george's name and say get your knee off our necks. but i'm more hopeful today than ever. why? well, let me go back. reverend jackson always taught me stay on your text, ecclesi t ecclesias ecclesiasts. there is a time and a season and when i looked this time and saw marches where in some cases young whites outnumbered the blacks marching, i know that it's a different time and a different season. when i looked and saw people in germany marching for george floyd, it's a different time and a different season. that's how long he was laying there.

there's no excuse. they had enough time. they had enough time. now what will we do with the time we have? >> welcome back, i'm ali velshi, that was just a portion of my colleague's impassioned eulogy for george floyd at a memorial service in minneapolis on thursday. it has been nearly two weeks since the unarmed 46-year-old was killed sparking a call for drastic change in policing. reverend al is going to join me in a moment to discuss the worldwide impact of george floyd's death. first, protests continued in cities across the nation on friday for an 11th straight night. look at this in buffalo, watch this. police pushed that man down. "the washington post" headline this morning reading in protests against police brutality videos capture more alleged police brutali brutality. there's that man lying on the ground while cops walk around him bleeding from the head. the new york and philadelphia police department anonsed the

suspension of staffers overnight. the video we're about to show you is disturbing and graphic. it takes place in buffalo where police officers, again, i'm going to show this tow yo are seen shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground in front of city hall on thursday night. those officers are expected to face charges this morning. they were suspended from the police force. all 57 members of the boston emergency response team have resigned in protest. all 57 members. they're still collecting paychecks from the boston police. they have not been fired. also developing overnight, the city of minneapolis agreeing to pan choke holds and neck restraints by police and to require officers to try to stop any other officers they see using improper force. fancy that you need a law for that, huh? city council president telling nbc news, quote, we are ready to rise to this tragedy of george floyd's murder. it comes as mourners prepare to gather at a public viewing in reford, north carolina, the town george floyd was born. a private memorial service will be held later in the day for

family members only. now to president trump invoking the name of george floyd yesterday in the rose garden, not in a way you'd expect or probably deem appropriate. it wasn't in regard to the protests in george floyd's name but rather to the economy. >> equal justice under the law must mean that every american receives equal treatment in every encounter with law enforcement. we all saw what happened last week. we can't let that happen. hopefully george is looking down right now and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country. it's a great day for him. it's a great day for everybody. this is a great day for everybody. this is great, great day in terms of equality. >> yeah, you heard that right. trump touting the may jobs report, which shows the u.s. economy gained 2.5 million jobs

last month as the unemployment rate dropped to 13.3%, but because of a misclassification error the unemployment rate might be closer to 16%. what's not factored in there is the labor department admitting it has mistakenly counted 4.5 million temporarily laid off people as employed. had the m-- joining me now rashd robin son and reverend al sharpton, host of msnbc's "politics nation." let me start with you reverend. you gave that stirring eulogy the other day, and i was in the streets of minneapolis and chicago and new york and you're right, what you see on the tape is correct. there are many, many white people in that crowd, people of all colors, people of all ages, and they are protesting something bigger than george floyd. they're protesting the injustice in society.

you see change. tell me why because you've seen a lot. >> i see change because when you see the entire nation and other nations around the world start gravitating towards criminal justice reform and change, something that years ago we had very few doing, and now we see the many if not the most doing, i think that's the atmosphere of change that happens. you know, people forget, ari, i come out of the aftermath of dr. wiking's assassination. i was 13, but i studied the movement before that. it was nine years from the montgomery board got to the civil rights act of '64. sometimes movements take time. this has taken time, but now the

time has come where the whole world is seeing policing must be changed, and i believe this moment has arrived, and i'm glad to see it happen. i want to make sure we do something concrete with it while this moment is here. >> rashad, one of the points you made out in a tweet you sent out, you said i've noticed a change in some of the norms and rules of society. think of how racially diverse the protests have been. this is a testament to the last seven years of black lives matter pushing non-black people to make this their fight too. that's important because right now blacks are 13.4% of the american population. their economic and political influence is smaller than their percentage of population representation, but others who hold that power have decided this is wrong, too. >> i mean, that's incredibly, incredibly important. you know, a white person taking out their cell phone in a starbucks and taping that police interaction, and then knowing to actually post it is part of sort

of the mental models that a movement can develop when they build political power and cultural power. i couldn't agree with reverend sharpton enough in terms of what does it mean to actually get to concrete victories because in these moments there is the sort of desire sometimes for the quick solution, for the silver bullet. how do we make this kind of go away, and what do we do quickly to go back to how things were before or without the protests? and what i want to say to folks who are watching is that there are going to have to be deep structural changes. anything that feels like not sort of a defunding of police, moving the type of things that police currently do from being mental health experts to being educators to having to deal with so many things that are not their actual responsibilities is not going to work. anything that doesn't include true accountability on police and particularly dealing with a fraternal order of police who at every single turn stand in the

way of opposition, who will say that things like racial profiling doesn't exist, we actually need politicians who say that they're with us to not take fops money. we need politicians who say that they're with us to not just give us the list of policy demands, not just the what but the how. how are they going to undo all of the forces that far too often have actually stood in the way of progress. we have a real potential for change, but what i hope doesn't happen is that people sort of think that we can make a couple of quick reforms around the edges and then things go back to normal because we don't have simply an issue of ideas in terms of how to change its policy. we have an issue of actual power, in terms of even when we have policies on the books, police officers find ways to get around it. find ways to push back against the real type of changes that need to happen. >> take a look at that big crowd, by the way, in london. it's a massive crowd, an afternoon protest in london. we're seeing protests like this around the world.

to that point, reverend sharpton, many of the things you've been involved in have been the death of african-americans at the hands of police. we saw an arrest in philadelphia of a staff sergeant, the union has already come out and said that's unfair. we've seen pushback in new york, in buffalo, 57 members of the emergency response team have resigned, even though we've all seen the video of the police pushing that 75-year-old man down bleeding from the head. how do we get this change when there is such massive resistance? when do we get police to understand this isn't actually about them. this is about the safety of americans at their hands. >> one, you have to keep going no matter what, and you've got to understand there is going to always be resistance, and one of the reasons why it is important that the grass roots act a vivi and the activists who have mastered how you deal in this technological age, and no one does it better than my brother

rashad robinson, and those of us that have built traditional civil rights groups work together because when a policeman gets in trouble, he has a union that provides lawyers, that provides therapists, that provides resources for that policeman. you need organizations to provide that for the victims' families. they don't know how to deal with media. they don't know how to deal with the legal questions. where we need people that will be on the front lines protesting with us and marching, we need the structures that will keep these families going because they can't fight institutions without institutions, and i think the reason that we're going to get where we're going now is that all of us that have expertise and have been time tested, even though many of them are young but have been time test instead theed in these fig we play our roles, we can fight them and beat them, but we took time for us to back into each other and learn that a united

front is what we are facing. they're united and they saved each other. we must be united to save the nation because it's not about -- we're not trying to lock up cops. we're trying to lift up a nation. may need to lock up some cops to lift the nation, but the goal is the lifting, not the locking. we're just going to have to do some locking in order to do the lifting. >> well said, reverend, thank you as always. reverend al sharpton is the president of the national action network, host of msnbc's politics nation, rashad robinson is the executive director of the president of color of change. make sure to catch the refr rend tonight on a brand new special "politics nation" anguish and action, that's at 6:00 p.m. eastern, and i'll pick up from the rev at 7:00 p.m. eastern. looking at the events of the past few weeks could seem like ground hog day. dating all the way back to the civil rights movement, one of the most popular faces of that movement is known the world over

simply as the greatest, the late muhammad ali, a three time heavy weight boxing champion. as an activist he fought against racial inequality through peaceful protests for years aligning himself with other icons like malcolm x, martin luther king and the reverend jesse jackson jr. joining us now ka leah ali and jacob ali wartheimer. welcome to both of you. young man, jacob, you are a college student. you are the the face of so much of this protest that's going on in the nation right now. tell me what's on your mind. >> what's on my mind is that i really want to make sure that people understand that what happened recently was a horror but make no mistake it's not an aberration, this is part of racial discrimination and hatred that's existed on this land for

400 years. it's time people take a stand and stand up and say enough is enough. i think african-americans in this country b have saying enough is enough for a long time, and i want to call on white america now to do their part too and to really step up and make sure that they're not sitting by and just being bystanders towards injustice. it's not enough anymore to say i'm not racist or just watch from afar. it's time to act. it's time for white america to do their part and address the issues of white supremacy that exist in their own community. that's the horror that's inflicted upon us. a lot of people like to frame this like it's a black problem. this is a horror inflicted on black people, and i think it's really important to make that distinction. >> it it is all of our problems. your father said a man who is not crourageous enough to take risks will never accomplish anything in life. there are risks to these protesters. i have been in the streets of minneapolis and chicago and new york, and i have seen peaceful protesters arrested, being swept up by this idea amongst others

and law enforcement that everyone who protests is dangerous. there are definitely people in the crowd who have done some dangerous things, but the majority of the people i've seen in these three cities have been peaceful protesters. >> absolutely. and i don't think it would be fair to rely on the protesters to evoke the long-term change that we're going to need. we have to pressure our officials. we have to get new policies around these issues that protect and cultivate an america that i know we should aspire to be. >> jacob, let me ask you about the violence. you don't like it, but you have some empathy for why it's happening. >> i think that it's wrong for people to try and focus so much of the issue on the violence. i think when people focus so much on the violence it's an effort to detract from the issue and what the protesters stand for. it's important that we address and come to understand, first, where the violence is coming from. i think as we've seen, we've

seen a lot of infiltration from white supremacist organizations involved in these protests. i think it's wrong to blame the protesters when we don't know who is responsible for what and i'm very intent in making sure the message is what we focus on. that's what needs to be addressed first. >> k is there an obvious soluti how this ends or is it a very multilayered complex issue? >> i think it's a multilayered complex issue. i'm going it go back again to the fact that we're on the heels of a major election. we must get out. we must vote, and we have to really make our elected officials do their jobs. we have to be active and an integral part of policy and change for the long-term, big things little things, census bureau. we need to be counted, so i believe, you know, we still do live in a democracy, as strange as it seems these days, and we have to really hold onto those rights and continue to be civic minded, together and united and not take our nails out of this

fight. we've got to keep our fists up. we've got to keep punching through this until we are where we need to be. >> and to echo some of my mother's sentiments, i think it's really important that we really address the people of this nation. it's time for the people of this nation to step up and demand the change that they want to see. like i said before, i think african-americans, we've been doing our part, but i think it's really time for everybody else in this country to really step up, use their voice, and use their action to say enough is enough and justice is long overdue. >> when my father was at harvard, he created one of the shortest poems i think maybe possibly ever, and it was me we. and i think that sums it up. if he were here now and as my stepmother lonnie pointed out the other day, he's so greatly missed and his voice is so greatly needed. we feel so privileged and honored to help cultivate and cure rate his legacy this way. i can't emphasize enough, he's dearly missed. >> thank you to both of you for sharing this message.

kalia ali is the daughter of the great muhammad ali. his grandson joining us as well. you're looking at live pictures in london, police are responding with yet more force. overnight, several police departments took action to hold their officers accountable. we're going to talk to a panel in a moment about what change needs to happen to end this kind of violence. actually, let's go to rayfield, north carolina, for a moment. it does look like the casket carrying the body of george floyd is driving through there. this is the birthplace of george floyd where there is going to be a memorial this afternoon. it's still several hours away, but we believe that we are going to momentarily see the casket of george floyd being transported in a hearse, i believe, driving through this area. let me just check in with my control room to see -- yeah, it looks like -- well, police are stopping so that people can cross the road. we're going to see this -- all

right, so we've got video of this, i believe. all right, we're taking a look at a live picture. i'm going to stick with this for a second. this is george floyd's casket arriving at the scene of his memorial in north carolina. let me tell you how this all works. on thursday there was the memorial for family in mrs. today there will be a memorial in north carolina, rayford, north carolina, which is where george floyd was born, and then there will be a service early next week in houston, which is where he lived. i'm not entirely clear on what i'm looking for here in front of me. i'm just going to check in with my control room to see what we are awaiting. all right, we're going to -- we're going to come back to this in a moment when george floyd's casket comes through the crowd.

but as demonstrations -- and we can actually maybe keep that in the bottom corner. as demonstrations against police brutality have taken hold, there have been a number of instances where viral videos have captured the way some police forces have responded to protests using batons, rubber bullets and other riot tactics to deal with crowds. in another watershed moment, as communities grapple with reining in the policies and practices that local law enforcement use against american citizens. joining me is captain sonia pruitt of the montgomery county, kimberly crenshaw joins me professor at columbia law school and ucla law and the executive director of the african-american policy forum and nbc correspondent jake ward joins me. jake has been studying implicit bias and ways to reform police departments for some years now. thank you to all of you.

kimberly, let me start with you, the one thing we have not seen is action taken -- satisfying action taken in louisville, kentucky, about the death of breonna taylor on march 13th. she would have turned 27 yesterday. there have been some new rules instituted for police there particularly about using body cameras and putting them on before a warrant is kperexercis but there isn't a lot of satisfaction about what happened there. >> there isn't a lot of satisfaction at all. it doesn't get to the root of the problem. when you look at the breonna taylor case, it seems as though the police officers sought five warrants for that entry, and in all of the warrants the exact same language was used. the use of the exact same language shows that the constitutional standards weren't really being followed. to use a warrant you have to be able to attest that there are exigent circumstances that require you to actually be able to go in without a knock.

some evidence that the people there might be able to escape or might get rid of whatever the thing is, usually drugs, and the fact that each warrant said the same thing and much of the information was a lie shows that the existing constitutional standard -- which is very, very minor -- wasn't even followed in those cases. the reality is that there's no disincentives for using no knock warrants and no disincentives for lying about it because the police can still use whatever evidence they fuind. the exclusionary rule does not apply to no knock warrants. we're in a situation where all of the conversation about the body cams, that's just, you know, icing on a pretty rotten cake. the problem is that the constitutional rules permit this kind of behavior. >> captain pruitt, i'm trying to figure out barack obama delivered an address the other day in which he talked about the

fact that this is really for county executives and mayors and people like that to work with their police forces to figure out use of force rules, appropriate rules. we've seen some of it implemented in minneapolis. we've seen an arrest in philadelphia. we've seen some suspensions in new york city and in buffalo. is it policy or is it culture or both? >> so thank you for having me. i think it's policy, and i also think that it's culture. listen, police and culture is really, really, really deeply entrenched so you're going to have to approach that in a several pronged way. policy and training are great, but they're only as good as the officer who you are training or who's thinking that the policy probably sucks and he's not going to follow it anyway. so we have to do some things that will force the issue. some of the things that i'm talking about with my police peers is a national database so that we can follow officers who have been violating their orders and violating the law.

we need to know that they're out there, and then they cannot be hired by another police department. there should be uniform use of force standards all across the country because right now doing a piecemeal use of force thing is causing many of these problems, and thirdly, we're going to have to attack the systemic issues that exist in police departments and many of those issues are based on race. we don't want to talk about it. people are uncomfortable with it, but it is a reality, and if we do not address it, we cannot solve the problems. >> jacob ward, one of the things that you've studied for a long time is the fact that if there are implicit biases, we all have them, except cops have guns, it can be changed. those biases can be changed, but that takes time. that takes commitment, and that takes money. >> that's right, and ali, i would also argue it also takes a national insight.

what captain pruitt is speaking about in terms of a national database is what experts are telling me is one of the most important first steps. the thing that americans probably just don't realize is that the department of justice is not some overarching controlling system that sets national standards for police departments. any two police departments could be so different in this country because our policing is of course, fed rated. it's controlled by states and municipalities. there's no regulation. there's no reason that any whoa police departments could resemble each other in policy or procedure unless, you know, the two chiefs of police happen to have gone to the same convention. only really the constitution is the sort of common thread that connects them. so we don't have good national policies on almost anything. an implicit bias is certainly one of the things that has been, you know, the science is there. as you mentioned, it is in everyone, our brains are shortcut machines. they tend to look at outsiders a certain way. it is the way that behavioral

scientists understand our brains to work. now what we need to come up with national standards that take that into account, that take this incredible lack of national data into account, and takes all of it and creates some sort of program that can take advantage of the latest science around this stuff, ali. >> and we are watching protests around the world. you are seeing a gathering -- i'm not sure what we're looking at here in philadelphia. there's a gathering of people. it doesn't look like a protest to me. it looks like a big lineup of people. we're going to figure out what that is we're looking at. there are protests going on across the country. kimberly crenshaw, the police in this country need to sort of recalibrate their view of african-american men as requiring remarkable violence to be put down, apprehended, arrested or whatever is done. one thing we don't discuss enough of but you discuss a lot is african-american women who face violence at the hands of police. >> absolutely, and it's one of the reasons why my organization

began the say her name campaign literally to broaden the framework so we understand that we not only have to worry about the mike browns and the eric garners, but we have to worry about the ta snisha andersons. when we broaden the framework that black women are often also killed by police, just yesterday we release add tied a time line showed some of the black women that were killed between the time of mike brown and george floyd, that people just don't know about. they just really don't know that black women are also killed by the police. if you broaden the framework, you see there are other circumstances we have to really pay attention to. one is that police are often the first responders in mental health crises. they are the last ones to be able to respond effectively to mental health crises because to a police officer, every person who isn't following their commands or doesn't want to get in the police car, regardless of

whether they've committed any crime and most of them have not, look like the same kind of problem for which excessive force is used, so tanisha anderson killed within two weeks of tamir rice. no crimes, just a mental health crises, and they did the same kind of action on her that they did on george floyd. we don't know about it, and because we don't know about it, we can't say, you know what? we need another response to mental health crises. fortunately, fran garrett, who is michelle cue sew's mother was able to push through a kind of reform by insisting that someone's going to know what happened to her daughter. the only way we knew about it is that she insisted on taking her daughter's casket to city hall. that, frankly, is how say her name got started, and broadening that framework is going to help us make sure that women as well as men are able to have their stories told and the reforms that are implicated actually

initiated. >> thank you for continuing to push that issue. take a look at the streets of london right now. this is just incredible the number of people. i mean, this is not even it, that helicopter shot as you see gets a lot higher and the streets are full around parliament square. captain pruitt, let me ask you about this. in the streets i have seen signs that some of them are quite derogatory to police, some say abolish the police, some say defund the police. but what i hear from a lot of people probably doesn't work well on a sign, but to what kim is saying is some version of let's reallocate the resources so that there is adequate mental health care, so there is adequate intervention so everything isn't looked at as a hammer and a nail and maybe that will relieve some of the tension. how do you look at this? because there are people calling for funding to police to stop. >> sure, so you know, i think it's perfectly reasonable for the people that we protect and serve to question what we do

with the money that we get. everybody doesn't know when a police line item might be. there's several things that you could be responsible for in a police department, but when it comes to training and hiring and what types of things are putting into deescalation and use of power, that comes from money, so yes, i think that is perfectly reasonable to be questioning that. not only but if the public who we work for are not happy with what we're doing with the funding, they get to say maybe we look at this a different way. in minneapolis they're taking a look at the structure of their police departments, and in l.a., they are defunding the police department. that is something that we should expect. the people are for us, and we are for the people. if we do not work hand in hand, none of this is going to work. >> well, just that attitude could get us somewhere actually. in los angeles there was supposed to be a 7% budget increase for the police that was

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live picturing now from raeford, north carolina, that is the kcasket carrying the body o george floyd to a memorial service in his hometown. george floyd was born in

raeford, north carolina. he spent much of his life in houston, and in the last few years moved to minneapolis where he died. there have been protests across the country about the violence involved in his death at the hands of police and in many other cities protesting so many other of these deaths, but what we are seeing now is the second memorial service for george floyd, the first one was in minneapolis on thursday, and now we are seeing this one in north carolina. the body of george floyd arriving now at that church in north carolina. you can see that the police have cordoned off the entire parking lot. those cones in the back that are there to direct traffic, the family has asked for no protests at this memorial, just that it be a memorial. you can see the driver of the hearse now directing some of the cars in the procession around it, and he is now back in the car. we will follow this closely. this is just hours before the

memorial is supposed to begin here in north carolina. this is the next stop, by the way, for george floyd's body is going to be houston where he did live for many years. the casket now pulling up, the hearse carrying the casket now pulling up in front of the church where the memorial service is going to be held. you can see that there are a number of people there shooting video of the arrival of the cask casket, and they are in most cases wearing masks, which has been something that people have been concerned about with a number of the protests. a crowd gathering there. let's just watch in silence for a moment.

crowds are gathering in the vicinity of the hearse that has pulled up at the church in raeford, north carolina, where george floyd was born. he was 46 years old when he was killed at the hands of police in minneapolis. there have now been four police officers charged with his death. first there was one who was charged with third degree murder and manslaughter. that charge was increased to second degree murder, and the three police with him were charged with aiding and abetting that murder. minneapolis has just passed an ordinance now yesterday saying that any police officer who witnesses abusive acts will have to report it, kind of fascinating that you need a law for that, but they are doing that. they've also banned choke holds, anything that blocks an airway, as you know, for over eight minutes, almost nine minutes, police officer derek chauvin in minneapolis had his knee on george floyd's neck. unfortunately we're sort of

losing a bit of our shot there. we're going to get that focused up again, and we'll keep our attention on that. there's that and a major protest underway in london, what appears to be many thousands of people in the streets of london protesting the death of george floyd and police brutality and racism in america. we'll keep our eyes on that as well. i want to show you some pictures that we've seen. law enforcement officials across the united states are fighting back against demonstrators protesting police brutality. the protesters are protesting police brutality, and we are seeing in response more police brutality. i'm going to warn you, some of these images are disturbing to watch. we see it in los angeles. police officers hit someone who appears to be or people who appeared to be unarmed and peaceful protesters with batons. this is buffalo you're looking at. in philadelphia, police are seen hitting civilians.

in buffalo you see here a 75-year-old protester watching -- police are watching as blood poured from his head. two of the officers have now been suspended without pay, and new reporting from the local station says the charges against the officers have now been upgraded to second degree assault, and at this hour, those two officers are facing arraignment. however, 57 of their colleagues have resigned from the boston emergency response team. in brooklyn, new york, we saw a police officer rip off -- look at this, rip off a protester's mask as his hands were up and spray him in the face with pepper spray. i was 20 feet away from pepper spray in minneapolis and i couldn't talk. the officer has been suspended without pay. new york city's leaders are down playing the department oes violence. >> a lot of restraint from the nypd overall. the nypd has actually taken, i think, a very open approach respecting protests, flexible as always. >> police bludgeoned peaceful

prote protestors with batons for no reason. that's not a fact. they don't do that. anyone who did do that would be obviously reprehensible if not criminal. >> all right, so the mayor and the governor are defending the nypd for their restraint. our next guest ebs pressed her support for peaceful protests at thursday's memorial in brooklyn for george floyd. >> that the cries for justice and change is now being heard all across this nation. change is coming stirred by the forces marching and protesting peacefully, fueled by the passions of all of your convictions to justice. >> new york attorney general letitia james joins me on the phone. thank you for being with me. your office has been flooded with information, videos, phone

calls from people who have said that the police in new york city have not been as peaceful as the police commissioner and representatives would have you believe. >> i stand with those bravely taking to the streets to peacefully protest and demand freedom and dignity for every human being, for every black man and woman in this country. it's clear that their crusade for justice will move forward, and this is more than just a movement. you see what is happening not only in the united states is happening all over the globe, and there are individuals who are marching with their feet, marching for change. there's something different about this movement this time, and i believe change will happen. my thoughts and my prayers are with the family right now as they funeralize the loss of their son, their father, their uncle, their loved one. may he rest in power and in peace. and let us all rise up and recognize that we have the

ability to change the circumstances, and so we must march and we must vote because this really -- >> attorney general -- >> yeah, it's a time that we must recognize the humanity of all of god's people. >> we are looking now at pictures of two things going on across the world, london, a massive protest in london against police brutality and violence and racism, and in north carolina we're seeing pictures of the hearse carrying the casket of george floyd for a memorial service that is going to be held later this morning. he will ultimately be laid to rest in houston where he spent much of the 46 years of his life. attorney general, we have been out there. i was in the street of new york on tuesday night and wednesday night, on thursday night covering the protests. i walked miles and miles with these protesters. they were of all shapes and colors and sizes and pets they were peaceful protesters in most

cases. these people were arrested, generally for nonviolent curfew violations. what's the problem here? what's the disconnect between a country that was founded on the basis of protests, not all of it peaceful, by the way, and the view that police are taking about these protesters? >> there are some elected officials who i understand who are focused on law and order, and i understand that. i get that, but at the same time, we must stand up and we must recognize that protect and guard against those who would seek so silence this movement. you know, protesting is our most basic civil right and one that must be protected. and as you know, i have been tasked with the responsibility of investigating the events in new york city, and so we will do that, and we will issue a report and we look forward to responding to all of the inquiries and complaints that

have been londged in our office >> attorney general letitia jam james, thank you for joining me. she is the attorney general of new york. we continue to look at pictures of police violence across this country. the gathering that i was showing you pictures of that i was wondering about in philadelphia is not philadelphia. it is buffalo, new york, where we are expecting the arraignment of two officers who were suspended and charged in the pushing of that man that you saw the video of, 75-year-old man was pushed down, bleeding from his head lying still on the pavement, and he was not cared to -- not cared for by police. george floyd was born in north carolina, a memorial service will be held there later this morning, but he's going to be laid to rest in houston where he spent much of his 46 years. there's going to be a public viewing on monday and then a private funeral on tuesday. former vice president joe biden is expected to attend the private service. houston is one of many cities that have seen protests since floyd's death on memorial day.

it hasn't seen the large amounts of violence that have marred demonstrations else where, and that may be because houston police chief art acevedo's willingness to engage with protesters. his calls for officers to be held accountable when they attack without justification. chief acevedo joins me now of the houston police force. thank you for being with us. tell me what your engagement has looked like. we've seen various forms of engagement by police from the violent to the peaceful. in chicago on tuesday, i saw a police officer take a knee with the crowd. what does your engagement look like in houston? >> i think our engagement started long before this tragedy in minneapolis. the relationship with your community isn't in a good place when something -- when tragedy strikes, you're already behind the 8-ball. so our engagement is a dieaily thing. it's an ongoing thing, and since the protests started, all of our

command staff, our assistant chiefs, our men and women on the front lines have been out in the community. we haven't had a perfect response, but we've had a darn good response, and i think that the fact that we are a department that's reflective of this community and the diversity of this community and we have a lot of home grown police officers here, we are from the community, and we're part of the community, and i think that that's paying dividends now. >> i want to talk to you about a conversation you had with lester holt on thursday night. you've been accused by some people in houston of a lack of transparency because of body camera footage from six recent police shootings. lester asked you about it. let's play your response. >> we completely are committed to transparency. we have to be careful. we have to weigh the pretrial publicity that comes with releasing all videos so we normally would prefer to wait for the grand jury process to end because we don't want a change of venue. that would be the unintended

consequences potentially that takes it away from houston, texas. >> so it's an interesting thin slice you've got there that if these videos come out, it influences -- i assume you're saying it influences the jury pool and forces the trial out of the jurisdiction? >> yeah, and think about houston. this is an absolute melting pot. we are the most diverse community in the nation in terms of big cities. i think that the problem is we don't take the time to explain our reasoning, and quite frankly, you know, there's also instances where families themselves or the individuals that died in a police encounter don't want the videos released, and so i think that we need to have a national conversation. we've put a lot of our nation's treasure into these body worn cameras and i think as a result we're starting to expose the bad policing. the officers that don't deserve to wear the badge, but i think we need to have a national standard, a national process because we know what happens in

minneapolis and the way that they treat the release of body worn cameras or the fact that they're still allowing carated control holds in 2020. we need national action from the congress and the president, because we can't have 18,000 police departments handling these critical training and policy decisions individually. it has to be one way to do it so we don't have more tragedies. >> wish we could get to that solution, so many people this morning have said that same thing. chief, good to see you again. thank you for joining me, chief art acevedo. >> thank you, we are going to get to it -- we're going to get -- >> i hope we do, sir. thank you. we'll continue this conversation. we're going to take a quick break. coming up, my final thoughts. you're watching "velshi."

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i witnessed something profound while covering a memorial for george floyd in brooklyn on thursday. the strength of the human spirit in the face adversity. the memorial was cathartic. hundreds had marched across the brooklyn bridge in mourning. members of the fraternity were at the front of the line peacefully marching. the fraternity stopped for an exceptional moment. they recited a poem. invict invictus, it speaks to a crucial component of what this country is experiencing right now, the strength of the human spirit to overcome the darkest and painful experiences by drawing from within ourselves the fortitude to continue to survive, to live, to fight another day. i know the poem well because i'm the grandchild of people who

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all these people no matter who you talk to, they will all say the same thing and that is george was somebody that always made people feel like they were special and nobody felt left out. >> george floyd's story has been the story of black folks because ever since 401 years ago, the reason we could never be who we wanted and dreamed of being is you kept your knee on our necks. it's time for us to stand up in george's name and say get your knee off our necks. >> wow, good morning. and welcome to a.m. joy.

on thursday the reverend al sharpton joined the family of george floyd to eulogize him two mimes from where he was killed by a minneapolis police officer. later this morning his family will gather in north carolina for another memorial service before he's laid to rest in houston, texas, on tuesday. many mourners are already lined up to pay their respects and while there have been significant developments in the case which we will get to in a moment, people seeking justice gathered for the 11th night of protests around the country. in washington, d.c. quite a powerful message including to the current occupant of the white house when she commissioned volunteers to paint the words black lives matter on one of the streets leading up to the white house and then turned the spotlights on it last night to make sure trump in her words would dream about it. she also renamed one of the intersections near the white