hey there. i'm joshua johnson. good to be with you from nbc news world headquarters in new york. it is the 12th night of protests after the death of george floyd. thankfully, and not surprisingly, they've been mostly peaceful. curfew started here in new york an hour ago. that has not stopped the demonstrations, as you can see. practically no big city's curfew has. in washington, many thousands of people spent the day marching down the newly renamed black lives matter plaza, one of the sfreets that leads to the white house. the protests were very lively,

parts of the crowd even dancing. meanwhile in north carolina, they danced at the holy ghost at a memorial for george floyd. it was preceded by a viewing. more police officers are coming under scrutiny for their actions during protests. in buffalo, new york, an elderly man remains in the hospital tonight after this happened when he was pushed to the ground. two officers are suspended as they face assault charges. >> president trump tweeted simply, quote, law and order unquote. we begin tonight in washington and that is where we find nbc's garrett haake joining us live. how are the protests going tonight? >> reporter: joshua, this is a different story, could be a different planet from a week ago. it is lively and jubilant. it is essentially a block party atmosphere out here. i have to tell you, to the

degree that it remains a protest-focused thing, we've seen a shift from anger and frustration and exhaustion and sadness the first couple of days to what are we going to do about in? today's protest has had an anti-trump tone, a distinct focus on voting and voting him out of his residence behind me and a building on symbolic -- like that. like the painting of black lives matter on the street and the renaming of this plaza and saying, okay, now what is the d.c. mayor going to do about this? what are the d.c. police going to do to address the inequality in the district? joshua, we're light years from where we were last saturday in terms of everything being conducted and people in the district feel about the death of george floyd and the future of policing in their city. >> garrett, before i let you go, because it's jubilant, i presume the protesters are not declaring

victory yet, right? >> reporter: no. entirely not. the point i started to make here, i think there's a transition from the anger over george floyd's death to trying to channel this. to try to figure out what exactly do we want nags tionall. what it's like to not be a state. to feel as though the federal government was making decisions for people in d.c., that they didn't agree with. from the clearing of lafayette square, the d.c. activist community is awake to the opportunity presented to them and not letting their foot off the gas. >> thank you garrett haake joining us live from washington. ziechlts protesters in new york have been on the streets through much of the day. nbc's senior national correspondent chris jansing joins us from brooklyn. you're on the move again. where are you and which way is the crowd going? >> atlantic avenue away from

manhattan. i couldn't almost believe what i was hearing from garrett. different city, exactly the same. i've been on these streets for seven nights now and very much filled with anger and hopelessness and just frustration the first couple of days. and then for the last couple of days there seemed to be this exhaustion and people are wondering, are we going to be able to keep this up. then, today on a beautiful new york day, all five boroughs had either protest rallies or protest marches like this. i saw at least seven or eight of them, thousands and thousands and thousands of people. this is one that was in the barclays center and it was called black women matter. breonna taylor at the center of it. i think also at the center of

all of them is this idea that we've now moved past mourning to action. we've got to make sure that marching day after day after day doesn't turn out the way it has in the past with politicians saying, yes, things have to change and then nothing changes. there was a little bit of an intense moment back there and that moment was police were along the side and the question was, after curfew, which was 8:00, two hours ago, would they try to stop these folks from marching. a young man walked up to him and said, we are peaceful, which is the argument that protesters have been making all week, which is true. everyone i saw today, peaceful, wearing masks. the police just said, let's go. as you can see behind, you can probably see the lights. the police are following along. how long they will let them go is another question. joshua, they've arrested about 2,000 people in new york. only 40 yesterday.

but the protests were minuscule compared to what we saw today. so we'll see what the police decide to do amid the criticism that they have faced for what protesters, what civil rights activists and many members of the city council believe is being far too aggressive with what have been peaceful protesters. joshua? >> a different tone indeed. that's senior national correspondent, chris jansing in brooklyn tonight. this week has given us a lot to chop up with the panel tonight. janelle ross, senior reporter with nbc blk, michael starr hopkins, a veteran of the hillary clinton campaign. jamel hill. good to see the three of you tonight. michael, let me start with you. what's your sense of what garrett haake was talking about and what chris was talking about regarding the shift in the protests to what happens now,

what are we going to do, what is your sense, if any, of any threads emerging from the protests about what might happen next? >> i was in the protests in d.c. a week ago today. at about 9:00 is when i started dodging tear gas and explosive devices being thrown back and forth between the police. now, fast forward a week later and see people of all ages, all races coming together and making their voice heard, it's the most beautiful thing i could have imagined and it's given me hope. now the conversation has shifted. now we're talking about ending all -- we're talking about looking at the funding for police. this is the conversation we need to be having. i'm so proud of americans for standing up, refusing to back down, making their voices heard. >> jamel, it's clear, i think, that this time is a little different. we're looking at pictures now

from fredericksburg, virginia, is that right? fredericksbu fredericksburg, virginia. protesters are blocking one. highways there. jamel, there's an article from "the new york times" that i'd love to get your thoughts on. she wrote about the impact of covid-19 kind of adding what she described as its own accelerant to the mix. how might this look, jamel, if we were not going through a pandemic? it seems like covid-19 exposed some of the issues and the inequalities that have come up as a result of these protests. >> it not only exposed a lot of the inequity that we have in our country, but i think it also forced us to slow down and have time to think. many of us are working from home. we're not distracted by other things. now we're finally forced to deal with a lot of the problems, a lot of the systemic issues, the oppression, the things that have been slowly and for hundreds of

years eating at the core of this country. we don't have anywhere to run. we can't use work as a distraction or sports as a distraction, we can't use a lot of different things as distractions that constantly have us saying, well, maybe later, not now. now isn't the time. well, considering we're all in a crisis, a medical crisis, public health crisis, there may be no other time better than this one. i think that's why right now people are willing to -- whereas in other various points, we've seen this police brutality inflicted on black people, we've rushed to get past the discomfort and living in it. >> these images are not from fredericksburg, they're from frederick, maryland, northwest of washington. it's an outer suburb, near the washington, baltimore, region. janelle ross, let me ask you

about the way older people of dlor and younger people of color have responded to this moment, either in the protests, the advocacy, anything like that? >> i think to a degree. i think there is some degree of disagreement about the importance of how one protests and how those protests appear to others. and i think without wanting to overgeneralize, i think there is more pronounced concern among older people about making sure that protesters appear to be peaceable and respectful of authority and the sort of appearance of lawnd order. but that isn't to say that young people aren't concerned about that at all. i don't think that there is so much of a massive divide between generations so much as there is i think a sense of long-term knowledge about how this country

tends to respond and different notions because life experience about what works. >> when you say different notions about what works, elaborate on that a little bit. >> i think that there are really, really strong feelings among people who were personally involved in the civil rights movement in the mid part of the 20th century that nonviolent protests is the only way and only method that has worked and then i think for younger people who have, were not personally alive for the civil rights movement, there is another stretch of history they've only read about, but of course some full knowledge that what came out of the civil right movement certainly were many policies that were central to black life and welfare in america today. but also there were limitations

in terms of what was accomplished. and i think that people who were not personally there and didn't have to put themselves on the line, it's easier to look at them critically and sometimes criticize things. i don't want to overstate that. that is not something i had a grand sense that there was a grand divide that has developed between older and younger black americans. i really don't think that's true. >> plenty more to discuss. panel, do stick around. we'll keep an eye on the protest images from across the country. big crowds gathered in los angeles again today. the protests this evening come as the mayor announces cuts to the lapd and a plan to invest in underserved areas. that is next.

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it's another night of protests across the country, including in phoenix, where they've been marching downtown this evening. nearly two weeks after george floyd died in police custody in minneapolis. they're also marching this evening in los angeles and that is where jacob sobriety revolve is standing by. the mood seems different from earlier in the week. what are protesters telling you? >> reporter: joshua, i heard from garrett haake and chris jansing about new york and washington, d.c. same thing here in southern california and los angeles. it's a much more festive

atmosphere man the course of the last 11 or 12 days. all you have to do is look around. it's like a party-like atmosphere. i said hi to you a second ago. tell me your name. >> gina. >> this is my first time out. >> first time out? >> yeah. >> based on what you saw on television over the course of the last week or so, what you're seeing here, what was your expectation versus the reality? >> i knew things had calmed down a lot after the arrest of the other three officers, so everyone, i think, is trying to keep the momentum going. things are just a lot calmer, more peaceful. >> how do you feel being out here today? >> we really came out to absorb some of the great energy and to show our support for the incredible amount of diversity that has come out to support the black lives matter. for so long we felt like we were

on our own in the struggle. when something would happen, you know, it would -- it felt like we were on our own and everyone else would look the other way. to see this compared to a few years ago, it's incredible. >> do you believe -- it's one thing to see everybody on the street. it's another thing to move to another moment to a movement for change. do you think it's coming? do you feel it's going to come? >> we have a really long road ahead, it's an uphill battle. you know, this country is just -- racism is embedded very deeply into the fabric of this country. so it really is going to take everyone to fight that and really win with love. >> it's really nice to meet you. i appreciate you taking the time to talk to me. >> thank you. >> thanks a lot. >> joshua, you haefr conversations like that. what are we going to do next? where do we go from here? as we've been talking about,

there is an action item, what to do with 100 to $150 million they're taking from the lapd, the headquarters which is in this building. this is the police headquarters in downtown l.a. and put it into other city services that would help the african american community and also communities of color throughout this city. that's the next phase in the process. but if you talk to the organizers of black lives matter or many of the other groups in this coalition, whether it's the sunrise movement, environmental justice, everybody is going to want a piece and most of them say that's not nearly enough. a lot of work to do. you're seeing people putting in the work right now. they'll continue to. that is for sure. >> thank you, jacob. joining us just north of downtown los angeles. on the north edge of downtown. jacob, thank you very much. some police departments are looking at policies and regulations amid the protests. l.a. is one of them. a number are making changes.

as we mentioned, eric garcetti announced this week he plans to cut the budget for the lapd by more than $100 million. the city of minneapolis announced that police officers there are now forbidden from using choke holds for strangle holds. officers now have a duty to intervene and report any use of unauthorized force. in seattle, they're going back to restricting tear gas deployment only to the s.w.a.t. team, not to other officers. a civilian oversight group will issue recommendations to improve seattle's crowd control procedures within 30 days. in denver, a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order limiting how denver police use projectiles and chemicals to break up crowds. a captain or high ranking supervisor must witness a specific act of violence or property destruction that justifies using force. joining us now is andrea richie, a police misconduct

activist and attorney and alyssa richardson, an assistant professor of journalism. she's also the author of "bearing witness while black, african americans, smartphone and the new protest, #journalism." good to see you both. andrea, how do you view changes like this, they'll change how protesters deal with police in some cities, a review period, a restraining order? >> i think they clearly showed that policy makers and officials are showing the pressure of the sustained and protests of the scope of the protests. they're far from enough. i think they're in a period of policy change for decades. there's been commission after commission after commission. inquiry after investigation after investigation. i myself testified in front of the president's task force of 21st century policing. i think we've reached a point

where we've recognized the policies are not recognizing change. there was a choke hold policy at the time eric garner was choked to death. at the time of the minneapolis police department policy only talks about pressure on the front of the neck. in george floyd's case, it was on the back of the neck. a change in policy or a temporary reduction in one kind of use of force, i note that in seattle they're still allowed to flash bang and pepper spray, it's not going to make a difference. i think that's why -- frankly, those policy changes are quite minor and out of step with the demand made by those on the ground. the folks in l.a. that we just heard from. as we keep an eye on the images out of maryland, there have been rolling protests throughout the day, professor, let me note this tidbit.

they have been looking at the way that activists have affected the national media landscape, the way that news organizations like ours are covering events like this. among other things, the article asserts, incidents of violence are increasing. we just hear about them more. do you see the shift in coverage, the evolution in coverage as a good thing? >> i think one of the things is the impact that african american witnesses have made throughout history and how that impact is being accelerated. in the bookie talk about three overlapping eras from slavery which led to lynching to what we have now, police brutality. in each of the eras, we've had black witnesses use the technology to bear witness to what they saw. it's only fitting that last month ida b wells, one of the foremost witness toss lynching

posthumously won a pulitzer prize. i'm sure she's rejoicing. in her lifetime she was never to see the legislation passed. as we talk about policy and the impact that black witnesses have had, we've always moved the needle forward using journalism as the key tool to do that. the shift that i see right now, though, is that citizen journalists on ground are highlighting things that we may not have known. many of these are peaceful protests and that the violence is agitated in fact by police. that's not something we would have seen here in l.a. where i'm based during 1992. during coverage of the rodney king up jarises that were here. the media has come a long way to show they've run the gamut and most people out here in 50 states in more than 20 different countries are peacefully protesting what has needed to change for a very long time.

>> professor richardson and andrea richie, you are looking thank -- you are looking at live crowds. much more to see this evening. on your left looks like a massive part of brooklyn. protests all over the country. next we're going to louisville, kentucky where a vigil is being held for breonna taylor. today is one day after what would have been her 27th birthday. they use stamps.com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. try nature's bounty sleep3, get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale a unique tri-layer supplement that calms you, helps you fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer great sleep comes naturally with sleep3. only from nature's bounty.

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one of the many cities in the d.c., baltimore area where protests are taking place this evening. apparently they were protesting in the pouring rain yesterday in frederick. one of many protest as cross the country demanding justice after the death of george floyd since the protesters have a street closed off and police are trying to prevent them from coming further. there have been highways closed

off. 70 had been closed off in a previous demonstration. we'll keep an eye on this. as far as we know, this is still peaceful. certainly the police have not moved in on the demonstrators. we'll look back in as needed. she wanted to become a nurse. she was about to turn 27. yesterday in fact. but in louisville, breonna taylor is being honored not with a party by awe vigil. louisville police killed her and shot her during a no-knock raid. caliper i is there tonight. how does it look tonight. >> reporter: peaceful protests continue here. they were violent earlier in the week. i want to show you a memorial normally for firefighters. butth a touchstone. you were discussing some of the changes made. protesters are putting in green post-it notes the changes around the country. defunding police. first black woman elected mayor

in ferguson. portland, oregon, again -- streets in d.c. renamed. not just the cities where all the protests are taking place. but some of the changes taken place in the last nine days. for breonna taylor, that investigation is still in the hands of the fbi. one of the things they're trying to determine, not just the action that police took that night inside her apartment but how they got to her apartment, how they were able to get a warrant to go on thattoider raid. her boyfriend thought they were being broken into. they fired at the police, they returned fire and hit her eight times. she died in that apartment. if the person they were looking for was already in custody, how did they get that warrant? these are the problems that this city deals with on a daily basis. deeper than how police are behaving on the streets. people say there's a real corruption within the police force in the way that they're making those decisions. hopefully, there will be some kind of movement on that

investigation. the fbi has not given any indication how long it will take. the three officers involved are on some kind of administrative leave. people were happy to see the police chief fired. again, they want something further on that investigation. now, the difference maker here, i think it's been the difference maker around the country, the national guard and the police have withdrawn. they are no longer on the scene. no more snipers on the rooftops, no more drones or helicopters. that's made the difference. they've gotten rid of the curfew, joshua. people are staying. they're remaining peaceful. >> that's cal perry. from louisville. the issues reflected in this week's unemployment report, one that on its face looks like entirely good news. according to the labor department, the economy gained 2.5 million jobs last month. that's what the national jobless rate at 13.3%.

that's down more than a point from april. but black unemployment continued to rise. president trump did not mention that during a press conference yesterday. he also ignored questions about it from the pbs news hour, literally waving them off. it is worth noting that the national rate, 13.3%, may be wrong. the unemployment report notes an error with the classification of some of the data. without that classification error, the rate would be about 3 points higher. janelle ross, michael starr hill are back with me. i wonder what you think of the unemployment numbers and what -- i think there's still derrin not about how wall street is doing. they'll be fine. but about how main street is doing and how that recovery might lag if it comes. >> well, it proves the old adage when white america gets the flu,

black america gets pneumonia. you're correct that we know wall street will be okay, the bankers will be okay. once again, we have to ask whether black america, whether main street america is going to be forgotten like they have been throughout history. you know, when you look at the unemployment rate among african americans, it's usually double what it is among white americans. access to education, access to small business loans are virtually nonexistent. we need to have a system that's built to not only protect us, but workforce us instead of against us. for far too long, we've seen a government that's a hindrance to upward mobility to african americans instead of one that's helping lift all sides. >> janelle, i was going to ask you about that, because president trump frequently called his policies a boon to black workers, here's some of the things he said. >> they thought the number would

be a loss of 9 million jobs and it was a gain of almost 3 million jobs. nobody has ever seen -- i think the numbers are great. this leads us on to a long period of growth. we'll have the greatest -- we'll go back to having the greatest economy anywhere in the world. nothing close. i think we're going to have a very good upcoming few month. >> black unemployment went up bip .1%. unemployment went up by .5%. how is that a victory? >> you are something. >> how is that a victory? >> thank you very much. >> that was him literally -- let's set aside the notion that he's been -- i think that is debatable at best. if we focus just on jobs, jamel, how do you see the president's record? >> i see him as often taking credit for things that have nothing to do with him. often lying and misrepresenting the facts. even when the jobs report and

the employment rate was in a healthy place, there were a lot of deeper looks into what that exactly meant. i mean, having a job and being able to afford the basics, foorksd sheltfood, shelter, those are two different things. those are having to have multiple jobs to provide for the basic necessities. as michael just mentioned, we already know that when something terrible strikes america, it's going to be even worse in the black community. now that you have a lot of smaller businesses that have been forced to close maybe permanently for good because of covid-19, because you've had a lot of people who have been laid off, especially in profession that is tend to have a high number of african americans, black and brown people, period, then we already know that this jobs report or anything that donald trump has done in his administration, that we have to take everything with a grain of salt because he's often allergic

to the facts and often only takes the bits and pieces that make his record look rosier than it deserves to be. >> janelle ross, how do the issues look policywise? do you get the sense that elected leaders are generally addressing them as interconnected or does the link seem to be less clear for policy makers? >> i don't think that i've heard anyone make a link between the two things. i think there's clearly a relationship in the sense that public policy shapes people's lives. but i don't think i've heard anyone mack a connection between black unemployment and police conduct and the economic situation. what is clear without question is that the pandemic before our current moment of crisis made abundantly clear to perhaps people who had not been paying attention to this, is that

workers of color are concentrated in a select set of industries, most them towards the bottom of the economy where penal who as one of the earlier guests said, barely earning enough to get by and are working two and in some cases three jobs. that was before the pandemic. and because they are concentrated in industries like hotels, restaurants, service industries, they've been particularly hard hit either by having to continue to go to work and being called essential workers but their health not being looked after or losing their jobs completely because businesses have gone under. >> right. >> if there is going to be any policy attention paid, there probably needs to be or perhaps could be some discussion about real attention paid to the group of workers. >> certainly the protesters have talked about policies we've

heard from many of the reporters on the ground. we have to pause for a minute. stick around, panel, there's more to discuss as we look at the protests in phoenix and washington, d.c. on what's now known as black lives matter plaza. what about social justice in the age of coronavirus? that's just ahead. stay close.

the message from new york's governor andrew cuomo. one of the public officials concerned about the fight against covid-19. images like these from philadelphia have some public health officials concerned. the u.s. is approaching 2 million confirmed cases, more than 110,000 americans have died. about 20,000 new cases are confirmed each day. let's bring back janelle ross and michael starr hopkins.

an internal medicine physician and nbc medical contributor. doctor, i'm glad you're right there. i can look at you. you're a person. >> it's so weird, right? human interaction. >> it's the latest thing. all the rage. since you're a human here and i can interact with you, i'd love to know your sense about this tension between social justice and social distancing. politico reported on this letter that more than a thousand health workers signed saying the protests are worth the risk of a spike in covid-19. how do you see it? >> i assure you it's good to be with you in person. i have mixed feelings about this. on one hand, we in the medical profession, we believe that racism is a public health crisis and the two issues, the protests and coronavirus, they're not really mutually exclusive

phenome phenomena. we've been saying that for months. it's important to keep that physical distance and yet, unfortunately, because of the recent events people have this urge to protest. i'm all for activism. the recommendations, though are still -- you can be an activist at home. that's what i firmly believe. protesting is important. for those who feel they need to be out there, please wear a mask. try to keep that physical distance as best as you can. try not to shout. that will spread the droplets further. i feel very strongly. this is an important issue. it's also a health issue and social justice issue. >> we saw pictures of you protesting. mayor bill de blasio is encouraging them to get tested. here's what he had to say. >> we need to remind people, it's free, it's easy and fast and coming to you. if you have been at one of these protests, i want to strongly

urge you to get tested. it has been a real concern that people gathered in close proximity. >> doctor, one of the other concerns, i think, is that people might get this false sense of security about immunity. this idea of herd immunity. we don't yet know whether or not being exposed to coronavirus once confers immunity on you. it could be like the flu where every season it's different. >> you're right, joshua. as i said before, this is a novel virus. we really just discovered this in november of last year. there's so much more we need to learn. one of the pieces of data -- the jury is still out on, whether getting an infection confers immunity. we don't know if that's the case. doubly important if you're around other people, congregating as the protesters are to try to process preventive health measures and like the

mayor said, we'll recommend self-quarantining after you are in a protest situation and then, yes, get tested. my concern is that a lot of the -- i'm inspired by seeing so many young people. but the data shows it's not the young people actually going to get severely sick and die. they'll get infected and my concern is they're going to expose older relatives, relatives, neighbors, they're going to get severely sick and die. >> before we go, briefly, where do we go from here? what could be a public health crisis and public safety crisis, what do you think are the next steps from here, very briefly? >> i think we have to hold everyone accountable, restore the voting rights act. hold police accountable and talk about the fact that as a 14-year-old, i had my first interaction with police where they put a gun in my face. that's not the life that americans should live in this country. >> michael starr happen kins, doctor, jamel ross, thank you

for being with us. jamel hill, please stick around. there's more we want to talk about, about the protests that aren't slowing down. we're following images across the country. you're looking at los angeles right now. we're keeping an eye on the protests which remained quite peaceful this evening. also, the nfl is coming out in support of these protests. but do you remember what the league used to say about taking a knee? what changed? that's next. these folks don't have time to go to the post office

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no arrest, and peaceful protests, that according to the nbc staying in washington. one of the street that is leads to lafayette square at the north edge of the white house, where it has been another night of protests over the death of george r floyd. it has been peaceful, and the mood shifted, from outright anger and outrage to a sense of planning to what we do next. the optics have changed we will keep an eye on it. >> nfl stars, sundaying a message to the league and the country that black lives matter. this isn't by the nfl, a social media employee reached out to thomas o about putting that t

together. goodle released this. >> we admit we were wrong for not listening to nfl players early, encourage all of those to speak out to peacefully protest. we believe that black lives matter. >>li we have seen to have come long way since colin kapernick took a knee. >> this is the same league that black balled colin kapernick from playing professional yi football. for him to come out, and apologize, i can only give him credit for something he was dragged to do. nevertheless, it is some kind of

step. despite what he said, the fact remain, the person who deserves the apology is colin kapernick. the person who should be in the league is colin kapernick. >> the league has struggled with advocacy. drew brees, apologyized in the past and recently, that he solidly opposes disrespecting the american flag. part of the it is the league protecting the bottom agline. iot don't think he would have me this statement if he thought that team owners would be upset by it>> it is tough to say. the nfl teams run as 32

countries. he has been soofter than some of the owners. realized the relationship, the political affil yags they v many have been trump supporters. i still see they are as dug in as they were before. frankly, they don't want to answer the question why colin kapernick is in the national football league. >> what is your sense of where

sports may o be going where dealing with the issues? >> i think you will see a lot of athlys, who feel empowered in this moment. they know while public support for the moment seems to be engaged in the fight against racism. you will hear a lot more of those stories. sports has been living under a myth of merrittocracy, they talk about the best man or woman always winning, people have a falsousy that -- everyone is taking a hard core look at inequality, you will see athletes voice some of the trauma they have been dealing ve with, on teams, professional or collegiate athlete. this is a real awakening for

sports.ng we tend to for get, there has been a lot of racial incidents in sports this is the time i thinkis you will see a certain reckoning in sports. >> jamil hill, maybe a bit unborthed. >> i will send you one. >> coming up. more on the pandemic, and the coronavirus. i am joshua johnson. stay sharp and stay tuned. the news continues after the break on msnbc. snbc

>> first up, on msnbc, vowing to be heard, from new york, to washington, d.c., to phoenix. >> cities seeing some of the biggest protests since the killing of george floyd. >> this tragic has actually touched so many hearts and made people havehe conversations the have been avoiding for years. >> i expect that folks will continue to be out in the streets until we get high reform. >> it is high time black people are able to live equallia