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no justice! >> no peace! >> no justice. >> no peace. >> raise your hands like this. >> we are just trying to get our voices heard. >> whose lives matter? >> black lives matter! >> just a few calls to action around the world after the kill of george floyd. i'm alex witt at msnbc world
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headquarters, saturday, june 6th. unrelenting protests around this nation. thousands marched from coast to coast while police respond with projectiles and more arrests. and new fallout and outrage over police use of force against peaceful protesters. this large demonstration in portland, oregon turned ugly last night when objects started flying, including flash grenades and smoke devices, sending protesters scampering to safety. and then there was this. >> back up. back up. that's it. thank you. thank you. >> i was arrested for walking on the sidewalk. >> that was from brooklyn, new york, where nypd officers started taking protesters into custody. this is happening as police use of force and tear gas at protests are coming under increasing scrutiny.
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you have guns, we have flowers was the chant from protesters in seattle. a federjudge said the threat to physical safety and free speech outweighs the threat to property. and philadelphia staff inspector was charged with aggravated assault after video of this beating went viral. similar scenes played out during the week in viral videos from l.a. officers wielding batons on protesters there. in new york city over the course of the last few days, in spite of all of this, two of the country statesmen, former president obama say they are seeing opportunity for
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meaningful change. >> most people out on the streets, that is -- that's a seed change. >> they're going to help redeem the soul of america and save our country and maybe help save the pl pl planet. in louisville, a birthday party of sorts for breonna taylor. her portrait was projected onto metro hall late into the evening hours. >> two buffalo, new york police officers who allegedly pushed the 75-year-old protester to the ground in this video are expected to be charged today. this as 57 of their fellow officers resigned from that department's emergency response team in support of the officers who struck that elderly man. cori coffin in new york times square there. with a good morning to you, what more are you learning about police officers and those using excessive force during these
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protests? >> reporter: yeah. it seems to be one of the prolific stories out of new york and new york city specifically, alex. good morning to you. we also know two others are in under investigation. these two nypd officers are under investigation and on leave without pay after two incidents were caught on camera. one showing a police officer pepper spraying a man after removing his mask to basically more effectively get the pepper spray up against his face. and another viral video of the woman being thrown to the ground. you may remember we introduced this video last week. she had a concussion and suffered a seizure after she was released from the hospital. there have been still a handful of incidents that have been caught on camera that are now under investigation. and she addressed all of that in a press conference recently. listen to what she had to say.
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>> so i want to know if the police aren't upholding the law and they aren't following the law and they aren't protecting the people, why do we have a police force? i want to believe that there are good cops out there. i have seen good cops out there. i've seen a select few who have taken a kneel and i have met a few in the past. but these officers must be the standard and not the exception. >> reporter: she is talking about videos like this where you siba tons being used on peaceful protesters. again, nypd confirming this video also under investigation. and another incident drawing ire from people is new york officers were seen arresting a delivery cyclist past curfew. he was stopped and detained after curfew.
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we all know the rules say essential workers can remain on the streets. so it certainly is drawing the ire of people who are watching what's happening in the state, alex. this as more protests are planned for today. nypd trying to move forward, trying to keep the peace and deescalate more so than they have in weeks prior. >> thanks so much for that, cori. joining me now a former member of president bomb's task force and former public safety director of dekalb county, georgia. cedric, what do you think needs to be done with police reform to make sure there is not another tragedy like george floyd? >> well, even if you take the minneapolis case just for an example and the four officers involved in that incident, that is suggestive to me of a much broader -- in that organization in order to be able to sustain
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those types of personalities with those types of behaviors. so there's a number of things going to have to happen, alex. i think from the beginning, one, is we have to look at who we are hiring, that they have the compassion to have some type of moral compass about themselves in order to have some affection to the people in which they serve. yes, police is a difficult, challenging and dangerous job. but you still have to be humanistic in your delivery of that service. so there's going to be a lot of changes i think that's going to come even if we look at recently what you all have just described. >> cedric, let me ask you about both incidents. the nypd police officer threw her to the ground, causing her a concussion. in addition, the elderly gentleman being pushed to the ground, bleeding from his ear as
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cops walked by. the one cop who pulled down a face mask to spray pepper spray. and you know what happens then? the reason he's wearing a face mask is to protect himself from coronavirus. then he stops coughing, obviously. that's not helpful. what is that about? >> well, it's unexplainable. certainly there is lack of supervision, leadership on the streets. we are seeing people who are certainly being injured during the protests and officers just walking away, giving the appearance of just walking away. that is not acceptable. and that's not going to begin to bridge this healing in which everyone is going through. police departments are struggling because there are a lot of good police officers who are out there who really want to see things better. for those who go out and commit these types of spontaneous acts, if you will, it doesn't look
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good. the optics are terrible. it is certainly not going to make things better. i would encourage any city that is going through this challenge right now with civil unrest is make sure you have close supervision of your men and women. it's very stressful for them. i'll give them that. it is certainly stressful for them. but it is inexcusable to see some of the behaviors we witnessed here. >> there is a lot of stress in the job of being a police officer, particularly when you're surrounded by a crowd of people that you can sense a palpable sense that there is a lot of anger. sure, there's going to be some fear. and i will give that to them as well. but the way they react when they have the power of a baton, they have the power of shields, they have the power of pepper spray, they have a power of a gun in their holster at some point. sit remarkable the lack of restraint despite having that restraint. this l.a.p.d. is appalling. they are just going out and wielding their batons wildly
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there. cedric, hang on just a minute. i want to bring in my colleague steve patterson from minneapolis. that has been his post for quite some time. peaceful protests have been on the rise there. and i know we have seen some glimmers of hope as well. you have been so good about pointing all of those out. but what happened -- what were the actions by the city council that helped lead to this? >> reporter: yeah. another consecutive night of peace here in minneapolis that has led the city to cancel curfew for this weekend. city council has said that they want to specifically dismantle the way minneapolis police operate. in other words, to change sort of the policy, to make certain reforms that put in place that maybe have a call for instead of police responding all the time, maybe you would have a social worker, medic or a team with a social worker and medic.
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those are the issues they're talking about, along with banning the choke holds. again, we have been talking about this pretty much all week. and now they're focused on policy. i want to play exactly what they're talking about. listen to this. in minneapolis, a shift. for several consecutive nights, violence has given way to peaceful demonstrations, leading the city to end its curfew. but the passion still present. the focus now reformation. >> the world is watching minneapolis, and we are ready to rise to the occasion. >> reporter: friday, minneapolis city council voted unanimously to require officers to intervene any time they see unauthorized use of force by another cop and to ban police choke holds altogether. >> when i hear that, the first thing is that is a pretty damn low bar in terms of we haven't had that. but to think about this, that's
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in many communities. and it took this to get it done. >> reporter: the move comes after lisa bender vowed to dismantle the police department, replacing it with a new model for public safety. following the state's order of a sweeping civil rights investigation of the police department earlier this week >> to folks that idea sounds radical, i invite you in to that process with an open mind. >> reporter: overnight, denver and kansas city reviewing police use of tear gas. meanwhile, the four officers at the center of the case remain in custody. heavily redacted personnel records show derek chauvin had more than 15 conduct complaints in his 19-year career on the force. across the country, night 11. waves of peaceful protests reverberated in the nation's large cities from los angeles to d.c. to new york. but they are also happening in small towns. from 2,500 in leonard town,
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maryland to ridgway, pennsylvania, population, 3,500. a call to action in every corner of the country. finally, on what would have been her27th birthday, a portrait of breonna taylor like an angel watching over fists raised in her name and in the name of social justice. so that's a look across the country. but look back here in minneapolis. this is another stunning memorial almost a makeshift graveyard. 100 names of black lives lost in a case of injustice here. meanwhile, chauvin, the officer who put the knee on the neck, is believed to be in court on monday. he's yet to give any statements. the three former officers expected to have oral arguments at some point toward the end of the month, alex. >> i see the name walter scott
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over your left shoulder, someone who gained national attention as well right by you. thank you so much. cedric alexander, back to you. you were part of president obama's task force in 2014, the police task force. tell me some of the initiatives that you helped to introduce that might have affected the reaction to george floyd's killing. >>. >> well, let me say this. when we delivered that document to then president obama on march 22nd, 2015, it had 56 pillars. and one of the pillars, the very first one is building trust and legitimacy. on the back end, the other back bookend was officer wellness. one of the most important things we put a great deal of emphasis on was building trust in communities and establishing
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that in which people felt they could trust their police departments. that did well. the president promoted that throughout the country. body worn cameras were born out of that document. and then a new administration came into play, and that document was deep sensed under former attorney general jeff sessions. we don't have anything at this very important we can give to the public. but we can pull that document off the shelf. in there, 60, 70 recommendations that had been made that we know are workable and that are evidenced and science based and the information that was gathered was gathered from people from across this country who belonged to police unions, civil rights groups, human rights groups, academics, you name it. every american in this country,
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every organization had an opportunity to contribute to that document. and it proved to be worth while. so it needs to be taken off the shelf, alex. right now we have nothing. >> which is a frightening concept in itself. i thought even just the visual, cedr cedric, it talked about the way a police officer is outfitted, not to be so oss steer in that appearance. there is a way to almost soften the visuals, which helps not put forward the distinction between a protester and a police officer, right? something as simple as that. . >> well, in a peaceful protest, certainly in a peaceful protest, where you have your police that are present and depending what the situation may be, they may have to dress themselves in much more protective gear, particularly in something that may turn violent. because they can't carry out
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their mission or job as law enforcement officers, especially if things are violent. but what we're seeing now are peaceful protesters that are being engaged by what appear to be military-style equipment. that heightens and raises the temperature. so it's very delicate. but here's what i would say, alex, to many of the elected officials that are struggling with these unrest in their communities is that we've got to pull back a little bit. and we have to sit with our leadership. and we have to define what it is that we want to do in this very important. because things are changing every day. and these images are police officers being overly aggressive, pushing people to the ground. walking off. that is not acceptable. and people are getting tired of hearing where their on administrative leave. those types of things should not happen right now. one thing that will be important
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as we move forward and try to heal some of these wounds, we need closer supervision. the police officers are under a lot of stress, but i'm not going to excuse the unprofessional behavior we have seen in some of these cases. you're not being helpful to the profession by doing that. >> cedric alexander, thank you so much for your insights. i appreciate that. the nfl's new message in the wake of nationwide protests. mike tirico of nbc sports will join me to talk about it next. i. i've always loved seeing what's next.
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>> the systematic oppression of black people. we the national football league admit we were wrong for not listening to nfl players earlier and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest.
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we at the national football league believe black lives matter. i personally protested with you and want to be part of the much needed change in this country. >> joining me now nbc's sports host mike tirico. good to see you. let's get into this. how big a deal is this video message? how often does the nfl speak out like this? >> in its tone, we have never seen that before. it is extraordinarily rare. the words a lot of them that roger goodell used were in direct response to a video that came from the players the day before like patrick mahomes from kansas city chiefs. michael thomas, wide receiver from new orleans h, one of the top five in the mvp voting this year. young, big names in the game. a lot of their words goodell used in what he wanted the league's players to hear. the league is more than two-thirds african-american in
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terms of the player composition. and the league has been supportive in many different ways. $44 million already donated to social injustice causes. when the commissioner saw the video, he felt he needed to respond in video and did that friday morning. it will remain to be seen what happens going forward. this was a very significant step of acknowledgment from the most powerful person in sports, roger goode goodell. >> yeah. how much do you think he was speaking to colin kaepernick and all the supporters that supported him in first taking the knee? . >> i think significantly. although, as some who have been on social media critical of the goodell statement, colin kaepernick's name was not mentioned in this video. in this instance and others, it is going to be a question of do you hold what has happened in
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the past against people for this? do you acknowledge their ability to say we were incorrect in our feelings here. we didn't understand. and we're listening and are going to change. and a lot of the conversation here will evolve to learning and listening. and if you take that as a positive step, and that's what's happened here at the national football league level with the commissioner, the 32 owners to see if they continue to follow down the path. it is very significant that the colin kaepernick story will get complete resolution even if he does come back and play. we toep where his football skills after three or so years.l skills after three or so years. i do think kaepernick's cause, from the nfl's perspective, has certainly been heard and responded to by the league with the statement from the commissioner yesterday. >> how much, mike, do you expect that we will see either individuals, if not the entire
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lineup of a team, kneeling during the national anthem this season? >> well, we saw the protests when this was so raw and significant. it's even more raw and significant for so many folks now. it would not be a surprise to see a variety of different protests. perhaps it will manifest in a different way, different form for the players. you will certainly hear and see from players. i don't think this is just an nfl story. we will see basketball come back in the next six or seven weeks playing in orlando. the whole league, 22 teams, i should say, will be in one place. i'm sure you will see support there in their form of protests. how it will manifest itself is hard to say. roger goodell even acknowledged peaceful protests are things the league needs to be more aware of. the jacksonville jaguars players and doug marrone were out.
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so there are players that you are showing protesting on a regular basis now. >> drew brees is certainly in the news. the president said he would never agree with kneeling during the national anthem. look, brees went back in addressing him in instagram saying this is not an issue about the american flag. it never has been. what do you interpret in all of this back and forth between the two of them? >> yeah. there's a lot of back and forth starting with comments brees made earlier in the week. his players, other players in other sports reacted to brees' comments. and drew brees said i didn't have a great ability to separate the two and that was shame on me. and i need to. and he came out and apologized to his teammates and apologized with a virtual team meeting, because none of the teams are fully in place to do their gatherings they do in the summer. when the president said he
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shouldn't have apologized he said, no, mr. president, this is why i think this and i was wrong in my initial statement and conversation. part of the listening and learning process that i mentioned a few minutes ago. brees' teammates, many have taken to social media with strong backing of their quarterback for going back at the president with these comments. you win one, you lose one. i think this is going to be an issue that if we see what happened three years ago, four years ago now repeat itself, we will see people on either side of the debate for how the protests happened and when they happened. this is the issue of the moment. and it has great significance and feeling for so many folks. the question is where will that be come fall if there are protests during the national anthem. anything regarding that would be guesswork at this point. a very strong statement from brees to go directly back to the president that played well with his african-american and nonafrican-american teammates as well from their social media
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a live look at the capitol and the white house. in a matter of hours, huge crowds are expected to fill the streets of d.c., the largest of the gatherings since the killing of george floyd. kelly, good morning to you, my friend. what are the expectations? >> reporter: well, good morning, alex. even at this hour early, there is already a visible sign of security anticipating those protests today. and it comes at a time when president trump has drawn some criticism and raised questions in the way that he invoked the name of george floyd during an event here at the white house that was about the economy. and the president looking to shine a light on some much
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needed positive economic news. the president's neighborhood again the scene for protests late friday. more demonstrations surrounded president trump's day trip to maine. where the president tried to play economy cheerleader after surprisingly strong may jobs numbers. >> we absolutely shattered expectations. and this is the largest monthly job increase in american history. >> reporter: amid his enthusiasm, earlier in the rose garden the president made a striking turn. summoning the name of george floyd and claiming a new day for equal justice. >> they have to receive fair treatment from law enforcement. they have to receive it. we all saw what happened last week. we can't let that happen. hopefully george is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country. this is a great day for him.
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it's a great day for everybody. this is a great day for everybody. this is a great, great day. in terms of equality. >> reporter: that description of floyd drew swift criticism from joe biden. >> george floyd's last words, i can't breathe," "i can't breathe," echoed all across this nation and quite frankly around the world. for the president to try to put any other words in the mouth of george floyd i frankly think is despicable. >> reporter: more heat from former trump allies. james mattis criticized the president's judgment on the role of military during civilian protests. former chief of staff john kelly sided with mattis. >> for him to do that tells you where he is. >> reporter: then kelly made pointed comments about leadership. >> i think we should look at people that are running for office and put them through the filter. what is their character like?
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what is this -- what are their ethics. >> reporter: and the president has had a running verbal battle with the mayor of the district of columbia, muriel bowser. she has asked for federal law enforcement and national guard to leave the city. the president has been arguing that local officials like mayors and governors need to dominate the streets. in a very vivid display, muriel bowser dominated the streets in her own way, having the city department paint "black lives matter" in yellow letters leading to the white house in the same place where there had been that peaceful protest dispersed by federal law enforcement and shined the words "black lives matter" in a place on one of the buildings here which conceivably the president could see from the white house. the president has called her in competent. in one of her responses to that criticism, she used the phrase, you know the words about the pot
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and the kettle? that was bowser's retort to the president. >> did you see the bright yellow letters from the air? it is so profound. unbelievable. do you think you can see it, say, from the second floor of the white house? >> reporter: i think given the moment of the additional fencing it might be difficult. but they have also renamed a couple of blocks as black lives matter plaza. with the president, who consumes as much media and video and television as we know this one does, he is certainly aware of those images. and if he ever takes another stroll through lafayette park, he would see it. gregory meeks, member of the congressional black caucus. good to see you, as always. what do you make of the president's remarks in the rose garden yesterday? >> look, i just -- i think general mattis and general kelly has basically said it all.
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for him to bring up the name of george floyd is just despicable. and his whole demeanor and the way that he conducts and carries himself is despicable. the way he has ordered the military to go against the peaceful protesters in lafayette park is just despicable. for him to hold the bible up at the church is just despicable and is remind me of individuals -- dictators. you can go back to the '30s and of the most hardlined individuals to this day that people do not stand for like his friend kim jong-un. he has divided the nation and he needs to go.
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>> you mentioned general mattis and general kelly. what do you make of their profound statements, and no matter what the president has said about mattis. both of those generals resigned their positions. the president did not fire them. they both got to a point, for whatever reason, they felt like it was time to leave their tenure in the white house. then coming back with the statements, how effective do you think that might be in changing the mind-set even of some your colleagues in congress. >> i would hope it raises a lot of colleagues, especially my republican colleague, that they should allow themselves to listen to their conscience. you should know right from wrong. these are adults. that's why you see all the people in the streets. i have to believe when i look at the streets recently and the protesters, i'm so proud. and i have to believe that we
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see black and white. you saw latinos and asians. and i have to believe you see democrats and republicans out there also. you can't tell, but i think you see true americans stepping up. that's what happened with general mattis and general kelly. they have to speak stand up and speak their mind. >> there are many calling for the defunding of police. reimagining public safety. do you agree with that and what might that look like? >> first of all, i agree we cannot continue to militaryize the police department. and we can't continue to give them money without accountability and transparency. so we need to know. i mean, what happens here with this blue wall of silence which i think is unethical, we need to make sure we break that down. if you are receiving public
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money, you have to be held accountable for it, and it has to be transparent. that's one thing the congressional black caucus that we will be putting forward together, a bill where we have data where police violence is occurring and what cities and offices are the worst offenders. we will call it the george floyd law. so without that, yes, you sho d should -- there's got to be accountability and transparency. >> what about mayor bill de blasio here in new york city? he has taken a lot of heat for how he has handled the protests. what are your thoughts? are you critical of the way he has done so? . >> well, i think the heat is clearly somewhat justified. i think some of the policies put forward causes problems as opposed to resolving problems. we have seen some of the actions
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of the police department. you know, we agree to disagree sometimes. but i strongly disagree sw some of the things he has done in new york. i disagree with the fact that he put a curfew. my opinion is most of the people when you put the curfew in, what he did was when you are protesting the whom idea of civil disobedience is to diso y disobey. individuals were coming out because they wanted to disobey a law that the mayor put in place that was not there to allow peaceful protests. he could have just simply said we condemn those trying to
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hijack these peaceful marches. he could have asked them to focus the police on them and not on the peaceful protests. >> there will be a lot of analysis of the way he has handled things going forward, that's for sure. good to see you. stay safe and well, my friend. we will talk about new polls in key battle ground states. what they might mean as joe biden pulls ahead of the president. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections
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now to the race for 2020, new polls show joe biden leading donald trump in a handful of key battleground states. fox new poll shows biden up by nine points in wisconsin. in ohio, two-point lead. in arizona, president trump trailing biden by four. and the "new york times" is reporting they are looking at the electoral map and does not like what it sees. susan dell percenteo, republican strategist and columnist with ozzy media. and white house reporter with the hill. ladies, welcome to you both. susan, it's too early to get complacent, right? >> yeah. >> what are your thoughts on the election bid so far? >> it is several months away, alex. no one should get complacent. it doesn't mean it is a done deal for joe biden by any stretch of the imagination.
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ohio, while it's close, if that flips for joe biden, it's obviously game over. but there is a long way to go. and one of the things that helped donald trump get elected in 2016 and will most likely be as equally important in 2020 is the economy. it's also the one area where overall polling shows that joe biden is not doing as well as donald trump. so while he's killing it when it comes to race relations and every other issue facing leadership trustworthy joe biden is double digits ahead of president trump. the economy, he's not. and that is what joe biden needs to do right now, is focus on what is the biden recovery plan. . >> yeah. so, morgan, the trump campaign seeing numbers pushing back against the "new york times" story. it says our internal data consistently shows the president running strong against a defined
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joe biden in all of our key states. >> well, we have seen the president dismiss the new polls in fox news radio interview this week saying he was leading in the polls he had seen internally. i do think we see signs that the campaign is worried. the president discussed messaging and polling earlier this week. and republicans look at these polls and see concerns. concerns that trump could drag republicans down in the senate. so i think, you know, publicly there's a show of force in competence. and we see signs of concerns. >> i want to go deeper into the numbers leading on the economy, joe biden leading in every other sentence. they trust biden more particularly when it comes to race relations. former vice president, 13-point lead in wisconsin as we get to that, trump and biden are neck and neck on the economy. might surprise some. three points there within the
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margin of difference. racial equality in the country overall and in that state biden leads there. are these going to be the issues that dominate in november, do you think? that comes up. will these persist with the economy and race relations over the next five months? >> that and the coronavirus. do we see a resurgence coming back? >> who does that help? the coronavirus? in terms of how it plays out. if the coronavirus does not return particularly, does that help the president? >> in hetheory, that means the economy is doing better and that helps the president more. it is interesting, alex, the president wants to change the conversation on the coronavirus because he was doing so poorly in the polling on it. he switched to -- i guess his form of policing. now he is getting worse results when it comes to that.
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floyd. this is the main thoroughfare in town and going to the police station to make remarks and heading to city hall to hear from singers and speakers. people are hoping this is a positive event and peaceful event. i spoke to the mayor who said he is handling the difference with peaceful events during a coronavirus pandemic. >> the constitution should not be trumped because of the pandemic. we have to work within all of the guidelines to preserve people's health, but also their right to protest. frankly speaking, i believe our city and residents need to heal and express themselves. >> reporter: now folks here and organizers here hope makes a change in the community and across the state and nation. in just in new jersey alone, alex, more than 100 protests have happened in the last two weeks.
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there is another 30 scheduled for today alone. that's going to happen throughout the past two weeks and coming days. the protests will happen down that way and it will be what folks are hoping to be a positive experience. alex. >> a beautiful community. in my town where i live outside of new york city, there was a demonstration earlier this week. about 150 people gathered. it was peaceful and profound and left everybody in the community with a lot to discuss. there are benefits to doing these peacefully. thank you, gary, in englewood, new jersey. that's it for me this hour. i'm alex witt. i'll see you at noon. coming up on "velshi" ali will talk with the granddaughter of muhammad ali and several law enforcement leaders, including the houston police chief and our own reverend al. "velshi" starting next. shi" stat hold my pouch.
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americans from far and wide will gather in north carolina today to memorialize george floyd. crowds will be in the thousands. a gfar greater number continue o protest for the 11th straight night for the death of unarmed black americans. after a