that's a long time. we calculated with the clock here, that's how long he was laying there. there's no excuse. they had enough time, they had enough time. now what will we do with the time we have? good evening, i'm ali velshi in new york. unrelenting crowds of people continue to march in protest for a 12th straight night since george floyd's death in the custody of minneapolis police. family gathered for a private memorial service for floyd in

rayford, north carolina today. as his coffin arrived, long lines of mourners shouted the chant "no justice, no peace." we saw that replicated throughout the country, even as more videos capture police violence against protesters, the nation's fury for an end to racism and police brutality as a whole has strong stronger. two buffalo police officers were charged with second degree assault after disturbing video showed them shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground and leaving him there as the blood pooled from his head. simply put, the country is fed up. in louisville, kentucky, crowds were out to mourn the death of breonna day lotaylor who would turned 27 years old today. similar pictures were seen in chicago, los angeles, new york

city, buffalo and other american cities, including capital. tens of thousands flooded washington, d.c. in united condemnation of police tactics and this administration's militant response. in the backdrop of their call for justice, a white house fortified by fences and concrete barriers designed to push away the very people the president was sworn to protect. congress have now investigating the trump's administration use of homeland security resources to surveil and intimidate peaceful protests. and the president? well, so far he's made sure to flagrantly showcase his willful ignorance of systemic racial problems that plague america. we go to shaquille brewster. i was with you in minneapolis and since then there has been the support for george floyd and

what's the situation in minneapolis now? >> reporter: you're seeing protesters continuing to come out and keep that pressure up on the governor and the mayor to get those changes they want to see. i was at a protest earlier today at the governor's manninsion, w had thousands of people marching there, we're seeing other cases and other situations where protests are still continuing to go on, but here at the site where george floyd died, you're continuing to see the commemorations happen. there's a rally somewhat going on behind me. up see in the direction where you're looking now, that's where george floyd died, people coming over with flowers, with signs, continuing to pay their respects. then there's that mural that has become so famous, another location, another vigil where people have been coming solidly, placing their notes, words of kindness for george, taking pictures at that wreath, doing what they can to pay their

respects for george floyd and his memory. as you mentioned, there has been some change here in minneapolis. the police department and the mayor or the city council agreed with the state after negotiations to not only look into the minneapolis police department but got a ban, a ban on choke holds for the minneapolis police department. and also put pressure on officers who see wrong doing. they now have a duty to intervene and a duty to report. i've been talking to people about that here. i want to bring in some people i was talking to. this is their first time here at the memorial, at this vigil. you were saying you're not satisfied with the changes you've been seeing so far. tell me about that. >> i mean, we just -- we need more. we need -- there's so much more that we need around here. i'm speechless right now. i wasn't planning on television but there's a whole lot more than we need, not only here but around the world. we need a lot of change. >> reporter: you live here in minneapolis. this is your first time coming

to this site. >> i grew up in minneapolis but i live in maple grove. >> reporter: what brought you here today? >> i just needed to see everything for myself, i wanted to see the memorials, the love of the people. i've been watching it on the news but i haven't had time to get into the city so i felt it was the right time to bring my kid and children, see a little bit of history. >> reporter: that's what i continue to hear. not only do you hear people from the area coming, but i've met people from colorado. i've met someone who drove up from dallas, texas. i met someone who took a 12-hour drive from cincinnati, ohio, just to come and pay their respects. that's what you're continuing to hear. you talk to people on the ground about the changes happening. they appreciate them, they want to see more. they want to see those systemic issues truly addressed. ali? >> chuck brewster in minneapolis, thank you, sir. i want to bring in valerie castile, the mother of her son

shot and killed. and an activist, she created the not reaching pouch, to be carried by african-americans to prevent deadly police interactions similar to the death of castile. mrs. castile, i'm sorry we have to continue to talk about this. i don't know that it gets any better for you and i think it got worse for you when you saw the video of george floyd having his life snuffed out of him. >> absolutely. it was one of those deja vu moments, and i was saying like again? i mean, we've been having these conversations for over four years about policy changes and police reform, but we've also been involved in a lot making of

different documents, the things that need to be changed and how the people would like to be treated. it's so simple. you treat people the way you want to be treated. and you swore an oath. you swore an oath to protect and serve and you're killing people. and if you really check minnesota out and see how many people have been killed at the hand of the police, it would pleau your mind. the -- blow your mind. there's an existing of a 30-foot scroll with all these names attached to them. and within the last five years, a hundred of our kids have been killed just in minnesota alone. 100. five years. that's 20 lives a year. unbelievable.

>> last week you went to minneapolis to join in a protest and speak there, and when you were asked about the protest turning violent, you said i've seen it time after time. you cannot keep treating people this way. they're going to rebel. i knew this day would come. george floyd was the straw that broke the camel's back. what is left to do? what do you want people to do at this point? >> well, i can't tell people exactly what to do, but, you know, it is what it is. you've had an opportunity. we've been having these conversations for the last year. probably before me. there have been so many people killed and we keep talking and talking. it was bound to happen. there's nothing that i can say. i said it all in 2016. when that man walked away no charges, no accountability, i

said you don't know what you've done. you've just given these people free reign to kill. you had everything you needed for a conviction and we got nothing. god put that fire and that torch in me and i decided let's do this. we're going to fight for reform, we're going to fight for policy change. lo look. document. document. documents. documents. all this. all these beautiful recommendations and all of it is gathering dust. >> jacqueline carter, i'm a business journalist at heart. i love entrepreneurship and i've interviewed thousands of entrepreneurs, but i guarantee i've never interview somebody

like you. you created the not reaching pouch so african-americans can have their license and registration close enough to them that they do not give police the impression that they might be reaching for a gun, which is why the officer who killed philando castile said that he killed him. >> correct. even though i may not have known philando, he feels as if he was my son. on that day we were celebrating our son's 30th birthday in coastal, pennsylvania and valerie was losing her son. i just couldn't take it anymore. i said to my husband, i said, wayne, we got to do something. even if our solution is small, there has to be a solution. too many people are talking about the problem and no one wants to come to the table with solutions. when i met with officers, i asked them what is it that makes you nervous or escalates a traffic stop. and they all said it's the

reaching. it's reaching. so i call my product not reaching, not knowing about a year later that when i met valerie, philando's last words were "i wasn't reaching." >> how do you feel about -- i mean, you went out there to create something so that this wouldn't happen again, but the underlying problem is so much bigger than that. do you think it's stuff like this or do you think at this point the country has heard that policing has to change? >> it's a little bit of everything. we're in a time right now that we have to make ourselves as safe as possible. i get a lot of comments saying we shouldn't have to do this. there's a lot of things we should not have to do. and my husband has a great line. he says you can't hold court on the side of the road. you have to live to see another day to fight. so not reaching is not the end all be all, but it is a solution

to keep your hands where you can see them. for me it's an honor for me to have created something like that in honor of philando. and there's a lot of things. we have to change the whole criminal system. i started as a grand jury court reporter from 2016 to 2018 in d.c. and northern virginia. i know exactly what goes on in grand jury. i served in glen kirchner's courtroom quite a baiibit. and what goes on now is george floyd's record will have to be talked about and there's a lot of things that go on in a grand jury that it may not even make it out of grand jury. >> jacqueline carter is an activist and a creator of the not reaching pouch. let's take a look at those pictures we were looking at. this is now called black lives

matter plaza in the district of columbia, so named by the mayor and the words "black lives matter" painted on the road there. that is a peaceful protest in washington, d.c. tonight. coming up, as americans ten to march against police brutality and racism, time and time again we see law enforcement responding with more violence. something has to change. we'll talk about what that change could be and how to get it done. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. botanical blend, while an optimal melatonin level means no next-day grogginess. zzzquil pure zzzs. naturally superior sleep.

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as protesters gather across the country for the 12th night of demonstrations against police brutality and racism, many leaders and elected officials are demanding the nation rethink its approach to policing this week los angeles mayor eric garcetti announced he would cut as much as $150 million from a planned increase to the lapd's more than $1 billion budget. it calls for a divestment and reallocation of police funds

into other areas of the black communities is not a new concept. but how do we achieve this alternative to the current state of law enforcement? one alternative that is fair and doesn't force a political climate where black lives are pitted against so-called blue ones? daughter think roberts is a professor of law, sociology and africanadirector of the program are race and society. let's be clear. there are calls for a bol iboli police, for defunding the police and then there are calls for something that is less bumper sticker worth ear by but it the reallocation of resources. tell me what makes sense in this portfolio of options. >> well, all of those are related to each other. so defunding is related to abolition, which is related to

using those funds for other investments that are more likely to secure us and to contribute to our health and welfare. and so the broader concept is to abolish policing based on a recognition that what we're seeing is not an aberration, it's not about bad apples, it's not about lack of training, it's about the very function of police, which originated in slave patrols and have always been used to support a racist order in the united states. and the interests of an elite group of people. and so the idea then is reform isn't sufficient. what eventually needs to happen is abolishing the very function of policing and replacing it with another way of securing people's safety and providing

for our human needs and dealing with conflicts. now, in order to get there, we can immediately take steps to make the police less powerful. and one of those steps is to defund the police, so disinvest in police, to spend less on police and use that money instead for much better humane and democratic and equalizing ways that truly protect our health and safety, like education, like health care, like better housing, those sorts of things. >> one of the things that you discuss is abolition of police or defunding of police requires envisioning a radically different approach to crime that creates alternatives to prison as the dominant means of addressing social harm and inequality. what do you mean by that? >> well, abolishing police is part of a broader effort to end

the entire prison industrial complex. to end punitive approaches that are based on arresting and caging people as a way of addressing human needs and solving social problems. and so this is part of a broader prison abolition movement that is aimed at creating a society where we don't need to cage people, we don't need to arrest people, we don't need the aggression and violence that police inflict in order to enforce the laws. what we need is a different kind of society altogether. and we're working toward that, but also thinking about what we can do to move toward that kind of society, and that's where the calls to defund or disinvest in the police come in. >> dorothy, thank you for your time. i know this is a very big discussion and we will continue to have it.

dorothy roberts is a professor of law and sociology. >> and i want to bring in the leader of campaign zero, who has unveiled an eight-point plan aimed at reducing the use of police officers. i'm sorry i have to see you because every time i see you we're talking about someone who has died in the hands of police. >> let's zoom out a little bit and remember that the violence of police is what caused us to be here today. there were only 27 days in 2019 that the police didn't kill somebody. this is a consistent trauma. 2019 was the first year where black people were more afraid of

being killed by a police officer than being killed by community violence. when we think about how we get to abolition, we realize there's no one strategy to get us there. it will take a host of strategies to get us there. we put forward a plan to immediately restrict the police officers' use of force. it's been adopted by 20-ish cities already. but that is not enough. one strategy is never enough. the defund strategy is a key part of how we get to ablatibe . you agree that experts should do what experts do. who should respond to a mental health crisis? an expert. is the police an expert? no. who should respond to an addiction issue? not the police. the police are the first to tell us they're not social workers and we agree.

we should permanently reassign those responsibilities and resources outside of police departments and to community-based programs where we know people have support. and that's all that strategy means. and it makes sense. it's clear and we need more cities to adopt it so we can get to a place where we imagine a place where public safety is not rooted in someone who has a gun. >> they're banning choke holds and strangleholds, intervening and stopping excessive force by others office, banning shooting at moving vehicles, require use of force continuum and reporting any time the police officers use force. of the eight, two of them, requiring deescalation and embassy a exhaust all other means before shooting require retraining or

extensive training, they cost money and require time. they're not overnight things. >> that's the thing is none of these things cost money. they don't increase the scope of the police or the budgets of the police and the role of the police. so police departments can implement all of these with the money that they already have. we would never propose a solution that increases the budget of a police department. we think about these, too, because we think about them as simple but not small. they are simple to understand like banning strangleholds and choke holds. and they actually just kill less people and that's a really good thing. choke holds, only 28 of the largest police departments even been choke holds today. that's unacceptable. minneapolis and st. paul are banning them. police budgets are already fat enough that they'll be able to integrate these into their culture with no new funding. >> thanks for being with me, a

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the death of george floyd in the modern civil rights movement that it's sparked has renewed calls to tear down all symbols of racism literally. several cities across the south have decided to remove its confederate statues. the mayor saying it potentially distracts from focusing on the city's future. the statute of confederate general robert e. lee has watched over richmond, virginia since 1890. it's been a flash point of protest during these calls for

racial and social injustice. governor ralph northam announced the statue would be torn down. ladies and gentlemen, richmond is no longer the capital of the confederacy. [ applause ] it is time to show our community how much love we have here. it's time that we embraced our diversity. it is time that we remove barriers that hinder the dreams of black children in our community. >> nbc news reporter deepa joins us from richmond. what's the timeline and what's the pushback? >> ali, it been a long week here

in richmond. you just missed a moment behind me, around the statue there is a circle and protesters here were peacefully marching for 20 minutes, shouting things like "black lives matter" george floyd and breonna taylor." in the background of all of it is literally the six story foot tall statue of the former con fr confederate general. that's the argument that richmond leaders and the governor is talking about why it important to talk about this, to remove a terrible symbol for so many people of this country. the pushback has been there. folks argue taking down these monuments will be erasing

history. others argue it's matter of what kind of history are we choosing to remember and glorify. the timeline, according to them little vague. the mayor is saying they'll take it down as soon as possible. we'll be keeping an eye on that in the next couple of weeks. i heard from the mayor himself to told me he wouldn't be surprised if this monument behind me comes down before july 1st. that's something we're keeping an eye on in the next couple of weeks here. >> that's been a flash point for racial tensions for the last three and a half years. well, what we've all been talking about are small, obvious ways in witch to change. but what will it take for the deaths of african-americans at the hands of police to stop?

what will it take to stop the pain for our loved ones, like george floyd's siblings, who spoke earlier today at his memorial today in north carolina. >> i couldn't take it. changing his diapers, that's our baby brother. and i can't go in and see him laying in a coffin. it would drive me crazy forever. every time i close my eyes, that's what i would see. >> begs the question what would have happened if video was not taken of the police officer his life and saying "i can't breathe." joining me is the mother of eric garner and is the author of "this stops today."

thank you for being with us. one of the things you said is it's never going to be over, it's not even a nightmare because nightmares actually end. you don't believe this ends. >> oh, no. we have to keep on fighting, just like we seen when my son was murdered and the big crowds came out at that time also, all over the nation, in different countries. then people went back to business as usual. but i didn't. i kept fighting. i fought the system until finally the system did give me a little bit, not much, but a little bit of justice when they fired officer pantleo. but there were other officers that needed to be fired, just like in george floyd's case. all of them should have been arrested on the spot and that did not happen.

>> you have lobbied the new york state to make choke holds illegal in new york. you're looking for simple, small things that would have resulted possibly in your son being alive today. >> and that's correct. and maybe had they passed this legislation years ago, maybe george floyd would still be alive. but they drug their feet. the d.o.j. drug their feet for five years and then announced that they weren't going forward with my case. they dropped the case. and i told them they may not be going forward but i am. that's how i got the departmental trial that we ultimately got one police officer fired. but all of those police officers still need to stand trial. and i plan to revisit that situation. >> i want to ask you with george floyd, like eric garner, we watched what happened. and the protesters with whom i've spoken on the street are beside themselves.

they're confused. they're saying if this isn't enough, what will be enough? in many of these cases, these african-american men and women are not captured on video when they are killed. what do you believe needs to happen for there to be justice for young african-americans? >> well, first of all, this system wasn't built to be justified for young black african-americans. you see, we are the majority that is being brutalized and terrorized by the police in our communities. so the system needs to be torn down and built up again because i don't think that they will ever recognize that we are a complete human being in this system, because even with the protests that's going on they are still brutalizing people. these officers should be, especially with the peaceful protests as we see going on now, they are supposed to protect the people. they are supposed to just monitor the protests, not bang them in the head like they did

that 75-year-old man. that was just disgraceful. >> do you -- you see what's happening now. you talk about the fact that the crowds came out after eric garner and yet you didn't get justice. do you think it's different today? >> well, it's a little different because the mayor in minnesota decided to fire those officers immediately. and that's what should have been done in new york city. if that had been done, i don't think we might not have to see these crowds today because it would have sent a message. but the message that new york sent during the time that my son was murdered, oh, it's okay for you to murder them. we might have a little uprising but then the people will go away and we will sweep it under the rug. that's exactly what would have happened if i didn't press on. but i refused to let my son die in vain and knowing that the system had failed him. >> ms. carr, i'm sorry for your

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the white house is arguably the most well-guarded property in the world. this week we saw it turn into a fortified bunker inside a militarized zone. blocks of tall black fencing have been put up around the white house and protests over the police killing of george floyd made their way to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. shannon pettypiece writes the white house has become a fortress inside a fortress followed by the protesting triggered by the death of george floyd, it feels like going into a green zone. there are ten military vehicles rolling past the pennsylvania avenue starbucks and camo-clad troops where people used to buy red, white and blue usa sweatshirts. shannon, it's been sort of missed in the story because

there were protests outside. brian williams pointed out last weekend is that the white house is an old house. you can't be in the white house and not know what's going on at lafayette park because people use drums and appropriation test with things that make noise. there is some wonder as to what are they thinking inside the white house? it's become very clear with the barricades that have been erected. >> right. that's gotten much different. at this point the protesters are pushed so far back, you can't see them from the white house, and you can barely hear them. on friday ai was able to hear sort of a base of rock music because there was a street party-like atmosphere going on. a few months ago there was a protester, a man outside the white house for hours and hours, you know, preaching, droning on and on that everyone within the complex could hear. now it's eerily quiet. you can't hear anything. that's just a complete change from where we started this week when from the rose garden as the

president was speaking, we heard these explosions, these flash bang grenades going off on the white house grounds as they were clearing out the park for this now infamous church visit and you were able then to even smell the disperse ennts used on the white house grounds. now you can't even see them anymore. >> that's incredible. has access changed for reporters? >> it has. so you mentioned this large gate that's gone up. we now have to go through -- there's one entrance all the reporters and staff go through. because that's not our usual entrance, we have to be escorted by a white house staffer, we can only go in at certain times. the procedures and protocols have changed. inside the white house you can certainly see an uptick in secret service, agents walking around the grounds, many in riot

gear. outside you see this national guard presence, they're in the park, they're on the streets and i would say, ali, last night as i was leaving the white house, there was a rotation going on between one group of national guards leaving and another group of national guard troops coming in. and there were buses pulled up to pennsylvania avenue with hundreds and hundreds of uniformed national guard troops filing off the buses, walking down pennsylvania avenue behind this fortified gate. it's only the type of image i would anticipate seeing if the u.s. was under attack by a foreign invader or a terrorist attack. you can argue whether or not that's an appropriate response with the national guard or not, but the images are just something i would not have imagined seeing short of the united states being at war with an adversary. >> so much of what we've seen over the last 12 days is not

what we are used to seeing in ameri america. next to us, shannon, on the screen is what is now black lives matter plaza. there are thousands of people out in the streets of washington, d.c. and other cities tonight. shannon, thank you for your reporting. shannon pettypiece is a senior digital white house reporter for nbc news. if you think you're not racist, you could be right. but in this day and age, that's simply not good enough. up next, why it's time to check our bias at the door and lean into the discomfort that is necessary for real change. mfort necessary for real change. proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira. proof of less joint pain... ...and clearer skin in psa. humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage.

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police has enraged america. it's bad, but i don't believe all police are bad. i was in chicago on tuesday when a white police officer took a knee. you've probably seen a video of police officers across the country doing that, marching along side protesters. and even among those who don't there are many police who put their lives on the line to serve and protect. but if you are white the statistics prove that you do receive better treatment from the police. white america needs to come to terms with the fact we live in a racist society and that there are bad cops. police brutality is real. disproportionate police brutality against people of color is more real. the relationship between those two things is no mystery. we all have biases. we could all overcome our bia , biases, but if you have the power police have and they are

unchecked. it is not history, and we have not reckoned with it. it's time for us to all get uncomfortable, to demonstrate our support for real change and act on it. that movement out there in the streets is america's movement. it is our movement, all of ours. and it's not about all lives matter or white lives matter or blue lives matter because all and white and blue are not subject to systemically entrenched and often fatal racism. whatever that means for you lean-in until it hurts. that's how you know you're doing it right. change is hard. injustice is wrong and protest what this country was built on is noble. is noble ur home,

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good evening. i'm ali velshi in new york. for the 12th straight day we have seen protesters from coast to coast. thousands of americans continue to march against racism, police violence and the killing of george floyd at the hands of minneapolis police. in washington, d.c. a massive group has assembled outside the fenced in white house for what might have been the capitol's largest protest yet. just blocks way from the phrase "black lives matter" is now painted in gigantic yellow letters on the street by the mayor of d.c. this as new reporting tonight says president trump knicksed a trip to his bedminster golf club this weekend over the, quote, bad optics it would present. in buffalo two police officers were charged with this incident. a crowd of police gathered outside that courthouse in

support of the cops charged. let's begin this hour in downtown los angeles. jacob, you are just returning to all of this from paternity leave. it's good to have you back. the last time we saw you there was no pandemic and no protests. tell us what you're seeing out there tonight. >> reporter: actually, ali, it's a very different scene than what we saw just two weeks ago. downtown los angeles a much more festive atmosphere that we've seen even in the last cup of days. the police department lined up across the entrance it's almost like an open mike. we're continuing to hear speakers come in and speak and call for the end of systemic racism. take a look on top of the bus stop. we've got people lined up up here and people are truly having

a good time today while out protesting and speaking out on behalf of george floyd. look at this over here. we have a bus that's driven up, a school bus with a basketball hoop. on top of the hoop it says black lives matter on the basketball backboard. on top of the bus people are out here in solidarity with one another, but people are out here now celebrating with one another. and that, i think, is where this has pivoted in the last couple of days. i want to see if i can maybe talk to somebody, and ali, come me with for a second because i want to see if there are folks out here that have maybe been out here for the past couple of days. i'm just curious. is this the first day you've come out here? >> it is my first day. >> reporter: so what have you seen versus kput ywhat you expe. and talk to me about what the change is you would like to see. we heard the city council, the mayo