, we have people in the streets. we have so much tumult in our country and yet in raw, political terms, this is the campaign right now. it is action and reaction. >> that's exactly right. and the president has never been good at empathy. even in the best of situations he doesn't view his role as a consoler in chief. a healer in chief. but it is so much more striking when you are faced with such deep-seeded racial unrest and protests in the street, and the president can't really bring himself to address what the

death of george floyd and so many others mean, and he, you know, was pressed by our colleague, our general colleague at the end of that press conference which really really a press conference because he didn't actually cake questions about what is he going to do about racial inequity and eastern though the jobs report was slightly better than expected, black unploemt numbem numbers didn't have an answer. he kind of snapped at her. when the economy is how you solve decades, hundreds of years in turmoil in the country, that's not a particularly sufficient answer. >> ashley i want to jump in on the other newsmakers of the day. the president's former chief of staff general kelly making news by aligning himself with, i think we have four former chairman of the joint chiefs weighing in and saying that

donald trump's efforts were unconstitutional, put the military in an untenable position. secretary mattis going as far as to compare donald trump's penchant for division to the nazis. let's watch general kelly cosign all of it today. >> i think we need to look harder at who we elect. i think we should start, all of us, regardless of what our views are in politics. i think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through a filter. what is their character like? what is their -- what are their ethics? are they willing, if they are elected, to represent all of their constituents and not just the base? >> general kelly, it was no secret, ashley parker, ended up at odds with the axis of power that prevailed. jared kushner, ivanka trump and obviously donald trump, but it's a time of choosing, and he's obviously made his choice to

stand secretary mattis and indictment and rebuke of donald trump over the last three years. any rumblings or talk he might endoers trse the opponent come november? >> put it in broader military culture explaining how striking and significant this is. for months reporters and others heard rumblings of things, some of these former military, generals in the administration would say in private but wouldn't go public. part of the reason, a number of reasons people who criticize the president don't go public. for a lot of these generals and military officials it was about a military culture where they didn't want the military to be seen, the non-partisan apolitical military, to be seen as partisan or as political, or as if they were somehow instructing the active troops on what to think or how to behave.

so they had a much higher bar. so to see this all happening right now, it really reached a tipping point and really took a lot. it's a real problem for the president in his campaign. it is something i know people inside the west wing and inside the campaign are worried about and basically said, you've seen this so far. who else might come out? is there going to be, coates, mcmaster? recognizing this is a potential problem. certainly if someone then, of course, endorses joe biden. that would be deeply embarrassing for the president, but i don't know. i think it's too early to kind of guess if we are there or not just yet. >> and final question, eddie glaude for you. if following 11 days of protests in the streets, people came away from the coverage on this network and others merely with the impression that we have a lot of cities covered and technical skill and

indefatigable correspondence, that would be a regret. what do you hope is the larger message that lo and behold after 11 days of this our fellow americans take away from all the sights and sounds we've been witness to? >> that we need to imagine america anew. it seems to me that the frame we've lived under for the last 40 to 50 years is collapsing. you know, i live for -- i'm 51 years old and for all of my life lived under a culture in which the country declared it was going to be tough on crime. that we were engaged in a war on drugs, and that provided the frame for policing in this country. well, that's collapsing now. so we have to think about how are we to imagine policing under different conditions? how are we to imagine every ordinary workers having a living wage? what are we to think about everybody having health care, no

matter if they're working or not? we're opening up what's possible. so i think this, these 11 days, we're in the eye of the storm. the eye of the storm is important. it's the moment of call. we still have the impact of covid-19. we still have the economy, and we still have the trial. so the tail of the storm is coming. i'm a gulf coast kid. the hurricane analogy makes sense to me. don't pat ourselves on the back. let's understand we're still doing the work to reframe how we're going to reimagine america. >> professor eddie glaude, pulitzer prize winner ashley parker, two first guests on this friday afternoon. much obliged. thank you both very much. a break for us. when we come back, protesters are on the streets for, as we said, what will be the 11th night of demonstrations in this country. later, one expert said he has never seen jobs numbers so far off from expectations.

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we're back. as we've been reporting protesters assembling once again for what will be the 11th night of demonstrations across our country. last night hours after george floyd's memorial services came to a close in the twin cities we

saw protests in major cities across our country. most of the protests overnight were peaceful, but another incident caught on video involving police officers has sparked a fresh round of outrage. a local radio station release add video of a 75-year-old protester being knocked to the ground in buffalo, new york. especially if little ones are home and around the television, we need to warn you the video we are about to show you is indeed graphic. it is indeed disturbing. you see that man who has not been publicly identified. he approaches a group of officers in tactical gear and says something to them. words exchanged. he is then yelled at and pushed to the ground where he is instantly motionless, and obviously bleeding from the head. nbc news confirmed the protester is in serious condition but stable and in a local hospital

at this time. buffalo's police department has said two of the officers involved in this incident have been suspended without pay. we are fortunate to have for our conversation with us today gilani cox, written extensively about race and politics in this country and also happens to be professor of journalism at columbia university and among our political analysts. jelani, i'd like to begin with the same question i left off with, with professor glaude. what do you hope the accumulated meaning is as we go in to night 11 tonight, and admittedly, while the news media temptation is often to divert our attention to the shiny object, the violence in the streets, we can sometimes miss the forest for the trees? >> sure. brian, i think for a second i

would like to remember back, like, what it looked like when those soviet regimes and those regimes surrounding the soviet union were collapsing. and it was people going out. day after day after day after day. ceausescu and regimes around the world, oppress ig. saw it in the arab spring, people going out night after night after night after night. what we saw in iran. how would we be covering this were it happening in a foreign country? we would be talking about the essential demand that the society reorient itself, and what happened with covid-19, what we saw happen whip the new k coronavirus was that it stripped away the facade of fairness, of "quality, of enfranchisement.

the virus was not an equalizer, and what it did was reveal the savage inquell tis in american society and we understood that in the most fundamental way. who was dead, and who was living. who survived this virus and who did not? and i think that the same thing may come out of these protests. that we're saying, we fundamentally have to reorient. the old regime has to pass. and i don't mean no longer governed by the constitution, no longer have a representative democracy. type we've had, but we no longer can tolerate the kind of exclusionary politics that have defined this country since its inception. i think that that's what we're seeing. potentially a -- the beginning of a tide of change. >> jelani, indeed, to extend your comparison of nikolai

ceausescu you mentioned in romania and after the sustained public pressure he, after his f. >> right. >> that people got view of the inside, and it confirmed all of their worst fears. it justified their anger from prisons to orphanages, they got to see with their own eyes and spring opened to the public exactly the depths of the cruelty that they thought and feared was going on the whole time. >> i think this is the same point. it's an american spring. because when we talk about laying bare the cruelty of this, so we've had generations of police who have been trained to behave in this way. i don't mean that we want to talk about every single police officer being terrible, but we want to talk about is what these systems incentivize. what people believe that policing actually is. when we see a 75-year-old man

thrown to the sidewalk, when we see police cars driving into barricades. when we seeer losing her eye to a rubber bullet. seeing tasering of college students in atlanta. this is all in the midst of a protest about police using excessive force. so people have only been given a hammer. a police departments, only given a hammer. so when confronted with a question about how frequently they use that hammer, the only potential response is to use the hammer again. so we have to reorient what police departments are actually about. and we have to take a really direct look at what the history of policing in this country has been. the connections between policing and strife breaking and busting labor unions and begins of the 20th century and enforcing jim crow laws in the early and middle part of the 20th search

rained the w century and extra legal functions in society that don't necessarily benefit the people who are on the other end of these interactions. this is all, i think, very clear that we're willing to be open and honest about where we are, and the path, the very bruised, potholed, unpaved path of history that we took to arrive here at this moment to. at this moment. >> jelani, senators kamala harris and cory booker are working 0en that same bruised pothole path in the senate. let me show you some of their comments yesterday and ask you to react on the other side. >> it is painful to be standing here right now especially when people are all races are marching in the streets of america outraged by the hate and the violence and the murder that has been fueled by racism during the span of this country's life. our country has waited too long

for a reckoning on this issue of lynching, and i believe no senator should stop the full weight of the law in its capacity to protect these human beings and human life. >> i can hear the screams at this body of membership of cries for justice of our ancestors. i object to this amendment. i object. i object. i object! >> jelani, it's -- i've seen it, those clips now three or four times and it gets me every single time. part of the wave, or a fight with one senator, it's senator rand paul, who's holding up that legislation. >> yeah. sorry for shifting around a little. trying to reach a book, but i can't get to it. >> go ahead. go ahead. >> i would like the people to -- to read this book and hold on one second while i return to my desk and grab it.

>> take your time. this is one of the benefits of working from home. right? i know. >> i know. it's not a plug. it's not the kind of book that you plug. it is this book "without sanctuary." >> show us. >> this book is a photographic history of lynching in the united states. this is american history. tha for decades, between 1880 and 1920, there were averaged, averaged out to about two lynchings per week. two black people lynched per week for 40 years. people don't know that we have this obscene history, and i'm glad you brought up senators harris and booker, because they know this story. that the senate itself was directly responsible for stymieing the anti-lynching efforts in the beginning of the

20th century. there were a number of them. dire anti-lynching bill, attempts to legislatively address what was happening in the country, where people were making these spectacular killings of african-americans. and the senate stalled those bills. there's a particular responsibility of the senate right now. so i don't know if senator paul knows this. i don't know if he's looked at it. i would urge him to look at that book "without sanctuary" and see the graphic nature. the only reason we have these photographs is that people took pictures of the lynchings proudly and turned them into postcards, and those postcards were gathered and that's how we're able to see exactly how horrific the crimes that were inflicted upon these people were. so this is not just -- >> jelani -- >> it is a reckoning with american history. >> uh-huh. uh-huh. >> when you exit brian

stephenson's overwhelming memorial to linking, and go into the small store for a beverage or a t-shirt, that book is among the items on sale when you arrive there completely numb from your experience of seeing that memorial. which we recommend to all americans who can visit. jelani cobb, we are always made better by your appearances. thank you so much. try to enjoy your wuneekend, bu thank you for being with us. a far better than expected jobs report for the month of may. our next guest cautions, there are many details and caveats to know about.