is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> let's call it unam big wusz. republican voters against trump playing us off the air tonight. that is our broadcast for this evening at the end of this long week. please have a good and safe weekend and thanks for being here with us. on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night from our temporary field headquarters. we continue now with live coverage. good evening. i'm joy reid. well, it is midnight on the east coast where we are closing out the 11th night of nationwide demonstrations protesting the police killing of george floyd. we have news tonight out of buffalo, and this is video that you may have seen and that i should warn you is pretty horrifying incident. if you don't want to see it, you might want to look away right now. it is the incident where police pushed an older protest to the ground, and the man hit his head. you can see blood coming out of his head. two buffalo police officers were

suspended, and at this hour, local reporting from our nbc affiliate wgrz is saying that they are expected to be arraigned on criminal charges tomorrow morning. the protests tonight are capping off what was another day that was fraught with tension in the nation's capital meanwhile. the mayor of washington, d.c. muriel bowser today called on donald trump to remove all federal troops who have been patrolling the capital and who have been aggressively and militaristically responding to what have been largely peaceful protests. today mayor bowser sent a group of volunteers to paint "black lives matter" in big, bold letters right outside the president's doorstep on the street that leads right up to the white house. her office said it was to remind the president who the d.c. streets belong to. the mayor officially renamed that street black lives matter plaza. and tonight mayor bowser added a little bit more shade as she tweeted out this video of the

street lights illuminating that new mural on that newly named street. she said her city turned on the night light for donald trump so he dreams about black lives matter plaza. there's also been a huge thunderbolt of news late tonight that did not actually happen in d.c., but what will be felt loud and clear inside the white house tonight. as of this evening, according to the associated press, former vice president joe biden has officially clinched the democratic party's nomination for president after more votes from tuesday's primary elections have been tallied. i should tell you that nbc news has not yet called the nomination for joe biden. but with this call from the a.p. tonight, the general election campaign officially begins now. and it's a campaign that will take place in a fractured, socially distant nation that is in a lot of pain, that is angry, and that is still protesting george floyd's killing. it's been a busy, largely

peaceful day of protests in america. this was orlando, florida, today. protesters marching in the pouring rain. here was brooklyn, new york, this afternoon. a huge crowd gathered outside of a public library. in louisville, kentucky, this evening, a portrait of breonna taylor was projected on a city building. breonna taylor was killed by police in march when officers burst into her home after midnight and opened fire. protesters stayed in the streets well into the night tonight on what would have been ms. taylor's 27th birthday. it is breonna taylor and george floyd and the long list of african-americans who have been killed by police that brought tens of thousands into the streets for the 11th straight day. in los angeles today, protesters literally made that list. they wrote down the names of 941 people killed by l.a. law enforcement in the last 20 years. they set the list down in front

of the hall of justice in l.a. protesters leaving roses throughout the day. here's a live shot of los angeles tonight where it is just after 9:00 p.m. just a short while ago, the l.a. police chief spoke at a community event at police headquarters, and he called the police killing of george floyd a murder. then after leading the crowd in a candlelight vigil, the police chief went into the crowd and spoke with protesters who had gathered there. joining us now is gadi schwartz, nbc news correspondent, and he's at city hall in los angeles where the protests are under way in the shadow of lapd headquarters. gadi, thanks for starting us off. talk about what the police chief said to those protesters today when he went into that crowd and what's happening now. >> reporter: yeah. joy, 11 nights and here we are in front of the hall of justice. i'm going to take you through what you were just describing because it was a very memorable moment out here. this is where the crowd was gathered. it's about 1,000 people strong.

that's what it looked like a little bit earlier. and it wasn't necessarily in front of lapd headquarters at first because lapd headquarters is down the street. i want to show you where it's at. so this is the hall of justice, city hall, and then that building down there, that is lapd headquarters. that's where that small meeting with some community leaders was going on with the chief of police. and then somebody from this crowd found out about what what's going on down there. they took this crowd of about 1,000 people all the way down to lapd headquarters, and then they started chanting in front of the police barricades. they chanted until the police chief came over and started meeting face to face with protesters during that community meeting. and during his meeting with protesters, he expressed his solidarity. he told them he was listening. he said that there was reform coming to lapd, things like no more choke holds being taught to

police officers, less munitions, those foam munitions used, and a lot more money going into communities of color. the protesters we talked to, though, a lot of them afterwards, they did not seem to buy it. they said that the police chief can say something, but they weren't going to believe it until they saw actual change from the rank and file. and this comes as the aclu has now filed a suit against the city of los angeles as well as the lapd alleging police brutality during the protests here. the chief says that he can't get into specifics on some of those cases, but he said he had seen some of the videos that are circulating online of police swinging batons in particular in the fairfax district and seeing some of those videos has given him some pause. he promised an independent oversight. again, the protesters he met with here say that they were glad that he heard some of their concerns, but again they are not going to believe that change is coming until they actually see

it from the police on the streets. joy. >> not surprising that we're this far from 1992 and the rodney king situation. so, you know, i think there is a bit of skepticism among people about police. let me ask you about the way police are comforting themselves today and tonight because that has been the concern. we're seeing all over the country police being very aggressive with protesters. how have they been treating protesters and dealing with the protests today? >> reporter: yeah. so we've been covering this for quite some time now, and i would have to say only from my own observations, we've seen police a little bit calmer over the last few days. just for an example, there was a huge line of police two or three days ago up on the hall of justice there. they had their riot masks on, and now there are only three, four police that are visible. so things along the perimeters of some of these protests seem a little bit more subdued. and you got to take some cues

from what the chief of police here in los angeles is saying. you mentioned just a little while ago he has called what happened in minneapolis murder. the mayor here in los angeles has called what happened a killing and killers. so using those words on a case that hasn't been adjudicated yet is sending a very clear signal not just to the community but also to those officers, that rank and file, clearly stating that that is not going to be tolerated. so it's unclear if that is what's causing police to scale back. it's unclear if they've gotten orders to possibly be a little bit less aggressive. but today again that lawsuit filed in federal court, a class action lawsuit on behalf of up to 10,000 people alleging their constitutional rights were violated during the arrests, those mass arrests during this week of protests. so it's something to watch for. joy. >> all right. gadi schwartz on the ground in los angeles for us tonight.

thank you very much. well appreciate that reporting. meanwhile, the minneapolis city council today unanimously approved the first changes to that city's policing following the death of george floyd last week. the deal which still requires a judge's approval before going into effect would prohibit officers from using neck restraints or choke holds for any reason. in addition, it strengthens requirements for officers to intervene if their colleagues are using too much force, requiring them to, quote, immediately report the incident while still on-scene to their commander or their commander's superiors. the agreement states that regardless of tenure or rank, officers must attempt to safely intervene by verbal and physical means and notes that if they don't, they shall be subject to discipline to the same severity as if they themselves engaged in the prohibited use of force. the deal also requires that the minneapolis police chief sign off on the use of tear gas and

things like rubber bullets when breaking up crowds. according to "the indianapolis star" tribune, many of the changes will go into effect within days of a judge's approval. a hearing on the issue could come as early as next week. today's news comes amid the announcement of st. paul mayor melvin carter that he has signed onto the eight can't wait campaign, which advocates for eight specific reforms to reduce police violence. while mayor carter is confident that his police department already follows those guidelines, there are plans to strengthen the department's policy language including around the use of deadly force. joining us right now is the mayor of st. paul, minnesota, melvin carter. let's talk about the abuses in the neighboring city in minneapolis. those reforms sound like quite a good idea. are those kind of reforms part of the eight can't wait campaign, and do you foresee those same kind of reforms being enacted in st. paul? >> yes. to be clear, revising and

rewriting our use of force policies were a top priority for me when i came into office. we actually accomplished that in partnership with our police department leadership, our chief and his leadership team. so we put those things in place about a couple years ago when i came into office. we identified some areas that maybe we can be more specific so that we can avoid any ambiguity. but those are things that ought to be basic standards i think in every department in the country. >> now, when you were on the city council, you voted against the use of tasers for st. paul police. can you explain that? do you think that tasers are more or as much of a problem as other deadly weapons that police have available to them? >> you know, joy, it's an important question because, you know, when you start calling tasers less than lethal, but the truth is sometimes they can be lethal in many different circumstances. i voted against a measure that would have provided a taser for every single officer, and the thing is while tasers i think

can be a good alternative at times than a gun or firearms, we don't want them used as an alternative to words. we don't want them used as an alternative to de-escalation, and i wanted to make sure we had the right policies and procedures in place so that we were sure that we were using them safely and in accordance with international standards. >> and let me ask you this question because it is very difficult, i think, for elected officials to make changes to the way that police operate because the police unions actually have a lot of power. they have a lot of influence over elected officials. how difficult do you think it's going to be for municipalities to change the way police operate and apply more supervision quite frankly given the power of those unions? >> look, joy, i think it requires courage, and i think it requires fortitude. the american people have it. they're in the communities. they're in the streets. they're protesting. they're in front of our capitols. they're in front of our governor's residences all over our country right now.

it's up to those in elected office to follow them as they lead us forward into the future. again, it's the work that we've been doing here in st. paul, and we're fortunate, i'll say, to have a good department. we're fortunate to have a chief who is focused on community engagement, who always talks about the actions of officers being reasonable and necessary and respectful . so we have a lot to work with, but we also know that even though the murder of george floyd, for example, didn't happen in our city, that it sets us back a ways for the work of gaining and regaining trust is never complete. it's work that us mayors, city councilmembers, local elected leaders, faith representatives all across the country can be leading on. but fortunate we weren't two weeks ago, we better be doing it right now. >> you attended the memorial service for george floyd yesterday. it was a very moving service. we all watched it. did you get a chance to speak

with members of the floyd family, and if so, would you be willing to share with us if they told you what if is they want to see changed in terms of policy? >> you know, i didn't speak directly to members of the family. obviously i listened as his brother and other family members talked about who he was, joy. and i think that's so important because while the country and now the world knows all of the painful, excruciating details of how george floyd died, most of us don't know much about how he lived. and that's, i think, the message right now, is that when we say black lives matter, that says don't just all of a sudden start paying attention to george floyd after he's dead because he died in the way he did. but let's start paying attention to the george floyds of the world before they're dead so we can have some stake together in how people live. right now when we say 43 million americans filing for unemployment insurance, when we see over 100,000 americans

having died of covid-19, we know that we have a lot of work to do, particularly where we see the disparities around all of those things. we know that we have a lot of work to do. >> and your father was a police officer if i recall correctly from having interviewed you earlier. >> that's right. he served almost three decades. >> and so when you talk to, you know, members of the other force, you know, off the record of being a mayor and just talking with them, do police officers, you know, get it that there needs to be more supervision and that supervision and having rules is not a threat to good officers? what is the feedback that you're getting from officers about the demand for change? >> joy, look, most of the officers i know, i can't find a single officer who likes that video or thinks that video is anything about despicable. our police chief said this week that he was telling his officers

that if you can find anything honorable in that video, bring me your badge tomorrow. same thing with my father. i grew up seeing an example of a man who would put on his badge, and i saw it as something of a cape. he would put on his badge and go to work, and i got a chance to see just growing up the way he would use that badge and uniform to literally create magic in our community, to help solve problems that otherwise could not be solved because he knew the neighborhood. he lived in the neighborhood. he grew up in the neighborhood. he was raising his children in the neighborhood. he went to a store to get groceries and other things for his family in the neighborhood. he would also say that if you know a community like that, if you know its people and you live with the people, if you know what's right in that community, you can go out of your way to find a million reasons every single day not to shoot someone. i think that's very important, and i also think i'll say, look, in our communities, there's a paradox. just this week we saw how we

needed our police officers, and they provided incredible service, protecting the rights of our protesters to peacefully protest, to gather in front of the capitol, to gather in front of the governor's residence, to march on our busy streets. we needed their help to help protect our lives and livelihood from destruction as we saw that anger turn into destructive and unacceptable behavior. we needed them. we also know every day that our lives are on the line, hoping that officer chauvin isn't the one who responds to a call. >> so well said. st. paul, minnesota, mayor melvin carter, who has become quite a national figure. thank you for that eloquent statement. really appreciate your time this evening. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you so much. we've also got a lot more to get to this hour. up next, the president's stunning take on the news today. we will talk live with

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as we mentioned at the top of the hour, this is what the scene in front of the white house looks like tonight. after d.c. mayor muriel bowser got volunteers to paint "black lives matter" on the street and lit it up with floodlights to make sure donald trump could see it. needless to say the message is not getting through to the current occupant of the white house. amid the growing national outcry over police brutality that's taking place across the country, trump decided to hold a press conference today to tout some slightly better than expected jobs numbers, which still remain near great debrepression levels. and unbelievably, he actually invoked the name of george floyd in doing so. >> hopefully george is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country. this is a great day for him. it's a great day for everybody.

this is a great day for everybody. this is a great, great day in terms of equality. it's really what our constitution requires, and it's what our country is all about. >> and while jaws dropped all over america, mine included, maybe even around the world over donald trump invoking george floyd's memory for a bizarre victory lap about the still deeply struggling u.s. economy, the president's favorite news network ran with the idea of, get this, comparing how the s&p 500 performed after the assassination of dr. king, the acquittal of the police officers who beat rodney king, the killing of michael brown, and the death of george floyd. yes, that is a real graphic that really, really ran on american

cable tv today. by the end of the evening, trump's tone on george floyd had shifted. rather than using his name as a prop for the power of positive thinking on the u.s. economy, he re-tweeted a clip from glenn beck's internet show quoting another far-right provocateur in saying of the late mr. floyd, quote, the fact that he has been held up as a martyr sickens me, unquote. huh. and while trump had no answers today as to what he plans to do about systemic racism and police abuse, some democratic members of congress are stepping forward with an actual plan. a group of democratic house members led by the congressional black caucus are set to release a new bill of police reforms when they return next week. and joining us now is representative karen bass, chair of the congressional black caucus, who is helping spearhead that package of reforms.

congresswoman bass, i cannot have you on without allowing you to comment on donald trump invoking the name of george floyd to pretend the economy at 13% unemployment is great. your thoughts? >> well, you know, i mean the thoughts are awful. i mean george floyd's family laid him to rest yesterday. the grief in minneapolis, and that's what he has to say about it? we know that he is absolutely incapable of feeling empathy, and to see such an embarrassing, ignorant display of it was just shameful. but he also -- i mean he's not moved by the fact that we've lost 100,000 americans, so what's the surprise. >> fair point. firm but fair. firm but fair. this is the political report on the bill that you, madam congresswoman, are working on. it says a bill from democratic house chairman hakeem jeffries that would ban the use of choke holds by police even as most large police departments have restricted the practice. the proposal was one of the few areas of disagreement in a

lengthy call with chairwoman karen bass. what was the disagreement about if i might ask? >> well, actually, i'm not sure. that's not how i would characterize that call at all. first of all, when i did the call, we didn't have the actual bill. we were just talking concepts. and i actually found a lot of support on both sides of the aisle. as you know, that's 50% democrat, 50% republican. so i'm not sure what disagreement they're talking about. >> so can you just lay out what would be -- what would be in the bill if this bill becomes law? what would change? >> absolutely. well, first of all, the congressional black caucus and the leadership will introduce the bill, the identical bill, in the house and the senate on monday. and basically the bill addresses the challenges that we all have in holding police accountable. you can't fire them. you can't sue them. you can't prosecute them. so there are very specific provisions that we're proposing. so, for example, qualified immunity is something that applies to police officers,

which means that you basically can never sue them. there needs to be a national database so when there is a bad officer, that bad officer can't just leave and go to another area. you remember the officer that killed tamir rice had been fired shortly before that. racial profiling, you mentions the choke hold, no-knock warrants should be ended. that's what happened to breonna taylor. the militarization of the police. so it has several different aspects, but i would say the center of it -- and we're calling it by the way the justice and policing act. the center of it is accountability and transparency. and so we think it's a landmark legislation. we're going to work very hard to unite our caucus and to reach out to republicans. and back to that call, i found out that two of my republican colleagues, one was a former police officer, the other one's son is a current police officer, and they both talked about how they were horrified at what happened to george floyd. but the way we're framing it also is no profession, no

profession wants to have a bad apple bring the name of the profession down. you as a journalist, a teacher, a doctor, a lawyer, nobody wants to have bad apples. so we want the police departments to be able to get rid of them, and we also want to make sure that they don't go and serve as a police officer in another area. so we want to build support for this. we think this is a critical bill, and we do believe that it will turn the curve. it doesn't solve everything, but we do believe that it will make a very significant difference. >> and is there at this point -- i don't know if you're at the stage yet whether you know whether or not in the other building, are there republicans willing -- you only need three of them to sign on to get it past mitch mcconnell. any thoughts on whether or not there will be enough republicans to make this get through the senate? >> well, you know, i'm certainly hopeful. of course in the senate we have our two cbc members, snoenator

booker and senator harris, and they are taking the lead on it in the senate. and we are moving quickly because the momentum is there. i know talking to the senators they're very hopeful, one, that they can unite their caucus, but also that they will be able to get some republican support. and for us to introduce identical bills, i think that gives us a very good head start. so i'm looking forward to going back on monday, having a press conference. on wednesday we're having a hearing in judiciary. then on thursday, it's going to be cbc day on the hill. we're going to have our own briefing where we're going to talk to members from the community, some people that were involved in protests. and then, you know, it's also an opportunity and there is a provision in the bill to provide grants to community-based organizations to begin to re-envision public safety. what type of policing would we like to see in our community? i represent a district that one side is very affluent, and the police deal with that side completely different than they do south central los angeles, which is also in my district.

>> congresswoman karen bass, chairwoman of the congressional black caucus, thank you very much for illuminating that information on the bill. we'll be checking that out next week. have a wonderful night. >> thank you. >> thank you. tonight we're getting new information about a shouting match between donald trump and his top general. an alleged heated confrontation between trump and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley occurred monday, the same day that peaceful protesters were teargassed outside the white house so trump could take a walk across the street to a church and make a video of himself holding a bible upside down. the new yorkers's dexter fill kin writes, in a meeting in the oval office, trump expressed a desire to quell the protests by sending forces, not the national guard, but regular military into american cities, and milley resisted. they got into a shouting match one senior military official told "the new yorker" with trump finally backing down. while the white house denies it, another official confirmed the

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it was supposed to be routine, procedural. instead, it was fireworks. when the three former officers charged with aiding and abetting in the murder of george floyd appeared in court for the first time, that's when attorneys for the two rookie cops tried to shift the blame to senior officer derek chauvin. who had his knee on george floyd's neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds. the lawyer for one of the rookie cops argued, quote, what was he supposed to do? go up to mr. chauvin and grab him and throw him off? and, quote, they're required to call him sir. he has 20 years experience. what is my client supposed to do but follow what the training officer said? is that aiding and abetting in a crime?

ah, yes, the lap dog defense, works every time. now, those are the two rookie cops. the third officer who is charged with aiding and abetting, apparently he is cooperating with investigators, which is extraordinary just on the face of it. as "the new york times" notes, quote, it is not common for officers to break ranks or cross what is often called the blue wall of silence. and here's something else to look forward to. officer derek chauvin, the one they are trying to say is the only one responsible for george floyd's murder, well, he makes his first court appearance on monday. as rachel likes to say, watch this space. joining us now is former federal prosecutor glenn kirschner. he spent 24 years with the d.c. u.s. attorney's office, and, glenn, i really appreciate you being here tonight and staying up with me. so i'm not a lawyer, but i do know that the saying would go, the first one to make a deal wins. so in this case, who do you think is sort of putting themselves in a better position? the one officer who is

supposedly cooperating, meaning he's probably cooperating against chauvin, or the other two officers who are saying, hey, wait, not us. we were just the junior guys on the scene? >> well, joy, great to be with up at night this night. here's what i'll say. i think the state of minnesota has a keen and compelling interest in holding all of these police officers accountable. you know, i had plenty of cases where there were multiple defendants that we were charging with either jointly perpetrating a crime or being part of a conspiracy in committing multiple crimes together. and what i would try to do is if i really needed an insider, an insider to the conspiracy to prove the criminal charges against the other defendants, then i might be willing to negotiate a plea bargain and bring that one defendant on board as a cooperating witness, flipping him against the other defendants. but, you know, we have evidence

of this crime in unfortunately living color on videotape. so i don't know that the one officer who might be least culpable because he didn't have his hands on george floyd at least as much as the others, maybe he was doing crowd control, i don't even know that the prosecutors need his testimony to convict the others. and if they do, let's hope they don't cut him a sweetheart deal but they make him take a big bite of criminal culpability for participating in this murder of mr. floyd. >> yeah. let's talk about while i have you here, i'll take full advantage of having you here. there's a bloomberg article that talks about this push to control the protest in d.c., which have been peaceful protests but have been met with military force. has now topped 7,600 personnel. quote, the document shows total deployments from the u.s. capital police, washington police department, and the u.s. secret service bureau of

prisons, the u.s. marshal service, drug and enforcement agencies, u.s. park police and fbi agents. the dallas morning news has reported that, quote, riot forces at the white house include tactical teams that are wearing insignia from texas federal prisons. rachel reported on this earlier. some of the unidentified officers had shirts on with texas flags and symbols from the texas federal prison system, which the question then becomes if these officers who seem to have been marshaled up by the department of justice, by attorney general william barr from all the federal prison systems and federal agencies, if they commit abusive acts, who then -- how would they be held accountable because a lot of them, no one knows who they are, and they won't tell people who they are. >> yeah, it's a great question, joy. i mean consistency of policing, particularly under really difficult circumstances like mass protests, is -- it's difficult in a perfect world. when you have a unity that has

trained together and knows how each other will respond during a protest. i will say that if any of these disparate law enforcement forces commit crimes in the district of columbia, we're going to have basically dual jurisdiction because if a crime is committed in d.c., guess what? the washington metropolitan police department, mpd, will have jurisdiction over any crime of violence that occurs in d.c., even if it occurs on federal property. however, the federal government, the department of justice, will also have jurisdiction. so it would be concurrent jurisdiction and, you know, different agencies would have to coordinate with each other to decide who's going to take the lead in the prosecution much as we see in the george floyd case with the department of justice announcing it is also opening an investigation into the death of

george floyd to see if maybe his civil rights were violated. but bill barr has announced that investigation will take a back seat to the state prosecution because the state has the most direct compelling interest in prosecuting the killers of george floyd. >> before i let you go, i got to get your take on this dexter filkins reporting that you now have everyone trying to run from the policy of clearing those streets with tear gas. you now have this dexter filkins piece where mr. milley, general milley, is trying to say, you know, that there's a screaming match with him saying he didn't want to use the army in that way. you have attorney general barr sort of walking back from responsibility for creating this secret police force. what do you make of people sort of running away from the policies? >> well, the fact that they're running away from what happened reinforces just how wrong it was to use force against peaceful

protesters who were exercising their first amendment right to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of their grievances. the fact that they were -- let's call it what it was -- assaulted with tear gas and flashbang grenades, somebody should be made to account. frankly, i would like to see some of those protesters walk down to indiana avenue to mpd headquarters and file assault complaints because let's be clear. they were assaulted. the other thing, joy, when you mentions the general milley piece of this, you know, i am glad to see there was a shouting match where it is being reported that general milley pushed back on the president and said basically we're not going to use military forces to enforce civilian law. that happens to be the law under the posse comitatus act. as soldiers, i was in the army on active duty for six years. we are taught that we must

disobey an unlawful order, and it sounds like at least general milley for the moment is up to that task. >> yeah, but he still did go along with doing the photo op, which is -- that's why a lot of people are still criticizing him, but excellent point. glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor with the u.s. attorney's office in d.c., thank you so much for staying up for us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, the leaders of the protests -- one of the leaders of the protest in minneapolis joins us live. ta-da!

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protests in minneapolis. as "the washington post" described it, royce white felt he had to act after seeing the video of george floyd's murder. quote, after seeing the video, white texted a group of 30 minnesota athletes, some of them college players, some of them current and former professionals. his message, it was time to get publicly involved with the struggle. enough was enough. so they marched from u.s. bank stadium, home of the minnesota vikings, down to interstate 35, where it passes over the mississippi river. dozens turned to hundreds turned to thousands with white in the lead. a week later royce white was back at the stadium once again, today with thousands of peaceful protesters paying their respects to george floyd. and he says their fight is far from over. royce white joins us now from minneapolis. mr. white, it's a great pleasure to have you here tonight. thank you for staying up with us. talk about what it is that your protest is -- what is the message that the protest is meant to convey? what is it that you want to see

changed? >> yeah, i guess for me, looking at these situations of politics, my takeaway is that the people of this country have lost their sovereignty. the black community is no different. the black community may be in particular, and marching and publicly demonstrating our freedom collectively as a unit allows us to fight the tyranny of the state and really re-establish our sovereignty. this is the third march we've done, you know, upwards of 40,000 people. we haven't had one fight. and what that shows you is that we can police ourselves with the right mind-set, with the right attitude, with the right spirit of the people. >> have you heard about these proposed changes to the way that police would be allowed to operate in the city of minneapolis? they would not be allowed to use, you know, stun guns on people. they would not be allowed to use tear gas without permission. the choke hold would be banned. do you think that this activism

is going to become that specific to try to support those reforms? >> i'm okay with testing those ideas out. right now in our organization, 10k, we are talking about pushing the police all the way outside the circle of trust and having them re-establish their entry into the circle of trust through their actions and through proving that they can be trusted in that circle. you know, i don't think that kneeling on a man's neck was ever in their protocols or that their policies call for or allow a cop to murder george floyd in cold blood. so i'm not sure that what's on the books will uphold even the reforms. i'm just not confident in that. i'm confident to the point where a person with a badge, an extension of the state, decides to do something heinous, malicious, that we'll always be talking about it in the reactive sense. and stun guns, all of those

things we can try, but we're going to continue to push that we need to re-establish sovereignty, that the state is out of control. the power of these police unions are out of control. and we have to re-establish some self-governance as communities across this country. >> i don't know if you can see this in your television here. this is the minneapolis police union chief, his name is lieutenant bob kroll. he's depicted in this image with donald trump at a trump rally in minneapolis. this was in october of 2019. do you feel in any way that the president of the united states has negatively influenced the attitudes of police and the way that they behave? >> i just don't think donald trump is that smart. i don't take him serious. i don't think he's a serious person. he's not alone. obviously i think there are a lot of people on the political stage that aren't serious. this guy bob kroll is a crook. you know, he's a kkk guy for

sure, and i don't say that flippantly. i think that, you know, as we discussed things over these last two weeks, we have been very familiar with hearing that the kkk has a very strong presence in the police union here in minnesota. that's sad because we have such a beautiful multi-cultural demographic here in the twin cities and in minnesota. but the things bob kroll said about george floyd are despicable, unsenabacceptable, calling him a violent criminal, calling these protesters terrorists. you know, it's just fruit from the same poisonous tree. i think bguys like bob kroll should resign. this isn't just about george floyd and the four cops who were there for his murder. this is about a system that allows those cops to have badges and as such allows a guy like bob kroll to be a lieutenant, somebody who oversees these cops

and oversees the union. with a guy like him in charge, the union shouldn't have a leg to stand on in our opinion. >> royce white, former nba player who has become a protest leader in minneapolis, thanks so much for being here tonight. i should note just for our viewers that we don't have information about mr. kroll and the klan. we don't have that information, that reporting, so i want up guys to know that's not our reporting, but this is this gentleman's opinion on him. thank you so much. really appreciate it. meanwhile, this week in virginia, governor ralph northam ordered the gigantic general lee statue removed from state property in richmond and warehoused while the community figures how what to do with it. meanwhile the mayor of richmond is calling for the all confederate statues to also come down. the new state law passed by the majority democratic legislature will give the city council the power to do that as of july 1st. this is why you vote. still the wait may seem like forever in richmond compared to the pace in other cities.

in birmingham, alabama, the mayor took down a monument this week in a city park after protesters started the job. the state attorney general is suing over it under a law that bans removing confederate statues. but, oh, well. at the other end of alabama in mobile, confederate admiral ralph sims had occupied the intersection of government and royal streets until this morning when the city awoke to find him gone. the mayor says he ordered the removal yesterday, and it was done. and in montgomery, alabama, another statue of general lee was toppled by protesters recently at robert e. lee high school and the local d.a. decided not to prosecute. a march against police brutality is planned at the alabama department of archives and history tomorrow. meanwhile, no word on whether the alabama attorney general intends to go after the mayor of mobile. we shall see. i would not bet on balabama

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you can count on us. the crowds turning out for justice this past week and a half have been amazing to see. it turns out they're also amazing to hear. >> no justice, no peace. >> no justice. >> no peace. >> no justice.

>> no peace. >> since i was 12 years old, i've been fighting for justice, for the understanding that black lives do truly matter. >> i think it's absolutely abhorrent that at this day and time we're still having to go through this. >> at 19 years old, nothing has changed. we are still fighting for the same thing. >> black people have been fighting this fight for years, hundreds of years. and it's a shame that in 1962 to 2020, i'm still seeing the same thing. >> we want change, and you can see that from all the people here, all races, all creeds, all people are here with this one message. and i think that's beautiful. >> i donask for all law enforcet

to please, please hear our cries. ♪ lean on me when you're not strong ♪ ♪ i'll be your friend friend ♪ ♪ every day i've been hunted as prey, don't want no trouble, we've been on the struggle ♪ ♪ i just want to live, god protect me ♪ >> i'm sorry, those babies win the week. that's does it for us for now. see you in a few hours on "a.m. joy," now it's time for "the last word". tonight we begin with too obvious point, this is the wrong president for this moment. in a 53-minute press conference this morning the president illustrated repeatedly and tragically how ill suited he is to understanding and addressing