good evening and welcome to "politics nation." a special two-hour "politics nation" tonight. our special report, "anguish and action." our nation continues to smolder, protests raging now for 12 straight days in american cities, millions of citizens enraged by the death of george floyd and engaged in a mass conversation around policing in this country, perhaps never seen before. for the next two hours, we're going to articulate the anguish felt by so many black americans over disproportionate policing,

as well as the reinvigorated push for dialogue, if not solutions. adding to that conversation tonight, rapper killer mike, patrice colors and i'll talk to tone ben crumb. >> right now the floyd family is holing holding a private memorial for george floyd. on tuesday his body will be laid to rest in houston. in the last weeks there have

been several developments around george floyd's death. all four of the police officers involved have now been charged, amid calls by some city leaders to disband its police department entirely. i'll talk to the mayor of minneapolis later in the show. first, joining me now from north carolina where the floyd family is currently holding a private memorial is nbc's pri sescilla thompson. what are you searing aeing and as the family pays tribute? >> reporter: the family showed up a little while ago wearing all white in honor of george flou floyd. a representative of the governor's office presented the

family with a flag that flew over the north carolina state capital. he said some death ain't about dying, some death is about waking up, waking all of us up. i think that is certainly felt here today and throughout this weekend. we saw tons of people, an outpouring of people come here for the public viewing earlier today to pay their respects. one woman told me seeing him here in that casket feels like emmett till. we spoke to a few family members before they went inside and they told us this outpouring of support has been so important for them as they work to grieve and grapple with this loss. the biggest thing they said is that they want to see change come from this. they don't want to see another family have to go through this, reverend. >> the memorial near his birth place and family in north carolina and in houston and the houston family and others were with us in men indianapolis where we started this series,

clearly they have said that they want to see change, they want to see that george floyd did not die in vain or die with no good to come out of it. do you get a sense of that kind of determination as tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands are marching even as they do this private ceremony there in north carolina? >> certainly. you get that sense of determination, not only from the family but, as you mentioned, the thousands who have been marching and showing up to these services. i've spoken to people today, some from germany, some who came in from vermont, from all over the country to pay tribute today. that is the one thing that

almost everyone i spoke to said this death should not be in vain, what can we do, how do we get involved? a very diverse crowd showed up here tonight and it feels as though everyone is ready to see change. >> the specifics of that chang, many of us outlined in the first memorial, and we'll be speaking, many of us, i'll be there in houston, and i think that there's been a lot of respect for the family, but the family wants to see concrete change. priscilla thompson, thank you very much for being with us. >> thanks, reverend. >> president barack obama is calling for changes in policy to help stop police brutality. he spoke out against the violence but stopped short of mentioning trump's handling of the situation. joining me now is former adviser to president barack obama,

valerie jarrett. miss jarrett, thank you for joining us tonight. >> good evening, reverend sharpton. i want to start by saying thank you for that powerful eulogy. i think you really captured the anguish, the pain, frustration, anger, disappointment that has been building within the black community for generations, but you also pointed out why we should be hopeful. this week has been an inflexion point and i think judging from folks all over the country marching in all 50 states of all races and ages that this can also be a turning point if we keep it up. >> i agree. let me ask you, miss jarrett, in president obama's address this week that he did through the obama foundation, here talked about solutions, he talked about what local policing ought to be doing, many of the things that you and others that worked in his administration with his

guidance, many of us that were not in the administration but worked in civil rights leadership worked hand in hand, and he talked about his use of force doctrine. splin wh explain what that is. because when people talk about change, we're not talking about something that's pie in the sky. these are practical things that some of which began in the last administration. >> yes. yes, absolutely right. so reverend sharpton, i think part of what his message was is that there are some very evidence-based strategies that we could take that would reduce police violence. so, first of all this week he called for every mayor to look at what they're doing for use of force and meet with the community and have a conversation. why are we not trying to de-escalate rather than escalate? i'm proud to say every mayor i talked to before the president's announcement from minneapolis to san francisco, l.a., my hometown

chicago, washington, d.c., atlanta, all agreed to take t s this. these are folks who are sworn to protect us, take an oath of office, to serve us and yet we know many of them are not equipped to do that job and we're seeing this week, ref rent sharpton, examples where everyone is carrying a cell phone, whether it's pushing down a 75-year-old man in buffalo, roughing up college students, african-american women, all captured on video, not to mention coming out now cases that existed in the past where the videos were swept under the carpet. and what president obama was saying is there are specific steps we should take, let's look at the report, let's look at what the leadership council is recommending and there's nothing that could get in the way of doing it. and we've seen it already.

in minneapolis they've outruled those strangle holds. we know what to do. do we have the political will to do it? >> president obama spoke about taking this tragedy and using it for good. here's a bit of what he said. >> as tragic as these past few weeks have been, as difficult and scary and uncertain as they've been, they've also been an incredible opportunity for people to be awakened to some of these underlying trends. and they offer an opportunity for us to all work together to tackle it. >> miss jarrett, are people listening to his message? >> yes, i think so, reverend sharpton. most definitely people are listening. judging from the outpouring of support that we've had since both of his town halls, judging

by the mayors who have stepped up to the plate and committed to take a look at this use of force and the peaceful demonstrations that have been going on all over the country should make us proud. you're showing right now footage of literally thousands and thousands of people who are taking to the streets and it's important to say, look, i'm old enough to remember the civil rights movement and it was powerful and we made a lot of progress, but what we are seeing now in all 50 states with the numbers of people who are showing up day after day after day, reverend sharpton, is the likes of which i have never seen before. and the question we have to say is how do we build on that momentum? how do we take these evidence-based strategies and put them into place? how do we have both employers, the business community and government taking the steps to ensure that we are not only protecting from discrimination but rooting out systemic racism. >> valerie jarrett, thank you for being with us. joining me now is my panel,

michael steele, former rnc chairman and political analyst and danielle moody mills, host of the woke podcast and democracy podcast. let me go to you first, michael steele. we talked in the last segment with valerie jarrett about the message of former president obama and some of the things that he had began in his administration. we have not heard this present president address specific legislation or policies to address police misconduct. we've heard him talk about militarization of certain parts of the country around those that were violent. we heard him make references in general about the killing of

george floyd, though -- i'm saying killing, he didn't. but we've not heard him address from a policy point of view what he would propose that his administration, his justice department and the congress do. i've seen him more aggressive and specific for michael flynn than i've seen him do for george floyd. >> yeah, reverend al, that's not lost on nen at this point, particularly as this conversation, this national conversation around the militarization of our police force, which has been sort of an undercurrent conversation for quite some time now, some six or seven years, and yet nothing has been done. the power and impact of the murder of george floyd is that it has now thrust this conversation up where it rightly belongs, not just in local communities but nationally.

there is some concern in some corners, in some debates, about what the federal government can do with respect to local and state police operations and the like but that to me is a red herring. i don't think we should get sidelined by that. we should look at our federal officials to be part of the conversation and the expectation needs to be that the white house comes forward with some legitimate proposals that addresses this. otherwise, anything they say will not be deemed legitimate. can you offer the platitudes in response to what happened to mr. floyd, you can say the nice words, but right now this country is looking for concrete steps because we don't want what happened after sandy hook when there was a 90% issue with the country that something be done with respect to gun violence and gun control, et cetera, and our

legislators did nothing. nothing. >> right. >> i don't think people will stand by for that this time. >> danielle, when you look at the issue raised by what the federal government can do that michael steele just also repeated that a lot of people are asking, the fact is that we had several cities under consent decree, where the justice department had found those cities to have a pattern and practice of police abuse and actually took the policing from them, immediately -- and this was after an investigation, this wasn't just some just picking on certain cities, this is after they looked at the pattern and practice in those cities. as soon as the trump administration came in, they suspended and backed away from those con isn't sent decrees, e though it was the justice department that found the pattern and practice. will this be an issue given now the strength and energy around

this movement by whites and blacks and asians and native americans and latinos, will this be a campaign issue in 2020? >> i think, reverend, it is absolutely going to be a campaign issue in 2020, but do i have faith in the federal government that is currently be run by trump to do anything about it? absolutely not. this is a president that back in 201, if you recall, he was talking to suffolk county police officers in new york and telling them it was okay to rough up criminals and rough up suspects. this is somebody who has said in a speech that he condones police brutality, that given the opportunity to speak to the american people about what is unfolding right now, this president instead wanted to tack about law and order. so do i think that former vice president biden should be out there, out front talking about the ways in which we absolutely need to reform police departments across this country? absolutely. because what we are seeing from

all of the videos that have taken place across all 50 states that are protesting is that police brutality seems to be the norm, whether you are a 70-year-old white man or you are george floyd. there is a problem endemic to police departments and needs to be addressed. this administration would rather uplift a guilty white man than protect innocent black men across this country. >> when you see the killing of ahmaud arbery by three white males, one saying he heard one of them use the "n" word, right after that, breonna taylor killed by police using a no-knock subpoena and when her boyfriend fired a legal weapon thinking they were being broken

in in a home invasion, they broke out with an array of 20 bullets being fired and eight of them hitting her, all while we were home in shelter in place watching this, no sports distraction, nothing else, michael steele. the country was like how much can we take when we see all of this? isn't it time for leadership at the top when you see in some marches more whites than blacks standing up there talking about what they're doing to blacks. >> real quick on that point, reverend, i think it's essential for us to sort of get out of our heads that the president or anyone in the administration is going to come forward in a way that will address what we see on the streets. this is a peoples moment. this is where the american people are saying what they want and what their expectations are and you're going to see that play itself out right through november. >> all right. i'm going to have to leave it

there. coming up, an atlanta native who has taken action to organize, not just for this moment but also for the future. my conversation with killer mike after the break. but first my colleague, richard lui, with today's top stories. at this hour we are now closing in on 2 million confirmed coronavirus cases across the united states. the death toll has reached more than 110,000 at this hour. now, the cdc announced new hot spots are popping up across the south and in california. the country is still seeing a the least 20,000 new cases each day. that same report saying the northeast is seeing a substantial decrease in new cases. tropical storm cristobal is expected to strengthen as it aims for the gulf coast on sunday. the impact of that storm will bring rain, wind and coastal flooding that may linger into monday. and nfl commissioner roger

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we need to extend the movement. we are a part of an over hundred-year campaign to get human rights and workers rights recognized to not be victims of the system. we have to see ourselves as continuing an ongoing movement and not just victims responding. we are not victims. we are organizers. >> rapper killer mike is no stranger to the struggle. he's been out there this time around in atlanta, urging protesters to organize for the future. joining me now is killer mike.

killer mike, you have a lot of popularity and street cred. you put it all on line to step forward in atlanta and really say let's take this energy and organize. why did you feel you had to do it and what do you mean by organize? >> first of all, there's knowledge there are organizers already on the ground. you already have young people on the ground organizing. they're so young, they haven't even formed organizations and sometimes they just got their friends and they're organizing their friendsth. then you have the legacy organizations on the ground and organizations like the new georgia project. you have a lot of contingencies

on the ground. >> i'm going to say you're consistent with that. i wear your stuff, i put it on instagram but you didn't even put like on it. >> no, did like it. you know i was trained by people like reverend james. i was trained directly by people who worked with dr. king. to me it's important these young organizers be acknowledged. for atlanta, we are a fortress for black america. we are doing as good as we can, we can always do better. we're doing good but we want to be great. in atlanta what i was saying is after this, after your rightful protesting and rightful rioting, let's make sure we join with those people that are already organizing and we learn to be organizers, that we plot, plan, strategize, organize and mobilize. that's is the way to actual

capitalize. meet with your people on a weekly basis, figure out locally what is going to affect you and get behind candidates that can support and take away from those you don't. and beside elections, get out in the community and organize on behalf of the community. i believe because of the boots on the ground, grass roots approach this time around, we're going to see a light year leap in terms of progression. >> absolutely. and you wrote for "the atlanta journal constitution" you wrote will this finally be the instance when the state finally acts to protect our lives and our interests? does this time feel different to you? >> first of all, i want to acknowledge that amazing eulogy that you gave when you said the knee on the neck has been on

black people's next for hundreds of years. so thankful. i'm a 45-year-old man now and i was in the '92 riots. i seen police on the good and the bad in my life that look like me. do i believe things are going to change? the cynic in me says things will never change, they haven't changed in 400 years, rev, but there's hope and possibility in the moment because we have the ability to put pressure on our mayors, our prosecutors and the federal government in terms of doing the right thing in terms of bringing policemen to task and we have power and economy to bring people up and give prosecutors the ability to prosecute. and if on a weekly basis we're doing what my man mr. check point says, that's always stay on the police. i'm going to be honest with you.

it's got to the point where to of the most beautiful things i've seen this week when i've seen police exerting their power and mobs get in and peacefully break up the attack. as a people, we have to remember these are our employees and we have to get them in check sometimes. the police, i am from a family, policemen are represented within my family and they're also black men. i've also seen footage of black men police officer being mistreated because the people are not knowing who they are. we deserve our constitutional rights and we should damn well be in the streets fighting for it from now until we get it. >> killer mike, thank you for being with us tonight. >> i appreciate you, rev. >> i appreciate you. >> coming up, a look at how americans are showing up to support social justice and change around the country today. that's next. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less

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let's go to richard lui. >> there's a lot going on around the country. shaquille brewster is in minneapolis. now that we're almost at the two-week mark, what's the mood like? >> reporter: syou've seen this intersection before. this is where jgeorge floyd was killed. you see people coming to the site and pay their respects and continue to live and reflect on the legacy of george floyd. yesterday the city council had big news, they are banning choke

holds, put a policy in place to make sure officers if they see excessive force they have to intervene. what was your reaction to hearing that news from the city council? >> i was excited to see thhear . i think it's not a necessity thing to do. it's used for maybe wrestling and other sports. we were elated. it's a start in the beginning of this whole injustice. >> you were telling me this is one of your first times here? >> i've been here a few times actually. >> reporter: people have been calling for this kind of change. is that enough for you? >> it's a start. but now we need justice for breonna who was murdered this year as well. so it's a start but we still need more change. >> reporter: i continue to hear

that, it's a start but they want to see more, they want to see system ic issues addressed. >> chris jansing is in new york city. as we were mentioning, we were seeing movements two weeks in. where are we at in new york city right now? >> reporter: it's unbelievable actually. the energy in new york city today, richard, has been really, really high. i just came from washington square park, which was not just full of thousands of people but they were pouring over -- overflowing to the streets. this group that you see marching here, they are coming off the brooklyn bridge. police are saying there may have been as many as 15,000 people who were marching into manhattan from brooklyn. there had been a group here at lower manhattan at foley square. they joined this group and they started to march north. it's been so interesting. i've been covering these protests since sunday.

there was an ebb and a flow, a lot of anger in the first days, toward the middle to the end of the week, a lot of people told me how tired they were, how exhausted. will people be able to keep up this energy? driving around manhattan, there is no doubt they are putting their actions behind their words. what are those words? it's not enough to just march for a few days, to say a few things. that's what one person told me politicians do, they make promises and they don't keep them. we're back to when martin luther king was fighting. they're calling for defund bein police, taking a billion dollars out of the police budget and putting it for programs. there's also two and a half

hours before curfew and questions about how many will continue after curfew. look at these protesters, they are almost all wearing masks, they have been social distancing and completely peaceful. what is the point of either surrounding them, either making people go home or taking them to jail? that's what we'll be watching for in two and a half hours. all day long, thousands and thousands of people who have been peaceful. >> chris jansing in new york city and we'll turn people back over to reverend al sharpton. coming up my conversation with one of the founders of the movement. f the founders of the

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millions across the globe today are calling for an end to systemic racism and police brutality. one of the biggest movements fighting against these injustices is black lives matter. joining me is patrisse cullors.

thank you for being with me. one of the things that i've seen and you and i have discussed this before but not in this particular phase of the movement since the killing of george floyd is that we've seen people of different races, of different orientations in terms of their sexuality and we've seen people of different genders coming together, something that you always talked about since you started with two others the black lives matter slogan and then built it into some detailed movement, which i want to get to in a minute. but is this not what all of us really have been talking about for a long time, and do you think that we can hold it and make some substantive change out

it hav of it? >> it's so good to be on the show. it's so good to see you. i feel very proud for the folks in the streets that have not let up for the last 13 days. i think what we've seen over the last seven years and many can argue over the last 400 years is a sustained movement to make sure that black folks get the rights that they've deserved for a very long time. i do believe we're in a very particular moment right now. i think people are interested in changing the system, not just saying black lives matter. i think we're ready to have a conversation about what it looks like to defund the police. we're ready to really have a conversation about what it looks like to end police violence and that's just powerful. >> now, in an op-ed for vogue, you outlined many of the things and the goals that you wanted, taking the streets right now. you said that african-americans just want their lives to be,

quote, affirmed and valued as an integral asset to this country. what are the steps to get to that point? >> i think number one, as we're seeing police violence becomes the pinnacle in which we get to really see the egregious violence against black people. so we have to take on the ways in which law enforcement has been able to be rogue and have little accountability in our communities. much of what we have talked about is defund the police strategy. some may see what does that really mean? what we're saying is we have to reprioritize where we put our resources. many of our cities and states have little access to mental health care. we don't have a good health care structure, we don't have access to employment, we're don't have access to healthy food. so this becomes a conversation around where have we put our resources over the last 30 years?

we know that we've put our resources primarily into the police and prison state. so now is an opportunity to reevaluate has that system worked? in fact, it's not just not worked, it has killed people over and over and over again. so we need to reprioritize. i'm so grateful to see so many people talk about a conversation that many of us have been trying to talk about for years. >> and people across different lines. i tell people all the time whether it's black lives matter activists, whether it's those who have come out of different civil rights organizations, we're not anti-anyone as much as we're pro ourselves. and people of other races have joined in to say, that's right, we have to affirm them. and i think that you have gone out of your way as well as those that have been leading the movement with you to say we've got to respect everybody for, like killer mike said, for

whatever generation they are, you're the only one i've given you permission to call me o.g. in public, a lot of people may call me different things in private. even though we relate to different generation, it's all one struggle. >> we've seen a multi-racial movement to change the very relationship black people have to this country. we say all the time when black people get free, we'll all get free. that's such an important markmarker. >> all right, patrisse cullors, always great to see you and talk with you. >> up next, my conversation with minneapolis mayor jacob frye right after this. r jacob frye right after this on... on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... ...can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling.

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years ago i went to march. and i remember a young white

lady looked me right in the face and said, "nigger, go home." but when i was here last thursday and we were headed back to the airport, i stopped near the police station. and as i was talking to a reporter, a young white girl, she didn't look no older than 11 years old, she tagged my suit jacket. and i looked around, and i braced myself. and she looked at me and said, "no justice, no peace." >> welcome back. as president of national action network, i told that story about a young girl in minneapolis at george floyd's funeral services this thursday. and after all these decades of marching and protesting, maybe change really is on the horizon. jumpstarted by a tragedy on those very same minneapolis streets. joining me now is minneapolis mayor jacob frey.

mayor frey, you have had to deal with the last two weeks since the death, killing of george floyd right there in your city. and i was serious when i said, and i believe you were sitting there with your wife at the funeral, that there is a different kind of attitude around the country and in minneapolis among some whites. not all of them. i'm not naive, and i'm not saying that we're anywhere near where we want. but there are more than i've ever seen that have a new attitude of not only understanding how we should relate but understanding the inequality and disparities and that they must be dealt with. >> reverend, you're exactly right. i think we are all coming to grips with our collective brokenness right now. and i know i certainly am. and i think it's incumbent on all of us, leaders, mayors,

governors, community, police chiefs, to channel that collective pain and anger that we are seeing right now into collective action. this is a moment in time. when we can all as a united front rise up and say that this system, this racist system, needs change and it needs to happen now. >> i know that we've been talking about this for years, but this seems to be a point in history that's pregnant with possibilities. what do you say to your fellow mayors? you went through some nights of violence. you went through peaceful protests that are still continuing and the numbers are growing. some mayors have responded by trying to fight back with force. others have tried to understand. others have gone to where they've actually advocated some change. you call for charges on the policemen before they even came

down. what are you saying to fellow mayors that may be watching you tonight? being that this happened in your city and you went from the range of peaceful protests to violence, even one of your police stations burned down. what do you say that they ought to be doing at this hour? >> the first thing that we need to be doing is speaking the truth and to be honest. when i first saw that horrid video that was george floyd's murder and i thought to myself that the protocols and procedures that are normally baked into the walls of not just minneapolis city hall but city halls around the country need to get thrown out. those protocols that'll say don't speak out, wait for an investigation, wait for everything to play through. you know, we saw what happened on video. and what happened was murder. and so we said that the actions were wrong in every way. we immediately terminated all four officers. and yes, i also called for

charges as well. that needed to happen first. and by the way, i don't believe -- i believe in peaceful protesting to the core. i will be a number one defender of the first amendment rights, but you know, you don't build up a cause by burning down a community. i stand by that. but i also stand by speaking the truth. both of those things can be true. >> do you feel that the reforms that have began to be put in place that i spoke about earlier in this program in minneapolis, do you feel that these things will be resisted by the police unions, and do you advise other cities to look at the reforms that you have began in minneapolis? >> of course they will be resisted by the police union. they already have been resisting for years. i mean, mayors and chiefs, progressive mayors and chiefs in

recent history in minneapolis have been thwarted in their efforts to fully revamp the system. and sure, there are policy reforms that we can and need to make. there are policy reforms that we have made. but to really combat the system we need to look at the systemic change and how the architecture of the system is set up, where you have these police union contracts that need to be negotiated so you basically need to get permission from the police union to make many of these reforms. we need to look at how the arbitration system is structured as well, where we see terminations or disciplinary actions made by the chief or myself that are overturned down the road in order to shift the culture of the department you also to a certain extent need to have a shift of the people that are in it. and you get more -- you get the good officers in and you get the officers that are not responding to the changes that need to be made out. >> all right.

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